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Fernando Ventura
Fabio,

Since Internet and DCML is so good to present the NEWS about comics, I think
an good fanzine at ower time is the one that present very good articles
analisyng the comics, the collector's things, the history! And with
interviews, for example! It's good to present fan's or creator's never
before seen works too! :-)

Specially talking about Disney comics!

An good fanzine, I think, is the same that an very good site about comics,
with the exception that an Website is much more able to present the news!
But an fanzine can contains much more text!

If you accept one subject, I loved to read about Disney Comics in Argentina;
an very unexplored subject in Disney comics history. And about Doc Savage, I
don't know anything to suggest! I think you are the best to talk about him
around this list, you know... :-)

Fer!
Timo Ronkainen
>Well, I know some of you have experience on fanzines, so I would like know
>about what I can publish and what no in a Disney comics fanzine.

Do you need suggestions for possible contain, or advice of what you *can*
print on fanzine?
Normally fanzine contains analytical articles, nostalgic looks on some
creator's work, critique etc, and The Fair Usage Doctrine allows the use of
small elements from a total creative work for purposes of criticism and
commentary. It is perfectly legal to print excerpts from Disney comic within
an article and such. No matter what Disney corporation might say.
Swedish, German, Danish and Finnish Duck-fanzines have carried lots of
Disney images for years without problems. And there is so called Bern
agreement of 1886 concerning copyright laws. I think it is called
International Copyright Treaty. It gives you a right to do small citations
from any creative work. As far as I know The United States joined wholly the
Bern Convention in 1989. All European countries have ratified this treaty
also.
Notify that I'm not a legal expert, and you can always ask how much is "fair
usage".

Timo

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Fabio Blanco
Thanks Fer and Timo:
I know that internet offer best space for
scan comics, more readers and a wide range. But here in Argentina, like some
unfortunated places of earth, the virtues of the "ducks" comics have been
forgotten. If Don Rosa, Daan Jiipes and the ghost of Unca Carl come to
Buenos Aires to present a magazine of 100 pages of classic Uncle Scrooge
stories, everybody'll say... "uh?, Wos dat? thats are comics for children
that will prefer Little Mermaid or that sweety Tarzan rounded by lil talking
animals"

So, I think that we need a fandom. Rescue the memories of old Donald and
Scrooge readers, talk about Carl Barks and Don Rosa and about the respect of
these comics in Europe ( par example). We need have adults that dont have
shame to read Donald comics in public, so his childrens can imitate them.
And for this we need "Disney comics" than these adults can read!!!
Here's my idea of a fanzine, like a first step to rescue these wonderful
comics, for try have a fandom that move the local representation of Disney
that here can exists a public (Radio Disney direct to teenagers tell his
speakers not mention nothing related to "childish things" like comics of
Donald Duck)...

Just now I am thinking in U.S.A. were maybe neither are kids reading Carl
Barks comics. The difference is my country is in default, and in the black
list of economists.

I don't know. I always say that the magic word for comic lovers is "to be
continued" (continuara, a seguir). I keep thinking ways to keep the comic
live...

Thanks again, kids...

FABIO

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>
> >Well, I know some of you have experience on fanzines, so I would like
know
> >about what I can publish and what no in a Disney comics fanzine.
>
> Do you need suggestions for possible contain, or advice of what you *can*
> print on fanzine?
> Normally fanzine contains analytical articles, nostalgic looks on some
> creator's work, critique etc, and The Fair Usage Doctrine allows the use
of
> small elements from a total creative work for purposes of criticism and
> commentary. It is perfectly legal to print excerpts from Disney comic
within
> an article and such. No matter what Disney corporation might say.
> Swedish, German, Danish and Finnish Duck-fanzines have carried lots of
> Disney images for years without problems. And there is so called Bern
> agreement of 1886 concerning copyright laws. I think it is called
> International Copyright Treaty. It gives you a right to do small citations
> from any creative work. As far as I know The United States joined wholly
the
> Bern Convention in 1989. All European countries have ratified this treaty
> also.
> Notify that I'm not a legal expert, and you can always ask how much is
"fair
> usage".
>
> Timo
>
>
> ^^''*''^^
> Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
> Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
> YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
> 20540 Turku ------------------- -
> Finland ----------------------- -
> timoro at hotmail.com
> timoro at sunpoint.net
> ?? Personal:
> http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
> ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
> http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
> .................................
> "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee!
> Go sit on cowslip - far from me!"
>
>
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Kriton Kyrimis
Here's what's in this month's issue of Komix:

