At 00.18 1998-09-09, Don Rosa wrote:
>such a error was found by Mattias Hallin in "Guardians of
>the Lost Library" where I had Marco Polo doing something 50 years before he
>was born
DON,
Are you quite sure it was *I* who told you that?! You see, while I've
certainly picked a fair number of nits in your stories over the years, I
just don't recall noticing *that*, and I'm rather anxious not to be
credited with a discovery I didn't make. But maybe I did? I just can't
recall, and unfortunately I never kept those contributions I made to the
list from my workplace e-mail address, before I got myself a private
connection.
But perhaps someone else *does* rememeber making such a contribution? Or
maybe I'll be forgettin' my own head next?
All the best, though, from
/Mattias
*** Mattias Hallin ** Brussels ** Belgium ** <(Email removed)> ***
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Topic: 199809
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Mattias Hallin
Digest #221
Message 91 -
1998-09-09 at 08:28:28
Frank Stajano
Disney comics Digest V98 #221
Message 92 -
1998-09-09 at 13:11:36
ETA BETA:
>>Leonardo GORI - Francesco STAJANO
>>Il Mago di Topolino: FLOYD GOTTFREDSON fra Walt Disney e Ub Iwerks
>>Editrice Comic Art
>Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! Am I GLAD about that... :-))))))))))))))))
Thanks! That's the best kind of reward for all the work that went into it.
You, if anyone, should be doubly interested in it, given the alias you've
chosen for yourself. We go into Eega Beeva in quite some depth...
There is now a page showing a few cute snippets such as details from
original art where you can see Gottfredson's blue pencils and the ink on
top and the "retino" (what's the name for that self-sticking dot mask in
English? I only have English dictionaries here at the office, no Ita-Eng)
and the little piece of paper with the printed (c) message and so on...
just beautiful!
http://i.am/floyd.gottfredson/
Any more news about the book (including the graphical timeline when
available) will appear there.
Let me say that I *entirely agree* with your comments about translations in
the rest of your message (to BROR) and that I wrote at length about similar
issues in the book, examining several cases of things that were lost along
the way. To me the really good translator is the one with the humility of
being totally *transparent*. Of course, this takes a lot more work and
skill than just translating in a "free" way that displays the translator's
own personality, but it's work that I greatly appreciate when I find it,
and I can assure you that I recognise it when it's there (as I am sure you
do too).
Frank (http://i.am/filologo.disneyano) http://www.orl.co.uk/~fms
>>Leonardo GORI - Francesco STAJANO
>>Il Mago di Topolino: FLOYD GOTTFREDSON fra Walt Disney e Ub Iwerks
>>Editrice Comic Art
>Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! Am I GLAD about that... :-))))))))))))))))
Thanks! That's the best kind of reward for all the work that went into it.
You, if anyone, should be doubly interested in it, given the alias you've
chosen for yourself. We go into Eega Beeva in quite some depth...
There is now a page showing a few cute snippets such as details from
original art where you can see Gottfredson's blue pencils and the ink on
top and the "retino" (what's the name for that self-sticking dot mask in
English? I only have English dictionaries here at the office, no Ita-Eng)
and the little piece of paper with the printed (c) message and so on...
just beautiful!
http://i.am/floyd.gottfredson/
Any more news about the book (including the graphical timeline when
available) will appear there.
Let me say that I *entirely agree* with your comments about translations in
the rest of your message (to BROR) and that I wrote at length about similar
issues in the book, examining several cases of things that were lost along
the way. To me the really good translator is the one with the humility of
being totally *transparent*. Of course, this takes a lot more work and
skill than just translating in a "free" way that displays the translator's
own personality, but it's work that I greatly appreciate when I find it,
and I can assure you that I recognise it when it's there (as I am sure you
do too).
