Jussi Mantere wrote:
> I must apologize to the whole list.
No hard feelings. I accept the apology.
Lars Jensen
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Lars Jensen
Duckburg's 12 landmarks: Correction & Question
Message 46 -
2002-07-02 at 22:23:17
Frank Bubacz
Grandma's car and Duckburg landmarks
Message 47 -
2002-07-02 at 22:30:09
>From: g-hasne
>However, Barks wrote to me in response to the Duckmobiles booklet and said
>that there was an old lady in his hometown who drove an electric car, and
>this
>gave him the impression that electric cars were for old women (...)
>As far as I understood from Barks, his depiction of Grandma Duck's car was
>based on his own experience and not other comic book artists'.
Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. So it seems Barks was the first to
draw the car in "You can't guess". (Unless he didn't use it in "Donald's
Grandma Duck", a story published earlier that I've never seen.)
>I wonder whether the Demontooth mountain exists in the vicinity of
>Duckburg, as it appeared in Donald's dream? I don't think it shoudl be
>viewed
>as one of the landmarks of Duckburg.
I'd argue the same now. I had totally forgotten that it was just a dream.
>As for Gyro's inventor's shack, it is not a landmark in the "tourist"
>understanding of the word.
You say it.
>Further, have you mentioned the city playground with the rotating
>restaurant?
This was built up especially for the world fair that once took place in
Duckburg ("The Candy Kid", WDC 263). The restaurant was destroyed by Donald
and I'm sure all the rest has also been removed after the world fair was
over.
>Does Duckburg have a university? As it
>is the capital of Calisota and it has more than 100 000 inhabitants it sure
>has.
It has. It is mentioned for example in "Stranger than fiction", a Barks
story that was recently being talked about here. AFAIK the building has
never been depicted by Barks.
>Duckburg must necessarily have a sports stadium too, where the olympic
>qualification was held on many occasions.
This idea has already been suggested, but for inexplicable reasons Don
didn't like it.
Frank
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>However, Barks wrote to me in response to the Duckmobiles booklet and said
>that there was an old lady in his hometown who drove an electric car, and
>this
>gave him the impression that electric cars were for old women (...)
>As far as I understood from Barks, his depiction of Grandma Duck's car was
>based on his own experience and not other comic book artists'.
Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. So it seems Barks was the first to
draw the car in "You can't guess". (Unless he didn't use it in "Donald's
Grandma Duck", a story published earlier that I've never seen.)
>I wonder whether the Demontooth mountain exists in the vicinity of
>Duckburg, as it appeared in Donald's dream? I don't think it shoudl be
>viewed
>as one of the landmarks of Duckburg.
I'd argue the same now. I had totally forgotten that it was just a dream.
>As for Gyro's inventor's shack, it is not a landmark in the "tourist"
>understanding of the word.
You say it.
>Further, have you mentioned the city playground with the rotating
>restaurant?
This was built up especially for the world fair that once took place in
Duckburg ("The Candy Kid", WDC 263). The restaurant was destroyed by Donald
and I'm sure all the rest has also been removed after the world fair was
over.
>Does Duckburg have a university? As it
>is the capital of Calisota and it has more than 100 000 inhabitants it sure
>has.
It has. It is mentioned for example in "Stranger than fiction", a Barks
story that was recently being talked about here. AFAIK the building has
never been depicted by Barks.
>Duckburg must necessarily have a sports stadium too, where the olympic
>qualification was held on many occasions.
This idea has already been suggested, but for inexplicable reasons Don
didn't like it.
Frank
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Notre Duck de Paris
Message 48 -
2002-07-02 at 23:16:48
Hello!
Barks' Notre Duck clearly refers to the French "Notre Dame", as Barks
himself told during his journey in Europe, in 1994.
Moreovere, the name "Notre" (written like this, without the "normal" accent)
is an exception, which fits with that cathedral and not with others, more
generic ones.
