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Donald D. Markstein
GlacierGod knows, I have nothing against comics produced for younger children, but I have to concur. Most Richie Rich comic books, despite the high-power talent that worked on them, were just plain dumb. Furthermore, as a parent and (recently) a grandparent, I must add that with his habit of buying his way out of any difficulty and his obsession with money (to the point where he named his dog "Dollar"), Richie Rich is among the worst role models in comics -- exceeded only by other Harvey characters, such as Little Lotta, whose atrocious eating habits lead not to early death, but to enthusiastic acceptance by her peers.

Not to get off topic, of course...

Quack, Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Simon DeBeer
To: 'dcml at stp.ling.uu.se'
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:06 AM
Subject: richie rich

>As for Richie Rich, I have nothing good to say about
>him. He's some creepy weedy little spoilt rich kid,
>wearing some dumb velvet pantaloons and bow tie. By
>rights all comics featuring the little milksop should
>be shredded.

I must vigorously disagree with these prejudiced & unnecessary comments. And in addition these views are in a minority. The Richie Rich character has appeared in one of the most successful comics of all time. He was illustrated by very talented artists such as Ernie Colon & Warren Kramer. The Harvey comics tended to appeal to younger children, not the 'mature' audience that now is interested in Scrooge McDuck. Hence they tended to be more light weight but nonetheless of high quality artwork. Please direct such scathing abuse to more worthy targets.

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Vic Pratt
Hello Simon

> I must vigorously disagree with these prejudiced &
> unnecessary comments.

Sorry, but I must vigorously disagree with your
vigorous disagreement. I maintain that Richie Rich is
a load of rubbish. Perhaps I am prejudiced against
L'il Richiekins, possibly because I've tried comics
featuring him at various times over the years, hoping
that one of these times I'll get lucky and find one
that at least holds my interest; invariably his
"adventures" are tedious in the extreme.
They should all be consigned to the dustheap of
history. As for my comments being unnecessary...yep,
my comments are unnecessary, as much as all the other
comments on this list are unnecessary (measurements of
money bins, etc.) but we don't write these mails
because they're necessary, do we? We do it for fun,
don't we?

And
> in addition these views are in a minority.

Yes, but since when were majority views invariably
correct? A zillion people buy every record by all
those tiresome manufactured pop bands, I still think
that they are junk. Minority views are just as valid
as majority views. It's all a matter of opinion.

The
> Richie Rich character has
> appeared in one of the most successful comics of all
> time.

Big deal, Superman is a successful comic, and I think
that's boring tosh too. Some of the best comics are
the least successful.

He was
> illustrated by very talented artists such as Ernie
> Colon & Warren Kramer.
> The Harvey comics tended to appeal to younger
> children, not the 'mature'
> audience that now is interested in Scrooge McDuck.

Yes, but Barks' Scrooge McDuck appealed to kids AND
adults. There lies part of its genius. And even as a
kid, when my gran brought me Richie Rich comics, I
didn't like them.

> Hence they tended to be
> more light weight but nonetheless of high quality
> artwork.

What good is the artwork without a decent story?

Please direct
> such scathing abuse to more worthy targets.

Boring production line stuff like this is a worthy
target. But that's just my opinion....if you like
them, good for you. No shortage of unwanted back
issues knocking about.

Best wishes

VIC

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Timo Ronkainen
> > Richie Rich character has
> > appeared in one of the most successful comics of all
> > time.

It was also made as major motion picture in 1994 starring Macaulay Culkin.
So it's not small comic at all, but it's all matter of taste whether it is
good or bad. :-) Richie Rich comics have never been published here in
Finland but the movie was shown here. Harvey Comics stuff have alvays
considered to be (as far as I know) on lower level of quality. Teenage Witch
Sabrina and Casper the Friendly Ghost are best known of them. Sorry if
someone likes them.

Timo

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Jaakko Pirinen
Hi..
I just bought the newest 'Aku Ankka' with second part of the "The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut" here in Finland and I'm quite confused. I know that in some countries Matilda's hair colour is brown and Hortensy's yellow (and this is what Don intended, if I'm not mistaken?), and in some countries including Finland it has always been counterwise. But with the first part of the Sharpie came a poster, and there the colours were (for the first time I've seen in Finland) right with Matilda's yellow hair and Hortensy's brown (was it coloured by Don himself, or in some country where they support the "right pattern"?).
But that's not the thing that confused me most: in the actual story, Scrooge's _both_ sisters had brown hair (Hortense's hair being a bit darker). And now, in the second part of the very same story, colours are again "normal" (ie. Matilda has brown hair and Hortense yellow)!
Could anyone tell what's happening?

