I checked out the bins plans and I instantly noticed
that there was a WC installed. I wondered if you could
tell me has there been any mention or panels of
toilets in barks stories. How about ANY duck comics?
In one of Rosa's Lo$ episodes Scrooge has an outhouse connected to his
movable mining hut. The outhouse even plays a role in the story. It seems that
only Don Rosa has shown toilets in duck comics. I wonder if this is part of his
habit of bringing duck universe closer to real life or has it somenting to do
with his history in bathroom decoration business.
I myself have not noticed the ducks having some of the
bodyly functions of humans.
They do eat, drink and sweat, though. I don't know how they reproduce, but
it seems to take place in some form or another involving eggs.
-Pertti
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Message 1 -
2001-02-01 at 08:51:33
Orjan.Berglund
#394
Message 2 -
2001-02-01 at 13:53:22
I downloded the Disney cartoon ?The Spirit of 43? that Klaus Harms
suggested.
http://www.lib.virginia.edu/dmmc/Gallery/taxes.mov (ca. 32 MB!)
Besides Donald there is an older duck that speaks with a Scottish accent. He
has sideburns, a walking stick, spectacles and a Scottish cap looking like
the cap Scrooge uses in ?Christmas on Bear Mountain?.
Scroogs first appearance in Bear Mountin was 1947. As ?The Spirit of 43?
obviously is a WWII-related cartoon it must have been made some years
earlier. The question is if this old duck is an early Scrooge or
.???
Orjan B
suggested.
http://www.lib.virginia.edu/dmmc/Gallery/taxes.mov (ca. 32 MB!)
Besides Donald there is an older duck that speaks with a Scottish accent. He
has sideburns, a walking stick, spectacles and a Scottish cap looking like
the cap Scrooge uses in ?Christmas on Bear Mountain?.
Scroogs first appearance in Bear Mountin was 1947. As ?The Spirit of 43?
obviously is a WWII-related cartoon it must have been made some years
earlier. The question is if this old duck is an early Scrooge or
.???
Orjan B
Simo Malinen
Service - WWII in Barks stories.
Message 3 -
2001-02-01 at 14:42:20
>WWII is never mentioned in Don Rosa or Carl Barks stories.
There is one more indirect reference of WWII in Carl Barks
WDC 84, Walz King -story. On the pages 7 and 8 Donald is
planning to attack a big man on a bus stop:
DD: "I'll give him the flying arm-lock that I learned in commando school!"
As a result, the big man is running away and yelling:
The Big Man: "What ran into me - A Tiger tank?"
The Walz King -story was drawn in 1947 - so it's quite obvious
that "Tiger tank" means the infamous WWII German Tiger -tank.
(So the big man Donald beat up be was a war veteran?)
Donald might be delirious, but could the mention about commando
school be at least a hint of his action during WWII?
- Simo Malinen
malines at iobox.fi
There is one more indirect reference of WWII in Carl Barks
WDC 84, Walz King -story. On the pages 7 and 8 Donald is
planning to attack a big man on a bus stop:
DD: "I'll give him the flying arm-lock that I learned in commando school!"
As a result, the big man is running away and yelling:
The Big Man: "What ran into me - A Tiger tank?"
The Walz King -story was drawn in 1947 - so it's quite obvious
that "Tiger tank" means the infamous WWII German Tiger -tank.
(So the big man Donald beat up be was a war veteran?)
Donald might be delirious, but could the mention about commando
school be at least a hint of his action during WWII?
- Simo Malinen
malines at iobox.fi
Don Rosa
Two interesting things from Wednesday:
Message 4 -
2001-02-01 at 15:59:59
From: "Dan Shane" <danshane at bellsouth.net>
>>>As someone with some architectural training I might be able to...
This man is also the guy who has drawn the blueprint plans for the Money
Bin for me! All done on computer. VERY professional looking and gorgeous!
12 detailed floor plans and elevation views. Looking just like the real
goods, not like something you'd see in a comic book. I had more fun on this
project than anything else since the "Lo$. I can't wait for you to see
it... but even though he could download it to his "$CROOGE MCDUCK
HOMEPAGE", we will naturally wait until it's published worldwide in a few
months. (By the way, Dan's homepage recently crossed over 50,000 hits. We
really need to put more material on there! He has a "virtual tour" of my
"so-called studio" and Duck collection in the works with about 30-40
photos.)
From: pertti.ruismaki at datex-ohmeda.com
>>>I checked out the bins plans and I instantly noticed
that there was a WC installed.
Of course! Several on each floor! How could there not be?
>>>It seems that only Don Rosa has shown toilets in duck comics.
Wait till you see the "Beagle Boys vs. The Money Bin" story I sent in 2
weeks ago. 176-671 has quite an adventure in $crooge's private bathroom on
the top floor.