> Note that there are very few religious marks in Barks' Notre Duck. It might
> as well have been an opera building, with a church-like architecture, and a
> big theatre organ...
Obviously. It's a sort of Pagan church. Maybe the Barks' idea about the
Catholic Church (and about any organized "western" Church, generally), where
money seems to be more relevant than sincere religion, personal feelings.
L.
Barks' Notre Duck clearly refers to the French "Notre Dame", as Barks
himself told during his journey in Europe, in 1994.
Moreovere, the name "Notre" (written like this, without the "normal" accent)
is an exception, which fits with that cathedral and not with others, more
generic ones.
> Note that there are very few religious marks in Barks' Notre Duck. It might
> as well have been an opera building, with a church-like architecture, and a
> big theatre organ...
Obviously. It's a sort of Pagan church. Maybe the Barks' idea about the
Catholic Church (and about any organized "western" Church, generally), where
money seems to be more relevant than sincere religion, personal feelings.
L.
Sue And Gary Leach
DCML digest, Vol 1 #995 - 10 msgs
Message 49 -
2002-07-03 at 00:41:20
Halsten wrote:
A mountain within a city will always be one that city's important
landmarks, like Sugarloaf and Corcovado (with the statue of Christ the
Redeemer) in Rio de Janeiro.
Arizona alone is rife with naturally occuring landmarks, from Camelback
Mountain in Phoenix to Thumb Butte right here in Prescott to?well, how about
The Grand Canyon? Not much doubt about the concept of "landmark" when you
cast yer peepers on that baby!
Anyway, my workaday dictionary defines landmark firstly as an object that
marks a boundary or division, or is a guide. With that in mind, can't think
of any more straight up, unambiguous landmark for Duckburg than one of its
"City Limits" signs. They've certainly appeared at the end of a number of
Barks stories over the years.
Gary
A mountain within a city will always be one that city's important
landmarks, like Sugarloaf and Corcovado (with the statue of Christ the
Redeemer) in Rio de Janeiro.
Arizona alone is rife with naturally occuring landmarks, from Camelback
Mountain in Phoenix to Thumb Butte right here in Prescott to?well, how about
The Grand Canyon? Not much doubt about the concept of "landmark" when you
cast yer peepers on that baby!
Anyway, my workaday dictionary defines landmark firstly as an object that
marks a boundary or division, or is a guide. With that in mind, can't think
of any more straight up, unambiguous landmark for Duckburg than one of its
"City Limits" signs. They've certainly appeared at the end of a number of
Barks stories over the years.
Gary
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Landmarks in Duckburg - Give YOUR vote!!!
Message 50 -
2002-07-03 at 01:09:45
Hi all!
It's now possible for everyone to vote for the most
important landmarks in Duckburg:
http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/poll/
Sigvald :-)
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It's now possible for everyone to vote for the most
important landmarks in Duckburg:
http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/poll/
Sigvald :-)
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Sue And Gary Leach
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Message 51 -
2002-07-03 at 02:00:34
Rob:
For Gary: Don't the Americans refer to the small "pickling" cucumbers as
gherkins?
Americans don't really use "gherkin" much. As I mentioned, in grocery stores
the small raw cucumbers suitable for pickling are labelled "pickling
cucumbers" (the adjective referring to that suitability, rather than the
state of actually being pickled). Where the term "gherkins" is used at all,
it's almost always referring to a cuke much smaller than the normal pickling
variety (and usually used for what we call "sweet pickles").
- and the large cucumbers as "salad cucumbers"
Grocery stores normally label the big cucumbers as just "cucumbers", or
sometimes "large cucumbers". I use the term "salad" to describe their main
purpose in life.
As you can tell, I speak as a shopper (and hobbyist gardener), not a farmer.
That's why I only speculate that American farmers might bandy the term
"pickle crop" in normal conversation, and that if so, Barks might have been
acquainted with it. In any event, for his audience, the term "pickle crop"
served Barks' purposes much better than "gherkin crop" or "cucumber crop",
as it got right to the point - which is generally why people use such terms
in real life.
