JONATHAN M.:
>The non-Duck-non-Mouse stories in the issue: Bucky Bug in "Juggerpede"=
and
>Scamp in "Choosing a Leader." My opinions these genres don't need to b=
e
>reiterated. After all, have there been ANY memorable comics stories wi=
th
>these characters?=20
Well, maybe because I read quite a few stories with them (or at least
Scamp) in the eighties from when I was 4-10 or so, I must say I've grow=
n
quite fond of his little adventures...
I also like the rhyming in the Bucky Bug stories, as it brings a bit of
interesting variety to the comic.
MATT:
>Yes, TV and Video games are competition, but kids still like
>to read. IF the stuff is accessible. As far as the Disney stuff goes
though, I think kids in the
>US tend to mature faster than maybe some other kids from different pla=
ces
do, and grow very quickly
>into "cooler" things. I dont know off hand how it is in places where
Egmont reigns, but in the US I
>think you would be hard pressed to find kids older than 10 who would b=
e
into Donald Duck (or would
>admit to it). Not because the stories are bad, but simply that comics
have always had a certain
>"nerd" factor to them.
>
Well in that case, isn't it more a question of a lot of US teenagers
striving more towards conformity, than them being more mature? If you'r=
e
mature, you shouldn't be hampered from reading your comics (as an examp=
le)
by a perception that something is "nerdy".
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Tarjei Kidd Olsen
Disney comics Digest V98 #229
Message 181 -
1998-09-18 at 00:28:42
Stefan Diös
Disney comics Digest V98 #228
Message 182 -
1998-09-18 at 13:43:13
BROR (Steamboat W.):
>> Well.. Anders Berglund or "the Uncle of Swedish Donaldism".
>> Once popped up in a Goofy-story. Goofy had apparently authored
>> a book that was so booring that everyone fell asleep when he read
>> it out loud. The title (in swedish) was "The very common Berglund".
>> ("Den alldeles vanlige Berglund").
No, no, no, no. My dear Steambror, you got it all wrong. Obviously this must
be sorted out immediately.
Anders Berglund is not the Uncle of Swedish Donaldism. That's Goran Ribe,
the congenial translator of Jon Gisle's famous "Donaldismen" into Swedish
("Ankismen"), where he also coined the word "ankism". Anders Berglund is...
well, some old guy.
Anders Berglund came along in the late 70's when we had just started out all
this Swedish Donaldism/ankism/NAFS(k) business, inspired by Ribe's
translation of Gisle's book. Already at that time, he was very old. The rest
of us were like 17 years old. I'm sure Berglund was almost 20 or more. As
you all understand, it was hard for us to imagine anybody that old. He
wasn't even in school... he attended some kind of university or something. Wow.
There is no doubt that Mr. Berglund can be credited with much of NAFS(k)'s
unfathomable success, especially early on, when the club established itself
as THE place to be for every Swedish duck fan. We already had the fun part
of Donaldism down pat. Berglund helped us develop the more serious part. All
together, we were able to maintain a mixture of the two that, hopefully,
would please most of the very diversified cadre of members during the years
to come.
But here comes the weird part. While all this was happening, Berglund seemed
to live some kind of secret life on the side, as a normal person. The rest
of us were mostly some motley crew of bums, loafers, and idle dandies...
much like your basic Duckburgians. But Berglund continued his studies. He
graduated. He got a job. He got an apartment. He got married. He got kids.
Real weird. None of us never really understood what he studied, or what he
actually did at work; and I guess most of his colleagues had very vague
ideas of how he spent his spare time.
And on top of that, he always had very plain... uh, let me say
uncharacteristic looks. Whenever humorous cartoons were made of famous
Donaldists over the years, not even the most talented artists could portray
Berglund because he didn't look like anything. No wonder he achieved a
reputation of being a normal, common, usual guy.
That's why Goofy's book about Anders Berglund in the late 80's failed so
miserably in the first place. It was almost as boring as this posting.
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Well, I just wanted to wake you all up, so you can continue with the rest of
this Digest. Just let me point out that even in his high age, and behind his
normal life, Anders Berglund is still an indispensable force at NAFS(k)'s
office in Stockholm, and a genuinely good guy galore. I always contact him
when I need information of things that happened really long ago.
Maybe I also should add that to the best of my knowledge, List Member Martin
Berglund, although no doubt a remarkable person by his own right, is no
relation to The Usual Common Berglund. It is a very usual and common name.
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #230
******************************************
>> Well.. Anders Berglund or "the Uncle of Swedish Donaldism".
>> Once popped up in a Goofy-story. Goofy had apparently authored
>> a book that was so booring that everyone fell asleep when he read
>> it out loud. The title (in swedish) was "The very common Berglund".
>> ("Den alldeles vanlige Berglund").
No, no, no, no. My dear Steambror, you got it all wrong. Obviously this must
be sorted out immediately.
Anders Berglund is not the Uncle of Swedish Donaldism. That's Goran Ribe,
the congenial translator of Jon Gisle's famous "Donaldismen" into Swedish
("Ankismen"), where he also coined the word "ankism". Anders Berglund is...
well, some old guy.
Anders Berglund came along in the late 70's when we had just started out all
this Swedish Donaldism/ankism/NAFS(k) business, inspired by Ribe's
translation of Gisle's book. Already at that time, he was very old. The rest
of us were like 17 years old. I'm sure Berglund was almost 20 or more. As
you all understand, it was hard for us to imagine anybody that old. He
wasn't even in school... he attended some kind of university or something. Wow.
There is no doubt that Mr. Berglund can be credited with much of NAFS(k)'s
unfathomable success, especially early on, when the club established itself
as THE place to be for every Swedish duck fan. We already had the fun part
of Donaldism down pat. Berglund helped us develop the more serious part. All
together, we were able to maintain a mixture of the two that, hopefully,
would please most of the very diversified cadre of members during the years
to come.