>>>I wonder if this is part of his
habit of bringing duck universe closer to real life or has it somenting
to do
with his history in bathroom decoration business.
"Bathroom decoration business"??? Where did you get that? My company
installed terrazzo and marble and ceramic and quarry tile in commercial
institutions. This included installing entire walls and/or floors (not
"decorating") in almost any room or area inside or outside a building, the
bathroom being only one of them. (But I'll still sooner show a Duck in a
bathroom rather than in a war.)
In fact, according to these 1902 plans for the Money Bin, it seems that the
Keno Rosa Co. (which was established in 1900) was commissioned to supply
the ceramic mosaic floors in $crooge's private quarters.
Anyway, two interesting events yesterday:
First I received a copy of the German DONALD DUCK SONDERHEFT #171. It came
with a very nice letter from new editor Silvio Peter. He says that he had
taken over as editor recently and decided to revamp the title -- they had
used up all of the supply of unpublished Barks stories, and were ready for
a new direction. What it looks like is that he's following the lead of ZIO
PAPERONE and KOMIX, continuing the trend that Gladstone established as the
benchmark for all future Disney comics, by making the title into a very
nice looking magazine for collectors and comics fans of any age. There is
careful selection of stories from a range of writers/artists, articles,
*excellent* coloring and *excellent* (simulated) hand lettering. In fact,
he is employing the services of the ZIO PAPERONE letterer, Diego Ceresa,
and if you've seen ZP you know that they have just about the nicest
dialogue-balloon, sound FX and background lettering of any Disney comic.
So, now the world has a trio of superb Disney comics -- DONALD DUCK
SONDERHEFT, ZIO PAPERONE and KOMIX (and perhaps that other Italian "Disney
Masters" if it's still coming out?). Of course, PICSOU is also excellent,
but still in a slightly different style with a great deal of non-comics
related stuff, which is fine. While I'm on that topic, the editor of PICSOU
was having such great success with his more "collector and quality
oriented" version of that title that he was also assigned the larger LE
JOURNAL DE MICKY, so we may see a great new look for that magazine as well.
Now we just need regular magazines along these lines up in Scandinavia.
The second thing that happened which also indicates the recognition of
these comics as something for readers of all ages rather than just kiddies
was in a phone call I received from a book translator in Baltimore -- he is
working on a Swiss book about the history and mysteries of ancient Egypt.
And there is a mention in the book of Donald Duck and Uncle $crooge and
"The Guardians of the Lost Library". Being an American, this writer had no
idea what this was all about, but tracked down my name on the Internet and
called me... he primarily wanted to know the original English title of the
story, and he was also fascinated by what he'd read on the Internet about
how immensely popular these comics are in Europe (something no American
would ever imagine!). But I think it's cool to know that Barks' Ducks are
being casually referenced and mentioned in something like books on ancient
history!
>>>As someone with some architectural training I might be able to...
This man is also the guy who has drawn the blueprint plans for the Money
Bin for me! All done on computer. VERY professional looking and gorgeous!
12 detailed floor plans and elevation views. Looking just like the real
goods, not like something you'd see in a comic book. I had more fun on this
project than anything else since the "Lo$. I can't wait for you to see
it... but even though he could download it to his "$CROOGE MCDUCK
HOMEPAGE", we will naturally wait until it's published worldwide in a few
months. (By the way, Dan's homepage recently crossed over 50,000 hits. We
really need to put more material on there! He has a "virtual tour" of my
"so-called studio" and Duck collection in the works with about 30-40
photos.)
From: pertti.ruismaki at datex-ohmeda.com
>>>I checked out the bins plans and I instantly noticed
that there was a WC installed.
Of course! Several on each floor! How could there not be?
>>>It seems that only Don Rosa has shown toilets in duck comics.
Wait till you see the "Beagle Boys vs. The Money Bin" story I sent in 2
weeks ago. 176-671 has quite an adventure in $crooge's private bathroom on
the top floor.
>>>I wonder if this is part of his
habit of bringing duck universe closer to real life or has it somenting
to do
with his history in bathroom decoration business.
"Bathroom decoration business"??? Where did you get that? My company
installed terrazzo and marble and ceramic and quarry tile in commercial
institutions. This included installing entire walls and/or floors (not
"decorating") in almost any room or area inside or outside a building, the
bathroom being only one of them. (But I'll still sooner show a Duck in a
bathroom rather than in a war.)
In fact, according to these 1902 plans for the Money Bin, it seems that the
Keno Rosa Co. (which was established in 1900) was commissioned to supply
the ceramic mosaic floors in $crooge's private quarters.