Frank (http://i.am/filologo.disneyano) http://www.orl.co.uk/~fms
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Ludwig Von Drake's non-existance
Message 93 -
1998-09-09 at 15:13:37
KALLE HERMANSON, 31 August 1998:
> My name is Kalle Hermansson and I sit in Sweden writing into this list
> for the first time.
Welcome!
> But theres one thing who s bothering me and thats when Daniel van
> Eijmeren wrote:
>> just like something similar has happened to Ludwig Von Drake who now
>> also doesn't seem to exist.
> whats the meaning whit doesn t seem to exist?? (and *also*??) sounds
> strange!!
I'm sure there are people who can answer this better than me, but Ludwig
Von Drake's non-existance is a descision of the Egmont publishers. This
means that they won't publish stories containing Ludwig Von Drake anymore.
An exception is the Scrooge McDuck 50 years anniversary story "A Little
Something Special" where Don Rosa included Ludwig as part of the Duck
family. He's only partly visible and from the back, so the editor would
not notice him (or not feel bothered by his appearance).
Another such story is the H-coded "The Pied Piper of Duckburg". (A story
initiated by Barks in the late 1950s, finished by Don Rosa in the late
1980s). In a rat-filled street-overview Ludwig Von Drake can be seen
looking out of a window. (I have no idea if Ludwig was non-existing at
that time, though.)
BTW. There are more characters non-existant at Egmont, but I have no
idea which ones.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
> My name is Kalle Hermansson and I sit in Sweden writing into this list
> for the first time.
Welcome!
> But theres one thing who s bothering me and thats when Daniel van
> Eijmeren wrote:
>> just like something similar has happened to Ludwig Von Drake who now
>> also doesn't seem to exist.
> whats the meaning whit doesn t seem to exist?? (and *also*??) sounds
> strange!!
I'm sure there are people who can answer this better than me, but Ludwig
Von Drake's non-existance is a descision of the Egmont publishers. This
means that they won't publish stories containing Ludwig Von Drake anymore.
An exception is the Scrooge McDuck 50 years anniversary story "A Little
Something Special" where Don Rosa included Ludwig as part of the Duck
family. He's only partly visible and from the back, so the editor would
not notice him (or not feel bothered by his appearance).
Another such story is the H-coded "The Pied Piper of Duckburg". (A story
initiated by Barks in the late 1950s, finished by Don Rosa in the late
1980s). In a rat-filled street-overview Ludwig Von Drake can be seen
looking out of a window. (I have no idea if Ludwig was non-existing at
that time, though.)
BTW. There are more characters non-existant at Egmont, but I have no
idea which ones.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Donald triumphing over Scrooge
Message 94 -
1998-09-09 at 15:39:16
DAVID KING, 5 September 1998:
> It's almost axiomatic that when Donald tries to outfox Scrooge,
> Scrooge wins. I know of only one story where Donald decidedly gets the
> better of Scrooge: [...] Does anyone know of any other stories where
> Donald wins?
I can add two to the ones already mentioned:
- The Magic Hourglass, OS 291: Donald triumphs mentally over Scrooge at
the end of the story.
- Only a Poor Old Man, OS 386: In the beginning of the Donald triumphs
mentally over Scrooge by obviously not taking serious what Scrooge is
telling and just talking along with him. (This is one of my many
favourite Barks-moments.) On the last page of the story, Donald
triumphs mentally again but now also financially. (Scrooge gets the
last word on Donald's comment, though.)
There's also a great Dutch story of Donald triumphing mentally over
Gladstone Glander. You should see Gladstone's face after Donald
asks him: "But do you have any *friends*?"
(I think this story is definitely worth a USA reprint!)
Greetings,
--- Daniel
> It's almost axiomatic that when Donald tries to outfox Scrooge,
> Scrooge wins. I know of only one story where Donald decidedly gets the
> better of Scrooge: [...] Does anyone know of any other stories where
> Donald wins?
I can add two to the ones already mentioned:
- The Magic Hourglass, OS 291: Donald triumphs mentally over Scrooge at
the end of the story.
