Whether or not the "money stairway" up Demontooth was Donald's dream, or not,
is irrelevant, as Barks DID name the mountain in "The Golden Christmas Tree",
Demontooth. The mountain is depicted on rising above the forested foothills
that mark the boundary of Duckburg's built-up, inhabited area. I assume there
is a narrow band of flat (but gradually rising) forest at the very edge of the
City, which is the start of The Black Forest. I assume that The Black Forest
continues eastward, covering those foothills, which lead upward into a
mountainous massif (which could be considered The Eagleclaw Wilderness Area -
as depicted by Barks in the "forest fire story"). As the ocean, Duckburg Bay,
etc. border Duckburg to the west, I assume that the mountain massif (and
forested areas) form the eastern boundary of the Duckburg Metropolitan area.
That large a mountainous area, with a gradual rise, is too large to be situated
in a perpendicular relation to the ocean. Usually, such mountain ranges lie in
a parallel orientation to the seacoast. Assuming THAT configuration, I assume
that both the northern and southern boundaries of Duckburg (and its few
suburbs) give way to open farmland (as depicted by Barks). We saw the road
signs as Donald passed them on the way to Tuleville (Hentown, Catville, etc.) -
in ONE direction. The other direction could be the way towards Goose Egg
County Pumpkinburg and Pickleburg. Of course, a large portion of the eastern
boundary of Duckburg City must be formed by Mudhen Lake (as depicted by Barks),
as the other side of that vast lake has the flat fir forest that must form a
portion of the Black Forest.
Regarding the employment of Mount Demontooth as a Duckburg landmark: As it is
within the general area of the City, it is close enough to be a Duckburg
landmark. As Barks' FINAL OWN version of WDC 157 had Demontooth depicted in a
dream, we can assume that the "real" shape and location of Mount Demontooth is
the one depicted by Barks in "The Golden Christmas Tree", and that the shape
and configuration of that mountain in "The Money Stairs" story was different
due to Donald's distorted memory in his dream.
I think of the representations of "The Duck Universe" not as photographs of
some other reality, but as graphic representations by a Folk Historian. Carl
Barks and his "History of the Ducks and Duckburg" are akin to Homer and
his "Iliad, and Oddysey". Neither of these great tale tellers physically
attended the happenings of which they bring to us detailed accounts. Both of
them have put down in writing for a future generation, folktales which were
verbally transmitted by common folk for hundreds of years.
Rob
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RobKlein
Demontooth
Message 76 -
2002-07-04 at 18:10:03
Gerd Syllwasschy
Demontooth
Message 77 -
2002-07-04 at 19:18:29
In support of Rob's localization, let me quote the beginning of Barks'
plot outline for "Hang Gliders Be Hanged":
"On sunny days the Black Forest of Duckburg swarms with picnic parties.
There are carnivals and games ... and contests like pie eating ... and
this day there is a hang glider race about to start from the top of
Mount Demontooth."
(Historical note: Barks wrote this outline in 1974 for Danish publisher
Gutenberghus/Egmont. It was eventually turned into a script by Tom
Anderson and drawn by Vicar.)
Gerd
plot outline for "Hang Gliders Be Hanged":
"On sunny days the Black Forest of Duckburg swarms with picnic parties.
There are carnivals and games ... and contests like pie eating ... and
this day there is a hang glider race about to start from the top of
Mount Demontooth."
(Historical note: Barks wrote this outline in 1974 for Danish publisher
Gutenberghus/Egmont. It was eventually turned into a script by Tom
Anderson and drawn by Vicar.)
Gerd
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Landmarks in Duckburg - Give YOUR vote!!!
Message 78 -
2002-07-04 at 19:50:59
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen <thomas at duckburg.dk> skrev: >
>> I don't quite get this. IS it possible to give
>> more than one vote?
>
> It is. It will never be possible to fully control
> this without having some kind of digital signature
> which is IMHO way overkill for this project that
> was meant only for the fun of it.
By the way, do the system controls that the voter has
followed the rules and given 10 different
points-values to 10 different stories (a total of 58
points)?
Sigvald :-)
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>> I don't quite get this. IS it possible to give
>> more than one vote?
>
> It is. It will never be possible to fully control
> this without having some kind of digital signature
> which is IMHO way overkill for this project that
> was meant only for the fun of it.
By the way, do the system controls that the voter has
followed the rules and given 10 different
points-values to 10 different stories (a total of 58
points)?
