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John Garvin wrote:

>Of course in reality, Scrooge never used _any_ business that he didn't own
>outright. :)

I can believe that. Scrooge let flood the money and never can doubt of his
kindless about the worker people.

Fabio Blanco
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Bonvolu postu al: longtom at oeste.com.ar

This is mentioned in the Disney section of the Urban Legends website
(www.snopes.com). I can't recall if it's true or not.

>From: "Dr. Archontis Pantsios" <apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: "Believe it or Not"
>Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:17:56 +0200
>
>Fellow Quackeroos:
>
>This month's Greek "ALMANAKO" (it publishes stories staring "Paperinik" and
>"Indiana Pipps"), mentions in its column "Believe it or Not", that until a
>few years ago, Donald Duck stories were not published in Finland because
>Donald does not wear pants!
>
>Knowing that Scandinavia has a long history of Disney comics, I was
>wondering if there's a grain of truth in that statement-- and if so, how
>few
>is "a few years ago"?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Archontis
>
>
>
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In a message dated 2/2/01 6:04:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, dve at kabelfoon.nl
writes:

> WDC 60-02
> As part of Donald's feather ornament, Nazi crosses can be seen. (panel 5.4)
>
>

Without looking at the particular Barks books, and assuming you are talking
about the swastika rather than the iron cross; the Nazis "borrowed" this
widely used symbol from other cultures. Many native American cultures used
this in their artwork. Prior to WW2, it may not have any nazi meaning
(indeed, the ACE pulp magazine company used it as their cover emblem in the
1930s).

Steven Rowe

STEVEN ROWE, 2 FEBRUARY 2001:

> Without looking at the particular Barks books, and assuming you
> are talking about the swastika rather than the iron cross;
> the Nazis "borrowed" this widely used symbol from other cultures.
> Many native American cultures used this in their artwork. Prior
> to WW2, it may not have any nazi meaning (indeed, the ACE pulp
> magazine company used it as their cover emblem in the 1930s).

Thanks for correcting me. I knew that the Nazi/iron cross has been
used long before World War II (about 1000 years?), but I wasn't
aware of the word "swastika" having a different meaning than
"Nazi/iron cross".

As can be seen in the update below, I've corrected the WWII references
list. Please let me know if it's still done in an improper way.

I've also added the still missing references which have been mentioned
here in the past days.

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In some of Barks' stories (mostly from the early forties) there are
references to World War?II, or at least World War?II phenomenae:

(Unchanged entries are omitted. These are mentioned in my previous email.)

WDC 60-02 (corrected)
As part of Donald's feather ornament, swastikas can be seen. See the
note below. (panel?5.4)

WDC 84-02 (new)
Donald, just before he attacks a big man at a bus stop: "I'll give him the
flying arm-lock that I learned in commando school!" (panel 7.7) As a
result, the big man is running away and yelling: "What ran into me - A
Tiger tank?" (panel 8.1) As this story was made in 1947, it's likely that
"Tiger tank" means the infamous WWII German Tiger tank. (Maybe a hidden
joke could be that the big man Donald beat up was a war veteran?)

WDC 142-02 (corrected)
As part of Donald's grumbling, a swastika can be seen. See the note below.
(panel?9.8)

OS 147-02 (corrected)
As part of the Volcano Valley president's grumbling, a swastika can be
seen. See the note below. (panel?18.5)

OS 189-02 (new)
"With some chemical spray I stole from a foreign spy during the war!"
Though it's not literally being said, this war could very well be meant as
being World War?II. (panel?31.6)

Note:
Since the swastika isn't related to the Nazi's iron cross only, it's a
matter of debate whether or not a swastika should be counted as a WWII
reference. The Nazis "borrowed" this widely used symbol from other
cultures. For example, many native American cultures used the swastika
in their artwork. Prior to WW2, it may not have any Nazi meaning. (The
ACE pulp magazine company used it as their cover emblem in the 1930s.)

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Sources: Information on OS?189-02 taken from an email by Carey Furlong,
sent to the Disney comics Mailing List on 30?January 2001 (digest
Vol01#394). Information on WDC?84-02 taken from an email by Simo Malinen,
sent to the DCML on 1?February 2001 (digest Vol01#396). Information on
swastikas taken from an email by Steven Rowe, sent to the DCML on 2
February 2001 (digest Vol01#397).