A large number of Americans did (and probably still do) refer to cucumbers
as pickles.
I'd have to say that any American who told another American to go to the
produce section and grab a couple of pickles would get a very funny look, at
the very least. And going to the shelves to pick up a jar of cucumbers just
doesn't happen. We just don't connect the cucumber to the pickle all that
readily. Truth be told, we generally see then as entirely separate foods.
I, myself, have been guilty of such in a very telling (and ironic) way. I am
Jewish, yet, at
times, (after spending much time in USA) when angry or startled, I find
myself
saying "Jesus Christ!". This is DEFINATELY something I would not want to say
(for various reasons).
And that's because you're using the term in the manner in which you have
heard it used, as an expostulation. In that circumstance, whatever your
religious heritage, its literal meaning is all but irrelevant.
Gary
For Gary: Don't the Americans refer to the small "pickling" cucumbers as
gherkins?
Americans don't really use "gherkin" much. As I mentioned, in grocery stores
the small raw cucumbers suitable for pickling are labelled "pickling
cucumbers" (the adjective referring to that suitability, rather than the
state of actually being pickled). Where the term "gherkins" is used at all,
it's almost always referring to a cuke much smaller than the normal pickling
variety (and usually used for what we call "sweet pickles").
- and the large cucumbers as "salad cucumbers"
Grocery stores normally label the big cucumbers as just "cucumbers", or
sometimes "large cucumbers". I use the term "salad" to describe their main
purpose in life.
As you can tell, I speak as a shopper (and hobbyist gardener), not a farmer.
That's why I only speculate that American farmers might bandy the term
"pickle crop" in normal conversation, and that if so, Barks might have been
acquainted with it. In any event, for his audience, the term "pickle crop"
served Barks' purposes much better than "gherkin crop" or "cucumber crop",
as it got right to the point - which is generally why people use such terms
in real life.
A large number of Americans did (and probably still do) refer to cucumbers
as pickles.
I'd have to say that any American who told another American to go to the
produce section and grab a couple of pickles would get a very funny look, at
the very least. And going to the shelves to pick up a jar of cucumbers just
doesn't happen. We just don't connect the cucumber to the pickle all that
readily. Truth be told, we generally see then as entirely separate foods.
I, myself, have been guilty of such in a very telling (and ironic) way. I am
Jewish, yet, at
times, (after spending much time in USA) when angry or startled, I find
myself
saying "Jesus Christ!". This is DEFINATELY something I would not want to say
(for various reasons).
And that's because you're using the term in the manner in which you have
heard it used, as an expostulation. In that circumstance, whatever your
religious heritage, its literal meaning is all but irrelevant.
Gary
Chuck Munson
Missing Digests
Message 52 -
2002-07-03 at 05:50:59
Hi all,
Are there any problems with the mailing list in the
last week? I've had some problems with my email, but
even with that I should have received a DCML digest at
some point this week. I'd appreciate some
confirmation privately if the list is fine and the
problem is on my end.
Thanks,
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Are there any problems with the mailing list in the
last week? I've had some problems with my email, but
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H.W.Fluks
Dreams (Duckburg landmarks)
Message 53 -
2002-07-03 at 11:00:24
Frank Bubacz:
>> I wonder whether the Demontooth mountain exists in the vicinity of
>> Duckburg, as it appeared in Donald's dream?
> I had totally forgotten that it was just a dream.
Well, it wasn't a dream for everyone... 8-)
See
http://inducks.org/dd50/xeng1954.html#F1
--Harry.
>> I wonder whether the Demontooth mountain exists in the vicinity of
>> Duckburg, as it appeared in Donald's dream?
> I had totally forgotten that it was just a dream.
Well, it wasn't a dream for everyone... 8-)
See
http://inducks.org/dd50/xeng1954.html#F1
--Harry.
Olivier
Notre Duck de Paris
Message 54 -
2002-07-03 at 12:05:05
Hi!
