Sigvald:
>I would thus like to know if the
>addressing in COA is based upon the old addressing in
>Starbaeck's pages so that it's enough to replace the
>first part of each address, or if I have to replace
>the entire addresses?
Since both of the sites naturally use the story code as the end
of the URL, the ends are almost the same, but not exactly.
There is at least one difference: If a story code has space
characters after a space character, Per replaced them with
one '+' while Fran?ois used as many '+'s as there are spaces.
An example of this:
http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+OS+189-02
vs.
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+OS++189-02
--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
Winnie the Pooh is my great guru.
Author
Topic: 200209
(158 messages)
Ari Seppi
COA-adressing
Message 1 -
2002-09-01 at 10:02:49
Lgiver
Background duck characters
Message 2 -
2002-09-01 at 11:03:25
I just finished re-reading Don Rosa's "Buckaroo of the Badlands"
(USL&T, part 3), and I wondered who the bearded duck cowboy
was, page 4, panels 5, 6, and 7, and page 5, panel 5. He seems to
just be one of McKenzie's hired hands, who happens to be a duck,
and has no connection to Scrooge's life, or other stories. His only
speaking part is on page 5, panel 5. So I think he's just a one-time
background character, without a name. But then I thought, why is
it so rare to see a duck as a background character in duck stories?
Why are ducks such a small minority in Duckburg? Has a duck
ever been mayor of Duckburg (since the founder, Cornelius Coot)?
Best wishes, -------Larry Giver.
(USL&T, part 3), and I wondered who the bearded duck cowboy
was, page 4, panels 5, 6, and 7, and page 5, panel 5. He seems to
just be one of McKenzie's hired hands, who happens to be a duck,
and has no connection to Scrooge's life, or other stories. His only
speaking part is on page 5, panel 5. So I think he's just a one-time
background character, without a name. But then I thought, why is
it so rare to see a duck as a background character in duck stories?
Why are ducks such a small minority in Duckburg? Has a duck
ever been mayor of Duckburg (since the founder, Cornelius Coot)?
Best wishes, -------Larry Giver.
Lgiver
The Chickadees
Message 3 -
2002-09-01 at 23:44:31
I checked Gerd's references: WDC&S 181, 260, and 280, and
he has the correct information. In the first story about the
bridge-building contest, the Chickadees weren't called Junior
Chickadees, but the "South Duckburg Chickadee Patrol".
Their leader wasn't named in that story, but Donald knew that
she had been in the army engineers.
When they re-appeared in #260, HDL called them "Junior
Chickadees"; probably Barks thought this more similar to
the "Junior Woodchucks". Here one of the chickadees called
their leader "Mrs. Ramrodd". In #280, Barks dropped the
extra "d" and gave her the title "Captain Ramrod".
----Larry Giver.
he has the correct information. In the first story about the
bridge-building contest, the Chickadees weren't called Junior
Chickadees, but the "South Duckburg Chickadee Patrol".
Their leader wasn't named in that story, but Donald knew that
she had been in the army engineers.
When they re-appeared in #260, HDL called them "Junior
Chickadees"; probably Barks thought this more similar to
the "Junior Woodchucks". Here one of the chickadees called
their leader "Mrs. Ramrodd". In #280, Barks dropped the
extra "d" and gave her the title "Captain Ramrod".
----Larry Giver.
Kriton Kyrimis
KOMIX #171
Message 4 -
2002-09-02 at 08:49:40
Here's what's in this month's issue of Komix:
* Cover by Carl Barks, from Uncle Scrooge #10. I have put a scan of
the cover at http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix171.jpg
* Two pages of letters. Among the letters, there is a negative :( reply
to yours truly, concerning whether a character named "Kriton" in
Festival #8 was a reference to me.
* Two pages with "the news of Komix". Among the items is a reference to
Luciano Bottaro's 50th anniversary as a Disney Artist in July,
and a sequel to "Tron", which will be out next year.
* Romano Scarpa's "L' Uomo di Ula Ula" (J 216-B).
* A two page article, titled "A Comics Maestro", subtitled "The
multi-aspect work of Romano Scarpa".
* Don Rosa's "The Curse of Nostrildamus" (AR 143).
* A two-page article, titled "Inspiration, Humor & other Mysteries",
subtitled "Don Rosa presents the Curse of Nostrildamus".
* Marco Rota's "The Talking Totem" (D 96354),
* A one-page ad for Pokemon cards masquerading as an article. Oddly
enough, the accompanying real ad is not adjacent to the article.
* "Jet Job Joes", drawn by Paul Murry, from the May 1950 issue of
Four Color Comics.
Next month's promises to be an interesting issue, with Cavazzano's
adaptation of Fellini's "La Strada", and Don's "Nobody's Business", where
I'm looking forward to see how they've translated the Gladstone-specific
ending.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"If they should break through, run as if something very nasty were after you,
because something very nasty will be after you."
-----
* Cover by Carl Barks, from Uncle Scrooge #10. I have put a scan of
the cover at http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix171.jpg
* Two pages of letters. Among the letters, there is a negative :( reply
to yours truly, concerning whether a character named "Kriton" in
Festival #8 was a reference to me.