But here comes the weird part. While all this was happening, Berglund seemed
to live some kind of secret life on the side, as a normal person. The rest
of us were mostly some motley crew of bums, loafers, and idle dandies...
much like your basic Duckburgians. But Berglund continued his studies. He
graduated. He got a job. He got an apartment. He got married. He got kids.
Real weird. None of us never really understood what he studied, or what he
actually did at work; and I guess most of his colleagues had very vague
ideas of how he spent his spare time.
And on top of that, he always had very plain... uh, let me say
uncharacteristic looks. Whenever humorous cartoons were made of famous
Donaldists over the years, not even the most talented artists could portray
Berglund because he didn't look like anything. No wonder he achieved a
reputation of being a normal, common, usual guy.
That's why Goofy's book about Anders Berglund in the late 80's failed so
miserably in the first place. It was almost as boring as this posting.
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Well, I just wanted to wake you all up, so you can continue with the rest of
this Digest. Just let me point out that even in his high age, and behind his
normal life, Anders Berglund is still an indispensable force at NAFS(k)'s
office in Stockholm, and a genuinely good guy galore. I always contact him
when I need information of things that happened really long ago.
Maybe I also should add that to the best of my knowledge, List Member Martin
Berglund, although no doubt a remarkable person by his own right, is no
relation to The Usual Common Berglund. It is a very usual and common name.
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #230
******************************************
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Disney comics Digest V98 #230
Message 183 -
1998-09-18 at 15:15:37
JONATHAN/RICH:
>> After all, have there been ANY memorable comics stories with
>> these characters? [Scamp, Bucky Bug]
>
>For Bucky (or "Buckey" as he was known before) I'd say that his
>introductory tale, accompanied by a naming contest, was pretty
>interesting ("Silly Symphonies" newspaper serial called "Buckey
>Bug" [Jan. 10, 1932], which was reprinted in a recent issue of
>WDC). And another memorable issue was WDC&S #28 when Buckey &
>June married, but that tale hasn't been reprinted for decades.
The WDC&S 28 story was also from the newspaper strip. Bucky was
actually the star of the Silly Symphony Sunday strip for more than two
years, so a fair number of separate continuities took place.
IMHO, the best one by far is "War With The Flies," which was
also reprinted in early WDC&S, but is also in the 1980 Abbeville Press
ANIMATED FEATURES AND SILLY SYMPHONIES hardback. It's unmissable, that's
how good it is. Incredible detail, great characterization, the whole
works.
Regarding Bucky's name, it's only given as "Buckey" in a handful
of strips from early 1932. It was decisively Bucky less than two months
after he was first named. It's only some early WDC&S that try to
"rectify" the situation by relettering it to "Bucky" in perpetuity - but
they, too, decided to stop that after a while. What a confusing mess.
Anyway, the name started as Bucky, and after some confusion, stayed that
way.
As for Scamp, I second the motion that he's a good character
who's never really been in a truly memorable story. I hope someone
proves me wrong, though. The one in this month's WDC&S is okay.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
>> After all, have there been ANY memorable comics stories with
>> these characters? [Scamp, Bucky Bug]
>
>For Bucky (or "Buckey" as he was known before) I'd say that his
>introductory tale, accompanied by a naming contest, was pretty
>interesting ("Silly Symphonies" newspaper serial called "Buckey
>Bug" [Jan. 10, 1932], which was reprinted in a recent issue of
>WDC). And another memorable issue was WDC&S #28 when Buckey &
>June married, but that tale hasn't been reprinted for decades.
The WDC&S 28 story was also from the newspaper strip. Bucky was
actually the star of the Silly Symphony Sunday strip for more than two
years, so a fair number of separate continuities took place.
IMHO, the best one by far is "War With The Flies," which was
also reprinted in early WDC&S, but is also in the 1980 Abbeville Press
ANIMATED FEATURES AND SILLY SYMPHONIES hardback. It's unmissable, that's
how good it is. Incredible detail, great characterization, the whole
works.
Regarding Bucky's name, it's only given as "Buckey" in a handful
of strips from early 1932. It was decisively Bucky less than two months
after he was first named. It's only some early WDC&S that try to
"rectify" the situation by relettering it to "Bucky" in perpetuity - but
they, too, decided to stop that after a while. What a confusing mess.
Anyway, the name started as Bucky, and after some confusion, stayed that
way.
As for Scamp, I second the motion that he's a good character
who's never really been in a truly memorable story. I hope someone
proves me wrong, though. The one in this month's WDC&S is okay.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Teme (www.Conk.Com/world/teme)
Comments by Rosa
Message 184 -
1998-09-18 at 17:16:04
When I asked about comments made by Rosa to certain finnish
Rosa-collection I was hoping to find out whether they had been published
anywhere. As the originals aren't available I wonder if the comments
have appeared anywhere (in english)? If not, I could do translations
from the finnish versions if someone is interested. Please let me know.
Teme
Rosa-collection I was hoping to find out whether they had been published
anywhere. As the originals aren't available I wonder if the comments
have appeared anywhere (in english)? If not, I could do translations
from the finnish versions if someone is interested. Please let me know.
Teme
GaryB98294
Disney comics Digest V98 #230
Message 185 -
1998-09-18 at 17:47:03
There's never been any doubt in my mind that Al Hubbard's "Scamp" stories
feature some of the very best Disney artwork. He show an expression-filled
Scamp and often overcame poor scripts with his delightful art.
I want to say that Disney did a Scamp animated short or two, but I may be
whistling in the dark here. I know the comic book had a long, decent run.
feature some of the very best Disney artwork. He show an expression-filled
Scamp and often overcame poor scripts with his delightful art.
I want to say that Disney did a Scamp animated short or two, but I may be
whistling in the dark here. I know the comic book had a long, decent run.
Anders Chr. Sivebaek
JARGON!
