> From: Frank Stajano [mailto:fstajano at uk.research.att.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 2:19 PM
> > and typographical errors (for instance, the printer insisted
> > on spelling
> > "Atalanta" as "Atlanta" on page 199, even though the
> > spelling was correct in my manuscript).
> By the way, what is Atalanta for an American?
See http://www.seriesam.com/barks/s_wdc144-u.htm for a summary about the
"Golden Apples" story. The text was taken from Barrier's book, *including*
the spelling "Atlanta". 8-)
--Harry.
Author
Topic: 200102
(245 messages)
Fluks, H.W.
Frank: Barrier book
Message 151 -
2001-02-15 at 10:30:32
Don Rosa
Digest #410
Message 152 -
2001-02-15 at 15:11:36
From: Apostolis Trikourakis <komixgreekpage at yahoo.com>
>>>Is Malcolm McDuck related with the history of
Duckburg? And if yes, how is he related?
I read that Malcolm sailed together with Sir Francis
Drake for the America land.
Rather than me try to hunt down where I or somebody might have said that,
since you know that you read it somewhere, perhaps you can recall where you
read it. Then I can see who said it.
As I recall (at my computer-station, *far* from my "studio") "Malcolm" is
the name I gave to Barks' "Matey" McDuck since I deemed "Matey" to
apparently be a nickname. Barks stated that he was a British sailor during
Drake's time, so it would be just the sort of thing I would do to write
somewhere (?) that he was aboard the Golden Hind when Drake claimed the
lost land of New Albion for England (which I decided was present day
Calisota). But I doubt that there's more I would wish to mine in that
matter, it's what Cornelius Coot did centuries later that would be more
interesting to develop further, and surely I'll muck about there someday.
But right now I'm on the opposite side of the continent doing yet another
story involving Christopher Columbus (my third usage of him, and I think
that'll do) and other historical figures in a quest for the Crown of the
Crusader Kings. This would have been the story where $crooge searches for
the Holy Grail and/or the Ark of the Covenant, but since those items have
too much religious background to them, I had to search out a secular part
of that lost treasure trove of Medieval Europe, and our own
professor-of-history-in-residence, the afore-mentioned in Digest #410,
Prof. ?ystein S?rensen of the University of Oslo (whose name I must copy
over from Nils' message because I can't type those '?' thingamajigs on my
keyboard) suggested this Crown.
>>>Is Malcolm McDuck related with the history of
Duckburg? And if yes, how is he related?
I read that Malcolm sailed together with Sir Francis
Drake for the America land.
Rather than me try to hunt down where I or somebody might have said that,
since you know that you read it somewhere, perhaps you can recall where you
read it. Then I can see who said it.
As I recall (at my computer-station, *far* from my "studio") "Malcolm" is
the name I gave to Barks' "Matey" McDuck since I deemed "Matey" to
apparently be a nickname. Barks stated that he was a British sailor during
Drake's time, so it would be just the sort of thing I would do to write
somewhere (?) that he was aboard the Golden Hind when Drake claimed the
lost land of New Albion for England (which I decided was present day
Calisota). But I doubt that there's more I would wish to mine in that
matter, it's what Cornelius Coot did centuries later that would be more
interesting to develop further, and surely I'll muck about there someday.
But right now I'm on the opposite side of the continent doing yet another
story involving Christopher Columbus (my third usage of him, and I think
that'll do) and other historical figures in a quest for the Crown of the
Crusader Kings. This would have been the story where $crooge searches for
the Holy Grail and/or the Ark of the Covenant, but since those items have
too much religious background to them, I had to search out a secular part
of that lost treasure trove of Medieval Europe, and our own
professor-of-history-in-residence, the afore-mentioned in Digest #410,
Prof. ?ystein S?rensen of the University of Oslo (whose name I must copy
over from Nils' message because I can't type those '?' thingamajigs on my
keyboard) suggested this Crown.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Daniel's version of Barks' ode
Message 153 -
2001-02-15 at 17:33:19
MARCO BARLOTTI to me, 10 FEBRUARY 2001:
>> Below you'll see a transciption of a xerox sent to me by a Barks
>> fan. There are some small differences with the transcription in
>> digest Vol 1 #402.
>> [...]