* Two pages with "the news of Komix". Among the items is a reference to
Luciano Bottaro's 50th anniversary as a Disney Artist in July,
and a sequel to "Tron", which will be out next year.
* Romano Scarpa's "L' Uomo di Ula Ula" (J 216-B).
* A two page article, titled "A Comics Maestro", subtitled "The
multi-aspect work of Romano Scarpa".
* Don Rosa's "The Curse of Nostrildamus" (AR 143).
* A two-page article, titled "Inspiration, Humor & other Mysteries",
subtitled "Don Rosa presents the Curse of Nostrildamus".
* Marco Rota's "The Talking Totem" (D 96354),
* A one-page ad for Pokemon cards masquerading as an article. Oddly
enough, the accompanying real ad is not adjacent to the article.
* "Jet Job Joes", drawn by Paul Murry, from the May 1950 issue of
Four Color Comics.
Next month's promises to be an interesting issue, with Cavazzano's
adaptation of Fellini's "La Strada", and Don's "Nobody's Business", where
I'm looking forward to see how they've translated the Gladstone-specific
ending.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"If they should break through, run as if something very nasty were after you,
because something very nasty will be after you."
-----
Kriton Kyrimis
Articles from Komix #168
Message 5 -
2002-09-02 at 08:50:31
Here are the translations of two articles from Komix #168:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ducks, gorillas and dinosaurs in the blender
Return to Forbidden Valley
Don Rosa presents the sequel to one of Carl Barks' most classic stories.
The return to _Forbidden Valley_ is a sequel to three stories by Carl
Barks! It is based on _A Spicy Tale_ (_Komix_ #71) and on _Forbidden
Valley_ (_Komix_ #10), while I have added a brush stroke from _Trail of
the Unicorn_ (_Komix_ #7). The first story gave me the idea about the
nutmeg, the reason I needed to have the Ducks travel to the sources of
the Amazon, while the last one gives one more reason for Uncle Scrooge
to be interested in _Forbidden Valley_: it is the collection of animals
for his zoo.
At least a decade before been given the opportunity to write
it, I had wanted to write a sequel to _Forbidden Valley_. I love
dinosaurs! Everybody loves dinosaurs! An when I was little, _Forbidden
Valley_ had been one of my favorite stories. Even though the Ducks'
passing through this valley is brief, the story was, despite this,
most exciting. When I began working for _Gladstone_ in America, teh
publisher didn't want me to write sequels to Barks' stories, and he was
right, because the average American comics reader would not remember his
original stories, which had been out of print for a long time... Later,
of course, _Gladstone_ would bring them back into the light! However,
when I started working for _Egmont_ in Europe, who wanted me to write
sequels to the classics Barks stories, I was late in returning to that
idea, until teh people at _Egmont_ asked me for a sequel to _Forbidden
Valley_! In my initial script there were no flash backs with the
recreation of original panels from Barks' story. I added these panels
later, after a request by the editors [who, I assume, are the "people
in charge" mentioned in the Greek text]. This gave me great pleasure,
as this way I was able to bind my story even more directly to the story
I had read when I was seven years old!
I know how familiar today's children are with dinosaurs. This is why my
references to them had to be most precise. I used relevant encyclopedias,
and one of my most important references was the book that was illustrated
by my friend William Stout, the painter and artist whom I am certain
that many friends of comics know. The prehistoric monsters appearing
in my story may not come from te same period, but I think that they
are depicted quite faithfully regarding their form and size... Apart,
of course, from taht aquatic creaturem which I magnified considerably,
to make it look more threatening! Perhaps it had drunk from the filter
of that witch doctor in _A Spicy Tale_...
As a fanatic movie buff I could not avoid certain refernces to the best
"monster-centered" movie of all times: _King Kong_. Do not look for
references to _Jurassic Park_... There aren't any. This does not mean
that I did not like _Jurassic Park_. Hoewever, these movies do not hae
the spirit of _King Kong_... Now, thanks to computers, the producers of
a mvovie have the ability to create real-looking dinosaurs with great
ease. For the viewer, however, it was admirable how well the could
manage during that time, despite the low budget and te lack of means,
to animate miniature models. No movie of that kind is going to surpass
_King Kong_. It is perhaps one of the five best movies of all time.
Besides, I love old school movies. In the inital script there had been
even more gags based on refernces to _King Kong_, which, however, I
removed when I added the flash backs to Barks' story, as they weren't of
particular importance to the development of the story. My movie references
may be extremely vague, without purpose, and slightly irritating... Yes,
this is probably so. However, this has not stopped me until now, and it
is never going to prevent me from incorporating them into my stories!
[Signed]
Don Rosa
[Caption, left page]
One of the main actors in _Escape from the Forbidden Valley_, which Don
Rosa drew in full detail.
[Caption, right page, top]
A Barksian flash back by Don Rosa. Don draws classic panels by uncle
Carl. He recomposes teh drawings of the great master to fit them in his
own story.