Anyway, two interesting events yesterday:
First I received a copy of the German DONALD DUCK SONDERHEFT #171. It came
with a very nice letter from new editor Silvio Peter. He says that he had
taken over as editor recently and decided to revamp the title -- they had
used up all of the supply of unpublished Barks stories, and were ready for
a new direction. What it looks like is that he's following the lead of ZIO
PAPERONE and KOMIX, continuing the trend that Gladstone established as the
benchmark for all future Disney comics, by making the title into a very
nice looking magazine for collectors and comics fans of any age. There is
careful selection of stories from a range of writers/artists, articles,
*excellent* coloring and *excellent* (simulated) hand lettering. In fact,
he is employing the services of the ZIO PAPERONE letterer, Diego Ceresa,
and if you've seen ZP you know that they have just about the nicest
dialogue-balloon, sound FX and background lettering of any Disney comic.
So, now the world has a trio of superb Disney comics -- DONALD DUCK
SONDERHEFT, ZIO PAPERONE and KOMIX (and perhaps that other Italian "Disney
Masters" if it's still coming out?). Of course, PICSOU is also excellent,
but still in a slightly different style with a great deal of non-comics
related stuff, which is fine. While I'm on that topic, the editor of PICSOU
was having such great success with his more "collector and quality
oriented" version of that title that he was also assigned the larger LE
JOURNAL DE MICKY, so we may see a great new look for that magazine as well.
Now we just need regular magazines along these lines up in Scandinavia.
The second thing that happened which also indicates the recognition of
these comics as something for readers of all ages rather than just kiddies
was in a phone call I received from a book translator in Baltimore -- he is
working on a Swiss book about the history and mysteries of ancient Egypt.
And there is a mention in the book of Donald Duck and Uncle $crooge and
"The Guardians of the Lost Library". Being an American, this writer had no
idea what this was all about, but tracked down my name on the Internet and
called me... he primarily wanted to know the original English title of the
story, and he was also fascinated by what he'd read on the Internet about
how immensely popular these comics are in Europe (something no American
would ever imagine!). But I think it's cool to know that Barks' Ducks are
being casually referenced and mentioned in something like books on ancient
history!
Dan Shane
WC
Message 5 -
2001-02-01 at 16:00:16
Here's the story of the WC I wrote about earlier:
BACKGROUND: An English lady, while visiting Switzerland, was looking
for a room and she asked the schoolmaster if he could recommend any. He took
her to several and when everything was settled, the lady returned to her
home to make the final preparations for her move. When she arrived home, the
thought occurred to her that she had seen no water closet (toilet) around
the place. She sent a note to the schoolmaster asking where the W. C. was
located. The schoolmaster a man of poor English, asked the parish priest to
help him in the matter. Together they tried to discover the meaning of the
letters W. C. and the only solution they could find was Wayside Chapel
(W.C.). The schoolmaster then wrote the following note to the English lady:
Dear Madam:
I take great pleasure in informing you that a W. C. is located nine miles
from the house in the center of a beautiful grove of pine trees surrounded
by lovely ground. It is capable of holding 229 people and it is open on
Sundays and Thursdays. Since there are a good number of people expected
during the summer months, I would suggest that you come early, although
there is plenty of standing room. This is an unfortunate situation,
particularly if you are in the habit of going regularly. You will no doubt
be glad to hear that a great number of people bring their lunches and make a
day of it, while others who can afford it go by car and arrive just in time.
I would especially suggest that your ladyship go on Thursday when there is
organ accompaniment. The acoustics are excellent and even the most delicate
sounds may be heard by all. It may interest you to know that my daughter
was married in a W. C., and it was there that she met her husband. I can
remember the rush there was for seats; there were ten people to a seat
usually occupied by one. And it was wonderful to see the expressions on
their faces.
The newest attraction is a bell donated by a wealthy resident in the
district. It rings every time someone enters. A bazaar is to be held to
provide plush seats for all, since the people feel it is a long felt need.
My wife is rather delicate, so she cannot attend regularly; it has been a
year since she last went. Naturally it pains her very much not to be able to
go more often.
I shall be glad to reserve the best seat for you, if you wish, where you can
be seen by all. For the children there is a special time and place so they
won't disturb their elders.
Hoping I have been of some service to you, I remain,
THE SCHOOLMASTER
BACKGROUND: An English lady, while visiting Switzerland, was looking
for a room and she asked the schoolmaster if he could recommend any. He took
her to several and when everything was settled, the lady returned to her
home to make the final preparations for her move. When she arrived home, the
thought occurred to her that she had seen no water closet (toilet) around
the place. She sent a note to the schoolmaster asking where the W. C. was
located. The schoolmaster a man of poor English, asked the parish priest to
help him in the matter. Together they tried to discover the meaning of the
letters W. C. and the only solution they could find was Wayside Chapel
(W.C.). The schoolmaster then wrote the following note to the English lady:
Dear Madam:
I take great pleasure in informing you that a W. C. is located nine miles
from the house in the center of a beautiful grove of pine trees surrounded
by lovely ground. It is capable of holding 229 people and it is open on
Sundays and Thursdays. Since there are a good number of people expected
during the summer months, I would suggest that you come early, although
there is plenty of standing room. This is an unfortunate situation,
particularly if you are in the habit of going regularly. You will no doubt
be glad to hear that a great number of people bring their lunches and make a
day of it, while others who can afford it go by car and arrive just in time.