>> Written note (by Carl Barks) in the lower left corner, in an angle
>> of minus 90 degrees:
> Is this hand-written? Are you saying that we might consider your
> version to be the "original" version?
I have no idea about versions. As I understood the Barks fan who sent
it to me, Barks himself sent this xerox to a fan. So, the xerox
I have must at least be a third generation away from the original.
(Barks -> fan 1 -> fan 2 -> me.)
As sent by Barks, the handwritten note was also xeroxed. So, I have
no idea if this note was pasted in from an earlier version (used as
source for the transcription in #402), for example by someone
(if anyone) who did the typewriting, or if Barks himself
wrote the note onto the version as he sent it to the fan.
> But if your fax has a note hand-written by Barks, then we should
> take THIS one as the real version!
The xerox I have doesn't come from a fax, as far as I can see.
I think it would be interesting to know if the transcription of
digest #402 was transcribed from a typewritten version, too, or
from a handwritten version by Barks himself.
Some questions:
Was there a certain reason for Barks to write this poem? Was it intended
for a publication or as gift for fans, maybe even with this mailing list
in mind? As far as I remember, it was "first published" on this mailing
list (in/around March 1999?).
Has the poem been published in print? If so, which version/transcription
was used as source?
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
>> Below you'll see a transciption of a xerox sent to me by a Barks
>> fan. There are some small differences with the transcription in
>> digest Vol 1 #402.
>> [...]
>> Written note (by Carl Barks) in the lower left corner, in an angle
>> of minus 90 degrees:
> Is this hand-written? Are you saying that we might consider your
> version to be the "original" version?
I have no idea about versions. As I understood the Barks fan who sent
it to me, Barks himself sent this xerox to a fan. So, the xerox
I have must at least be a third generation away from the original.
(Barks -> fan 1 -> fan 2 -> me.)
As sent by Barks, the handwritten note was also xeroxed. So, I have
no idea if this note was pasted in from an earlier version (used as
source for the transcription in #402), for example by someone
(if anyone) who did the typewriting, or if Barks himself
wrote the note onto the version as he sent it to the fan.
> But if your fax has a note hand-written by Barks, then we should
> take THIS one as the real version!
The xerox I have doesn't come from a fax, as far as I can see.
I think it would be interesting to know if the transcription of
digest #402 was transcribed from a typewritten version, too, or
from a handwritten version by Barks himself.
Some questions:
Was there a certain reason for Barks to write this poem? Was it intended
for a publication or as gift for fans, maybe even with this mailing list
in mind? As far as I remember, it was "first published" on this mailing
list (in/around March 1999?).
Has the poem been published in print? If so, which version/transcription
was used as source?
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
Frank Stajano
The second-biggest frog
Message 154 -
2001-02-15 at 17:49:32
At 2001-02-14 14:16 +0100, Fran?ois Willot wrote:
> > Where did you learn the last word above? Franquin's Gaston perhaps? Do you
> > know what it means?
>
>Indeed Gaston (ask our Italian Gaston expert Eta Beta about it). The later
>means "Nom de dieu" = "for God's sake" !
The question was not "What does it mean?" but "Do you know what it means?".
*I* knew what it meant -- I just wondered if the people who repeated it as
a cute comic-style curse knew that they were uttering a mild blasphemy.
Note that, as far as I am personally concerned, I am not in the least
upset by this, being an atheist. But, to those who follow a religion that
orders them not to pronounce the name of their God in vain, it might be
shocking to discover that they just voiced a euphemistically disguised
placeholder for "name of God".
Similarly embarrassing might be the situation of a non-religious person
saying something like that (without knowledge of the meaning) in the
presence of religious people who instead understood it.
There are many other similar cases. The DCML members who are also pikers
might remember "silverware". The latest I've come across (only through
retelling, though, so I can't give you any first-hand guarantees about the
accuracy) is that of Japanese girls happily and unknowingly wearing with
T-shirts that sport fashionably foreign writings in an unintelligible
script and language --- which turn out to be unflattering and/or sexually
oriented comments about the wearer, written in English.
Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/
> > Where did you learn the last word above? Franquin's Gaston perhaps? Do you
> > know what it means?
>
>Indeed Gaston (ask our Italian Gaston expert Eta Beta about it). The later
>means "Nom de dieu" = "for God's sake" !
The question was not "What does it mean?" but "Do you know what it means?".