[Caption, bottom]
The cover of a book on dinosaurs illustrated by Wiliam Stout. Don was
inspired by William Stout's dinosaur drawings.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Don Rosa comments on Carl Barks' _Forbidden Valley_
Carl Barks' Sources
From King Kong to Turok: all the possible influences that Barks may
have had when drawing his own lost world.
What had been the source of inspiration for Carl Barks' _Forbidden
Valley_? In his book _The Disney that Never Was_, Charles Solomon presents
a script that uncle Carl had submitted to the _Disney Studio_ during the
1930s, which has many similarities with the plot of _King Kong_. _Komix_
pointed this out to Don, and this is his reply: "_King Kong_ and the old
script may have been a source of inspiration, in part. However, the movie
takes place on an island and not in South America, and refers to a huge
gorilla, who is completely absent from _Forbidden Valley_. If we must
choose a more immediate source of inspiration, this must be the first
movie adaptation of Arthur Conan Doyle's _Lost World_, in 1925, which
Barks could very well have seen. I often wonder what could have given
Barks the idea to write a story about a "lost world full of dinosaurs"
in 1957. However, no movie of that time, which could have inspired him,
comes to mind. The only movies about lost worlds and dinosaurs, which
were filmed after _King Kong_, had been the _Unknown Island_ [?] in 1948,
the _Two Lost Worlds_ [?] in 1950, and the _Lost Continent_ [?] in 1951.
However, these movies had not been particularly well-known. I think
that the obvious source of inspiration had been the comics which he had
seen at Dell, the publishing house for which he had been working. At that
time, the most successful dinosaur comic book was being pubished, _Turok:
Son of Stone_: a hero created by Matthew Murfy and Alberto Gioletti. It
is about the adventures of two indians trapped in a prehistoric valley
somewhere in Arizona or New Mexico, before the discovery of America. What
a strange, beautiful idea for a comic book! The series was published
from 1954 to 1980, always drawn by Gioletti, who also drew a quite
good comics adaptation of _King Kong_ in 1968. Barks _Forbidden Valley_
is more similar to teh _lost Valley_ of _Turok_ than to _King Kong's_
island or the plateau on which Arthur Conan Doyle places his _Lost
World_. Based on all this, I;d bet that _Turok's_ adventures gave Carl
Barks the isnpiration for the creation of his _Forbidden Valley_. [Opening
quotes do not close].
[And if Don didn't provide them with scans of the comic book covers
decorating this article, I am suitably impressed.]
[Caption]
Poster from Merian Cooper and Ernest Schoedsack's _King Kong_, which
was shown in 1933.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Some might say that I was educated *too* well; that despite my father's
hopes, I developed a sense of morality."
-----
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ducks, gorillas and dinosaurs in the blender
Return to Forbidden Valley
Don Rosa presents the sequel to one of Carl Barks' most classic stories.
The return to _Forbidden Valley_ is a sequel to three stories by Carl
Barks! It is based on _A Spicy Tale_ (_Komix_ #71) and on _Forbidden
Valley_ (_Komix_ #10), while I have added a brush stroke from _Trail of
the Unicorn_ (_Komix_ #7). The first story gave me the idea about the
nutmeg, the reason I needed to have the Ducks travel to the sources of
the Amazon, while the last one gives one more reason for Uncle Scrooge
to be interested in _Forbidden Valley_: it is the collection of animals
for his zoo.
At least a decade before been given the opportunity to write
it, I had wanted to write a sequel to _Forbidden Valley_. I love
dinosaurs! Everybody loves dinosaurs! An when I was little, _Forbidden
Valley_ had been one of my favorite stories. Even though the Ducks'
passing through this valley is brief, the story was, despite this,
most exciting. When I began working for _Gladstone_ in America, teh
publisher didn't want me to write sequels to Barks' stories, and he was
right, because the average American comics reader would not remember his
original stories, which had been out of print for a long time... Later,
of course, _Gladstone_ would bring them back into the light! However,
when I started working for _Egmont_ in Europe, who wanted me to write
sequels to the classics Barks stories, I was late in returning to that
idea, until teh people at _Egmont_ asked me for a sequel to _Forbidden
Valley_! In my initial script there were no flash backs with the
recreation of original panels from Barks' story. I added these panels
later, after a request by the editors [who, I assume, are the "people
in charge" mentioned in the Greek text]. This gave me great pleasure,
as this way I was able to bind my story even more directly to the story
I had read when I was seven years old!
I know how familiar today's children are with dinosaurs. This is why my
references to them had to be most precise. I used relevant encyclopedias,
and one of my most important references was the book that was illustrated
by my friend William Stout, the painter and artist whom I am certain
that many friends of comics know. The prehistoric monsters appearing
in my story may not come from te same period, but I think that they
are depicted quite faithfully regarding their form and size... Apart,
of course, from taht aquatic creaturem which I magnified considerably,
to make it look more threatening! Perhaps it had drunk from the filter
of that witch doctor in _A Spicy Tale_...