* Cover by Russel Schroeder, from Mickey And Donald #6. I have put a
scan of the cover at http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix172.jpg
* Two pages of letters.
* Two pages with "The News of Komix". Among the news items is a reference
to DC Comics' "Fables", which is about the heroes of fairy tales living
in modern New York. I wonder how those people who petitioned Disney
about not making a sequel to Snow White would feel about this series
version of Snow White as a modern dynamic woman...
* "La Strada" (I 1866-B), written by Massimo Marconi and drawn by Giorgio
Cavazzano, based on (or, more likely, a homage to) Fellini's movie of
the same name. I can't say I liked the story (don't bother throwing
those rotten eggs at me--I wrote this text yesterday, so I have had
plenty of time to duck!) but I was amazed by the way Cavazzano drew
this story in the style of Floyd Gottfredson, including the stipple
pattern used for shading.
* A two-page article titled "Mickey in Cinecita", subtitled "the back
stage of Giorgio Cavazzano's _La Strada_".
* A three-page interview with Luca Boschi titled "Federico Fellini and
Comics", subtitled "the imaginary heroes of a great director".
* "Good Deeds" (W WDC 229-01) by Carl Barks, from the October 1959
issue of Walt Disney's Comics and Stories.
* A two-page article titled "Rosa's First Steps", subtitled "Don Rosa
presents _Nobody's Business_".
* "Nobody's Business_ (AR 103) by Don Rosa.
* "Power Pin Pickle" (W WDC 437-05) by Paul Murry.

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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Kriton Kyrimis
Here is the translation of an article from Komix #170. [As usual, comments
within square brackets are my own.]

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DETAILS AND SEARCHES
Don Rosa comments on the story _An Eye for Detail_

Don Rosa is, perhaps, the most severe critic of his work. He is often
left unsatisfied by stories that fascinate his friends... like _An Eye
for Detail_.

I collect in a notebook ideas for stories with the Ducks. One of the
ideas, that I wrote hastily one day, regarded Donald's innate talent to
distinguish between his three identical nephews. I thought that Donald
could be gifted with the ability to distinguish details. This ability of
his would allow him to notice, subconsciously, the most minute difference
between seemingly identical objects... and ducklings. Uncle Scrooge,
in turn, would try to take advantage, as usual, of his nephew's special
ability, in exchange for the usual thirty cents an hour, which he lavishly
provides him for his efforts.

THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN IDEA.

I some times come up with ideas that suggest that I can let them develop
on their own into complete stories, taking me along on a wild ride. I had
this feeling with short stories such as _On a Silver Platter_ (_Komix_
#86) or, more recently, _A Matter of Some Gravity_ (_Komix_ #141). In
both of these stories, the initial idea developed, almost by itself, into
a series of entertaining subversive[!] drawings, with Donald and Scrooge
being transported... in part to Magica's hide-away, or to move upside down
in half the panels of the story. And it is a fact that the more easily,
and without being forced, a story is written, the best the result is.