I would especially suggest that your ladyship go on Thursday when there is
organ accompaniment. The acoustics are excellent and even the most delicate
sounds may be heard by all. It may interest you to know that my daughter
was married in a W. C., and it was there that she met her husband. I can
remember the rush there was for seats; there were ten people to a seat
usually occupied by one. And it was wonderful to see the expressions on
their faces.
The newest attraction is a bell donated by a wealthy resident in the
district. It rings every time someone enters. A bazaar is to be held to
provide plush seats for all, since the people feel it is a long felt need.
My wife is rather delicate, so she cannot attend regularly; it has been a
year since she last went. Naturally it pains her very much not to be able to
go more often.
I shall be glad to reserve the best seat for you, if you wish, where you can
be seen by all. For the children there is a special time and place so they
won't disturb their elders.
Hoping I have been of some service to you, I remain,
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Shaun Craill
WWII
Message 6 -
2001-02-01 at 20:51:15
Hi everyone,
One of the other problems with stories taking place in and around WWII is the use of symbols. I submitted an U$ Antarctica story idea once which took place around 1937 (if memory serves me correctly). In one sequence there was a reference to a real historical event where a German exploration team flew an aircraft over the continent and threw brass swastikas out the window to claim a large chunk of Antarctica for the 3rd Reich.
It was pointed out to me that this was a no go area because swastikas are illegal in some Disney comic countries (Germany and Israel I think), and the symbols were just too emotional and political to use.
The only way I can see a story taking place during WWII is if history gets modified somewhat, the countries involved are fictional (like Brutopia) and the actual fighting is taking place somewhere just over the horizon in the background.
Didn't Barks do a U$ story in a South East Asian war setting in what must have been a direct reference to the Vietnam War?
Shaun
One of the other problems with stories taking place in and around WWII is the use of symbols. I submitted an U$ Antarctica story idea once which took place around 1937 (if memory serves me correctly). In one sequence there was a reference to a real historical event where a German exploration team flew an aircraft over the continent and threw brass swastikas out the window to claim a large chunk of Antarctica for the 3rd Reich.
It was pointed out to me that this was a no go area because swastikas are illegal in some Disney comic countries (Germany and Israel I think), and the symbols were just too emotional and political to use.
The only way I can see a story taking place during WWII is if history gets modified somewhat, the countries involved are fictional (like Brutopia) and the actual fighting is taking place somewhere just over the horizon in the background.
Didn't Barks do a U$ story in a South East Asian war setting in what must have been a direct reference to the Vietnam War?
Shaun
Ola Martinsson
Spirit of 43
Message 7 -
2001-02-02 at 09:52:43
First, thanks a lot for putting it on the list! I have seen pictures
from it but never seen the film itself. It seems to be impossible to be
able to see the films that were made with a connection to the war.
Maybe it's not so funny that this one is public domain. After all it was
probably made as an order for the US government/treasury and I suppose
that means that they (the customer ) owns the rights to the film. Maybe
this applies to all the films that were made for customers instead for
the Disney studio themselves.
I know that there also was another film that had to do with taxes made
with Donald. I think it's called The new spirit. Was this one also made
during the war ?
Does anyone know if all these films are owned by Disney or by the
customers ?
Ola in a snowing Stockholm -6 and windy
from it but never seen the film itself. It seems to be impossible to be
able to see the films that were made with a connection to the war.
Maybe it's not so funny that this one is public domain. After all it was
probably made as an order for the US government/treasury and I suppose
that means that they (the customer ) owns the rights to the film. Maybe
this applies to all the films that were made for customers instead for
the Disney studio themselves.
I know that there also was another film that had to do with taxes made
with Donald. I think it's called The new spirit. Was this one also made
during the war ?
Does anyone know if all these films are owned by Disney or by the
customers ?
Ola in a snowing Stockholm -6 and windy
Kriton Kyrimis
Spirit of 43
Message 8 -
2001-02-02 at 13:34:03
OLA:
> Maybe it's not so funny that this one is public domain.
Apart from any legal considerations, it could also be that Disney want
to have nothing to do with it. I found the story's "pay your taxes so
that we can make GUNS! GUNS! GUNS! to blast the enemy from the surface
of the Earth and fight for democracy" theme quite disturbing.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Think of me as a paradox in an anomaly, and get on with your tea!"
-----
> Maybe it's not so funny that this one is public domain.
