Keskustelujen arkisto

> The song, written by E.Y. Harburg and H. Arlen, was made famous
> by the late Groucho of Marx Brothers fame in 1939, as performed
> in the movie "At the Circus" and in various other occasions, becoming
> Groucho's favourite piece for encores in his shows and, later still,
> ignored by European translators (sorry folks, but as a Rosa AND Marx
> Bros. fan, I'm still disappointed about that... ;-)

I REALLY don't think that any translator IGNORED that song since
it's widely known even outside the U.S.
BUT the song and the jokes around it are virtually unstranslatable, and
to leave
the lyrics unchanged or try some obscure translation of the lyrics would
make a story literally unreadable.

As in the case of "Mark Twain" references, I don't think a translator
can
be so close to the original and still produce a good and redable comic
in
another language. Both text and pictures have to be synchronized and
integrated with each other to make a good comic.
(If there's any text at all that is...)

Steamboat Willie

> D. - I know that many children prefer simple (?, enfoldig)
persons and
> simple stories.

Isn't the norwegian "enfoldig" the same word as the Swedish "enfaldig"?
In that case.. perhaps you can translate that into "single-minded" or
"simple-minded" persons....

Steamboat Willie

Hello!!!

I have a question for the Italians on this list (or for whoever knows the
answer, of course).

This week I bought "Topolino" #2232 (that was strange, because I don't
usually buy "Topolino") and I was puzzled by the story "Basettoni e Petulia
- Bentornati a Topolinia" ("O'Hara and Petunia - Welcome back to
Mousetown"), written by Davide Catenacci and drawn by Nicola Tosolini. What
I found strange was the character of Petulia, which was O'Hara's WIFE!!!

This is the first time I have heard of chief O'Hara being married (As a
matter of fact, this is the first time I have heard of ANY regular Disney
character being married). I'm not against the introduction of new
characters, but turning an old bachelor like chief O'Hara into a married
man... ugh, I think it will take quite a long time for me to get used to
this. What do you think of this?

Can anyone tell me who this Petulia is, who invented her, and similar
things? When did the wedding occur? I mean, is this Petulia supposed to be
the newly-wed bride of chief O'Hara, or has she been his wife for a long
time?

Thanks in advance
Claudia

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Arthur Faria Jr.:
>
>That's it. Thanks for the info, Marco. If this story is dated may, 1964 then
>I think I'm right saying that it was created almost at the same time as
>Murry's "Return of the Phantom Blot"...
>

Don't forget that quite a few Italian Disney stories featuring the Phantom
Blot were created EVEN EARLIER in Italy.

I'll quote:

I TL 116-A (June 1955)
Topolino e il doppio segreto di Macchia Nera
/Martina/Scarpa/Scarpa
20/il ritorno di Macchia Nera/Pippo, Basettoni, Manetta, Cappellaio Matto,
Eta Beta, Flip Secondo, Macchia Nera
[ristampe: CWD 2, CD 9, TM 39]

I TL 247-C (August 1960)
Topolino e il re dei mendicanti
/Missaglia/Chierchini/
31/avventura gialla, vagamente ispirata a "The beggar's opera"/Pippo,
Gambadilegno, Macchia Nera

I TL 279-B (April 1961)
Topolino e le evasioni impossibili
/Missaglia/Chierchini/
22/Topolino in carcere per far scattare una trappola/Pippo, Basettoni,
Macchia Nera, Gambadilegno, Minni
[ristampe: CWD 24, CD 45]

I TL 328-B (March 1962)
Topolino e le manette magiche
/Pavese/Brahms/
30/contro Macchia Nera/Minni, Tip & Tap, Macchia Nera
[ristampe: AR 681]

I TL 340-B (June 1962)
Topolino e i malefici sette
/Missaglia/Brahms/
28/malavita organizzata/Pippo, Basettoni, Manetta, Minni, Pluto,
Gambadilegno, Macchia Nera, Enigm, Tubi
[ristampe: GCD 19]

I AT 77-B (May 1963)
Topolino e i ladri elettronici
/Barosso/Brahms/
22/spionaggio/Pippo, Enigm, Macchia Nera
[ristampe: AR 785]

I AT 77-C (May 1963)
Eta Beta e il fenachistiscopio tridimensionale
/Barosso/Perego/
24/proietta immagini a mezz'aria/Topolino, Macchia Nera
[ristampe: AR 755]

...and I'll stop here but there are LOTS more!

BTW, thank you very much for the interesting information on B-coded stories!

Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics

Hi, Marco and all!

Answering to Arthur Faria Jr., Barlotti says:

> Don't forget that quite a few Italian Disney stories featuring the Phantom
> Blot were created EVEN EARLIER in Italy.