Sigvald :-)
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R. Kooijman
Landmarks in Duckburg - Give YOUR vote!!!
Message 79 -
2002-07-04 at 20:25:53
> From: Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.
> By the way, do the system controls that the voter has
> followed the rules and given 10 different
> points-values to 10 different stories (a total of 58
> points)?
Why should that be the rule? I did fill in 10 landmarks (not stories ;-)
) and had a hardtime filling in the last 3 or so. Somebody else wouldn't
even vote if they have to go to through so much thinking about which
landmark they use as fill-up (is that the correct word?).
-- Roy
> By the way, do the system controls that the voter has
> followed the rules and given 10 different
> points-values to 10 different stories (a total of 58
> points)?
Why should that be the rule? I did fill in 10 landmarks (not stories ;-)
) and had a hardtime filling in the last 3 or so. Somebody else wouldn't
even vote if they have to go to through so much thinking about which
landmark they use as fill-up (is that the correct word?).
-- Roy
Marco Barlotti
Super Minnie?
Message 80 -
2002-07-04 at 20:53:40
I have been asked by an Internet acquaintance: is any instance of a Super
Minnie known?
I was not able to answer. Maybe someone here can help?
(I seem to remember that almost every Disney character, Zeke included, had
sooner or later a chance to eat one of those super-gooblers... but
Minnie??? In fact, I don't even remember Mickey!)
Thanks in advance!
Marco
http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/Comics
Minnie known?
I was not able to answer. Maybe someone here can help?
(I seem to remember that almost every Disney character, Zeke included, had
sooner or later a chance to eat one of those super-gooblers... but
Minnie??? In fact, I don't even remember Mickey!)
Thanks in advance!
Marco
http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/Comics
H.W.Fluks
Super Minnie?
Message 81 -
2002-07-04 at 21:01:09
Marco:
> I have been asked by an Internet acquaintance: is any
> instance of a Super Minnie known?
> (In fact, I don't even remember Mickey!)
All I can find in Inducks is a French cover for JM 1848, featuring Minnie
and Mickey, with the French description "Super Mickey emm?ne Minnie". (Don't
know what that means.)
--Harry.
> I have been asked by an Internet acquaintance: is any
> instance of a Super Minnie known?
> (In fact, I don't even remember Mickey!)
All I can find in Inducks is a French cover for JM 1848, featuring Minnie
and Mickey, with the French description "Super Mickey emm?ne Minnie". (Don't
know what that means.)
--Harry.
Shelley Hanson
Once more, with pickles
Message 82 -
2002-07-04 at 21:55:19
It is precisely because "pickles" do not exist in nature (but instead they
are cucumbers cured in brine) that it is funny to refer to a "pickle" crop.
are cucumbers cured in brine) that it is funny to refer to a "pickle" crop.
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
Landmarks in Duckburg - Give YOUR vote!!!
Message 83 -
2002-07-04 at 22:11:50
Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
> By the way, do the system controls that the voter has
> followed the rules and given 10 different
> points-values to 10 different stories (a total of 58
> points)?
Yes, the system checks that the same amount of points is not given to
more than one landmark suggestion, so you won't be able to give 12
points to them all. If someone tries to do it anyway, they will be met
by a warning, and the vote isn't counted. The voter will then of course
be given another chance to correct his/her markings.
Thomas
--
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
"There is the theory of the Moebius.
A twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop."
> By the way, do the system controls that the voter has
> followed the rules and given 10 different
> points-values to 10 different stories (a total of 58
> points)?
Yes, the system checks that the same amount of points is not given to
more than one landmark suggestion, so you won't be able to give 12
points to them all. If someone tries to do it anyway, they will be met
by a warning, and the vote isn't counted. The voter will then of course
be given another chance to correct his/her markings.
Thomas
--
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
"There is the theory of the Moebius.
A twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop."
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Super Minnie?
Message 84 -
2002-07-05 at 00:06:22
H.W.Fluks at kpn.com skrev:
>
> All I can find in Inducks is a French cover for
> JM 1848, featuring Minnie and Mickey, with the
> French description "Super Mickey emm?ne Minnie".
> (Don't know what that means.)
Since you seem to be in business, could you please
also try to find the few Dutch names I asked about
some days ago?
Sigvald :-)
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>
> All I can find in Inducks is a French cover for
> JM 1848, featuring Minnie and Mickey, with the
> French description "Super Mickey emm?ne Minnie".
> (Don't know what that means.)