Message 186 -
1998-09-18 at 18:50:42
Hello
DANIEL
D 97052, thank you so much for informing me about that. but it's page 5,
panel 2! And now i know why somebody (sorry, don't remember the name)
mentioned,
that Taliaferro and Osborne was changed to the names of some translators.
That was in DK!!!! Well, The greyhaired woodchuck is named Rindom, which is
the name of the most famous tranlator in DK (corresponds to Dr. Fuchs in
Germany!) Her name is Sonja Rindom, a well-known danish educator as they
wrote on the
back of the very-first issue in 1949.
But I don't think they should have done it... I don't know who Daa is, but
maybe some dane will inform. I just turned so harmfull... No offence to
Egmont
I knew that she's HDL great grandma... I just did not remember ;-)?
Anders Christian
DANIEL
D 97052, thank you so much for informing me about that. but it's page 5,
panel 2! And now i know why somebody (sorry, don't remember the name)
mentioned,
that Taliaferro and Osborne was changed to the names of some translators.
That was in DK!!!! Well, The greyhaired woodchuck is named Rindom, which is
the name of the most famous tranlator in DK (corresponds to Dr. Fuchs in
Germany!) Her name is Sonja Rindom, a well-known danish educator as they
wrote on the
back of the very-first issue in 1949.
But I don't think they should have done it... I don't know who Daa is, but
maybe some dane will inform. I just turned so harmfull... No offence to
Egmont
I knew that she's HDL great grandma... I just did not remember ;-)?
Anders Christian
SRoweCanoe
Disney comics Digest V98 #230
Message 187 -
1998-09-19 at 00:45:35
In a message dated 9/18/98 5:49:19 AM EST, dcomics-
(Email removed) writes:
> Also, the
> artwork for the early Scamp strips (by Al Hubbard, right?) is
> actually some of the best comic art I've seen, especially from
> that time period. The later stuff (by Paul Murry, right?),
> during the Gold Key era, wasn't of the same quality (IMHO). The
> scripts during the Gold Key era lacked a lot of the playful
> quality of the ones produced earlier. I didn't appreciate the
> irony of Scamp becoming a superhero a la Super Goof. Those
> types of tales ruined Scamp for me.
Yes, the early Scamps were drawn by AlHubbard. I no longer recall (and my
files are in my storage locker) who drew the later ones; but it was NOT Paul
Murry.
I think Kay Wright, maybe Joe Messerli??, and some other folks ...
Steven Rowe (a big fan of the Hubbard)
(Email removed) writes:
> Also, the
> artwork for the early Scamp strips (by Al Hubbard, right?) is
> actually some of the best comic art I've seen, especially from
> that time period. The later stuff (by Paul Murry, right?),
> during the Gold Key era, wasn't of the same quality (IMHO). The
> scripts during the Gold Key era lacked a lot of the playful
> quality of the ones produced earlier. I didn't appreciate the
> irony of Scamp becoming a superhero a la Super Goof. Those
> types of tales ruined Scamp for me.
Yes, the early Scamps were drawn by AlHubbard. I no longer recall (and my
files are in my storage locker) who drew the later ones; but it was NOT Paul
Murry.
I think Kay Wright, maybe Joe Messerli??, and some other folks ...
Steven Rowe (a big fan of the Hubbard)
Berglund
Disney comics Digest V98 #230
Message 188 -
1998-09-19 at 02:07:27
Haven't posted much lately...but that's because I have been celebrating
getting out of having to do military service.(horray, horray, horray, now I
can read comics all day long...not)
A couple of things...
STEFAN:
(about Service's poem)
>>> I went to the library and had them dig out everything they had on
Service from
their dustiest vaults. I found out that some of his poems did exist in
Swedish translation, but apparently not this one. So I made my own, and
enjoyed it, too.
Oh that was your personal translation? I should have guessed.
You should be very proud of it, it's excellent.
(about Anders "common" Berglund)
>Maybe I also should add that to the best of my knowledge, List Member
Martin
>Berglund, although no doubt a remarkable person by his own right, is no
>relation to The Usual Common Berglund. It is a very usual and common name.
Oh, I do hope that I one day might be as remarkable as Mr. Berglund (judging
from what you said he did "back then". But I'm not really sure what he *did*
do... oh well. :-P)
I'm sure there's more I want to comment on, but I'm about to fall asleep.
/Martin, the perhaps even more common Berglund, or perhaps not, or...never
mind
Malmo, Sweden
getting out of having to do military service.(horray, horray, horray, now I
can read comics all day long...not)
A couple of things...
STEFAN:
(about Service's poem)
>>> I went to the library and had them dig out everything they had on
Service from
their dustiest vaults. I found out that some of his poems did exist in
Swedish translation, but apparently not this one. So I made my own, and
enjoyed it, too.
Oh that was your personal translation? I should have guessed.
You should be very proud of it, it's excellent.
(about Anders "common" Berglund)
>Maybe I also should add that to the best of my knowledge, List Member
Martin
>Berglund, although no doubt a remarkable person by his own right, is no
>relation to The Usual Common Berglund. It is a very usual and common name.
Oh, I do hope that I one day might be as remarkable as Mr. Berglund (judging
from what you said he did "back then". But I'm not really sure what he *did*
do... oh well. :-P)
I'm sure there's more I want to comment on, but I'm about to fall asleep.
/Martin, the perhaps even more common Berglund, or perhaps not, or...never
mind
Malmo, Sweden
Luca Boschi
Who will be at Lucca Comics?
Message 189 -
1998-09-19 at 03:36:31
Hi, Claudia, and ev'rybody!
> Well, I was not yet sure whether I will be at Lucca Comics this year. I
> have been to all of the editions since Autumn 1990
It's interesting that in recent times many people who didn't came to
Lucca anymore are planning to come back. You're not alon, and I'm very
happy of this. You'll find things very "chaged" from eight years ago.
