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>Has the poem been published in print? If so, which version/transcription
>was used as source?

I first read this poem in a scandinavian comic book that someone on this
mailing list sent me. I can't remember if it was Aku Ankka, or a Dutch or
Norweigian one....but it was published on the inside cover in both the
native language and english (which was the only part of the entire comic I
was actually able to read).

rebecca

"Narf"

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I don?t know if it has already been said on the list, but there is a
picture of one stamps on
http://www.akuankka.fi/uutisankka.asp?path=1;466;1171

The picture doesn?t load correctly if you use Netscape. Netscape users:
http://www.sit.fi/~levanenk/stamp.jpg

-kenda-

ETA, RICH and others...

People are asking about Donald's dog "Fido"...
No, he isn't the same as Bolivar. For reasons unknown to me, Bolivar
and Behemoth were dropped from the Donald daily strip around 1950 and
replaced with Fido, a rather generic spaniel-type dog. Originally shaded so
he was white with black ears, but I've seen him colored any which way in
various reprints (including some dailies in recent Egmont weeklies).
The bloodhound, Plasma, whom Eta found is a different character.

Best,
David

> > 2. Question about cursing / Oliver (Daniel van Eijmeren)
> > > "Nom de dieu" = "for God's sake" !

> Barks used that "doggone" as replacement for "god dammit".

Does anyone know the background behind "doggone"?

"Doggone" or "Dog gone" is one of the most classic of
Donald Ducks expressions in the animated shorts.

I think Carl Barks got hus "diggon" from the
shorts.

Is "doggone" something unique to
Donald (Clarence Nash?) or was it common in
America in the thirties/forties?

// Steamboat Willie

"For Old Dime's Sake" has nothing to do with a curse, mild or otherwise. It
refers to the phrase "for old times' sake," which is hard to define, but
means roughly -- because of past pleasurable experiences. For example, if
you were to ask a favor of someone you had once known well, but had not
contacted them for many years, you might ask them to grant the favor in
memory of the good times of the past -- "for old times' sake."

In a message dated 2/16/01 7:04:09 AM, dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:

<<
Donald has supposedly been asleep 40 whole years
and believes it's now 1990. Well, even 10 years later
it doesn't quite look like that, fortunately.>>

Ah, yes! We've been going through some years well covered in prominent
media science fiction without incident...those of us who saw 1984 come and go
with no sign (well, not TOO many signs) of Big Brother have now lived through
1999 without the moon being sent into space, 2000 AD free of the likes of
Judge Dredd, and now, alas, are in 2001 with no giant black monoliths or
space stations with Howard Johnson's restaurants on them. (Indeed, the space
station is now more likely to become reality than the Howard Johnson's
restaurant on it...)

<<It's hard to translate into a language one's not entirely fmiliar with, but
leaving it
untranslated is sometimes even worse... :-) One classical example is a
Swedish
slogan for the swedish Donald Duck (Kalle Anka & C:o) "Full fart med Kalle
Anka & C:o"
(Translation: "Full speed with ...") but many americans find this amusing...
:-)
Especially when the slogan is published together with a Barks-drawing of a
Firefighter
Donald with a dustcloud behind his tailfeathers.. :-)

I presume that such a sign would be offensive to many english speaking
persons
SOMEWHERE if it wasn't translated. >>

Don't go there...especially when Don Rosa still hasn't forgiven Disney for
its flatulence jokes in THE LION KING? (Although, now that I think of it, are
they any worse than what Disney once did with Donald himself...in the WWII
cartoon "Der Fuhrer's Face" with its lyrics, "Ve heil...heil...right in der
Fuhrer's face?" (Complete with appropriate sound effects, which I don't
recall from THE LION KING.)

But perfectly innocent words have a different meaning in different
languages. (Not too long ago I saw a French comic book translation of a
famous Warner Bros. cartoon series: SYLVESTER ET TWEETY. I could just imagine
Sylvester licking his lips at THAT prospect...)

<<People are asking about Donald's dog "Fido"...
No, he isn't the same as Bolivar. For reasons unknown to me, Bolivar
and Behemoth were dropped from the Donald daily strip around 1950 and
replaced with Fido, a rather generic spaniel-type dog. Originally shaded so
he was white with black ears, but I've seen him colored any which way in
various reprints (including some dailies in recent Egmont weeklies).>>

Well, since we know that Al Taliaferro based Bolivar on his own dog, and
real dogs, unlike Disney characters, are only mortal, I wouldn't be surprised
if he eventually lost his dog and acquired a new one, so had Donald do the
same. In fact, I seem to recall reading that he did just that, though I can't
cite the source.

<<The bloodhound, Plasma, whom Eta found is a different character.
>>

Obviously different from a St. Bernard or a spaniel...and I presume
anyone on the list would recognize him if he were based on a famous Disney
bloodhound like Pluto or General Snozzle (the Official Hound) or even Trusty
(from LADY AND THE TRAMP and its spinoff series in the comics featuring the
title characters' son Scamp). When and where did Plasma appear, and did he
belong to Donald, the Junior Woodchucks, or someone else?

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "timo ronkainen" <timoro at hotmail.com>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:25 PM
Subject: RE: Question about cursing

> > 2. Question about cursing / Oliver (Daniel van Eijmeren)
> > > "Nom de dieu" = "for God's sake" !
>
> Barks used that "doggone" as replacement for "god dammit".

But Gottfredson used the replacement earlier than Barks.