Apart from any legal considerations, it could also be that Disney want
to have nothing to do with it. I found the story's "pay your taxes so
that we can make GUNS! GUNS! GUNS! to blast the enemy from the surface
of the Earth and fight for democracy" theme quite disturbing.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Think of me as a paradox in an anomaly, and get on with your tea!"
-----
Rod Davidek
"The New Spirit"
Message 9 -
2001-02-02 at 14:37:04
Ola Martinsson wrote:
>I know that there also was another film that had to do with taxes made
>with Donald. I think it's called The new spirit. Was this one also made
>during the war?
"The New Spirit" was actually an earlier version of "The Spirit of '43".
Here's a brief history of the two shorts:
"In December 1942, the U.S. Treasury Department asked Walt Disney (as part
of the war effort) to make a cartoon short that would encourage Americans
to pay their income taxes on time. Since they wanted the short in theatres
by February, Walt and his animators worked eighteen-hour days to put it
together.
Walt then flew to Washington to show the storyboards to Treasury Secretary
Henry Morgenthau, who was less than enthusiastic to learn that Mr. Average
Taxpayer was to be played by Donald Duck, but he reluctantly agreed.
The Treasury Department ordered 1100 prints of the cartoon to saturate U.S.
theatres before the tax deadline, which in those days was March 15. The
cost of creating so many Technicolor copies inflated Disney's costs from
the agreed-upon $43,000 to $80,000. Walt was accused by some of being a war
profiteer, which was especially unfair because he lost money during this
episode -- theatres used the "free" cartoon to replace the Donald Duck
short that they otherwise would have shown and paid for.
However, the cartoon was so successful (a Gallup Poll indicated that it had
directly affected the willingness of 37 percent of U.S. taxpayers to pay
their taxes on time) that the Treasury Department gave Disney another
$20,000 to rework and expand "The New Spirit". The result was called "The
Spirit of '43" and featured a segment where Donald is torn between two
alter egos: a zoot-suited spendthrift and a thrifty Scotsman who looks and
acts a lot like Uncle $crooge.
Considering that it was rushed to production, that it was pieced together
in a somewhat slapdash way, and that the subject matter is dated, "The
Spirit of '43" is actually very entertaining."
- Rod -
>I know that there also was another film that had to do with taxes made
>with Donald. I think it's called The new spirit. Was this one also made
>during the war?
"The New Spirit" was actually an earlier version of "The Spirit of '43".
Here's a brief history of the two shorts:
"In December 1942, the U.S. Treasury Department asked Walt Disney (as part
of the war effort) to make a cartoon short that would encourage Americans
to pay their income taxes on time. Since they wanted the short in theatres
by February, Walt and his animators worked eighteen-hour days to put it
together.
Walt then flew to Washington to show the storyboards to Treasury Secretary
Henry Morgenthau, who was less than enthusiastic to learn that Mr. Average
Taxpayer was to be played by Donald Duck, but he reluctantly agreed.
The Treasury Department ordered 1100 prints of the cartoon to saturate U.S.
theatres before the tax deadline, which in those days was March 15. The
cost of creating so many Technicolor copies inflated Disney's costs from
the agreed-upon $43,000 to $80,000. Walt was accused by some of being a war
profiteer, which was especially unfair because he lost money during this
episode -- theatres used the "free" cartoon to replace the Donald Duck
short that they otherwise would have shown and paid for.
However, the cartoon was so successful (a Gallup Poll indicated that it had
directly affected the willingness of 37 percent of U.S. taxpayers to pay
their taxes on time) that the Treasury Department gave Disney another
$20,000 to rework and expand "The New Spirit". The result was called "The
Spirit of '43" and featured a segment where Donald is torn between two
alter egos: a zoot-suited spendthrift and a thrifty Scotsman who looks and
acts a lot like Uncle $crooge.
Considering that it was rushed to production, that it was pieced together
in a somewhat slapdash way, and that the subject matter is dated, "The
Spirit of '43" is actually very entertaining."
- Rod -
Klaus Harms
The Spirit of Copyright
Message 10 -
2001-02-02 at 15:54:15
Hi,
> Betreff: spirit of 43
> Von: Ola Martinsson <Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se>
>
> Maybe it's not so funny that this one is public domain. After all it was
> probably made as an order for the US government/treasury and I suppose
> that means that they (the customer ) owns the rights to the film. Maybe
> this applies to all the films that were made for customers instead for
> the Disney studio themselves.
"The Spirit of 43" was made for the US treasury department, so the
copyright was on their behalf. Copyrights at that time were valid for 28
years, and then could be re-newed for another 28-year period. The
renewal of the copyright of the "Spirit" film was apparently never cared
of. On copyright in general, I quote an entry from the "Termite Terrace"
message board
(http://www.toonzone.net/cgi-bin/termite-terrace/wwwthread.cgi):
> Originally, a film could be copyrighted for a period of 28 years. At
> that point, the current copyright owner could renew for a second 28
> year period. After that, the
> film would pass into the public domain.