As a fanatic movie buff I could not avoid certain refernces to the best
"monster-centered" movie of all times: _King Kong_. Do not look for
references to _Jurassic Park_... There aren't any. This does not mean
that I did not like _Jurassic Park_. Hoewever, these movies do not hae
the spirit of _King Kong_... Now, thanks to computers, the producers of
a mvovie have the ability to create real-looking dinosaurs with great
ease. For the viewer, however, it was admirable how well the could
manage during that time, despite the low budget and te lack of means,
to animate miniature models. No movie of that kind is going to surpass
_King Kong_. It is perhaps one of the five best movies of all time.
Besides, I love old school movies. In the inital script there had been
even more gags based on refernces to _King Kong_, which, however, I
removed when I added the flash backs to Barks' story, as they weren't of
particular importance to the development of the story. My movie references
may be extremely vague, without purpose, and slightly irritating... Yes,
this is probably so. However, this has not stopped me until now, and it
is never going to prevent me from incorporating them into my stories!
[Signed]
Don Rosa
[Caption, left page]
One of the main actors in _Escape from the Forbidden Valley_, which Don
Rosa drew in full detail.
[Caption, right page, top]
A Barksian flash back by Don Rosa. Don draws classic panels by uncle
Carl. He recomposes teh drawings of the great master to fit them in his
own story.
[Caption, bottom]
The cover of a book on dinosaurs illustrated by Wiliam Stout. Don was
inspired by William Stout's dinosaur drawings.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Don Rosa comments on Carl Barks' _Forbidden Valley_
Carl Barks' Sources
From King Kong to Turok: all the possible influences that Barks may
have had when drawing his own lost world.
What had been the source of inspiration for Carl Barks' _Forbidden
Valley_? In his book _The Disney that Never Was_, Charles Solomon presents
a script that uncle Carl had submitted to the _Disney Studio_ during the
1930s, which has many similarities with the plot of _King Kong_. _Komix_
pointed this out to Don, and this is his reply: "_King Kong_ and the old
script may have been a source of inspiration, in part. However, the movie
takes place on an island and not in South America, and refers to a huge
gorilla, who is completely absent from _Forbidden Valley_. If we must
choose a more immediate source of inspiration, this must be the first
movie adaptation of Arthur Conan Doyle's _Lost World_, in 1925, which
Barks could very well have seen. I often wonder what could have given
Barks the idea to write a story about a "lost world full of dinosaurs"
in 1957. However, no movie of that time, which could have inspired him,
comes to mind. The only movies about lost worlds and dinosaurs, which
were filmed after _King Kong_, had been the _Unknown Island_ [?] in 1948,
the _Two Lost Worlds_ [?] in 1950, and the _Lost Continent_ [?] in 1951.
However, these movies had not been particularly well-known. I think
that the obvious source of inspiration had been the comics which he had
seen at Dell, the publishing house for which he had been working. At that
time, the most successful dinosaur comic book was being pubished, _Turok:
Son of Stone_: a hero created by Matthew Murfy and Alberto Gioletti. It
is about the adventures of two indians trapped in a prehistoric valley
somewhere in Arizona or New Mexico, before the discovery of America. What
a strange, beautiful idea for a comic book! The series was published
from 1954 to 1980, always drawn by Gioletti, who also drew a quite
good comics adaptation of _King Kong_ in 1968. Barks _Forbidden Valley_
is more similar to teh _lost Valley_ of _Turok_ than to _King Kong's_
island or the plateau on which Arthur Conan Doyle places his _Lost
World_. Based on all this, I;d bet that _Turok's_ adventures gave Carl
Barks the isnpiration for the creation of his _Forbidden Valley_. [Opening
quotes do not close].
[And if Don didn't provide them with scans of the comic book covers
decorating this article, I am suitably impressed.]
[Caption]
Poster from Merian Cooper and Ernest Schoedsack's _King Kong_, which
was shown in 1933.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Some might say that I was educated *too* well; that despite my father's
hopes, I developed a sense of morality."
-----
Kriton Kyrimis
Articles from Komix #169
Message 6 -
2002-09-02 at 08:51:12
Here is the translation of a news item and an article from Komix #169:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[From the "News of Komix" column.]
New Story by Don
----------------
Back to the Past
In the new story by Don Rosa, which has not been published yet, the
beagle boys steal from Gyro a device that allows them to enter into
Scrooge's mind while he is sleeping, hoping to learn the combination
of his money bin. However, what they discover is that the Duckburg
Croesus is not dreaming of riches, but of the days of his youth. This
idea allows Don to introduce the Beagle Boys and Donald, who goes
after them, in the world of the _Life & Times_, the epic biography
which gave him the Eisner Award. "The uniqueness of this story lies
in that the Beagle Boys and Donald affect Scrooge's Dreams, with the
result that real events are changed. It is an incredible trick: it is
not time travel, and I don't change anything that's happened. However,
they all seem to be actually happening again... In Scrooge's dreams,
that is!" Don told us. Moreover, the story is of particular interest,
as we learn more about the relationship between Scrooge and Goldie:
"The first and last scene are about Scrooge's best dream: the fire scene
in the Black Jack Saloon, in Klondike, which, in Scrooge's dreams takes
an unexpected turn", Don confided to us.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Travels in history, in search of the footsteps of Carl Barks
The Lost Charts of Columbus
Don Rosa talks to _Komix_, presents _The Lost Charts of Columbus_ and
explains how he decided to write the sequel to Carl Barks' legendary
story, _The Golden Helmet_.