*I* knew what it meant -- I just wondered if the people who repeated it as
a cute comic-style curse knew that they were uttering a mild blasphemy.
Note that, as far as I am personally concerned, I am not in the least
upset by this, being an atheist. But, to those who follow a religion that
orders them not to pronounce the name of their God in vain, it might be
shocking to discover that they just voiced a euphemistically disguised
placeholder for "name of God".
Similarly embarrassing might be the situation of a non-religious person
saying something like that (without knowledge of the meaning) in the
presence of religious people who instead understood it.
There are many other similar cases. The DCML members who are also pikers
might remember "silverware". The latest I've come across (only through
retelling, though, so I can't give you any first-hand guarantees about the
accuracy) is that of Japanese girls happily and unknowingly wearing with
T-shirts that sport fashionably foreign writings in an unintelligible
script and language --- which turn out to be unflattering and/or sexually
oriented comments about the wearer, written in English.
Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/
Frank Stajano
DCML digest, Vol 1 #409 - 10 msgs
Message 155 -
2001-02-15 at 17:58:06
At 2001-02-14 08:31 -0800, Mister Fiskin wrote:
>For an American --or anyone else for that matter-- Atalanta is a character
>from Greek myth.
Thanks for the interesting explanation!
Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/
>For an American --or anyone else for that matter-- Atalanta is a character
>from Greek myth.
Thanks for the interesting explanation!
Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/
Eta Beta
Donald's dog(s) [RICH]
Message 156 -
2001-02-15 at 18:38:57
RICH
>Recently it was mentioned that Donald had a dog named Fido
>in the dailies.
>(1) Does anyone know Fido's first appearance?
>(2) What Fido's prominent traits were?
I recently read a sunday page, guess from late 50s-early 60s,
where Donald has a bloodhound, used here to track the nephews
plying hookey on their music lessons... the dog's name in the
italian reprint I have is, however, PLASMA... now, that's a
truly weird name for a dog, in italian at least, so I imagine
it could even be the original one...
>(3) And can someone point me to a scan of a comicstrip
>depicting Fido, or, at least a scan of Fido himself?
I might come up with a scan of Plasma, as soon as I track down
the relevant "Topolino" issue...
Cheers
Eta Beta
>Recently it was mentioned that Donald had a dog named Fido
>in the dailies.
>(1) Does anyone know Fido's first appearance?
>(2) What Fido's prominent traits were?
I recently read a sunday page, guess from late 50s-early 60s,
where Donald has a bloodhound, used here to track the nephews
plying hookey on their music lessons... the dog's name in the
italian reprint I have is, however, PLASMA... now, that's a
truly weird name for a dog, in italian at least, so I imagine
it could even be the original one...
>(3) And can someone point me to a scan of a comicstrip
>depicting Fido, or, at least a scan of Fido himself?
I might come up with a scan of Plasma, as soon as I track down
the relevant "Topolino" issue...
Cheers
Eta Beta
Apostolis Trikourakis
Digest #410
Message 157 -
2001-02-15 at 19:45:15
Don Rosa wrote:
> Rather than me try to hunt down where I or somebody
> might have said that,
> since you know that you read it somewhere, perhaps
> you can recall where you
> read it. Then I can see who said it
I read it on Duckhunt, on Sigvald's "History of
Duckburg" section.
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/palace/439/duckburg/chapter1.html
I never knew that a McDuck traveled in 1579 from
Scotland to America!
> Barks stated that he was a British sailor during
> Drake's time, so it would be just the sort of thing
> I would do to write
> somewhere (?) that he was aboard the Golden Hind
>when Drake claimed the
> lost land of New Albion for England (which I decided
> was present day Calisota)
In which story Carl Barks giving us that info?
Best Wishes
Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix at compulink.gr & komixgreekpage at yahoo.com
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
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> Rather than me try to hunt down where I or somebody
> might have said that,
> since you know that you read it somewhere, perhaps
> you can recall where you
> read it. Then I can see who said it
I read it on Duckhunt, on Sigvald's "History of
Duckburg" section.
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/palace/439/duckburg/chapter1.html
I never knew that a McDuck traveled in 1579 from
Scotland to America!