>
> Changes to copyright law were made in the late 1970s that extended
> that second renewal period to 75 years. It has since been extended to
> 95 years. The changes
> were made largely due to pressure from the Hollywood studios, who
> realized that in the 1980s their sound film libraries would,
> year-by-year, begin to lose copyright
> protection. With both home video and cable television greatly
> increasing demand for old movies, studios had no desire to give up
> their exclusive hold on those vaults
> full of film they owned.
Ola Martinsson continues:
> I know that there also was another film that had to do with taxes made
> with Donald. I think it's called The new spirit. Was this one also made
> during the war ?
The US treasury department is/was the copyright owner of "The New
Spirit" (made in 1941) also. Perhaps it is in the public domain, too,
but I have no information on that.
There is a long list of public domain classic cartoons (virtually all
"Betty Boop" cartoons from Fleischer, all "Flip the Frog" by Ub Iwerks,
and many pre-1945 Warner Brothers cartoons, among them many wartime
films like "The Ducktators", "Scrap Happy Daffy", "Tokio Jokio", and
"Daffy the Commando"). Digitalized movies of these types have appeared
on the web in the past, and presumably will continue to do so.
It seems that the Disney Company itself failed to renew copyrights for
some of their regular films also, including "The Mad Doctor" (dir.:
David Hand, 1933) and "Mickey's Yoo-Hoo" (Iwerks, 1929) (digitalized
versions of both films are currently available elsewhere on the net, but
both in very poor quality).
Klaus
> Betreff: spirit of 43
> Von: Ola Martinsson <Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se>
>
> Maybe it's not so funny that this one is public domain. After all it was
> probably made as an order for the US government/treasury and I suppose
> that means that they (the customer ) owns the rights to the film. Maybe
> this applies to all the films that were made for customers instead for
> the Disney studio themselves.
"The Spirit of 43" was made for the US treasury department, so the
copyright was on their behalf. Copyrights at that time were valid for 28
years, and then could be re-newed for another 28-year period. The
renewal of the copyright of the "Spirit" film was apparently never cared
of. On copyright in general, I quote an entry from the "Termite Terrace"
message board
(http://www.toonzone.net/cgi-bin/termite-terrace/wwwthread.cgi):
> Originally, a film could be copyrighted for a period of 28 years. At
> that point, the current copyright owner could renew for a second 28
> year period. After that, the
> film would pass into the public domain.
>
> Changes to copyright law were made in the late 1970s that extended
> that second renewal period to 75 years. It has since been extended to
> 95 years. The changes
> were made largely due to pressure from the Hollywood studios, who
> realized that in the 1980s their sound film libraries would,
> year-by-year, begin to lose copyright
> protection. With both home video and cable television greatly
> increasing demand for old movies, studios had no desire to give up
> their exclusive hold on those vaults
> full of film they owned.
Ola Martinsson continues:
> I know that there also was another film that had to do with taxes made
> with Donald. I think it's called The new spirit. Was this one also made
> during the war ?
The US treasury department is/was the copyright owner of "The New
Spirit" (made in 1941) also. Perhaps it is in the public domain, too,
but I have no information on that.
There is a long list of public domain classic cartoons (virtually all
"Betty Boop" cartoons from Fleischer, all "Flip the Frog" by Ub Iwerks,
and many pre-1945 Warner Brothers cartoons, among them many wartime
films like "The Ducktators", "Scrap Happy Daffy", "Tokio Jokio", and
"Daffy the Commando"). Digitalized movies of these types have appeared
on the web in the past, and presumably will continue to do so.
It seems that the Disney Company itself failed to renew copyrights for
some of their regular films also, including "The Mad Doctor" (dir.:
David Hand, 1933) and "Mickey's Yoo-Hoo" (Iwerks, 1929) (digitalized
versions of both films are currently available elsewhere on the net, but
both in very poor quality).
Klaus
Jyri Lehtinen
WC
Message 11 -
2001-02-02 at 17:07:48
> To get this mail on-topic: I just read Rosa's
> "Attaaaack" again, and he
> clearly shows toilets in the money bin there.
>
> --Harry.
Oh yes, haven't yet gone around to the 2nd reading
cause when I finally read it in my own language
(Thanks to the editors of Aku Ankka for great work,
once again!) I truly got the hang of it. I was
somewhat disappointed cause I was hoping for a
adventure tale which Don is very good at. Nice to see
Arpin Lusene or Black Knight (That french guy) again.
I was wondering is he going to bee seen again? I've
read in the Web that Don has said that he isn't going
to create new recurring charecters?
I totally forgot Srooges trailer toilet. I should of
remembered!
Jyri
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> "Attaaaack" again, and he
> clearly shows toilets in the money bin there.