The sequel to _The Golden Helmet_ was requested by my publishers
in Norway. Most of the "sequels" to Barks' stories are such
"commissions". Their readers had been requesting their favorite stories
from them, but the publishers had not found an artist who could cope. They
hired me for this reason... My main occupation had been the "sequels"
of stories by Carl Barks.
Why a sequel to _The Golden Helmet_ in particular?
_The Golden Helmet_ had always been the top request from Norwegian
readers, perhaps because Barks shows as the owner of America Olaf the
Blue, a Viking. And, by coincidence, this had also been my favorite story
when I was a child. It is true that Scrooge does not appear. However,
there are all of my other favorite ingredients: adventure, humor,
and historical references that are so real, that, when I was a kid,
I believed that they might have been true.
Barks seems to be playing with history. In _The Lost Charts of Columbus_,
however, the reference to Olaf's story is brief.
That had been the first problem that I had to solve when I began
writing the sequel to _The Golden Helmet_. However, I didn't have any
other choice. I preferred not to "recycle" Barks' idea, that someone
tries to become emperor of North America trying to obtain Olaf's Golden
Helmet. Thus, I decided to make it clear from the start that the Helmet
has no value, even though I was afraid that this was not going to please
my Norwegian friends! I preferred to write about all the other explorers
who are supposed to have discovered the New World. Although it seems
to be absurd to talk about the "discovery" of a continent, when so many
peoples had been living there for twelve thousand years!
There's no need to ask if the historic data are authentic...
All the historic data of this story, which was written in 1995, are one
hundred per cent authentic. There are historians who believe that these
ancient travelers really reached America, and that all these travels
really took place--apart from the one mentioned in the last page--,
although there is no conclusive proof. However, it has been pointed out
to me that the plot of the story does not make sense, as the so-called
"Code of Discovery" was drafted only in 792 AD, while I'm referring
to even older explorers. Nevertheless, the problem can be solved: we
only have to assume that Charlemagne stated that this law was in effect
retroactively! I only hope that the translators of my stories respect the
names of the historic persons and do not replace them with funny names,
as this would destroy the foundation of the story!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"If you can't stand the cold, stay out of the freezer!"
-----
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[From the "News of Komix" column.]
New Story by Don
----------------
Back to the Past
In the new story by Don Rosa, which has not been published yet, the
beagle boys steal from Gyro a device that allows them to enter into
Scrooge's mind while he is sleeping, hoping to learn the combination
of his money bin. However, what they discover is that the Duckburg
Croesus is not dreaming of riches, but of the days of his youth. This
idea allows Don to introduce the Beagle Boys and Donald, who goes
after them, in the world of the _Life & Times_, the epic biography
which gave him the Eisner Award. "The uniqueness of this story lies
in that the Beagle Boys and Donald affect Scrooge's Dreams, with the
result that real events are changed. It is an incredible trick: it is
not time travel, and I don't change anything that's happened. However,
they all seem to be actually happening again... In Scrooge's dreams,
that is!" Don told us. Moreover, the story is of particular interest,
as we learn more about the relationship between Scrooge and Goldie:
"The first and last scene are about Scrooge's best dream: the fire scene
in the Black Jack Saloon, in Klondike, which, in Scrooge's dreams takes
an unexpected turn", Don confided to us.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Travels in history, in search of the footsteps of Carl Barks
The Lost Charts of Columbus
Don Rosa talks to _Komix_, presents _The Lost Charts of Columbus_ and
explains how he decided to write the sequel to Carl Barks' legendary
story, _The Golden Helmet_.
The sequel to _The Golden Helmet_ was requested by my publishers
in Norway. Most of the "sequels" to Barks' stories are such
"commissions". Their readers had been requesting their favorite stories
from them, but the publishers had not found an artist who could cope. They
hired me for this reason... My main occupation had been the "sequels"
of stories by Carl Barks.
Why a sequel to _The Golden Helmet_ in particular?
_The Golden Helmet_ had always been the top request from Norwegian
readers, perhaps because Barks shows as the owner of America Olaf the
Blue, a Viking. And, by coincidence, this had also been my favorite story
when I was a child. It is true that Scrooge does not appear. However,
there are all of my other favorite ingredients: adventure, humor,
and historical references that are so real, that, when I was a kid,
I believed that they might have been true.
Barks seems to be playing with history. In _The Lost Charts of Columbus_,
however, the reference to Olaf's story is brief.
That had been the first problem that I had to solve when I began
writing the sequel to _The Golden Helmet_. However, I didn't have any
other choice. I preferred not to "recycle" Barks' idea, that someone
tries to become emperor of North America trying to obtain Olaf's Golden
Helmet. Thus, I decided to make it clear from the start that the Helmet
has no value, even though I was afraid that this was not going to please
my Norwegian friends! I preferred to write about all the other explorers
who are supposed to have discovered the New World. Although it seems
to be absurd to talk about the "discovery" of a continent, when so many
peoples had been living there for twelve thousand years!