- Only a Poor Old Man, OS 386: In the beginning of the Donald triumphs
mentally over Scrooge by obviously not taking serious what Scrooge is
telling and just talking along with him. (This is one of my many
favourite Barks-moments.) On the last page of the story, Donald
triumphs mentally again but now also financially. (Scrooge gets the
last word on Donald's comment, though.)
There's also a great Dutch story of Donald triumphing mentally over
Gladstone Glander. You should see Gladstone's face after Donald
asks him: "But do you have any *friends*?"
(I think this story is definitely worth a USA reprint!)
Greetings,
--- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Duke of Baloni, second-richest duck
Message 95 -
1998-09-09 at 15:52:49
ARTHUR FARIA, 6 September 1998:
> [About Barks' WDC 148 ten-pager] Well, I know two Brazilian versions
> of that story: the first was published in "Tio Patinhas" #41, 1968.
> Uncle Scrooge says (page 7, panel 4): "You are the Duke of <something>,
> the *second richest man in the world!*" But, in a reprint (Tio Patinhas
> #161, 1978), the same panel shows: "You are the Duke of <something>,
> the *third richest man in the world!*"
In the original, Scrooge says: "I *know you*! I saw your *picture* in
the paper this morning! I clipped it out! You're the Duke of Baloni, the
*second-richest duck in the world*!"
Barks submitted this story on 12 June 1952, preceding Flintheart
Glomgold's debut appearance in "The Second-richest Duck" (US 15,
submitted on 2 February 1956).
Greetings,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
"Glory be! That mug looks *just like me*! I'm *saved*!"
Donald Duck, WDC 148
> [About Barks' WDC 148 ten-pager] Well, I know two Brazilian versions
> of that story: the first was published in "Tio Patinhas" #41, 1968.
> Uncle Scrooge says (page 7, panel 4): "You are the Duke of <something>,
> the *second richest man in the world!*" But, in a reprint (Tio Patinhas
> #161, 1978), the same panel shows: "You are the Duke of <something>,
> the *third richest man in the world!*"
In the original, Scrooge says: "I *know you*! I saw your *picture* in
the paper this morning! I clipped it out! You're the Duke of Baloni, the
*second-richest duck in the world*!"
Barks submitted this story on 12 June 1952, preceding Flintheart
Glomgold's debut appearance in "The Second-richest Duck" (US 15,
submitted on 2 February 1956).
Greetings,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
"Glory be! That mug looks *just like me*! I'm *saved*!"
Donald Duck, WDC 148
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Hands off! Don't touch!
Message 96 -
1998-09-09 at 16:05:13
DARREL C. RODEN, 6 September 1998:
> I subscribed to this list a few days ago
Welcome!
> (unfortunately, I didn't know it existed until then) and finally
> figured out how to retrieve some of the previous issues from the
> archives.
The early years, 1992 to (most of) 1995, are available somewhere on
Per Starback's "Disney comics" pages.
> 1. Does anybody know who did the cover for (Gold Key - March, 1979)
> Daisy and Donald #9? It's a great gag cover with Daisy decorating a
> cake with the words "Hands Off"and Donald looking rather frustrated.
> I had the great good fortune to obtain the original art and am in the
> process of framing it for my bride of (almost) ten years. I would like
> to credit the artist on the matting for the picture if possible.
I have no idea who did this cover, but what I do know is that there
is also a Barks-version of it. It was an art-only cover for WDC 153,
submitted on 2 October 1952. The cover contains Donald and the nephews,
Donald being the one who writes "Don't touch" on the pie.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
> I subscribed to this list a few days ago
Welcome!
> (unfortunately, I didn't know it existed until then) and finally
> figured out how to retrieve some of the previous issues from the
> archives.
The early years, 1992 to (most of) 1995, are available somewhere on
Per Starback's "Disney comics" pages.
