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Hi!
I had my scanner ready to make the scans of the Canetor story and the drawing
by Zep when I saw it was alrady done by Fran?ois?
Funny, isn't it?

Just a little correction : the hero of Zep isn't Titoff but Titeuf (Titoff is
a French humorist, not a comicbook character!) A TV series about this
character is also shown in France...

About the map, when I asked to Don Rosa if it was in French, I was talking of
the map of France, not Brutopia! I was curious about knowing what the names
of ancient FRench countries were in English (Navarre...)

About the Bearded Character, I wanted his first name in the original story,
but somebody told me that his name was MAURICE too in the Suedish version, so
I guess MAURICE is his original first name too!!!
This is my Last name!!!!!

Bye!
Gilles

In a message dated 4/4/2002 2:44:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
timoro at hotmail.com writes:

> Oh, bury me not on the lone prairie

from mudcat.org

<<John BAuman and English cattle broker wrote in 1877 of hearing the young
cowboys in the evening singing their favorite wail "O bury me not on the lone
prairie,/ Where the coyotes howl and the wind blose free." Another Englander,
this time a woman named Mary Jaques lived a while in Texas and described the
favorite song of the Texas cowboys as "then bury me not on the lone prairie,/
With the turkey buzzard and the coyote/ In the narrow grave six foot by
three." She recalled hearing the entire song sung one cold winter night by a
cowboy tenor "with a great deal of pathos" in a minor key. Not too long
afterward the singer was killed by lightning. Jaques' writing was published
in 1894 but I don't know what time she was in Texas. The publication of the
William Jossey version in 1907 was described above. Likewise the Annie Laurie
Ellis version in JAF in 1901. Neither had the familiar tune. Another printing
of the song was in 1905 as part of "Folk Songs of the West and South"
harmonized by Arthur Farwell. The title here was "The Lone Prairie" and
contained the first line "O bury me out on the lone prairie" with a footnote
saying that in some version "out" is "not". The song appeared in the first
edition of John Lomax's "Cowboy Songs" in 1910 with lyrics paraphrasing "The
Ocean Burial" Lomax called it "The Dying Cowboy". Again the tune is not the
most familiar one. The Thorp publication and claim of attribution is
desecribed above. J Frank Dobie (1927, Ballds and Songs of the Frontier Folk)
disputed Thorp and said there was an unmarked grave near Brady, Texas that
locals said belonged to the cowboy that wrote the song. Dobie himself
believed the true author would never be known. A source told Vance Randolph
that the song was "made up" by Venice and Sam Gentry who herded cattle in
Texas in the 1870's. >>

Steven Rowe
SRoweCanoe at aol.com

Gilles wrote:
> What does Mattressface means? Does that mean "Somebody whose
> face looks like a mattress, that is to say the thing you have on a bed?"
> Is this a joke because of his beard?

Don answered:
> If this was a gag that made sense, it must have been some ancient joke
> popular from Barks' youth. I never did understand why someone with beard
> would have a name like "matressface". What sort of mattress looks like hair?

Thomas remarks:
I, too, do not know what sort of matress looks like hair. But at least in
Germany there are some people (like former president of the D.O.N.A.L.D.
Alexandra Gerstner) who call a beard "Kinnmatratze" (which would be the
German saying for a matress underneath ones chin). I'm quite certain this
word stems from times long forgotten, maybe even before "Barks' youth", so
maybe at least "Kinnmatratze" proves that Barks did not "invent" this
mediocre joke on his own.

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From: Goofy313g at aol.com
>>>>About the map, when I asked to Don Rosa if it was in French, I was
talking
the map of France, not Brutopia! I was curious about knowing what the names
of ancient FRench countries were in English (Navarre...)

Ah. I tricked myself. Your question about the "map" included another
question obout Kolyuchin Bay, so I got it into mah haid that you were asking
about *that* map.
Okay, I'll actually look at what map IS on page 12. Done. Here is the list
of the labels in my original script --
Ireland, England, France, Portugal, Morocco, Navarre, Castille, Granada and
Aragon.