It' five times bigger (or so)!
> And I'll try to arrange that "brief visit" for Saturday Oct.31 in the afternoon.
Well, you'll spare the tickets'money, coming to the DML meeting, and
so, you can buy some comics with it!
Keep an eye on this list and you'll know what to do to meet uour "list
friends".
Bye!
Luca
> Well, I was not yet sure whether I will be at Lucca Comics this year. I
> have been to all of the editions since Autumn 1990
It's interesting that in recent times many people who didn't came to
Lucca anymore are planning to come back. You're not alon, and I'm very
happy of this. You'll find things very "chaged" from eight years ago.
It' five times bigger (or so)!
> And I'll try to arrange that "brief visit" for Saturday Oct.31 in the afternoon.
Well, you'll spare the tickets'money, coming to the DML meeting, and
so, you can buy some comics with it!
Keep an eye on this list and you'll know what to do to meet uour "list
friends".
Bye!
Luca
Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 190 -
1998-09-19 at 04:01:31
Sorry about having disappeared from the List for weeks on
end -- not that I expect anybody was waiting with baited
breath for communication from me (or noticed much that I
was gone, for that matter), but there was a fairly
important topic of discussion open when things got hectic
at this end, and I regret having been unable to see it to
its conclusion. Namely --
DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN --
To bring everyone back into focus on this, we were
discussing your Web page, in which, even after Barks's
repudiation of the sleazeballs who managed his business
affairs (and, to a much greater-than-authorized extent,
his personal life), continues to not only paint them in
a favorable light (in fact, it reads like a press release
they issued themselves), but to refer to their activities
in the present tense, as if they were still his managers.
>> "The information is meant as factual as possible and
>> *certainly not* intented as some kind of promotion.
>> Trying to get a story and some information out of that
>> article was a *grind*, since it half of it seemed to
>> be cramped and overdosed with syruppy superlative
>> praisings directed to that "over-kind loveable fine
>> prestine pair of human beings" or whatever similar
>> was said in the original."
Well, that confirms that it was originally
published as an unedited press release -- not that
confirmation was necessary, of course; as many years as
I've worked in the newspaper trade, I think I know a
press release when I see one. But you know, even if
you've toned down the superlatives, you STILL haven't
published an objective account, because all the
information in it came from one source -- the subjects
of the article themselves.
>> "if you can make a better and/or more up-to-date
>> article on Carl Barks recent and current life, you're
>> welcome. The only 'rule' I have on that is that it's
>> intended as factual as possible (opinion-pages may
>> also follow in the future, but will now mean too much
>> work) and that the sources are fully mentioned."
No, thank you; my own work keeps me very busy.
Please note, tho, that what you have NOW is not "as
factual as possible". In fact, it doesn't really qualify
even as an opinion piece, because when people --
particularly people of such poor repute as these -- give
"information" about themselves, they are not necessarily
giving either facts OR their true opinions. They are only
giving you what they WANT you to think and publish.
Obviously, if you're going to cover Barks's life
in any credible way, a fully-balanced account of that
five-year "Dark Age" will eventually be needed. Any
number of people here on this List could help you with
that. Personally, I would humbly ask Don Rosa if he
could very kindly spare the time to give his point of
view -- since you're starting with their own
unadulterated viewpoint, it would be best, for the
sake of balance, to juxtapose it with one that stands
truly in opposition to it.
Alternatively, you could ask Barks himself, or
one of the people close to him who maintain something
of a presence here.
In any event, while a BALANCED and FACTUAL
presentation (as opposed to what journalists call a
"puff piece", which is what you have now) should be your
goal, you should also consider the short term. You do
yourself no service by continuing to present the
Grandey/Morby point of view as if it were fact. All you
are accomplishing is to undermine the credibility of the
overall work itself.
Quite frankly, if I were you, I would simply
DELETE that page until I could do a better job of it.
>> "I would be very grateful if you or someone else could
>> advice me on this. Maybe these interviews could be
>> forwarded to Carl Barks for his judgement on them? I'd
>> of course rather have no English interviews on the
>> Guidebook pages at all, than ones which are not real."
That seems like a prudent course of action. We're
very fortunate in having Barks still alive and -- also
very important -- open once again to contact from those
of us who are interested in his work. You should use
every resource you possibly can to make your Web site on
his life and work as complete and as accurate as you can.
Writing the above was as much work as I really want to
put into catching up right now, so I think I'll just
send it off and do something else for awhile. I'll get
to the other Great Issues Of The Day later.
Quack, Don
end -- not that I expect anybody was waiting with baited
breath for communication from me (or noticed much that I
was gone, for that matter), but there was a fairly
important topic of discussion open when things got hectic
at this end, and I regret having been unable to see it to
its conclusion. Namely --
DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN --
To bring everyone back into focus on this, we were
discussing your Web page, in which, even after Barks's
repudiation of the sleazeballs who managed his business
affairs (and, to a much greater-than-authorized extent,
his personal life), continues to not only paint them in
a favorable light (in fact, it reads like a press release
they issued themselves), but to refer to their activities
in the present tense, as if they were still his managers.
>> "The information is meant as factual as possible and
>> *certainly not* intented as some kind of promotion.
>> Trying to get a story and some information out of that
>> article was a *grind*, since it half of it seemed to
>> be cramped and overdosed with syruppy superlative
>> praisings directed to that "over-kind loveable fine
>> prestine pair of human beings" or whatever similar
>> was said in the original."
Well, that confirms that it was originally
published as an unedited press release -- not that
confirmation was necessary, of course; as many years as
I've worked in the newspaper trade, I think I know a
press release when I see one. But you know, even if
you've toned down the superlatives, you STILL haven't
published an objective account, because all the
information in it came from one source -- the subjects
of the article themselves.