> 1. Does anybody know who did the cover for (Gold Key - March, 1979)
> Daisy and Donald #9? It's a great gag cover with Daisy decorating a
> cake with the words "Hands Off"and Donald looking rather frustrated.
> I had the great good fortune to obtain the original art and am in the
> process of framing it for my bride of (almost) ten years. I would like
> to credit the artist on the matting for the picture if possible.
I have no idea who did this cover, but what I do know is that there
is also a Barks-version of it. It was an art-only cover for WDC 153,
submitted on 2 October 1952. The cover contains Donald and the nephews,
Donald being the one who writes "Don't touch" on the pie.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
Daniel Van Eijmeren
HTML-mail=20
Message 97 -
1998-09-09 at 16:24:43
DAN SHANE, 8 September 1998:
> To disable HTML in Outlook (97 or 98 -- it doesn't matter), add the
> email address for the Disney Comics Mailing List to your Personal
> Address Book (choose NEW ENTRY | INTERNET ADDRESS [...]
Could this technical info be included somewhere on the "Disney comics"
pages? This way there's a file we can refer to when people use html in
their mails.
I think it would even be nicer if this information would be broadened
with such technical info on other programmes used by people here. Not
only on html-mails, also on the "quoted-printable" ones which get
messed up in the plain-text digests (for example by containing annoying
"=20" signs).
I would love to contribute on Internet Explorer 3.0's e-mail programme
Internet Mail, but then I need someone with an English version for the
exact names of the options (I'm using a Dutch one).
Greetings,
--- Daniel (wishing e-mail could have stayed as compatible as it
originally was.)
> To disable HTML in Outlook (97 or 98 -- it doesn't matter), add the
> email address for the Disney Comics Mailing List to your Personal
> Address Book (choose NEW ENTRY | INTERNET ADDRESS [...]
Could this technical info be included somewhere on the "Disney comics"
pages? This way there's a file we can refer to when people use html in
their mails.
I think it would even be nicer if this information would be broadened
with such technical info on other programmes used by people here. Not
only on html-mails, also on the "quoted-printable" ones which get
messed up in the plain-text digests (for example by containing annoying
"=20" signs).
I would love to contribute on Internet Explorer 3.0's e-mail programme
Internet Mail, but then I need someone with an English version for the
exact names of the options (I'm using a Dutch one).
Greetings,
--- Daniel (wishing e-mail could have stayed as compatible as it
originally was.)
Vidar Svendsen
Danes!
Message 98 -
1998-09-09 at 16:37:09
Hello ye Danes
Could you tell me if there's a comics shop i Skagen?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
Could you tell me if there's a comics shop i Skagen?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Photo's of Barks in Denmark, 1994
Message 99 -
1998-09-09 at 17:39:20
While rowing over the World Wide Web, I found a page which contained three
colourphoto's of Barks' visit to Denmark in 1994. It's called Gizmo's page
and the URL is "http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc18953/home.html"
Greetings,
Blinding signs flap flicker flicker flicker
--- Daniel BLAM! POW! POW!
Stairway scare Dan Dare who's there...
Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd, 1967
(a comic-book reference?)
colourphoto's of Barks' visit to Denmark in 1994. It's called Gizmo's page
and the URL is "http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc18953/home.html"
Greetings,
Blinding signs flap flicker flicker flicker
--- Daniel BLAM! POW! POW!
Stairway scare Dan Dare who's there...
Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd, 1967
(a comic-book reference?)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Square eggs and The Cruise of the Kawa
Message 100 -
1998-09-09 at 18:28:30
In private mail someone (a visitor of my site?) wrote me in private
to ask if Barks knew of a book called "The Cruise of the Kawa" by
Walter E. Traprock from 1921.
The following information is from the e-mail:
This was purporting to be an exciting travel story from the South
Seas. The book was a hoax, a satire on travel stories, and in it
there is a nice picture of four square eggs lying in a nest waiting
to be hatched. The eggs aren't only square, they actually have black
spots and look exactly like dice! The eggs were laid by the "Fatu-
Liva bird".