Luca:
>> Barks' Notre Duck clearly refers to the French "Notre Dame", as Barks
>> himself told during his journey in Europe, in 1994.
>> Moreovere, the name "Notre" (written like this, without the "normal" accent)
>> is an exception, which fits with that cathedral and not with others, more
>> generic ones.
I never nitpick about spelling & grammar (it would be obnoxious, patronizing, insufferable, ...),
but since spelling here is the subject let me add a little note & question:
"notre" (no accent) means "our"
"n?tre" (with a roof-like accent, in case it doesn't show on your screen) means "ours"
"Notre Dame" is "Our Lady", so there is no accent.
Have you seen its spelled otherwise in some places, Luca? Maybe it's an ancient spelling?
Olivier
Luca:
>> Barks' Notre Duck clearly refers to the French "Notre Dame", as Barks
>> himself told during his journey in Europe, in 1994.
>> Moreovere, the name "Notre" (written like this, without the "normal" accent)
>> is an exception, which fits with that cathedral and not with others, more
>> generic ones.
I never nitpick about spelling & grammar (it would be obnoxious, patronizing, insufferable, ...),
but since spelling here is the subject let me add a little note & question:
"notre" (no accent) means "our"
"n?tre" (with a roof-like accent, in case it doesn't show on your screen) means "ours"
"Notre Dame" is "Our Lady", so there is no accent.
Have you seen its spelled otherwise in some places, Luca? Maybe it's an ancient spelling?
Olivier
Olivier
Landmarks in Duckburg - Give YOUR vote!!!
Message 55 -
2002-07-03 at 12:22:19
Hi!
Sigvald:
>> It's now possible for everyone to vote for the most important landmarks in
>>Duckburg: http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/poll/
Great idea! I've cast my vote, but if I want to check it tomorrow, how can I access the results
page without voting a second time?
Olivier,
voter # 6
Sigvald:
>> It's now possible for everyone to vote for the most important landmarks in
>>Duckburg: http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/poll/
Great idea! I've cast my vote, but if I want to check it tomorrow, how can I access the results
page without voting a second time?
Olivier,
voter # 6
Timo Ronkainen
Demontooth Dream (Duckburg landmarks)
Message 56 -
2002-07-03 at 13:50:46
> > I had totally forgotten that it was just a dream.
In Barks' original script it wasn't a dream. Editor forced him to change it
as being too fantastic. I recall seeing somewhere at least one original
panel. I guess it was some Gladstone comic book with an article about it.
Timo
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In Barks' original script it wasn't a dream. Editor forced him to change it
as being too fantastic. I recall seeing somewhere at least one original
panel. I guess it was some Gladstone comic book with an article about it.
Timo
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Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
¨¨ Personal:
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¨¨ Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
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Landmarks in Duckburg - Give YOUR vote!!!
Message 57 -
2002-07-03 at 13:51:28
Olivier <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>> It's now possible for everyone to vote for the
>> most important landmarks in Duckburg:
>> http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/poll/
>
> Great idea! I've cast my vote, but if I want to
> check it tomorrow, how can I access the results
> page without voting a second time?
Just go to the same adress. You won't be given a
second
vote.
Sigvald :-)
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>> It's now possible for everyone to vote for the
>> most important landmarks in Duckburg:
>> http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/poll/
>
> Great idea! I've cast my vote, but if I want to
> check it tomorrow, how can I access the results
> page without voting a second time?
Just go to the same adress. You won't be given a
second
vote.
Sigvald :-)
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Dan Shane
Duckburg's 12 landmarks: Correction & Question
Message 58 -
2002-07-03 at 14:06:22
JUSSI WRITES:
> I must apologize to the whole list.
> As you pointed out the comment was heartless AND tasteless, and I too knew
> it even before the message was sent.
> Actually, it was never meant to reach the list; after typing, I understand
> how tasteless it was and meant to cancel it. Accidentally my mailer sent
> it, and I am really sorry that you had to read it.