There's no need to ask if the historic data are authentic...
All the historic data of this story, which was written in 1995, are one
hundred per cent authentic. There are historians who believe that these
ancient travelers really reached America, and that all these travels
really took place--apart from the one mentioned in the last page--,
although there is no conclusive proof. However, it has been pointed out
to me that the plot of the story does not make sense, as the so-called
"Code of Discovery" was drafted only in 792 AD, while I'm referring
to even older explorers. Nevertheless, the problem can be solved: we
only have to assume that Charlemagne stated that this law was in effect
retroactively! I only hope that the translators of my stories respect the
names of the historic persons and do not replace them with funny names,
as this would destroy the foundation of the story!
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Articles from Komix #168-9
Message 7 -
2002-09-02 at 13:01:51
Hi!
A short message to thank you, Kriton, for the scans and all the article translations you provide us
with: thanks a lot!
Best wishes to all,
Olivier
A short message to thank you, Kriton, for the scans and all the article translations you provide us
with: thanks a lot!
Best wishes to all,
Olivier
H.W.Fluks
The Afrikaans [OT]
Message 8 -
2002-09-02 at 13:10:42
Simon:
> > I think calling the Afrikaans people a *race* is only
> > encouraging people to
> > make assumptions about political and social views...
>
> Apologies that this is way off topic, but Harry what do you
> mean?
The Afrikaans people is a people. One of the 12 (or so) peoples living in
South Africa. The English-speaking white people are a different people. But
they are the same race. When you mix up the words people and race, it's
easier for others to use the word "racist" inappropriate.
(Note that I am *not* implying here that you *are* a racist! You probably
just chose some wrong wording.)
> I immigrated to Europe from Southern Africa & am
> stunned over the amount of anti-afrikaans prejudice there is
> in Europe. Just the kind of thing I thought I'd left behind.
> (and yes, I know the Afrikaans dominated the apartheid
> regime but that is not grounds to be anti- all Afrikaaners ).
Right. But that's how things go: after World War II, all Germans were bad.
After September last year, all muslims were bad. And in the Arabian world,
all Americans were bad. We can only try to fight this by making people
*think*.
--Harry.
> > I think calling the Afrikaans people a *race* is only
> > encouraging people to
> > make assumptions about political and social views...
>
> Apologies that this is way off topic, but Harry what do you
> mean?
The Afrikaans people is a people. One of the 12 (or so) peoples living in
South Africa. The English-speaking white people are a different people. But
they are the same race. When you mix up the words people and race, it's
easier for others to use the word "racist" inappropriate.
(Note that I am *not* implying here that you *are* a racist! You probably
just chose some wrong wording.)
> I immigrated to Europe from Southern Africa & am
> stunned over the amount of anti-afrikaans prejudice there is
> in Europe. Just the kind of thing I thought I'd left behind.
> (and yes, I know the Afrikaans dominated the apartheid
> regime but that is not grounds to be anti- all Afrikaaners ).
Right. But that's how things go: after World War II, all Germans were bad.
After September last year, all muslims were bad. And in the Arabian world,
all Americans were bad. We can only try to fight this by making people
*think*.
--Harry.
Kriton Kyrimis
Articles from Komix #168-9
Message 9 -
2002-09-02 at 14:09:26
> A short message to thank you, Kriton, for the scans and all the article
> translations you provide us with: thanks a lot!
You're welcome!
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> translations you provide us with: thanks a lot!
You're welcome!
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Off-Topic The Chickadees
Message 10 -
2002-09-02 at 14:40:10
> I checked Gerd's references: WDC&S 181, 260, and 280,
> and he has the correct information.
Shouldn't that be "she"? Or is this a name that can be male or female on two
different languages, just like "Janne" (which is male in Swedish, female in
Norwegian)?
> and he has the correct information.
Shouldn't that be "she"? Or is this a name that can be male or female on two
different languages, just like "Janne" (which is male in Swedish, female in
Norwegian)?
Kriton Kyrimis
The Lost Fleece of Columbus
Message 11 -
2002-09-02 at 14:47:44
DON said about "The Lost Charts of Columbus" (translated back to English):
> All the historic data of this story, which was written in 1995, are one
> hundred per cent authentic. There are historians who believe that these
> ancient travelers really reached America, and that all these travels
> really took place
There may be an even older traveler who reached America from
Europe: According to American archaeologist Henriette Mertz, the ancient
Greeks had traveled to America, the legend of Jason and the Argonauts
refers to a such a trip, and Colchis was somewhere in South America! (See,
e.g, http://www.ancientgr.com/archaeonia/religion/heroes/jason.htm)
If this claim is true, then a search for the earliest European visitor to
America would end in the home of the Larkies, making "The Lost Charts of
Columbus" a sequel to both "The Golden Helmet" and "The Golden Fleecing"!