> I TL 247-C (August 1960)
> Topolino e il re dei mendicanti
> /Missaglia/Chierchini/
> 31/avventura gialla, vagamente ispirata a "The beggar's opera"/Pippo,
> Gambadilegno, Macchia Nera
>
> I TL 279-B (April 1961)
> Topolino e le evasioni impossibili
> /Missaglia/Chierchini/
> 22/Topolino in carcere per far scattare una trappola/Pippo, Basettoni,
> Macchia Nera, Gambadilegno, Minni
> [ristampe: CWD 24, CD 45]

It's interesting to observe that Chierchini didn't draw Macchia Nera
(the Blot) with his phantom disguise, but... in "normal" dresses, like
he were a a normal thief. Maybe it's only a misunderstanding of
Missaglia's intention. Incidentally, he wrote Macchianera, and not
Macchia Nera. So, for a while, italian artists prefearred to draw the
blot in that way. In 1965, to see the Murry's version "in black", was
a sort of shock.
Luca

From: "Kalle Hermansson":
>>>>>Don Rosa:
>>>I've just read your "The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff", I really like that
Geronimo figures in the story since I have a great interest in the
history of Native Americans at large and especially of the Apache
tribes. I saw at once that it was him (though he couldn't possibly be in
Arizona at that time (1890)). But I'm sure you already knew of that, as
indicated whit the phrase "I thought they send you to Florida"

Oh, yes, I did extensive research to make sure ALL the historical figures in
that tale MIGHT have been in Arizona in 1890. I determined Buffalo Bill and
Annie Oakley had returned from a Euro tour, Jacob Walz was alive and made a
last trip to his mine in that year, the Daltons were at-large, and that
Barnum was actually touring the west in 1890. And I made sure that Geronimo
was not a hunted criminal at that time. Yes, he was on a reservation in
Florida in 1890, and I assume he stayed there, but... you can't prove he
did, eh? Maybe he escaped for a few months and was recaptured, and the army
covered the fact up due to embarrassment? Anyway, he absolutely MIGHT have
been in Arizona in 1890, and it can't be shown otherwise for certain. (And
yes, this was discussed here a few yrears back.)

>>>As for the title of my letter: Hortense, $crooges horse in chapter 3 & 4
of Lo$ and in the adventure above, what happened to her while he was in
Scottland and Africa??
At least the horse's name is the same in those stories in Sweden, what
does the original script say and if it's similar where has she been??

No, in my stories $crooge only had the one horse, and it will always be so,
just for fun. One reader once claimed I made an error, and that Hortense is
seen leaving in a huff in chapter 3... but it's so easy to wheedle out of
that: so, later she simply changed her mind and came back! Anyway, I
guess $crooge boarded her somewhere in those interim years (or, more likely,
he rented her out!).

From: "Anders Chr. Sivebæk" :

Anders (whose name always looks so weird in the Digest) posted his
translation of that Norewegian article about me. I just need to say that,
though it is *not* in the slightest his fault, and I thank him for the great
translation effort, nevertheless when you take such a conversation,
translate it into Norwegian and then *back* into English with no way to
refer to the original text, it's gonna come out pretty darn weird. There was
a lot in there that is not what was exactly said or meant, and a lot that is
worded not remotely as I wrote it in the original Internet interview.... but
I can see how it lost its way in the double translation route.
The author could have provided Anders with the original English version and
saved him lots of work -- I wonder why that didn't happen? In fact, I just
checked, and *I* have the text of the original interview on a computer-file.
But it's 16 KB. I think it would be too long to post to the ML, eh?

Caleb, Jyrki:

Jyrki wrote:
>I do wonder about the CoA, though. I have no knowledge that the foreign
>editions would come withOUT them. Does anyone else know better?

I myself may not know better, but I know this: all prints in all editions
of all lithographs produced by Another Rainbow have been issued with
Certificates of Authenticity (or documented equivalents), and this includes
all foreign editions. In the last several years there have been releases of
prints of Barks paintings that were not done by us, so we have no real idea
of the existence or non-existence of CoAs for these.

Another Rainbow's stated policy on handling the resale of prints of any of
our lithograph editions is that each print *must* be accompanied by its
CoA, or there's no deal. (We don't deal at all with prints we haven't
produced.) This policy only directs our activities, of course, but it is
how we believe any legitimate secondary market transaction on such products
should be handled. The rest is cavaet emptor, I'm afraid.

Gary

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Gladstone on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com

Hello!

A couple of weeks ago somebody (I can't remember who it was, sorry) asked if
anybody knew whether Giuseppe Perego was still among the living or not. I've
seen no answer yet. Maybe I've gone blind and missed it, or maybe there just
were many people on holidays and off list.

So, does anybody know that? I've been wondering about it for a long time now.
Thanks!

Ciao!

Francesco

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