Since you seem to be in business, could you please
also try to find the few Dutch names I asked about
some days ago?
Sigvald :-)
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Lgiver
Barks' references in Don Rosa's "Fit to be Pied"
Message 85 -
2002-07-05 at 09:53:15
No new Disney comics in English for over 3 years now. So I've been
re-reading my Gladstone collection, and finished all the long Barks
stories. Now I've started the Don Rosa stories, beginning with
"Son of the Sun". When I read "Fit to be Pied", I saw some
items from Barks' stories I hadn't noticed before, so I tried to access
DuckHunt's "Barks' References" page to see if they were already
posted there. A few years ago I helped Osgar Jensen with a few
references---that website was lots of fun. But Osgar Jensen is
now busy with other things, and his webpage isn't responding
anymore. Has it died forever? I'm sure he put a lot of work into it.
When I didn't get any response, I searched around and found DCML,
and joined this mailing list.
The Barks' references I noticed in "Fit to be Pied" are:
1. Page 5, panel 3: Donald examines a costume that looks just like
Smorgie the Bad, the ogre conjured up by Witch Hazel in Barks' 1952
"Trick or Treat" Holloween story.
2. Page 5, panels 4 through page 7, panel 1, Donald uses a
disguise (huge coat, hat and beard) previously worn by Scrooge in
Barks' November, 1957 story, "Sagmore Springs Hotel".
Does anyone know if these references were already posted?
----Larry Giver
re-reading my Gladstone collection, and finished all the long Barks
stories. Now I've started the Don Rosa stories, beginning with
"Son of the Sun". When I read "Fit to be Pied", I saw some
items from Barks' stories I hadn't noticed before, so I tried to access
DuckHunt's "Barks' References" page to see if they were already
posted there. A few years ago I helped Osgar Jensen with a few
references---that website was lots of fun. But Osgar Jensen is
now busy with other things, and his webpage isn't responding
anymore. Has it died forever? I'm sure he put a lot of work into it.
When I didn't get any response, I searched around and found DCML,
and joined this mailing list.
The Barks' references I noticed in "Fit to be Pied" are:
1. Page 5, panel 3: Donald examines a costume that looks just like
Smorgie the Bad, the ogre conjured up by Witch Hazel in Barks' 1952
"Trick or Treat" Holloween story.
2. Page 5, panels 4 through page 7, panel 1, Donald uses a
disguise (huge coat, hat and beard) previously worn by Scrooge in
Barks' November, 1957 story, "Sagmore Springs Hotel".
Does anyone know if these references were already posted?
----Larry Giver
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
The McDuck Coat of Arms breaks heraldic laws?
Message 86 -
2002-07-05 at 10:26:53
Hi all!
I have just recieved this question from Jyri Lehtinen
(Tampere, Finland). Can any of you help with more info
about this?
Sigvald :-)
-----
> Upon reading your enlightening clan McDuck page I
> started wondering about the coat of arms. How good,
> in heraldic terms, is that description on your
> heraldry page?
> http://duckman.pettho.com/mcduck/heraldry.html
>
> The coat of arms in itself is unvalid because 3D
> coins are shown. According to the Finnish heraldry
> books, that is not allowed. So do you know if
> anyone has come up with a description for McDuck
> coat of arms that doesn?t break the rules of
> heraldry? I'd really like to see it. It should
> contain the info of the colors as well.
-----
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I have just recieved this question from Jyri Lehtinen
(Tampere, Finland). Can any of you help with more info
about this?
Sigvald :-)
-----
> Upon reading your enlightening clan McDuck page I
> started wondering about the coat of arms. How good,
> in heraldic terms, is that description on your
> heraldry page?
> http://duckman.pettho.com/mcduck/heraldry.html
>
> The coat of arms in itself is unvalid because 3D
> coins are shown. According to the Finnish heraldry
> books, that is not allowed. So do you know if
> anyone has come up with a description for McDuck
> coat of arms that doesn?t break the rules of
> heraldry? I'd really like to see it. It should
> contain the info of the colors as well.
-----
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Carl Lund
Yay! Pickles!
Message 87 -
2002-07-05 at 12:53:06
Having too much time on my hands (sitting twiddling my
thumbs until I can read Uncle Scrooge in English again
;-)), I did a search for "pickle crop." Google found
25 entries coming mostly from on-line agricultural
newsletters.