Best wishes,

--- Daniel

STEVEN:

> Without looking at the particular Barks books, and assuming you are talking
> about the swastika rather than the iron cross; the Nazis "borrowed" this
> widely used symbol from other cultures. Many native American cultures used
> this in their artwork. Prior to WW2, it may not have any nazi meaning
> (indeed, the ACE pulp magazine company used it as their cover emblem in the
> 1930s).

Translating from an article in a Greek encyclopaedia published in the
1920s, before the Nazi era:

"(Sanskrit word, swastika or svastica). Extremely ancient decorative design,
generally interpretted as a sun symbol, depicting a cross having four equal
arms that are bent at the edge so that they form right angles. The swastika
was widely distributed throughout the world. It is found on Egyptian reliefs,
Greek pottery of the archaic period and of the Aegean civilization period, and
in India as a religious symbol. It has many variations regarding its shape."

Givel its use in ancient Greece and India, I would assume that the Nazis
used the swastika as an Aryan sun symbol, even though its use was more
widespread.

Interpretting it as a Greek sun symbol, Heinrich Schliemann, the
archaeologist who discovered Troy, had swastikas used as a decorative
element on the railing outside his house in the center of Athens,
surprising modern passers-by who are only familiar with the Nazi use of
the symbol!

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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"The Malus is pure evil. Given enough energy it will not only destroy him,
but everything else... Cheer up!"
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HARRY FLUKS to me, 29-01-2001:

>>> This mailing list is about Disney comics. Not about the basics of
>>> designing a web page.

>> This mailing list also isn't about attacking other people's sites,
>> neither about spelling correcting.

> The spelling correcting is one of my annoying habits, which I can't
> suppress sometimes. I think a website (and an e-mail message) should
> at least have *some* level of readability. In Kenneth's first mails,
> it was way below what I consider the minimum for readability.

I still could understand the emails, so they were not below my standard
for readability. However, what I tried to say was that the subject about
spelling made you go off-topic while you were warning for an off-topic
subject (webpage design) yourself.

> About attacking other people's sites: I really felt insulted.

I don't know what you mean with "insulted" in this context. As far
as I know there were no bad references to you on the site, so I don't
see a connection with being insulted.

> So I attacked the thing that attacked me.

Unless I missed an attack to you on the site, I also don't understand
why you felt attacked. Please explain.

> There have been some schools where they had lectures about the
> internet. The teacher taught the children to make a web site and
> get as many visitors as possible. [mentions tricks]
> When Kenneth did just that, and also admitted that he is not going
> to use an HTML editor or won't start learning HTML, I could only
> conclude that he was doing what I described above.

Even if this would have been the case, I think you should be angry
towards the teacher instead of the pupil.

>> Best wishes,

> Are you sure?

Yes, of course. I've been sure of that ever since I met you in 1990.
Do you really doubt this or are you being sarcastic? (Or both?)

Best wishes,

--- Daniel

My dear friends,

Next saturday, Renato Canini, probably one of the best brazilian Disney artists of al time, will receive the "comic book master"(Mestre dos Quadrinhos), premiun here in Brazil! He will not be on the premiation, on a comic shop here in S?o Paulo, so the premiun will be received by Waldyr Igayara, old friend, Disney artist and ex-editorial director on Abril "good age" time! I will give you more details, and, probably, some pictures of this event.

Canini is livign on Pelotas, Rio Grande do Sul(As you, Al?pio! ;). I think he has 66 years old now.
I'm very anxious to it! :)

Canini is one of my major influences!
Fernando!

In a message dated 02/04/2001 10:46:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Candico86 at aol.com writes:

<< I was reading the Don Rosa timeline a few days ago and he mentioned the
depression or the collapse of the stock exchange in Duckburg. In real life,
during that time thousands of people lost their whole fortunes and that time
was at the peak of Scrooge's fortune. Just one year later he became the
worlds richest duck. If Don or anybody else knows how Scrooge could have
maintained his vast and humongus fortune during the depression, I would like
to know how. Thank you. >>

Sure, people lost their money because they had it tied in investments that
turned bad. Or banks that went insolvent (this was before -in the usa-
savings and checking were insured by the usa goverment). Scrooge had his
investments in cash money at home.
In times of high inflation, that's a bad idea (investments are better) -
but hey, Scrooge was always a lucky duck.

Steven Rowe