>>>About the Bearded Character, I wanted his first name in the original
story,
but somebody told me that his name was MAURICE too in the Suedish version,
I guess MAURICE is his original first name too!!!

No, in the original Barks story his first name was *not* given. Or do you
mean in *my* original story? Yeah, I mean, oui, I gave him the first name of
Maurice in my script.

Fellow Quackeroos:

Here's the most recent crop of Greek Disneys:

1) MIKY MAOUS #1863, March 29, 2002 (100 pages; cover price: 1.17 euro)
a) H,L&D in "Gli scherzi di carnevale", from "Topolino" #1220, 1979 (33
pages). Script: Guido Martina; Art: Giorgio Cavazzano (Note: The Greek title
has become "April Fool's Jokes" as there are no carnival jokes (tricks) in
Greece. In Italy, however, "In carnevale, ogni scherzo vale"! --Loosely
translated: "In carnival, anything goes!")
b) Morty & Ferdie in "L' infallibile fiuto investigativo", from "Topolino"
#2366, 2001 (25 pages). Script: Riccardo Secchi; Art: Salvatore Deiana
c) Uncle Scrooge in "Le intuizioni contromercato", from "Topolino" #2289,
1999 (10 pages). Script: Gianfranco Cordara; Art: Valerio Held
d) Fethry Duck in "The Garbage Collectors", S-74164, 8 pages. Script: The
Disney Studio; Art: Tony Strobl

2) ALMANAKO #134, April 2002 (100 pages; cover price: 1.75 euro)
a) Paperinik in "Il grande Jake", from "Paperinik" #22, 1995 (26 pages).
Script: Carlo Panaro; Art: Lucio Leoni
b) Paperinik in "L' elmo di Gormon", from "Paperinik" #91, 2001 (30 pages).
Script: Carlo Panaro; Art: Sandro Dossi

3) MINNI #67, April 2002 (100 pages; cover price: 1.75 euro)
a) Minnie in "Il sogno della pepita", from "Minni" #57, 1997 (30 pages).
Script: Diego Fasano; Art: Marco Mazzarello
b) Daisy Duck in "Guerra di spot", from "Topolino" #2296, 1999 (28 pages).
Script: Caterina Mognato; Art: Roberta Migheli

"Til next time,

Archontis

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Assistant Academic Dean & Professor of Economics
The American College of Thessaloniki
Thessaloniki--GREECE
Phone #: +30-310-398228

Hi all,

Regarding the Gottfredson "long stories" in WDC & S Nr. 2 & 3:
Each of those issues had a single portion of a long Gottfredson Mickey
serialised adventure from the King Features daily newspaper strips. I am not
sure, but I believe this was a continuation of the story which began in "Mickey
Mouse Magazine", before it change to "Walt Disney's Comics and Stories" with
the October 1940 issue. I believe there were no other "stories" in those two
issues. I think all the other comics were single-strip daily or whole page
Sunday strips.

For Ola: Admiral David Farragut was a famous officer in the U.S. Navy during
the U.S. Civil War during the 1860s. He held the post of Admiral since 1866.
He was famous for death defying manuevering of his ships under heavy canon
fire. His famous quote: "Damn the torpedoes! - Full speed ahead!" He was known
for his toughness and tenacity as an enemy. I DO NOT, however, believe that
Carl directly used the Admiral's name as a parody for the character of the
feisty bird. That is too simple for his style. I believe that one of his ex-
colleagues in the Disney story department must have had a nasty pet named
Farragut (who WAS named after the Admiral because of the pet's feistiness). I
have no evidence of such, but the stories that Carl told me, and the books I've
read about the zany studio artists seem to fit that scenario ((A good book with
such information and remembrances is: "Walt Disney and Assorted Other
Characters", by Jack Kinney(Disney animator and storyboard artist)). Remember
that many pet and secondary character names came from pets or friends or
relatives of the Disney staff (e.g. Taliaferro's dog and mother-in-law).