> Barks stated that he was a British sailor during
> Drake's time, so it would be just the sort of thing
> I would do to write
> somewhere (?) that he was aboard the Golden Hind
>when Drake claimed the
> lost land of New Albion for England (which I decided
> was present day Calisota)
In which story Carl Barks giving us that info?
Best Wishes
Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix at compulink.gr & komixgreekpage at yahoo.com
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New Subscriber
Message 158 -
2001-02-15 at 19:49:38
Hello everyone!
My name is Olivier, I am 26, and I live in Paris, France,
where I teach English at the University.
Same old story: I grew up reading Disney comics and eventually
found out the majority of the stories I liked most were by Carl Barks
and Floyd Gottfredson, and did my best to collect their stories in
the original language. It goes without saying (?) I also adore the stories
of Keno Don Rosa, William Van Horn, Al Taliaferro, ...
I have been following and enjoying the discussions on the DCML for some
time now. But I kept postponing subscribing to it. Also I created a site of
my own a year ago, and wanted it to be in good shape first:
http://members.nbci.com/mouse_ducks
(Questions, advice and criticism welcome-- by the way, I haven't changed
the e-mail link on the site yet: please write to the present address)
Unfortunately, I could not update it for several months due to technical
reasons, as explained in the News section. I'll update it soon now.
Thanks to the subscribers who kindly linked to it and wrote me and to
those of you who kept visiting it.
All the best,
Olivier
(Sorry; this introduction is a bit too long)
My name is Olivier, I am 26, and I live in Paris, France,
where I teach English at the University.
Same old story: I grew up reading Disney comics and eventually
found out the majority of the stories I liked most were by Carl Barks
and Floyd Gottfredson, and did my best to collect their stories in
the original language. It goes without saying (?) I also adore the stories
of Keno Don Rosa, William Van Horn, Al Taliaferro, ...
I have been following and enjoying the discussions on the DCML for some
time now. But I kept postponing subscribing to it. Also I created a site of
my own a year ago, and wanted it to be in good shape first:
http://members.nbci.com/mouse_ducks
(Questions, advice and criticism welcome-- by the way, I haven't changed
the e-mail link on the site yet: please write to the present address)
Unfortunately, I could not update it for several months due to technical
reasons, as explained in the News section. I'll update it soon now.
Thanks to the subscribers who kindly linked to it and wrote me and to
those of you who kept visiting it.
All the best,
Olivier
(Sorry; this introduction is a bit too long)
Olivier
Woooops
Message 159 -
2001-02-15 at 20:05:41
Sorry, beginner's mistake:
I used the wrong e-mail...
Please use only:
mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr
I used the wrong e-mail...
Please use only:
mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr
Olivier
Daniel's version of Barks' Ode & Frogs et Al
Message 160 -
2001-02-15 at 21:07:35
>>Was there a certain reason for Barks to write this poem? Was it intended
>>for a publication or as gift for fans, maybe even with this mailing list
>>in mind? As far as I remember, it was "first published" on this mailing
>>list (in/around March 1999?).
>>Has the poem been published in print? If so, which version/transcription
>>was used as source?
Barks' poem was published in issue 331 of "Picsou Magazine" (Ao?t 1999).
It was the same version as the one you posted on February 9.
It was printed in English (!) with a translation, and the title was "Ode to the
Disney Ducks".
A short paragraph introduced it:
"This little poetic ode was written by Carl Barks a few months ago to thank
the many readers who sent a little note for his birthday, on March 27, 1999.
Since there were quite a lot of you who participated, it is only natural that
we show you his luminescent response, so that it may shine a happy glow
on your vacations!"
>>Wasn't there one in the early '60's where Gyro invented a
>>machine that could create what we now know as virtual reality...and Donald
>>used it to show how fascinating a world just like their own, except that
>>everything (except the ducks) was ten, then a hundred, then a thousand times
>>larger, could be. I'm almost positive they saw some giant (comparatively)
>>frogs during that story...
That's WDC&S 199, April 1957 ("Donald's Big Imagination", CBL in color Album 32--
among my favorite albums & stories). It very well could have been, indeed, but no,
there weren't any frogs. Donald and the nephews "only" met:
- grasshoppers, flies, a cow, a hen and her chicks, and a mouse,
on Jupiter ("eleven times enlarged")
- gnats, a grasshopper,
on Phonus Artichokus, "which is about 2300 times bigger than the Earth"
- a grasshopper and chicken pox germs
on Betelgeuse
Olivier
PS: I hope I fixed the MIME setting so the message won't be crammed
with lines of code. All my apologies for the inconvenience.