SQUEEZING THE BRAIN

Unfortunately, in the _Eye for Detail_ story, things were not so
easy... The idea was simple and entertaining... However, when I finally
decided to use it in 1994, it proved that creating the story was extremely
difficult. Indeed, I think that its final form is substantially different
from the initial summary, which I showed to my publisher, and he replied
that I had to "give it another go"... Some times, I feel that I'm looking
in the dark, when I do not manage to write a simple funny story, based
on a simple funny idea. I always felt that _An Eye for Detail_ was a
rather moderate story based on a seemingly good idea. Who knows... I
might do what Barks did and reuse this idea in a few years, to see if
I can write a completely different--and I hope even better--story.

[Signed] Don Rosa.

[Caption]

Don Rosa gives a particular... importance to detail [this is the Greek
title of the story] and does not omit dedicating his stories to uncle
Carl. He hides these dedications with abbreviations in the most incredible
places, such as in this broom [thanks, Komix, for spoiling the fun of
looking for the D.U.C.K. ourselves--is this the "search" to which the
title of the article refers?], where the initials D.U.C.K. (Dedicated
to Uncle Carl by Keno, alias Don Rosa), can be seen.

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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Kriton Kyrimis
Here is the translation of an article from Komix #171. [As usual,
comments within square brackets are my own.]

This is the last from my back log of translations. Starting next month,
I'll resume posting the translations of the previous month's issue along
with the presentation of the current issue of Komix.

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Don Rosa presents the Curse of Nostrildamus
Inspiration, Humor & other Mysteries

Don Rosa is inspired by the legend of Nostradamus. The chronicle of a
creation in the constellation of inspiration and humor.

I only have to say two things about this story, which I wrote in
1988. First of all, the English title is _The Curse of Nostrildamus_. The
English word "nostril" means nostril... It refers, that is, to one of
those orifices in the lower part of your nose, through which, usually,
you breathe... except at night, when you are asleep, and someone
nudges you because your snores are making a racket. This story is not,
then, about Nostradamus, but about Nostrildamus, who resembles the
familiar pig-faced residents of Duckburg, although with considerably
more sizable nostrils. This is a pun, which, most probably, cannot be
translated. [The name used in Greek, Nostramousoudamos, translates as
"Nostra-snout-damus".]

THE INSPIRATION

Secondly, perhaps I could use this story to give you a concrete
example about where I get the ideas for my stories. Those with a vivid
imagination, or those who function with that hemisphere of the brain
which facilitates this kind of reasoning, come up with story ideas with
ease. These ideas some times come too fast, all at once. The idea for
this particular story came to me when I heard on the television in the
next room a documentary about Michel de Notre Dame, i.e., Nostradamus,
the famous 16th century French astrologer, who is supposed to have
foreseen many of the events that have happened in the last 400 years.
In this documentary they spoke about a legend, according to which
Nostradamus had put a curse on anybody who would disturb the peace of his
eternal sleep. There also was another legend, saying that whoever drank
from Nostradamus' empty skull would obtain the ability to foresee the
future. The documentary continued with the adventure of a grave-digger,
who took advantage of the confusion during the French Revolution to locate
the tomb of the legendary astrologer. However, while he was drinking wine
from Nostradamus' skull, a stray bullet, from a nearby fight, left him
dead on the spot. My first thought was this: if this guy had obtained
the ability to foresee the future, since he had time to drink from the
skull, why didn't he duck to avoid the bullet?

UNEXPECTED INSPIRATION

At that moment I also obtained the ability to foresee the future... in the
sense that I saw at once the entire plot of the next uncle Scrooge adventure
that I was going to write. Of course, it goes without saying that I thought
that I would change the facts of the legend slightly, and say that the gift of
prophecy was given by an amulet. The reference to the authentic form of the
legend would have been a bit far-fetched for a story that would be published
in a children's magazine, although I can imagine that uncle Scrooge is making
similar dreams regarding Glomgold. [!!!]

I hope that all this has given you an idea about how I come up with ideas.
Inspiration may not come while you are watching a movie. Perhaps it will
be while you are reading a history book. Perhaps while you are gazing at
a beautiful sunset. And some day, when my reservoir of ideas has been
exhausted before I have finished paying for my house, I might try the
miraculous pendant of the French astrologer myself...