Brutopia was clearly meant to be a parody of the Soviet Union. The "Leader" of
Brutopia in the 1957 U.S. story was undoubtedly meant to be a slightly-more-
mean-looking Nikita Kruschev (the current Premier of that nation). As Calisota
was meant not to be either California or Minnesota, Brutopia was not meant to
coincide with the land area of the Soviet Union. If Calisota is "between"
California and Minnesota, then Brutopia should only be in the "general area" of
the Soviet Union.

Monsieur Mattressface may have come from the idea that the wormy character's
long, scaggily beard looked as if it could be used for mattress stuffing. In
the l800s (and likely very early 1900s) poor farmers who lived on the praries
and in remote rural areas could not afford to buy mattresses for their beds.
Store bought mattresses were made of feathers, which were expensive. They made
their own, simple wood beds, and used what materials were available to them.
Pooerer people even sometimes used hay (or perhaps even animal hair???). The
Barks family in Merrill, oregan were, indeed that poor. Could Barks have
looked back on his youth with a sense of humour, in thinking that the scraggily
beard of his character reminded him of hay or animal hair?

Regarding "The Screaming Cowboy": I am convinced that we have finally found
the missing component to Barks' source(s) of inspiration for that song title
and lyrics. "The Dying Cowboy", with its similar opening lyrics was
UNDOUBTEDLY at least part of the inspiration. "The Screaming Cowboy is a
parody of that melancholy tone that many of the "Lonesome Cowboys" sang in the
late 1800s, and the early 1900s. The other element may have been also a parody
of the newly commercialised cowboy singing style of the late 1920s -
1940s "Singing Cowboys" on Cinema films. They often "wailed", "moaned", almost
crying. This often transitioned into or from their yodeling. As a youth, Carl
could certainly have heard the cowboys on the ranches in his valley sing the
traditional "Dying Cowboy"; or he could have heard versions of it on the radio
or records. He may, or may not have heard the 1935 parody novelty song "The
Crying Cowboy" (backed by "The Laughing Cowboy" on OKEH records). My American
Uncle had that record (he lived in Chicago). Barks could have heard it while
he lived in Minneapolis, or when he moved to Los Angeles to work for Disney. I
remember thinking the song was very funny (so I KNOW it was a comedy record).
It might well have been a parody of "The Dying Cowboy". Unfortunately, I cannot
remember the words (I only heard it once,- in 1953). As it was one of his
favourite items in life, HE WAS BURIED WITH IT!! We have not yet been able to
find a recording of it (I can't remember the artist's name). But, I believe
that it is more likely that "The Dying Cowboy was the original main source of
his inspiration;- and that the loud and wailing style of some the film cowboys
formed the other element of the parody. It seems to me that Barks usually did
not make simple parodies, - but usually cleverly combined at least two, often
unrelated sources.

For Gilles Maurice: The names of the old French Provinces have, for the most
part, not been translated to "Anglicised" forms for English readers.
Generally, they have the same spelling (or at least sound), and sometimes,
only have minor spelling changes.

For example: Anjou, Poitou, Artois, Isle de France, Champagne, Alsace,
Bourbonnais, Navarre, Provence, Franche Comte', Lorraine and many others employ
the French spellings. Bretagne is changed to "Brittany", Gascogne to Gascony,
Normandie to Normandy, Picardie to Picardy, Savoie to Savoy, Dauphine' to
Dauphiny, Flandre to Flanders, Langue d'Oc to Languedoc and a few others with
minor changes.

Rob Klein

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Oeps! (Oops!)

My memory has failed me (not for the first time!) The Floyd Gottfredson
story "Island in the Sky", which appeared in WDC & S Nr. 1 and 2, did not start
in the last Mickey Mouse Magazine. It started in WDC & S Nr. 1.

Perhaps one or two other several-page story segments in Issues 2 and 3 may have
been from Al Taliaferro's Silly Symphonies series. I can't remember.
Unfortunately, I no longer have access to those 2 issues. Perhaps one of our
members who are more knowledgeable on this subject (or have a better memory)
will answer this question.

Rob Klein

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