And this time I did use the right and only e-mail: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr .
; )
>>for a publication or as gift for fans, maybe even with this mailing list
>>in mind? As far as I remember, it was "first published" on this mailing
>>list (in/around March 1999?).
>>Has the poem been published in print? If so, which version/transcription
>>was used as source?
Barks' poem was published in issue 331 of "Picsou Magazine" (Ao?t 1999).
It was the same version as the one you posted on February 9.
It was printed in English (!) with a translation, and the title was "Ode to the
Disney Ducks".
A short paragraph introduced it:
"This little poetic ode was written by Carl Barks a few months ago to thank
the many readers who sent a little note for his birthday, on March 27, 1999.
Since there were quite a lot of you who participated, it is only natural that
we show you his luminescent response, so that it may shine a happy glow
on your vacations!"
>>Wasn't there one in the early '60's where Gyro invented a
>>machine that could create what we now know as virtual reality...and Donald
>>used it to show how fascinating a world just like their own, except that
>>everything (except the ducks) was ten, then a hundred, then a thousand times
>>larger, could be. I'm almost positive they saw some giant (comparatively)
>>frogs during that story...
That's WDC&S 199, April 1957 ("Donald's Big Imagination", CBL in color Album 32--
among my favorite albums & stories). It very well could have been, indeed, but no,
there weren't any frogs. Donald and the nephews "only" met:
- grasshoppers, flies, a cow, a hen and her chicks, and a mouse,
on Jupiter ("eleven times enlarged")
- gnats, a grasshopper,
on Phonus Artichokus, "which is about 2300 times bigger than the Earth"
- a grasshopper and chicken pox germs
on Betelgeuse
Olivier
PS: I hope I fixed the MIME setting so the message won't be crammed
with lines of code. All my apologies for the inconvenience.
And this time I did use the right and only e-mail: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr .
; )
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks, virtual reality and the Digital Age in general
Message 161 -
2001-02-15 at 22:04:55
RICH MORRISSON, 13 FEBRUARY 2001
> Wasn't there one in the early '60's where Gyro invented a
> machine that could create what we now know as virtual reality...
> and Donald used it to show how fascinating a world just like their
> own, except that everything (except the ducks) was ten, then a
> hundred, then a thousand times larger, could be.
This is the untitled ten-pager "Gyro's Imagination Invention" (WDC 199).
Here are some other stories which make me think of the "Digital Age":
"The Many Faces of Magica de Spell" (US 48)
The scene of the birds contacting each other looks like an early version
of the internet. The Carl Barks Library contains an article by Geoffrey
Blum about this story, where he thinks of a connection between this scene
and mass communication (in general).
"Stranger Than Fiction" (WDC 249)
Gyro's invention makes me think of uploading and downloading. Even though
it's (still?) impossible to send or receive (for example) food and living
creatures, we already (in a way) do have the possibility to send
photographs, movies and music.
A few weeks ago I saw a programme on "Discovery" (it could also have been
"National Geographic") about inventors/scientists who don't rule out the
possibility that it may become possible to make an invention like Gyro's
transmitter in WDC 249. (This is my description, no reference to Barks or
comics was made.)
But then, they also didn't rule out time-traveling. They thought that even
though such inventions sound impossible, they still keep thinking about
discovering possibilities because flying also seemed impossible in the
past.
Maybe it would be interesting to find inventions in Barks' comics which
didn't exist (or were at least rather unknown) at the time, but do exist
today.
"Island in the Sky" (US 29) contains a space station, which is used in a
way that may become possible within 10 years. Companies are already
thinking of space traveling for tourists, so maybe it will be possible
for the modern Uncle Scrooges to easily make a space travel without
all-too-much effort (like in Barks' comics).
About time-traveling: I don't think I would welcome this if it was
possible. If I would ask people what they did yesterday, their answer
could be: "Well, we spent a day in Paris, but at the end of the day we
decided to do the day over again by going to Rome instead."
But maybe time-traveling will become possible? Maybe the giant sales
of comics in the fifties have been caused by future collectors going
back in time to get their comics right from the stands? :-)
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
"A truck! Ha, ha! That was a COMET!