>> "if you can make a better and/or more up-to-date
>> article on Carl Barks recent and current life, you're
>> welcome. The only 'rule' I have on that is that it's
>> intended as factual as possible (opinion-pages may
>> also follow in the future, but will now mean too much
>> work) and that the sources are fully mentioned."
No, thank you; my own work keeps me very busy.
Please note, tho, that what you have NOW is not "as
factual as possible". In fact, it doesn't really qualify
even as an opinion piece, because when people --
particularly people of such poor repute as these -- give
"information" about themselves, they are not necessarily
giving either facts OR their true opinions. They are only
giving you what they WANT you to think and publish.
Obviously, if you're going to cover Barks's life
in any credible way, a fully-balanced account of that
five-year "Dark Age" will eventually be needed. Any
number of people here on this List could help you with
that. Personally, I would humbly ask Don Rosa if he
could very kindly spare the time to give his point of
view -- since you're starting with their own
unadulterated viewpoint, it would be best, for the
sake of balance, to juxtapose it with one that stands
truly in opposition to it.
Alternatively, you could ask Barks himself, or
one of the people close to him who maintain something
of a presence here.
In any event, while a BALANCED and FACTUAL
presentation (as opposed to what journalists call a
"puff piece", which is what you have now) should be your
goal, you should also consider the short term. You do
yourself no service by continuing to present the
Grandey/Morby point of view as if it were fact. All you
are accomplishing is to undermine the credibility of the
overall work itself.
Quite frankly, if I were you, I would simply
DELETE that page until I could do a better job of it.
>> "I would be very grateful if you or someone else could
>> advice me on this. Maybe these interviews could be
>> forwarded to Carl Barks for his judgement on them? I'd
>> of course rather have no English interviews on the
>> Guidebook pages at all, than ones which are not real."
That seems like a prudent course of action. We're
very fortunate in having Barks still alive and -- also
very important -- open once again to contact from those
of us who are interested in his work. You should use
every resource you possibly can to make your Web site on
his life and work as complete and as accurate as you can.
Writing the above was as much work as I really want to
put into catching up right now, so I think I'll just
send it off and do something else for awhile. I'll get
to the other Great Issues Of The Day later.
Quack, Don
Fabio Marinoni
Old book disney
Message 191 -
1998-09-19 at 12:27:45
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COURT" whit POP-UP illustrations printed in 1933 editor Blue Ribbon =
Books inc.
N.Y. in good condition.
You know the value or if is a rarity book???
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ciao i have an old book Disney titled "MICKEY MOUSE IN KING'S ARTHUR =
COURT" whit POP-UP illustrations printed in 1933 editor Blue Ribbon =
Books inc.
N.Y. in good condition.
You know the value or if is a rarity book???
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Joakim Gunnarsson
Galerie Laqua
Message 192 -
1998-09-19 at 13:46:42
Mikael:
> /Joakim Gunnarsson:
> >And also worth mentioning is the new issue of "Galerie Laqua" wich >has
> a watercolor by Pat Block printed in color on its back cover!
> > Issue 3/98 also have a nice mix of Kelly, Jippes, Barks, Van Horn >and
> Rosa original art for sale.
>
> What exactly is "Galerie Laqua"?
Galerie Laqua is a catalouge with original comicbook art
+ related things for sale.
It's printed about 3 to 4 times a year and contains Disney art in every
issue. Both rare and previously unseen stuff by people like Barks and
Schroeder, and the usual covers and comics pages by pepole like Jippes and
Gatto.
The address is:
Galerie Laqua
Shefferweg 3
D - 12249 Berlin
Germany
Fax.: +49-30-76 70 30 67
/Joakim Gunnarsson,
Malmo, Sweden.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #231
******************************************
> /Joakim Gunnarsson:
> >And also worth mentioning is the new issue of "Galerie Laqua" wich >has
> a watercolor by Pat Block printed in color on its back cover!
> > Issue 3/98 also have a nice mix of Kelly, Jippes, Barks, Van Horn >and
> Rosa original art for sale.
>
> What exactly is "Galerie Laqua"?
Galerie Laqua is a catalouge with original comicbook art
+ related things for sale.
It's printed about 3 to 4 times a year and contains Disney art in every
issue. Both rare and previously unseen stuff by people like Barks and
Schroeder, and the usual covers and comics pages by pepole like Jippes and
Gatto.
The address is:
Galerie Laqua
Shefferweg 3
D - 12249 Berlin
Germany
Fax.: +49-30-76 70 30 67
/Joakim Gunnarsson,
Malmo, Sweden.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #231
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Don Rosa
Digest #231
Message 193 -
1998-09-19 at 20:47:50
From Donald Markstein:
>>>>>>Obviously, if you're going to cover Barks's life
in any credible way, a fully-balanced account of that
five-year "Dark Age" will eventually be needed. Any
number of people here on this List could help you with
that. Personally, I would humbly ask Don Rosa if he
could very kindly spare the time to give his point of
view --
There's no reason for me to. These people do not matter anymore. They are of
no significance whatsoever. And I have actually put-off the members of the
press for the past few years who wanted to do an expose` of the "Dark Age".
After the treachery on this very ML... the press-release propaganda... the
Infamous Fax... after the series of letters to all the top Disney executives
(including Eisner & R.Disney) which were all mailed in the same week from
the same area and said the same things about how my comic stories promoted
drunkeness, violence, prostitution, disrespect for the law, etc., etc....
after the embarrassing corruption of the CBG "Fan Awards"... after all the
other stuff that was going on (and I might only know the tip of the dirty
iceberg, me being isolated here in the Kentucky booneys)(Daniel booneys,
that is), at least one magazine editor wanted me to help him do a story
about it all, but I'd tell him to do such a thing could only harm Barks'
image and memory in his later years, and that these childish schemes were so
clumsy and foolish and obvious that all we had to do was wait until they
soon exposed themselves to all they deserved (which has, of course,
happened). And the editor said to me "Well, I just hope you're keeping a
*diary*! This is like the plot of a bad TV-movie-of-the-week."