>
> --Harry.
Oh yes, haven't yet gone around to the 2nd reading
cause when I finally read it in my own language
(Thanks to the editors of Aku Ankka for great work,
once again!) I truly got the hang of it. I was
somewhat disappointed cause I was hoping for a
adventure tale which Don is very good at. Nice to see
Arpin Lusene or Black Knight (That french guy) again.
I was wondering is he going to bee seen again? I've
read in the Web that Don has said that he isn't going
to create new recurring charecters?
I totally forgot Srooges trailer toilet. I should of
remembered!
Jyri
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Dr. Archontis Pantsios
"Believe it or Not"
Message 12 -
2001-02-02 at 17:17:56
Fellow Quackeroos:
This month's Greek "ALMANAKO" (it publishes stories staring "Paperinik" and
"Indiana Pipps"), mentions in its column "Believe it or Not", that until a
few years ago, Donald Duck stories were not published in Finland because
Donald does not wear pants!
Knowing that Scandinavia has a long history of Disney comics, I was
wondering if there's a grain of truth in that statement-- and if so, how few
is "a few years ago"?
Cheers,
Archontis
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Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D.
Assistant Academic Dean & Associate Professor of Economics
The American College of Thessaloniki
Thessaloniki, GREECE
tel.: +30 31 398 228
This month's Greek "ALMANAKO" (it publishes stories staring "Paperinik" and
"Indiana Pipps"), mentions in its column "Believe it or Not", that until a
few years ago, Donald Duck stories were not published in Finland because
Donald does not wear pants!
Knowing that Scandinavia has a long history of Disney comics, I was
wondering if there's a grain of truth in that statement-- and if so, how few
is "a few years ago"?
Cheers,
Archontis
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Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D.
Assistant Academic Dean & Associate Professor of Economics
The American College of Thessaloniki
Thessaloniki, GREECE
tel.: +30 31 398 228
Bror.Hellman
"Believe it or Not"
Message 13 -
2001-02-02 at 17:55:26
> Fellow Quackeroos:
> This month's Greek "ALMANAKO" (it publishes stories staring
> "Paperinik" and
> "Indiana Pipps"), mentions in its column "Believe it or Not",
> that until a
> few years ago, Donald Duck stories were not published in
> Finland because
> Donald does not wear pants!
It's been on the list several times before.
There is NO truth whatsoever in the statement.
Donald Duck was never banned. have never been.
Actually, during WW2 they say that Finland was
the only axis power to allow Disney Comics to
be published. I don't know the truth of that
statement. maybe
I remember it well. A Finnish member of parliament proposed
to the Parliament that Donald Duck should be banned from
public schools and dentists and doctors offices because
he didn't wear pants. This happened some fifteen years ago.
He wasn't serious, he didn't actually want to ban it but only
made that proposal to make a point about the sillyness of
some other proposal and used Donald as an example.
It only shows the power of the icon of Donald Duck in Finland
that he is *so* well-known and so part of the finnish culture
so that he could be used this (humorous) way.
Incidentally, in Sweden some years before - someone
(a conservative)in full earnest proposed that Donald Duck
should be banned from the public service television since
he is such a bad role-model for kids and too violent.
Luckily this proposal didn't pass either.
Other Hare-brained proposals include the Swedish PTA
demanding the ban of "Bamse" a Swedish comic with a Bear
from dentists since "he eats a lot of Honey, which is
bad for your teeth" (it fell because it could be argued
that "Bamse" was the only comic where the characters
frequently brushed their teeth.)
Strangely enough, Donald Duck hasn't been seen in Swedish
dentist-waiting rooms since the mid-eighties. Is there a ban
in effect there?
other fun (off-topic fact)
Swedish (former) prime-minister (conservative) gave U.S. Pres
Bill Clinton (dem) a necktie with "Bamse" as a present.
Swedish Jugend-organisation of the conservative party
was appaled since this "Bamse" is (in their terms)
a "communist".
The Swedish Donald Duck party have gathered more votes
than the swedish nazi-, and fascist parties in every election
since 1968.
...
Well.. i read Donald Duck in Sweden, and I think that if someone
really TRIED to ban Donald Duck in Finland - that politician would
loose the next election by a landslide.
// Steamboat Willie
> This month's Greek "ALMANAKO" (it publishes stories staring
> "Paperinik" and
> "Indiana Pipps"), mentions in its column "Believe it or Not",
> that until a
> few years ago, Donald Duck stories were not published in
> Finland because
> Donald does not wear pants!
It's been on the list several times before.
There is NO truth whatsoever in the statement.
Donald Duck was never banned. have never been.
Actually, during WW2 they say that Finland was
the only axis power to allow Disney Comics to
be published. I don't know the truth of that
statement. maybe
I remember it well. A Finnish member of parliament proposed
to the Parliament that Donald Duck should be banned from
public schools and dentists and doctors offices because
he didn't wear pants. This happened some fifteen years ago.