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> All the historic data of this story, which was written in 1995, are one
> hundred per cent authentic. There are historians who believe that these
> ancient travelers really reached America, and that all these travels
> really took place
There may be an even older traveler who reached America from
Europe: According to American archaeologist Henriette Mertz, the ancient
Greeks had traveled to America, the legend of Jason and the Argonauts
refers to a such a trip, and Colchis was somewhere in South America! (See,
e.g, http://www.ancientgr.com/archaeonia/religion/heroes/jason.htm)
If this claim is true, then a search for the earliest European visitor to
America would end in the home of the Larkies, making "The Lost Charts of
Columbus" a sequel to both "The Golden Helmet" and "The Golden Fleecing"!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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Correct URL:s??
Message 12 -
2002-09-02 at 16:10:52
Hi!
http://www.mailotron.forez.com/sites/livia/index.php3
http://mailotron.forez.com/alfredsirven/index.php3
Trying to update links listing of Finnish Donaldists' site. But where are
Livia and great page about Brasilian Disney Comics? links above doesn't
work...
Timo
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http://www.mailotron.forez.com/sites/livia/index.php3
http://mailotron.forez.com/alfredsirven/index.php3
Trying to update links listing of Finnish Donaldists' site. But where are
Livia and great page about Brasilian Disney Comics? links above doesn't
work...
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
¨¨ Personal:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
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http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
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Off-Topic The Chickadees
Message 13 -
2002-09-02 at 16:46:28
Olaf:
> Shouldn't that be "she"? Or is this a name that can be male or female on two
> different languages, just like "Janne" (which is male in Swedish, female in
> Norwegian)?
I suppose you are referring to my name and not Mrs. Ramrod(d)'s? :-)
In German, "Gerd" is a purely male name (as most of the Italian soccer
fans on this list will know ;-)). The corresponding female form is
"Gerda".
And to get just a bit more OT, I remember some twenty years ago there
was a (feminist) novel written by a Norwegian author called "Gerd
So-and-so" (don't remember her last name). When it was published in
Germany, they abbreviated her name on the cover as "G. So-and-so" in
order not to confuse readers ...
Gerd
> Shouldn't that be "she"? Or is this a name that can be male or female on two
> different languages, just like "Janne" (which is male in Swedish, female in
> Norwegian)?
I suppose you are referring to my name and not Mrs. Ramrod(d)'s? :-)
In German, "Gerd" is a purely male name (as most of the Italian soccer
fans on this list will know ;-)). The corresponding female form is
"Gerda".
And to get just a bit more OT, I remember some twenty years ago there
was a (feminist) novel written by a Norwegian author called "Gerd
So-and-so" (don't remember her last name). When it was published in
Germany, they abbreviated her name on the cover as "G. So-and-so" in
order not to confuse readers ...
Gerd
Dim I Nticoudis
Colchis in Greek Myth
Message 14 -
2002-09-02 at 22:28:49
This theory seems to have gained popularity in Greece since there are
several books based on it published every year.I dfon't think it sounds very
convincing.Though there is some confusion in the legends whether the
Argonauts headed in a western or an eastern direction the name of Colchis
does not only appear in legend.The territory which Greeks called Colchis is
now a part of the modern Republic of Georgia.At the time of the Barks story
it was part of the U.S.S.R.Both Greek and Roman authors have left as plenty
of information on the history of the area and modern archeologist have added
to the picture.I don't see why the mythical and the historical Colchis
should be considered different places.
Furthermore the myth doesn't believe Jason was the first person to reach
Colchis from Greece, at least if you take into account the versions of
Apollonius of Rhodos and his contemporaries.According to them Aeetes was the
first Greek in the area. Aeetes was the son of Helios, the Sun God and his
wife Perseis.His father,who served as protector god of Corinth along with
Poseidon, managed to crown his son King of Corinth.Aeete's sisters were:
1)Circe, the witch who ruled her own island and later became a lover of
Oddysseus and mother of several of his children.
2)and Pasiphaa , the wife of King Minos of Crete and mother of among
others Minotaur.According to the story Aeetes grew restles with time and
decided to leave the throne of Corinth.He chose a replacement and agreed
that if he or his descedents returned to Corinth the replacement and his
descedents would return the throne too.After that he started jurnying for a
while tilled he reached the area he chose to build Colchis and became King
of his own city rather than that of his father.Jason only arrived when
Aeetes was already an aging man.
Circe's own island was placed in the Tyrrhenian Sea and Jason and
Medea,Aeetes daughter,and the Argonauts are supposed to have stopped there
so that Medea's aunt would cleare them from their guilt of the murder of
Apsirt, Medea's brother.
Whether they got there from Georgia or America is probably a matter of
speculation but what seems more probable?
The only Barks stories that seem connected to the Argonauts myth besides
"The Golden Fleecing" seems to be "Oddball Odyssey" where Magica DeSpell
claims to be a distant descedant of Circe and actualy finds her wand and her
writings and "The Many Faces of Magica DeSpell" where she translates another
one of Circe's spells.Whether Miss DeSpell is "truly" a descedant of Circe
and thus also the descedant of Helios and distant relation of Aeetes
,Pasiphaa, Medea, Minotaur and many other persons from Greek Mythologie is
probably open for anyone to speculate.