The highway patrol uses 'em to chase speeders!"
(which story?) :-)
> Wasn't there one in the early '60's where Gyro invented a
> machine that could create what we now know as virtual reality...
> and Donald used it to show how fascinating a world just like their
> own, except that everything (except the ducks) was ten, then a
> hundred, then a thousand times larger, could be.
This is the untitled ten-pager "Gyro's Imagination Invention" (WDC 199).
Here are some other stories which make me think of the "Digital Age":
"The Many Faces of Magica de Spell" (US 48)
The scene of the birds contacting each other looks like an early version
of the internet. The Carl Barks Library contains an article by Geoffrey
Blum about this story, where he thinks of a connection between this scene
and mass communication (in general).
"Stranger Than Fiction" (WDC 249)
Gyro's invention makes me think of uploading and downloading. Even though
it's (still?) impossible to send or receive (for example) food and living
creatures, we already (in a way) do have the possibility to send
photographs, movies and music.
A few weeks ago I saw a programme on "Discovery" (it could also have been
"National Geographic") about inventors/scientists who don't rule out the
possibility that it may become possible to make an invention like Gyro's
transmitter in WDC 249. (This is my description, no reference to Barks or
comics was made.)
But then, they also didn't rule out time-traveling. They thought that even
though such inventions sound impossible, they still keep thinking about
discovering possibilities because flying also seemed impossible in the
past.
Maybe it would be interesting to find inventions in Barks' comics which
didn't exist (or were at least rather unknown) at the time, but do exist
today.
"Island in the Sky" (US 29) contains a space station, which is used in a
way that may become possible within 10 years. Companies are already
thinking of space traveling for tourists, so maybe it will be possible
for the modern Uncle Scrooges to easily make a space travel without
all-too-much effort (like in Barks' comics).
About time-traveling: I don't think I would welcome this if it was
possible. If I would ask people what they did yesterday, their answer
could be: "Well, we spent a day in Paris, but at the end of the day we
decided to do the day over again by going to Rome instead."
But maybe time-traveling will become possible? Maybe the giant sales
of comics in the fifties have been caused by future collectors going
back in time to get their comics right from the stands? :-)
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
"A truck! Ha, ha! That was a COMET!
The highway patrol uses 'em to chase speeders!"
(which story?) :-)
Stefan Persson
Daniel's version of Barks' ode
Message 162 -
2001-02-15 at 23:26:07
>From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: Re: Daniel's version of Barks' ode
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:33:19 +0100
>Was there a certain reason for Barks to write this poem? Was it intended
>for a publication or as gift for fans, maybe even with this mailing list
>in mind? As far as I remember, it was "first published" on this mailing
>list (in/around March 1999?).
On Thursday the 1st of April, 1999 at 12.02.31 GMT-7. I remember a
discussion about whether this poem was a 1st-of-April joke, BTW 8-)
Stefan
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>Subject: Re: Daniel's version of Barks' ode
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:33:19 +0100
>Was there a certain reason for Barks to write this poem? Was it intended
>for a publication or as gift for fans, maybe even with this mailing list
>in mind? As far as I remember, it was "first published" on this mailing
>list (in/around March 1999?).
On Thursday the 1st of April, 1999 at 12.02.31 GMT-7. I remember a
discussion about whether this poem was a 1st-of-April joke, BTW 8-)
Stefan
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Question about cursing / Oliver
Message 163 -
2001-02-15 at 23:54:51
FRANK STAJANO to FRANCOIS WILLOT, 16 FEBRUARY 2001:
> ["Nom de dieu" = "for God's sake" !] Note that, as far as I am personally
> concerned, I am not in the least upset by this, being an atheist. But,
> to those who follow a religion that orders them not to pronounce the
> name of their God in vain, it might be shocking to discover that they
> just voiced a euphemistically disguised placeholder for "name of God".
In The Netherlands, "Nom de dieu" is also being used (untranslated).
I didn't know it's a French curse. I wonder how many other Dutch people do,
because (as far as know) it is used as an innocent replacement for a curse.
The Dutch equivalent for "For God's Sake" is "godverdomme", which literally
means "God, doom me". I hate using curses myself. (Even mentioning and
translating this curse makes me shiver.)