Now the grapevine sez that a major magazine is preparing an article all
about the lawsuits and the *most interesting* revelations of the
depositions... such things that astounded even *me*. When that appears in
print, someone can transcribe it onto this ML.
>>>>>>Obviously, if you're going to cover Barks's life
in any credible way, a fully-balanced account of that
five-year "Dark Age" will eventually be needed. Any
number of people here on this List could help you with
that. Personally, I would humbly ask Don Rosa if he
could very kindly spare the time to give his point of
view --
There's no reason for me to. These people do not matter anymore. They are of
no significance whatsoever. And I have actually put-off the members of the
press for the past few years who wanted to do an expose` of the "Dark Age".
After the treachery on this very ML... the press-release propaganda... the
Infamous Fax... after the series of letters to all the top Disney executives
(including Eisner & R.Disney) which were all mailed in the same week from
the same area and said the same things about how my comic stories promoted
drunkeness, violence, prostitution, disrespect for the law, etc., etc....
after the embarrassing corruption of the CBG "Fan Awards"... after all the
other stuff that was going on (and I might only know the tip of the dirty
iceberg, me being isolated here in the Kentucky booneys)(Daniel booneys,
that is), at least one magazine editor wanted me to help him do a story
about it all, but I'd tell him to do such a thing could only harm Barks'
image and memory in his later years, and that these childish schemes were so
clumsy and foolish and obvious that all we had to do was wait until they
soon exposed themselves to all they deserved (which has, of course,
happened). And the editor said to me "Well, I just hope you're keeping a
*diary*! This is like the plot of a bad TV-movie-of-the-week."
Now the grapevine sez that a major magazine is preparing an article all
about the lawsuits and the *most interesting* revelations of the
depositions... such things that astounded even *me*. When that appears in
print, someone can transcribe it onto this ML.
Dennis Tzavaras
First mail, intro and general rambling! :)
Message 194 -
1998-09-19 at 20:51:31
Hello everyone!
Well, after lurking for a few weeks and having read most 1998 digests
I think it's time to delurk and take active part in the list. (Yes,
I know it wasn't necessary to read all those digests but I did it
in order to familiarize myself w/ the people and the "tone" of the
list and I'm happy to say you are one of the, if not THE, most friendly
and intelligent group on the Internet!
Hmm I guess an introduc(k)tion is necessary. My name is Dionysios(Dennis)
Tzavaras and I live in a suburb of Athens, Greece. I'm 37 years old.
I've been reading Disney comics practically all my life (In Greek,
English, Italian and French), but to tell the truth I had never taken
them very seriously. Oh sure, I enjoyed them immensely but my *real*
love were other comics which I collected fervently!! No, I never
was a speculator (horrible word!!! Now, that's a word that should
be censored IMHO!) but about 75% of the comics I bought were super-hero/sci-fi.
To make a long story short a few months ago I decided to practically
stop reading them because a. they were getting more and more boring
storywise b. they were getting more and more expensive and c. I could
read them in 10 minutes tops w/out really enjoying them. It wasn't
an easy decision to stop buying comics I bought for 20 or 25 years. Still I did it!
What I was left with were comics I really enjoy like Jeff Smith's
Bone, Colleen Doran's A Distant Soil, some manga, the Legion Of Super-Heroes
(I've been reading that comic-book since 1966. It's the reason I
learnt English well and i'm not about to stop reading it), and.....Disney
Comics! Re-reading some stories by Don Rosa (Lo$), Carl Barks (most
of them) and many issues of Topolino I discovered that not only I
could read them for hours and hours, noticing the details, laughing
again and again at the gags, but they actually made me feel much
better no matter what my mood was before! (Which makes for some embarrassing
moments when I'm on a bus and suddenly try to keep from chuckling
because I remembered some story gag!). ;))
So I discovered this mailing list, and the DcD and all those wonderful
WWW sites you people have made, and finally got to understand what
those story codes meant. That did it! Disney comics didn't seem so
overwhelmingly numerous any more. I *could* find info on characters,
stories, and artists I liked, I *could* sort a couple thousand of
Disney comics out and I even could talk w/ others about them! It
was time to take them seriously!!!
So, umm what else can I say? Oh, about my fave artists, characters
etc. There are so many but, not surprisingly, my absolute faves are
Don Rosa, Carl Barks, and Romano Scarpa I was so amazed when I first
read Lo$. Here was a guy, Don Rosa, who not only knew the Duck Universe
but obviously loved what he did more than practically every other
comics artist I had ever seen and kept on doing it when other artists
would have left Disney for more profitable projects that'd pay better,
give more recognition and require less effort. I mean....Rob Liefeld?????
Barks is...well....Barks, and I grew up w/ Romano Scarpa stories.
Mr Scarpa ever created one of my fave characters Brigitta MacBridge
(Jenny Duck/Jenny MacBridge in Greek editions).
Donald is the character I've always identified with even when I was
a kid. Still, I have this fixation w/ fantasy/funny witches so my
real love is that most enchanting, wonderful, mysterious, alluring,
beauti(is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder)ful duck witch, that fattucchiera da Napoli.......
Magica de Spell!!! (whose Greek name is Matzika Nte Spel, not Mavika
Trik as is mistakenly mentioned in the character database)! Mr Rosa,
Mr Gerstein, pls, pls, pls more Magica stories!!!!
Well, I have some comments on a few previous digests but I'll leave
these for another mail. This one is already too big. Needless to
say I'm very happy to be a part of this list, a big HI to everybody
and you'll hear from me again. Very soon. :)
Dennis
"The Earth's surface is only 510 million square kilometers. Scrooge's
got to be hidden in one of them. No matter what, I'll find him!" Magica de Spell.
(re-tranlated from Greek to English).