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several books based on it published every year.I dfon't think it sounds very
convincing.Though there is some confusion in the legends whether the
Argonauts headed in a western or an eastern direction the name of Colchis
does not only appear in legend.The territory which Greeks called Colchis is
now a part of the modern Republic of Georgia.At the time of the Barks story
it was part of the U.S.S.R.Both Greek and Roman authors have left as plenty
of information on the history of the area and modern archeologist have added
to the picture.I don't see why the mythical and the historical Colchis
should be considered different places.
Furthermore the myth doesn't believe Jason was the first person to reach
Colchis from Greece, at least if you take into account the versions of
Apollonius of Rhodos and his contemporaries.According to them Aeetes was the
first Greek in the area. Aeetes was the son of Helios, the Sun God and his
wife Perseis.His father,who served as protector god of Corinth along with
Poseidon, managed to crown his son King of Corinth.Aeete's sisters were:
1)Circe, the witch who ruled her own island and later became a lover of
Oddysseus and mother of several of his children.
2)and Pasiphaa , the wife of King Minos of Crete and mother of among
others Minotaur.According to the story Aeetes grew restles with time and
decided to leave the throne of Corinth.He chose a replacement and agreed
that if he or his descedents returned to Corinth the replacement and his
descedents would return the throne too.After that he started jurnying for a
while tilled he reached the area he chose to build Colchis and became King
of his own city rather than that of his father.Jason only arrived when
Aeetes was already an aging man.
Circe's own island was placed in the Tyrrhenian Sea and Jason and
Medea,Aeetes daughter,and the Argonauts are supposed to have stopped there
so that Medea's aunt would cleare them from their guilt of the murder of
Apsirt, Medea's brother.
Whether they got there from Georgia or America is probably a matter of
speculation but what seems more probable?
The only Barks stories that seem connected to the Argonauts myth besides
"The Golden Fleecing" seems to be "Oddball Odyssey" where Magica DeSpell
claims to be a distant descedant of Circe and actualy finds her wand and her
writings and "The Many Faces of Magica DeSpell" where she translates another
one of Circe's spells.Whether Miss DeSpell is "truly" a descedant of Circe
and thus also the descedant of Helios and distant relation of Aeetes
,Pasiphaa, Medea, Minotaur and many other persons from Greek Mythologie is
probably open for anyone to speculate.
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Don Rosa's Sequels for Gladstone
Message 15 -
2002-09-02 at 22:29:25
Thanks to Krinton Kyrimis for the posts translating Rosa's
descriptions of some of his sequel stories. When will these stories
ever be published in their (original!) English? We monolinguists
in English-speaking countries still can't read his recent
stories, and all his foreign fans who have translated versions also
want to see Don's original English, too.
I was very surprised to see the following quote of Don Rosa:
"When I began working for _Gladstone_ in America, the
publisher DIDN'T want me to write sequels to Barks' stories, and he was
right, because the average American comics reader would not remember his
original stories, which had been out of print for a long time... Later,
of course, _Gladstone_ would bring them back into the light!"
But Don's first story, "Son of the Sun (AR102)" was first published
by Gladstone in US219 in 1987; it was a sequel to US26 "Prize of Pizarro"
and was full of Barks references. It was a tremendous success, and
there were 5 other sequel stories (AR103, 106, 113, 125, and 130) in
the next 2 years during Gladstone's first run up through 1989.
These were "Nobody's Business" sequel to C&S155 "Some Heir over the Rainbow";
"Cash Flow" sequel to US8 "Message from Mysterious Island";
"Last Sled to Dawson" sequel to "Back to the Klondike" and US59 "North of
the Yukon"; "Crockodile Collector" sequel to "Trail of the Unicorn"; and
"Return to Plain Awful" sequel to "Lost in the Andes". These were all
tremendous sequel stories, but I still like "Return to Xanadu" the best.
----Larry Giver.
descriptions of some of his sequel stories. When will these stories
ever be published in their (original!) English? We monolinguists
in English-speaking countries still can't read his recent
stories, and all his foreign fans who have translated versions also
want to see Don's original English, too.
I was very surprised to see the following quote of Don Rosa:
"When I began working for _Gladstone_ in America, the
publisher DIDN'T want me to write sequels to Barks' stories, and he was
right, because the average American comics reader would not remember his
original stories, which had been out of print for a long time... Later,
of course, _Gladstone_ would bring them back into the light!"
But Don's first story, "Son of the Sun (AR102)" was first published
by Gladstone in US219 in 1987; it was a sequel to US26 "Prize of Pizarro"
and was full of Barks references. It was a tremendous success, and
there were 5 other sequel stories (AR103, 106, 113, 125, and 130) in
the next 2 years during Gladstone's first run up through 1989.
These were "Nobody's Business" sequel to C&S155 "Some Heir over the Rainbow";
"Cash Flow" sequel to US8 "Message from Mysterious Island";
"Last Sled to Dawson" sequel to "Back to the Klondike" and US59 "North of
the Yukon"; "Crockodile Collector" sequel to "Trail of the Unicorn"; and
"Return to Plain Awful" sequel to "Lost in the Andes". These were all
tremendous sequel stories, but I still like "Return to Xanadu" the best.
----Larry Giver.