I don't know anything about this book. In 1975 Barks himself said about
the eggs' origin: "Square eggs have been a joke for more years than I've
been on earth". I remember hearing people talking about breeding chickens
that would lay square eggs from the time I was a little child."
In the e-mail I was also asked if there are any theories about where Carl
Barks got his inspiration for stories and if it could be that the "Cruise
of the Kawa" was mentioned in the National Geographic.
Any information is very welcome. Is there also someone who could scan
the mentioned picture of the nest with the square eggs? (Please contact
me first before sending any by e-mail.)
Greetings,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
to ask if Barks knew of a book called "The Cruise of the Kawa" by
Walter E. Traprock from 1921.
The following information is from the e-mail:
This was purporting to be an exciting travel story from the South
Seas. The book was a hoax, a satire on travel stories, and in it
there is a nice picture of four square eggs lying in a nest waiting
to be hatched. The eggs aren't only square, they actually have black
spots and look exactly like dice! The eggs were laid by the "Fatu-
Liva bird".
I don't know anything about this book. In 1975 Barks himself said about
the eggs' origin: "Square eggs have been a joke for more years than I've
been on earth". I remember hearing people talking about breeding chickens
that would lay square eggs from the time I was a little child."
In the e-mail I was also asked if there are any theories about where Carl
Barks got his inspiration for stories and if it could be that the "Cruise
of the Kawa" was mentioned in the National Geographic.
Any information is very welcome. Is there also someone who could scan
the mentioned picture of the nest with the square eggs? (Please contact
me first before sending any by e-mail.)
Greetings,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
Willot Eleve Promo 98
Gottfredson
Message 101 -
1998-09-09 at 20:52:02
Frank:
Speaking of Gottfredson, someone gave me a photocopy of an ad drawn by
Floyd G. in 1948. It shows MM and one of his nephews. Does someone know
where this drawing was published? Maybe in some fanzines?
Francois
Speaking of Gottfredson, someone gave me a photocopy of an ad drawn by
Floyd G. in 1948. It shows MM and one of his nephews. Does someone know
where this drawing was published? Maybe in some fanzines?
Francois
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Duck-teeth
Message 102 -
1998-09-09 at 22:35:30
Hello Friends
The other day I was playing Trivial pursuit (the version for young
players) with some friends. Fortunately some of the questions
were about Disney and Disney Comics.
E.g. Does Donald Duck have teeth?" Well, the answer on the
back of the card was no! What do you think? Personally I've seen
Donald's and the other ducks' teeth some times. When Donald gets
angry and wants to punish the Kids, does he not sometimes show
his teeth, like dogs do, when they are angry? I think I remember some
Barks-stories where he showed teeth, but maybe not any Don Rosa-
stories (please correct me here, if I'm wrong!).
I have a blotting pad, where it says that *Pluto and Mickey* do seldom
show teeth, but maybe that's in cartoons. Has Mickey ever showed teeth
in a comics (maybe by Murry or Gottfredson)
The other day I was playing Trivial pursuit (the version for young
players) with some friends. Fortunately some of the questions
were about Disney and Disney Comics.
E.g. Does Donald Duck have teeth?" Well, the answer on the
back of the card was no! What do you think? Personally I've seen
Donald's and the other ducks' teeth some times. When Donald gets
angry and wants to punish the Kids, does he not sometimes show
his teeth, like dogs do, when they are angry? I think I remember some
Barks-stories where he showed teeth, but maybe not any Don Rosa-
stories (please correct me here, if I'm wrong!).
I have a blotting pad, where it says that *Pluto and Mickey* do seldom
show teeth, but maybe that's in cartoons. Has Mickey ever showed teeth
in a comics (maybe by Murry or Gottfredson)
Fluks, H.W.