He wasn't serious, he didn't actually want to ban it but only
made that proposal to make a point about the sillyness of
some other proposal and used Donald as an example.
It only shows the power of the icon of Donald Duck in Finland
that he is *so* well-known and so part of the finnish culture
so that he could be used this (humorous) way.
Incidentally, in Sweden some years before - someone
(a conservative)in full earnest proposed that Donald Duck
should be banned from the public service television since
he is such a bad role-model for kids and too violent.
Luckily this proposal didn't pass either.
Other Hare-brained proposals include the Swedish PTA
demanding the ban of "Bamse" a Swedish comic with a Bear
from dentists since "he eats a lot of Honey, which is
bad for your teeth" (it fell because it could be argued
that "Bamse" was the only comic where the characters
frequently brushed their teeth.)
Strangely enough, Donald Duck hasn't been seen in Swedish
dentist-waiting rooms since the mid-eighties. Is there a ban
in effect there?
other fun (off-topic fact)
Swedish (former) prime-minister (conservative) gave U.S. Pres
Bill Clinton (dem) a necktie with "Bamse" as a present.
Swedish Jugend-organisation of the conservative party
was appaled since this "Bamse" is (in their terms)
a "communist".
The Swedish Donald Duck party have gathered more votes
than the swedish nazi-, and fascist parties in every election
since 1968.
...
Well.. i read Donald Duck in Sweden, and I think that if someone
really TRIED to ban Donald Duck in Finland - that politician would
loose the next election by a landslide.
// Steamboat Willie
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Four or five; octal systems; polydactylism
Message 14 -
2001-02-02 at 18:52:08
NILS LID HJORT, 26-01-2001:
> 2. There are examples where a person suddenly and for a short time
> develops an extraneous finger, typically under stressful
> circumstances. [...]
> Gyro Gearloose, in the "Firefly tracker" story, US 27/1959;
> check the "Hey!... That's it! Fireflies!" picture.
This fifth finger on panel 1.5 looks different from the other fingers
(it's longer), so I think it must be a part of Gyro's hand or his
clothes. Not being able to identify what it is instead of a finger,
I do think it does looks a bit odd.
> Donald, in the "Midget racers" story, WD 166/1954; check the
> "Oh, my stars! ..." picture.
The part which seems to be the fifth finger on panel 3.6 looks more
like a part of Donald's hand to me.
> Donald, in the "Omelet" story, WD 146/1952; check the "Umteen tons of
> feed ..." picture.
The part which seems to be the fifth finger on panel 8.5 looks more
like a part of Donald's hand to me.
(Yes, I know how to copy and paste. :-))
> Again, there are many other instances, also for other inhabitants,
> in Barks stories.
Is a list of these instances available?
Best wishes,
--- Daniel, who has heard of people who were born with a sixth
finger. (I'm serious.)
> 2. There are examples where a person suddenly and for a short time
> develops an extraneous finger, typically under stressful
> circumstances. [...]
> Gyro Gearloose, in the "Firefly tracker" story, US 27/1959;
> check the "Hey!... That's it! Fireflies!" picture.
This fifth finger on panel 1.5 looks different from the other fingers
(it's longer), so I think it must be a part of Gyro's hand or his
clothes. Not being able to identify what it is instead of a finger,
I do think it does looks a bit odd.
> Donald, in the "Midget racers" story, WD 166/1954; check the
> "Oh, my stars! ..." picture.
The part which seems to be the fifth finger on panel 3.6 looks more
like a part of Donald's hand to me.
> Donald, in the "Omelet" story, WD 146/1952; check the "Umteen tons of
> feed ..." picture.
The part which seems to be the fifth finger on panel 8.5 looks more
like a part of Donald's hand to me.
(Yes, I know how to copy and paste. :-))
> Again, there are many other instances, also for other inhabitants,
> in Barks stories.
Is a list of these instances available?
Best wishes,
--- Daniel, who has heard of people who were born with a sixth
finger. (I'm serious.)
John Garvin
DCML digest, Vol 1 #396 - 6 msgs
Message 15 -
2001-02-02 at 19:05:25
Don wrote:
*In fact, according to these 1902 plans for the Money Bin, it seems that the
Keno Rosa Co. (which was established in 1900) was commissioned to supply
the ceramic mosaic floors in $crooge's private quarters.*
Of course in reality, Scrooge never used _any_ business that he didn't own
outright. :)
*In fact, according to these 1902 plans for the Money Bin, it seems that the
Keno Rosa Co. (which was established in 1900) was commissioned to supply
the ceramic mosaic floors in $crooge's private quarters.*
Of course in reality, Scrooge never used _any_ business that he didn't own
outright. :)