What is the literal meaning of "For ... Sake"? Is it nescessarily connected
to a curse when it doesn't mention God in it? I mean, could "For Pete's
Sake" also be offending to religious people?
The reason why I'm asking this is that I wonder if religious people could
have been offended by the title of Barks' story "For Old Dime's Sake" (US
43).
At least in The Netherlands, there are religious people who also strongly
object to censored/mild variations of a curse.
Daan Jippes mentions "pot-vol-peremoes" in his 1977 Duckburg Festival
ten-pager, which is a rather mild phonetical (and comical) variation of
the Dutch curse. About this story I've also wondered if it has resulted
in complaints from readers.
OLIVIER, 15 FEBRUARY 2001:
Thanks for your information on Barks' poem.
> PS: I hope I fixed the MIME setting so the message won't be crammed
> with lines of code. All my apologies for the inconvenience.
Your email is still accompanied by HTML-codes. I don't know which email
software you use, but there must be an option somewhere which can turn
off the use of HTML in emails.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
> ["Nom de dieu" = "for God's sake" !] Note that, as far as I am personally
> concerned, I am not in the least upset by this, being an atheist. But,
> to those who follow a religion that orders them not to pronounce the
> name of their God in vain, it might be shocking to discover that they
> just voiced a euphemistically disguised placeholder for "name of God".
In The Netherlands, "Nom de dieu" is also being used (untranslated).
I didn't know it's a French curse. I wonder how many other Dutch people do,
because (as far as know) it is used as an innocent replacement for a curse.
The Dutch equivalent for "For God's Sake" is "godverdomme", which literally
means "God, doom me". I hate using curses myself. (Even mentioning and
translating this curse makes me shiver.)
What is the literal meaning of "For ... Sake"? Is it nescessarily connected
to a curse when it doesn't mention God in it? I mean, could "For Pete's
Sake" also be offending to religious people?
The reason why I'm asking this is that I wonder if religious people could
have been offended by the title of Barks' story "For Old Dime's Sake" (US
43).
At least in The Netherlands, there are religious people who also strongly
object to censored/mild variations of a curse.
Daan Jippes mentions "pot-vol-peremoes" in his 1977 Duckburg Festival
ten-pager, which is a rather mild phonetical (and comical) variation of
the Dutch curse. About this story I've also wondered if it has resulted
in complaints from readers.
OLIVIER, 15 FEBRUARY 2001:
Thanks for your information on Barks' poem.
> PS: I hope I fixed the MIME setting so the message won't be crammed
> with lines of code. All my apologies for the inconvenience.
Your email is still accompanied by HTML-codes. I don't know which email
software you use, but there must be an option somewhere which can turn
off the use of HTML in emails.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
François Willot
Question about cursing / Oliver
Message 164 -
2001-02-15 at 23:59:22
Hi Dani?l
> Thanks for your information on Barks' poem.
[about its reprint in Picsou]
"Ode to the Ducks" was also reprinted in a "Maestri Disney" issue. Check the
Inducks at
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/cgi-bin/storycode.php?storycode=CS+DCML++
1
(In both France and Italy, an English and a translated version appears).
Francois
> Thanks for your information on Barks' poem.
[about its reprint in Picsou]
"Ode to the Ducks" was also reprinted in a "Maestri Disney" issue. Check the
Inducks at
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/cgi-bin/storycode.php?storycode=CS+DCML++
1
(In both France and Italy, an English and a translated version appears).
Francois
François Willot
The second-biggest frog
Message 165 -
2001-02-16 at 00:10:05
>From: Frank Stajano <fstajano at uk.research.att.com>
> "Nom de dieu" = "for God's sake" !
>The question was not "What does it mean?" but "Do you know what it means?".
>*I* knew what it meant -- I just wondered if the people who repeated it as
>a cute comic-style curse knew that they were uttering a mild blasphemy.
It is an innocent oath that has really nothing blasphematory, unless you are
an integrist or real fundamentalist (IMO).
Francois
> "Nom de dieu" = "for God's sake" !
>The question was not "What does it mean?" but "Do you know what it means?".
>*I* knew what it meant -- I just wondered if the people who repeated it as
>a cute comic-style curse knew that they were uttering a mild blasphemy.
It is an innocent oath that has really nothing blasphematory, unless you are
an integrist or real fundamentalist (IMO).
Francois