As a brief example, from "Ohio State University
Extension Vegetable Crops" (1998):
I was contacted by a Northwest Ohio pickle station
operator who indicated that they were having serious
problems with migrant labor needs and weather
problems. There is concern about having enough labor
to pick all of the pickle crop this year. They
started pickle harvest on July 5th.
Pickle crops, pickle harvests, pickle stations...the
mind boggles. Well, at least it does at 4 AM while
one is twiddling one's thumbs waiting for....
Carl
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thumbs until I can read Uncle Scrooge in English again
;-)), I did a search for "pickle crop." Google found
25 entries coming mostly from on-line agricultural
newsletters.
As a brief example, from "Ohio State University
Extension Vegetable Crops" (1998):
I was contacted by a Northwest Ohio pickle station
operator who indicated that they were having serious
problems with migrant labor needs and weather
problems. There is concern about having enough labor
to pick all of the pickle crop this year. They
started pickle harvest on July 5th.
Pickle crops, pickle harvests, pickle stations...the
mind boggles. Well, at least it does at 4 AM while
one is twiddling one's thumbs waiting for....
Carl
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Yay! Pickles!
Message 88 -
2002-07-05 at 13:13:37
CARL:
> Pickle crops, pickle harvests, pickle stations...the
> mind boggles.
In this day and age, they could be talking about genetically modified
cucumbers that grow already cured into pickles! [Which reminds me of that
story where Gyro competed with another inventor on who would produce
the weirdest fruit on the trees in their gardens. Was pickles in a jar
one such "fruit", by any chance?]
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I used to work for the common good, you know. But the hours were bad and
the conditions even worse."
-----
> Pickle crops, pickle harvests, pickle stations...the
> mind boggles.
In this day and age, they could be talking about genetically modified
cucumbers that grow already cured into pickles! [Which reminds me of that
story where Gyro competed with another inventor on who would produce
the weirdest fruit on the trees in their gardens. Was pickles in a jar
one such "fruit", by any chance?]
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I used to work for the common good, you know. But the hours were bad and
the conditions even worse."
-----
H.W.Fluks
Sigvald
Message 89 -
2002-07-05 at 13:56:11
Sigvald:
> Since you seem to be in business
My answering of some mails does not imply that I have time to answer *all*
of them.
> could you please
> also try to find the few Dutch names I asked about
> some days ago?
Find out for yourself at:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/legend-character.php/0
or directly in Dutch at:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/legend-character.php/6
if you like.
--Harry.
http://inducks.org
> Since you seem to be in business
My answering of some mails does not imply that I have time to answer *all*
of them.
> could you please
> also try to find the few Dutch names I asked about
> some days ago?
Find out for yourself at:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/legend-character.php/0
or directly in Dutch at:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/legend-character.php/6
if you like.
--Harry.
http://inducks.org
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Sigvald
Message 90 -
2002-07-05 at 20:09:10
H.W.Fluks at kpn.com wrote:
> Sigvald:
>
>> Since you seem to be in business
>
> My answering of some mails does not imply that
> I have time to answer *all* of them.
NO that's right, but answering a mail with a bit odd
topic like the one about "Super-Minnie" could possibly
lead to that conclusion...
Anyway today I got a mail from Willem Hajenius with
the necessary data.
>> could you please
>> also try to find the few Dutch names I asked about
>> some days ago?
>
> Find out for yourself at:
> http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/legend-character.php/0
>
> or directly in Dutch at:
> http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/legend-character.php/6
> if you like.
Thanks! I didn't know these new character pages did
exist. If I had known, I wouldn't have bothered you by
asking for these names.
By the way, why isn't Jos? Carioca and Panchito
Pistoles included in the Duck-universe?
Sigvald :-)
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> Sigvald:
>
>> Since you seem to be in business
>
> My answering of some mails does not imply that
> I have time to answer *all* of them.
NO that's right, but answering a mail with a bit odd
topic like the one about "Super-Minnie" could possibly
lead to that conclusion...
Anyway today I got a mail from Willem Hajenius with
the necessary data.
>> could you please
>> also try to find the few Dutch names I asked about
>> some days ago?
>
> Find out for yourself at:
> http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/legend-character.php/0
>
> or directly in Dutch at:
> http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/legend-character.php/6
> if you like.
Thanks! I didn't know these new character pages did
exist. If I had known, I wouldn't have bothered you by
asking for these names.
By the way, why isn't Jos? Carioca and Panchito
Pistoles included in the Duck-universe?
Sigvald :-)
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