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Well, after lurking for a few weeks and having read most 1998 digests
I think it's time to delurk and take active part in the list. (Yes,
I know it wasn't necessary to read all those digests but I did it
in order to familiarize myself w/ the people and the "tone" of the
list and I'm happy to say you are one of the, if not THE, most friendly
and intelligent group on the Internet!
Hmm I guess an introduc(k)tion is necessary. My name is Dionysios(Dennis)
Tzavaras and I live in a suburb of Athens, Greece. I'm 37 years old.
I've been reading Disney comics practically all my life (In Greek,
English, Italian and French), but to tell the truth I had never taken
them very seriously. Oh sure, I enjoyed them immensely but my *real*
love were other comics which I collected fervently!! No, I never
was a speculator (horrible word!!! Now, that's a word that should
be censored IMHO!) but about 75% of the comics I bought were super-hero/sci-fi.
To make a long story short a few months ago I decided to practically
stop reading them because a. they were getting more and more boring
storywise b. they were getting more and more expensive and c. I could
read them in 10 minutes tops w/out really enjoying them. It wasn't
an easy decision to stop buying comics I bought for 20 or 25 years. Still I did it!
What I was left with were comics I really enjoy like Jeff Smith's
Bone, Colleen Doran's A Distant Soil, some manga, the Legion Of Super-Heroes
(I've been reading that comic-book since 1966. It's the reason I
learnt English well and i'm not about to stop reading it), and.....Disney
Comics! Re-reading some stories by Don Rosa (Lo$), Carl Barks (most
of them) and many issues of Topolino I discovered that not only I
could read them for hours and hours, noticing the details, laughing
again and again at the gags, but they actually made me feel much
better no matter what my mood was before! (Which makes for some embarrassing
moments when I'm on a bus and suddenly try to keep from chuckling
because I remembered some story gag!). ;))
So I discovered this mailing list, and the DcD and all those wonderful
WWW sites you people have made, and finally got to understand what
those story codes meant. That did it! Disney comics didn't seem so
overwhelmingly numerous any more. I *could* find info on characters,
stories, and artists I liked, I *could* sort a couple thousand of
Disney comics out and I even could talk w/ others about them! It
was time to take them seriously!!!
So, umm what else can I say? Oh, about my fave artists, characters
etc. There are so many but, not surprisingly, my absolute faves are
Don Rosa, Carl Barks, and Romano Scarpa I was so amazed when I first
read Lo$. Here was a guy, Don Rosa, who not only knew the Duck Universe
but obviously loved what he did more than practically every other
comics artist I had ever seen and kept on doing it when other artists
would have left Disney for more profitable projects that'd pay better,
give more recognition and require less effort. I mean....Rob Liefeld?????
Barks is...well....Barks, and I grew up w/ Romano Scarpa stories.
Mr Scarpa ever created one of my fave characters Brigitta MacBridge
(Jenny Duck/Jenny MacBridge in Greek editions).
Donald is the character I've always identified with even when I was
a kid. Still, I have this fixation w/ fantasy/funny witches so my
real love is that most enchanting, wonderful, mysterious, alluring,
beauti(is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder)ful duck witch, that fattucchiera da Napoli.......
Magica de Spell!!! (whose Greek name is Matzika Nte Spel, not Mavika
Trik as is mistakenly mentioned in the character database)! Mr Rosa,
Mr Gerstein, pls, pls, pls more Magica stories!!!!
Well, I have some comments on a few previous digests but I'll leave
these for another mail. This one is already too big. Needless to
say I'm very happy to be a part of this list, a big HI to everybody
and you'll hear from me again. Very soon. :)
Dennis
"The Earth's surface is only 510 million square kilometers. Scrooge's
got to be hidden in one of them. No matter what, I'll find him!" Magica de Spell.
(re-tranlated from Greek to English).
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Dennis Tzavaras
First mail, intro and general rambling! :)
Message 195 -
1998-09-19 at 21:43:05
Sorry if this is the second time you get this mail. If it's not then.....
Hello everyone!
> Well, after lurking for a few weeks and having read most 1998 digests
I think it's time to delurk and take active part in the list. (Yes,
I know it wasn't necessary to read all those digests but I did it
in order to familiarize myself w/ the people and the "tone" of the
list and I'm happy to say you are one of the, if not THE, most friendly
and intelligent group on the Internet!
>
> Hmm I guess an introduc(k)tion is necessary. My name is Dionysios(Dennis)
Tzavaras and I live in a suburb of Athens, Greece. I'm 37 years old.
I've been reading Disney comics practically all my life (In Greek,
English, Italian and French), but to tell the truth I had never taken
them very seriously. Oh sure, I enjoyed them immensely but my *real*
love were other comics which I collected fervently!! No, I never
was a speculator (horrible word!!! Now, that's a word that should
be censored IMHO!) but about 75% of the comics I bought were super-hero/sci-fi.
To make a long story short a few months ago I decided to practically
stop reading them because a. they were getting more and more boring
storywise b. they were getting more and more expensive and c. I could
read them in 10 minutes tops w/out really enjoying them. It wasn't
an easy decision to stop buying comics I bought for 20 or 25 years. Still I did it!
>
> What I was left with were comics I really enjoy like Jeff Smith's
Bone, Colleen Doran's A Distant Soil, some manga, the Legion Of Super-Heroes
(I've been reading that comic-book since 1966. It's the reason I
learnt English well and i'm not about to stop reading it), and.....Disney
Comics! Re-reading some stories by Don Rosa (Lo$), Carl Barks (most
of them) and many issues of Topolino I discovered that not only I
could read them for hours and hours, noticing the details, laughing
again and again at the gags, but they actually made me feel much
better no matter what my mood was before! (Which makes for some embarrassing
moments when I'm on a bus and suddenly try to keep from chuckling
because I remembered some story gag!). ;))
>
> So I discovered this mailing list, and the DcD and all those wonderful
WWW sites you people have made, and finally got to understand what
those story codes meant. That did it! Disney comics didn't seem so
overwhelmingly numerous any more. I *could* find info on characters,
stories, and artists I liked, I *could* sort a couple thousand of
Disney comics out and I even could talk w/ others about them! It
was time to take them seriously!!!
