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This message is for everyone contributing to the list.

I have started saving messages that give substantial
new information on specific Disney comics, including
but not limited to Barks' and Rosa's. For the moment,
I have just saved a few texts, with the authors'
permission. They are displayed at my site, together
with the Inducks data.

See for instance, the screaming cow-boy story,
discussed recently:
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/story/0/W+WDC+137-02

For Don Rosa's, I think it'll prove very interesting
and useful, as we have the author's own words on his
stories, archivied on one page!

Sometimes the "chat" style on DCML does not fit very
well on a webpage, but the level of this maililng list
(very good) makes - I think - this operation possible.
(All DCML messages are already displayed on Per's
site, but this is another thing).

So I wanted to ask you, does everyone here agrees that
I use their texts? or should I keep asking any of you
individually? I certainly don't want to display text
if the writer doesn't agree, but everyone I asked
replied positively.

I also have no idea how long I will do this work
(especially archiving old mails is too
time-consuming), but even incomplete data is
interesting. For the moment, I save about 1 or 2 texts
in a week, so it's not that much work.

Francois

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>Sometimes the "chat" style on DCML does not fit very
>well on a webpage,

Maybe little editing could be appropriate some times. For example sentence
in my message: "Some new additional trivia concerning Barks' Screaming
cowboy." is quite needless as this text appears in this context. Messages
could be sorted by date.
BTW there was discussion about this topic earlier too, with good info. You
can find those messages from DCML archive.
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/

>So I wanted to ask you, does everyone here agrees that
>I use their texts?

OK by me.

Timo

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>>>>OK by me.
>>Thanks!

Of course, it's OK for me too, Fran?ois
It's a very good idea you've had here

Gilles MAURICE

Gilles Maurice wrote:
<<About Ludwig, I think I remember reading somewhere that Don Rosa wasn't
allowed to use Ludwig.
But , Don Rosa, If you used him in an important role would the story be
refused?>>
hm, somehow I think the more you tell Don Not to do something that much
more determined is he in doing so. Somewhat headstrong, but likable, characteristic.

I think it's part of his determination not to conform to randomness and
it's something I like best in his work.

Ohw, my brain hurts. Are you the brainspecialist?

Teemu

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From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>
>>>Technological progress is quite a two-edged thing for scholars. On the
one hand, it makes all sorts
of information more readily available. But on the other hand, lots of things
disappear, major stages
in an author's creation. Letters have virtually disappeared and many writers
nowadays use a word
processor to type and edit their texts; consequently, the way their work
evolves from an idea to the
finished work, the decisions and changes he made may be lost forever.

For your future reference, if you're interested in the development of my
stories from original sparkle in my eye to finished product, I have
preserved every single particle of the process. I do nothing on a
word-processor or tripe-writer... I do it all by hand. I have stacks of
500-page hand-written notebooks which is where I begin the thinking process,
including many pages for each story where I make notes of reams of facts,
gaggles of gags, and bazillions of story/plot ideas... just writing down
whatever pops into my gourd... later using about 1 % of the mess. Then in
the same notebooks are the original scripts with numerous X-ed out dialogue,
panels or sequences. After that is when I create the storyboard-scripts
which is how I show the editor the entire story in pictures and dialogue...
just like the finished product only, well, reeeaaally fast and scribbly. And
when a rewrite is requested to add or change a scene, there will be
additional pages of same. The next step is to pencil the final pages and
send copies of those pencils to Byron so he can have a quick look at what
I'm doing, and though I later ink over and erase those pencils, Byron
archives all of those pencil copies just for "historical" purposes, he sez,
so even that stuff is preserved.
In other words, the entire process of each of my stories is so well
preserved that it would turn your stomach.
On the other hand, we always hear that Barks preserved none of his scripts
and gave away his art... but he kept thorough records of exactly when he
submitted each story or cover and when he was paid for it. I keep *none* of
that info. There have been Donaldist-historians who've asked me about this
and begged me to keep such records, but I'm just not interested -- I make
sure I get paid (!), but once I do, I no longer have any interest in
remembering when or by who.

>?I think I remember reading somewhere that Don Rosa wasn't
>allowed to use Ludwig.
>
>That's what I was told a few years ago, but I see him in the Egmont comics
>now, so I imagine that "rule" has been eased.

I imagine it was fairly provisional "rule" anyway, meant to clear out
clutter perceived at the time as distracting from the primacy of Donald,
Scrooge, Mickey, etc. Some creators, as a consequence, might have felt
challenged to use some of these secondary characters persuasively enough
that the "rule" could be set aside.

Anyone who's made a determined assault on attic or garage to clear out all
the musty old trash knows that you always wind up unearthing a few items
that, on reflection, are worth keeping.

Gary

> From: Arne Voigtmann <ArneVoigtmann at gmx.de>
> When I read Don Rosa's "Forget it!" two weeks ago in No. 15/2002 of the
German "Micky
> Maus" I was especially impressed by the pictures (photos?) of Scrooge
> hanging in his office (e.g. the one where he is hunting for a coin with a
> net). Are these motifs inspired by Barks or did Don Rosa invent them?

Are you asking whether Barks ever had funny pictures hanging on background
walls, or if I copied these *particular* pictures from an old Barks story?
I scribble these pictures as they pop into my head while I'm penciling...
they are not planned in my scripts. I don't think too hard whether I am
subconsciously reusing one that I saw once before, but at the time I'm
thinking they are original, such itty-bitty gags that they are. Of course,
working for Egmont (rather than when I was doing the stuff for Gladstone),
it gets *very* difficult to think of a gag for a picture in $crooge's
office -- there are a thousand little gags that would work if there was a
"$" (or its equivalent) that could appear in the pic... but I can't put one
in because someone would remove it and not bother to replace it with a "Kr"
or a "Mk" or anything else. That explains why many of my older stories in
Egmont editions show that $crooge seems to like to decorate his office with
pictures of lumpy, unidentified bags of... peanuts? Rocks? Who knows? And I
can't put "$"s hovering around what I intend to be a coin. So... you saw
$crooge chasing a coin and praying before a coin? Some readers might wonder
why he's so devoted to pingpong balls. You lose a lot of the finer points of
quality presentation in this sort of system. But you already knew that.
Now... if you're asking if Barks invented this gag of having funny
wall-pictures in the background, that's certainly who *I* got it from in the
comics I grew up with. But they'd been doing it for about 40-50 years before
that in the newspaper strips of Barks' youth, such as "Bringing Up Father",
"Smoky Stover", and others.

Hi!

About the last Mickey Parade G?ant...
(...)
In this story are two panels of this kind, with two Donald's heads in them,
but they seem to have been added later by Mickey Parade or maybe was it so
at the first publication? (Could someone who has the original tell us?)

The first panel is page 30 panel 5, looks like Barks' early Donalds.
http//goofy313g.free.fr/mp267_1.jpg
The second is page 14 pane l5, looks like Al Taliaferro's strips from the
early 50es' Donald.
http//goofy313g.free.fr/mp267_2.jpg

It's like in the original Italian version... I know the story's original,
large, marvelous artworks very well, since I used them for two different
exhibition, in Italy (they are in the vault of Disney-Italia's Archive). The
small Donald's pictures were glued on the paper by the Mondadori's editors
(Mario Gentilini, Ambrogio Vergani) in the 50es before the story's first
printing.
Since the story is so beautiful, we choose it to be reprinted in one of the
last issueos of "I Maestri Disney", last year, and for this reason it was
discovered by the clever French editors, who like Bottaro's style very much.

Luca