AND I REPLY:
That was as kind and heartfelt an apology as one could hope for. We all
have occasions where we speak (or write) before we think things through.
Your initial message was a mistake, and it proves you are a human being.
Your apologetic retraction proves you are a good human being, just the sort
of person the DCML seems to attract.
Dan
> I must apologize to the whole list.
> As you pointed out the comment was heartless AND tasteless, and I too knew
> it even before the message was sent.
> Actually, it was never meant to reach the list; after typing, I understand
> how tasteless it was and meant to cancel it. Accidentally my mailer sent
> it, and I am really sorry that you had to read it.
AND I REPLY:
That was as kind and heartfelt an apology as one could hope for. We all
have occasions where we speak (or write) before we think things through.
Your initial message was a mistake, and it proves you are a human being.
Your apologetic retraction proves you are a good human being, just the sort
of person the DCML seems to attract.
Dan
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Landmarks in Duckburg - Give YOUR vote!!!
Message 59 -
2002-07-03 at 14:08:10
Olivier <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>> It's now possible for everyone to vote for the
>> most important landmarks in Duckburg:
>> http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/poll/
>
> Great idea! I've cast my vote, but if I want to
> check it tomorrow, how can I access the results
> page without voting a second time?
Just go to the same adress. You won't be given a
second
vote.
Sigvald :-)
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>> It's now possible for everyone to vote for the
>> most important landmarks in Duckburg:
>> http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/poll/
>
> Great idea! I've cast my vote, but if I want to
> check it tomorrow, how can I access the results
> page without voting a second time?
Just go to the same adress. You won't be given a
second
vote.
Sigvald :-)
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H.W.Fluks
Demontooth Dream (Duckburg landmarks)
Message 60 -
2002-07-03 at 14:09:15
Timo:
> In Barks' original script it wasn't a dream. Editor forced
> him to change it as being too fantastic.
Not "editor forced him". Barks thought so himself:
<<In an October 3, 1973 letter (to Kim Weston?), Barks says that this "was
quite likely changed to a dream ending by me. I believe I recall looking at
the panel of Uncle Scrooge's money ramp and deciding it looked too
IMPOSSIBLE to be real".>>
Quote taken from Dani?l's Guidebook website, at the bottom of this page:
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/comicswdc148.html
> I recall seeing somewhere at least one original
> panel.
That panel is also shown on the above webpage.
The web page (my own) that I mentioned in a prevous letter is:
http://inducks.org/dd50/xeng1954.html#F1
There I write the following:
<<This story, by Carl Barks, had no dream ending, originally. At the last
moment, Barks decided that the story was too unbelievable to be "real".
Apparently, people in Italy disagreed: in the Italian version, the final 3
panels are drawn by 2 other artists. The story does not end as a dream
anymore! By the way, in the Italian panels we see exactly happening what
Donald was telling in the dream version.>>
--Harry.
> In Barks' original script it wasn't a dream. Editor forced
> him to change it as being too fantastic.
Not "editor forced him". Barks thought so himself:
<<In an October 3, 1973 letter (to Kim Weston?), Barks says that this "was
quite likely changed to a dream ending by me. I believe I recall looking at
the panel of Uncle Scrooge's money ramp and deciding it looked too
IMPOSSIBLE to be real".>>
Quote taken from Dani?l's Guidebook website, at the bottom of this page:
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/comicswdc148.html
> I recall seeing somewhere at least one original
> panel.
That panel is also shown on the above webpage.
The web page (my own) that I mentioned in a prevous letter is:
http://inducks.org/dd50/xeng1954.html#F1
There I write the following:
<<This story, by Carl Barks, had no dream ending, originally. At the last
moment, Barks decided that the story was too unbelievable to be "real".
Apparently, people in Italy disagreed: in the Italian version, the final 3
panels are drawn by 2 other artists. The story does not end as a dream
anymore! By the way, in the Italian panels we see exactly happening what
Donald was telling in the dream version.>>
--Harry.