>
> So, umm what else can I say? Oh, about my fave artists, characters
etc. There are so many but, not surprisingly, my absolute faves are
Don Rosa, Carl Barks, and Romano Scarpa I was so amazed when I first
read Lo$. Here was a guy, Don Rosa, who not only knew the Duck Universe
but obviously loved what he did more than practically every other
comics artist I had ever seen and kept on doing it when other artists
would have left Disney for more profitable projects that'd pay better,
give more recognition and require less effort. I mean....Rob Liefeld?????
> Barks is...well....Barks, and I grew up w/ Romano Scarpa stories.
Mr Scarpa ever created one of my fave characters Brigitta MacBridge
(Jenny Duck/Jenny MacBridge in Greek editions).
>
> Donald is the character I've always identified with even when I
was a kid. Still, I have this fixation w/ fantasy/funny witches so
my real love is that most enchanting, wonderful, mysterious, alluring,
beauti(is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder)ful duck witch, that fattucchiera da Napoli.......
> Magica de Spell!!! (whose Greek name is Matzika Nte Spel, not Mavika
Trik as is mistakenly mentioned in the character database)! Mr Rosa,
Mr Gerstein, pls, pls, pls more Magica stories!!!!
>
> Well, I have some comments on a few previous digests but I'll leave
these for another mail. This one is already too big. Needless to
say I'm very happy to be a part of this list, a big HI to everybody
and you'll hear from me again. Very soon. :)
>
> Dennis
>
>
> "The Earth's surface is only 510 million square kilometers. Scrooge's
got to be hidden in one of them. No matter what, I'll find him!" Magica de Spell.
>
> (re-tranlated from Greek to English).
>
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Hello everyone!
> Well, after lurking for a few weeks and having read most 1998 digests
I think it's time to delurk and take active part in the list. (Yes,
I know it wasn't necessary to read all those digests but I did it
in order to familiarize myself w/ the people and the "tone" of the
list and I'm happy to say you are one of the, if not THE, most friendly
and intelligent group on the Internet!
>
> Hmm I guess an introduc(k)tion is necessary. My name is Dionysios(Dennis)
Tzavaras and I live in a suburb of Athens, Greece. I'm 37 years old.
I've been reading Disney comics practically all my life (In Greek,
English, Italian and French), but to tell the truth I had never taken
them very seriously. Oh sure, I enjoyed them immensely but my *real*
love were other comics which I collected fervently!! No, I never
was a speculator (horrible word!!! Now, that's a word that should
be censored IMHO!) but about 75% of the comics I bought were super-hero/sci-fi.
To make a long story short a few months ago I decided to practically
stop reading them because a. they were getting more and more boring
storywise b. they were getting more and more expensive and c. I could
read them in 10 minutes tops w/out really enjoying them. It wasn't
an easy decision to stop buying comics I bought for 20 or 25 years. Still I did it!
>
> What I was left with were comics I really enjoy like Jeff Smith's
Bone, Colleen Doran's A Distant Soil, some manga, the Legion Of Super-Heroes
(I've been reading that comic-book since 1966. It's the reason I
learnt English well and i'm not about to stop reading it), and.....Disney
Comics! Re-reading some stories by Don Rosa (Lo$), Carl Barks (most
of them) and many issues of Topolino I discovered that not only I
could read them for hours and hours, noticing the details, laughing
again and again at the gags, but they actually made me feel much
better no matter what my mood was before! (Which makes for some embarrassing
moments when I'm on a bus and suddenly try to keep from chuckling
because I remembered some story gag!). ;))
>
> So I discovered this mailing list, and the DcD and all those wonderful
WWW sites you people have made, and finally got to understand what
those story codes meant. That did it! Disney comics didn't seem so
overwhelmingly numerous any more. I *could* find info on characters,
stories, and artists I liked, I *could* sort a couple thousand of
Disney comics out and I even could talk w/ others about them! It
was time to take them seriously!!!
>
> So, umm what else can I say? Oh, about my fave artists, characters
etc. There are so many but, not surprisingly, my absolute faves are
Don Rosa, Carl Barks, and Romano Scarpa I was so amazed when I first
read Lo$. Here was a guy, Don Rosa, who not only knew the Duck Universe
but obviously loved what he did more than practically every other
comics artist I had ever seen and kept on doing it when other artists
would have left Disney for more profitable projects that'd pay better,
give more recognition and require less effort. I mean....Rob Liefeld?????
> Barks is...well....Barks, and I grew up w/ Romano Scarpa stories.
Mr Scarpa ever created one of my fave characters Brigitta MacBridge
(Jenny Duck/Jenny MacBridge in Greek editions).
>
> Donald is the character I've always identified with even when I
was a kid. Still, I have this fixation w/ fantasy/funny witches so
my real love is that most enchanting, wonderful, mysterious, alluring,
beauti(is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder)ful duck witch, that fattucchiera da Napoli.......
> Magica de Spell!!! (whose Greek name is Matzika Nte Spel, not Mavika
Trik as is mistakenly mentioned in the character database)! Mr Rosa,
Mr Gerstein, pls, pls, pls more Magica stories!!!!
>
> Well, I have some comments on a few previous digests but I'll leave
these for another mail. This one is already too big. Needless to
say I'm very happy to be a part of this list, a big HI to everybody
and you'll hear from me again. Very soon. :)
>
> Dennis
>
>
> "The Earth's surface is only 510 million square kilometers. Scrooge's
got to be hidden in one of them. No matter what, I'll find him!" Magica de Spell.
>
> (re-tranlated from Greek to English).
>
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