Lucca, Italy
Message 103 -
1998-09-10 at 11:56:43
I plan to go to the comic convention in Lucca, Italy, in the weekend of
October 31. One of the people there will be L. Bottaro. Is anyone from
this mailing list planning to go there too?
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #222
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October 31. One of the people there will be L. Bottaro. Is anyone from
this mailing list planning to go there too?
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #222
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Gianfranco Goria
Lucca, Italy
Message 104 -
1998-09-10 at 12:02:16
Ok, Harry: I will be in Lucca, too.
Gianfranco Goria
cartoonist, comics script writer, publishing consultant
(Email removed)
http://www.fumetti.org/goria/
director Anonima Fumetti News
http://www.fumetti.org/afnews/
(comics news daily press agency)
president Anonima Fumetti
http://www.fumetti.org/anonima/
(the Italian cartoonists society)
director Centro Nazionale del Fumetto
http://www.fumetti.org/cnf/
(the Italian centre for comic art)
project responsible Museo Italiano del Fumetto
http://www.fumetti.org/museo/
(the Italian Museum for comic art)
Gianfranco Goria
cartoonist, comics script writer, publishing consultant
(Email removed)
http://www.fumetti.org/goria/
director Anonima Fumetti News
http://www.fumetti.org/afnews/
(comics news daily press agency)
president Anonima Fumetti
http://www.fumetti.org/anonima/
(the Italian cartoonists society)
director Centro Nazionale del Fumetto
http://www.fumetti.org/cnf/
(the Italian centre for comic art)
project responsible Museo Italiano del Fumetto
http://www.fumetti.org/museo/
(the Italian Museum for comic art)
Falkenberg
Duck-teeth
Message 105 -
1998-09-10 at 13:56:31
Hello folks,
I agree with Anders Chr. Following here is a second cause:
Donald needs his teeth for eating, too. In pictures where he is eating=20
we can see a bump(or working cheek) at the intersection bill -to- head.=20
To reduce food to small pieces everybody needs something like teeth or
bones. It is fair to assume that Donald need teeth to eat, but not a bill.
When he need a bill to eat , why he don=B4t use it in combination with hi=
s
teeth ?=20
My question is :what is the function of the bill ? But when Donald is in
rage we can see teeth at the bill.=20
Maybe a second kind of teeth (which have a direct connection to the
bill)?or the same ? Normally teeth are not in sight ,maybe he can withdra=
w
one kind of teeth and have another kind to eat. But doubtless is that D.
Duck has teeth, so the Trivial pursuit game answer is wrong.
Normally I=B4m only a lurker , ( this is the last disturb) but I have rea=
d a
article about teeth, bones and anatomy in Duckburgh, so I must write this
sentences.
Sorry for my bad english, I hope you understand what I mean. =20
Greetings
Helmut F.
=20
I agree with Anders Chr. Following here is a second cause:
Donald needs his teeth for eating, too. In pictures where he is eating=20
we can see a bump(or working cheek) at the intersection bill -to- head.=20
To reduce food to small pieces everybody needs something like teeth or
bones. It is fair to assume that Donald need teeth to eat, but not a bill.
When he need a bill to eat , why he don=B4t use it in combination with hi=
s
teeth ?=20
My question is :what is the function of the bill ? But when Donald is in
rage we can see teeth at the bill.=20
Maybe a second kind of teeth (which have a direct connection to the
bill)?or the same ? Normally teeth are not in sight ,maybe he can withdra=
w
one kind of teeth and have another kind to eat. But doubtless is that D.
Duck has teeth, so the Trivial pursuit game answer is wrong.
Normally I=B4m only a lurker , ( this is the last disturb) but I have rea=
d a
article about teeth, bones and anatomy in Duckburgh, so I must write this
sentences.
Sorry for my bad english, I hope you understand what I mean. =20
Greetings
Helmut F.
=20