[Signed] Don Rosa

[Caption, p.1, left]
The prophecies of Nostradamus in comics. *Above* The "serious" version.
*Below* The comic approach by the Italian Carlo Peroni.

[Caption, p.1, right]
Don replaced the.. macabre elements of the legend with the amulet of
his own Nostrildamus, which gives uncle Scrooge the ability to make
disastrous predictions.

[Caption, p.2]
The title page of a less known and extremely rare work of Nostradamus:
the legendary astrologer reveals secrets for making jam and cosmetics.

[Translation of side panel titled "Who was Nostradamus" omitted.]

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Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Fabio Blanco
To: DCML
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 2:08 AM
Subject: what a fanzine can contain?

>Well, I know some of you have experience on fanzines, so I would like know about what I can publish and what no in >a Disney comics fanzine. Of course will be a very limited run of issues...
>
Hello,
I have been working on a fanzine for around one year, and I can tell you the organization and contents strongly depend on what the fanzine is about. Each type of fan-printed magazine has its own particular characteristic; for example, a friends' organization's fanzine will probably show a calendar with the organization's festivities, meetings, anniversaries, and such: or, fanzines about movies could sometimes publish fan art, fan fiction or interviews by the subscribed fans. Also, keep in mind a fanzine's print-cost is not so low: especially, those multi-paged, colored fanzines, are very expensive, and obviously not-so-common. Our fanzine was, for example, advertised - and mainly paid - by our school: each class's volunteers wrote their article(s) (according to which fields were still empty in the fanzine's organization), then, at the end of the month, articles were gathered, scanned, eventually corrected, and typed on the fanzine along with the graphic layout. The first copy was colored: later, the publisheds, among which I have been working, passed it to the headmistress, who photocopied a black and white issue for each student of the school. At the first days of the new month, when even the scholastic newspaper was around, some volunteers passed from class to class and they sold the issues for a very low price: considering the initiative had been welcomed by a lot of students, the result was enough to pay the packets of paper and the price of press. A fanzine whom readers are settled in different countries, is a bit different thing: usually, the fee for subscribers is a few more expensive, as the director will have to pay not only the print, but even the copies and the postal' cost.
Now, about the contents... there are some "basic" patterns a regular fanzine should follow, yet as I told above, it mainly depends on the fanzine itself. A comic fanzine could easily contain a list of rare or out-of-print issues; articles about the most memorable stories, or analyzing a story's detail: interviews and/or who-is-who page for autors: characters' informations: a list of misprints or mistakes in comics (the most immediate example I can think for a Disney comic is the famous "fourth nephew" of Donald): of course last news about Disney comics, as, for example, all known notices about a new upcoming story: the reader's opinion about it: and so on.
As I'm writing from Italy, I'm not sure if all the above fields are legal to be published in a fanzine in other states, but I hope this can help
Nancy McCallum
It is time for my biannual question. Does anyone have an update on
publication of Disney comics in the US? What is the status of the
negotiations with Steve Geppi/Diamond? If there is no progress is there
some productive way to help such as sending letters or, better e-mails, to
the appropriate Disney officials? Does any one have Michael Eisner's
personal e-mail address?

When you see all the Disney crap, including thousands of publications, that
is produced under licenses, it seems incomprehensible that an agreement
cannot be struck about something as mundane (yet important to some of us) as
comic books.

Is there no one at Disney that recognizes that for a generation (albeit an
older generation) that Disney was synonymous with the best and most popular
comic books in this country? Do they ever look at newsstands in foreign
countries and see the racks filled with Disney comics and wonder "gee,
whatever happened to Disney comic at home"? Do they even know or care that
a new Duck master, Don Rosa, is actively working but is not even published
in his native tongue and homeland?

Rob McCallum

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