Sincerely,
Jaakko

PS. And by the way, greetings to you all as this is my first post to the list, although I have been reading this for some time already :)
SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 9/25/2002 12:20:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
timoro at hotmail.com writes:

> Harvey Comics stuff have alvays
> considered to be (as far as I know) on lower level of quality. Teenage
> Witch
> Sabrina and Casper the Friendly Ghost are best known of them. Sorry if
> someone likes them.
>
Sabrinia is an Archie characther, you are thinking of Wendy

And while i never warmed up to Richie Rich, I can understand why somewould.
And I admit to collecting Harveys with art by Howie Post -- and some of the
Warren Kremer stuff. If you look at them as children's comics, they are
quite fun and enjoyable on that level.

steven rowe
Timo Ronkainen
>Sabrinia is an Archie characther, you are thinking of Wendy

Oops. Indeed. Sorry.
Archie-line of comics is just a little bit better than Harvey.. But that's
my opinion only. I know Archie Andrews and his gang is very popular in USA,
but here in Finland he never got much attention... Sunday newspaper edition
published for decades on weekly magazine "Apu". Few efforts have been made
during the years to launch his own book, but all failed after few issues.

And back to the Disney comics:
Fellow Finn Jaakko Pirinen wrote:
>"But that's not the thing that confused me most: in the actual story,
>Scrooge's _both_ sisters had brown hair (Hortense's hair being a bit
>darker). And now, in the second part of the very same story, colours are
>again "normal""

I didn't noticed that, but it's true! Don never colors his own work, nor
does anyone else. That's just strange mixup, I guess. How was this
hair-color done in other editions?
And welcome to the list, Jaakko!

Timo

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Luca Boschi
Hello, all!

Surely noone is interested in this matter, but I totally agree with Steven
Rowe. Warren Kremer is, imho, a real Maestro in funny animals (and funny
men) art. His works with Baby Huey, Buzzy the Crow, Herman & Katnip,
Nightmare, Spooky, Stumbo the Giant, Hot Stuff and so on display a very high
quality and a very original style, sometimes much more interesting and rich
of personality than some Western Publishing (more celebrated) books.
The comics book art of this characters is very often better than the related
movies which inspired it; surely, Little Audrey's, Baby Huey's and Casper's
comics are far more interesting and well done and funny than the animated
shorts created for the theatres and later broadcasted on YV.

Maybe it's difficult to find such good comic books at the convetions or in
the comics shops (even I found some in Malibu, two years ago and some in
Time Square - NY), so for this reason many young funny animals fans are not
able to get 'em to compare with some (quite bad) comics published today.
The same for Howard Post's stories, quite funny and inspirational (for
instance) for my own job in cartooning.
Surely, the later Richie Rich and Casper comics were not exactly
"masterpieces". The successful explosion of low quality Richie Rich's
titles, in the 70es, was a bad moment (even if highly profiteful for the
company) in Harvey's history, and the Richie Rich TV movies made in Japan
were as disgusting as - for example - the TV Archie's or the Little Lulu's
ones (not the theatrical ones, where also the Disney MAESTRO Bill Tytla
worked).

Is impossible to give Harvey titles the real dimension they deserve, in the
funny U.S. books universe, if not comparing 'em with (for example) "Fox &
Crow" at National DC, "Coo-Coo" and "Giggle" at ACG the late Felix by Otto
Messmer & Joe Oriolo, or Al Fago's crew creations like "Marmaduke Mouse".
Well, Charlton titles had a really low quality (but not all), and some of
the Archies.

Luca Boschi
Ari.Seppi
Soeren:
> In the German weekly Micky Maus the editors did some things relating
> to the (at that point) upcoming election of the German parliament.
> They published several stories related to politics over the last
> weeks and also did some elections for the major of Duckburg. An
> indirect link to the actual campaigns in Germany was the name of a
> small boy in one of the stories: Gerd-Edmund, mixing the first names
> of the two candidates Gerhard Schroeder and Edmund Stoiber...

We had a similar election in Finland in 2000 before the presidential
election, but in our election the mayor of Duckburg candidates were
quite directly linked to the actual presidential candidates.

The two main candidates were Mrs. Bear (Brer Bear's wife also
known as Tarja Halonen) and Chip (Dale's friend also known
as Esko Aho). If I remember correctly Chip won Aku Ankka's
election, but in the real presidential election Mrs. Bear won.
Age Middelkoop
Hello,

although this message is intended for the dutch members of the DCML, I thought the best would be to write it in english.

For some years now, I've been indexing parts of several dutch magazines. I've come to a point now where my own collection can't give me the data I need, simply because I don't own this or that issue myself.

My question therefor is: Are there any Dutch memebers that are willing and able to give specific info on a couple of dozen issues??? It would be even better if I'd be allowed to see the issues myself.

If you think you can help me with this, please contact me at:

agememnon75 at yahoo.com

Thanks,

Age

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H.W.Fluks
Jaakko Pirinen wrote:

> PS. And by the way, greetings to you all as this is my first
> post to the list

and

> PS. And by the way, greetings to you all as this is my first
> post to the list

No need to send your message twice, we got it the first time. 8-)
I can't say anything about the hair colours, but welcome to the list anyway!

--Harry.
H.W.Fluks
Larry asked:

> But then I thought, why is
> it so rare to see a duck as a background character in duck stories?
> Why are ducks such a small minority in Duckburg? Has a duck
> ever been mayor of Duckburg (since the founder, Cornelius Coot)?

In the Gyro story "Monsterville" (W OS 1184-02) there are several duck-bill
characters. Maybe even the mayor is a duck (I don't remember exactly).

It's remarkable that the stories with Gyro as the main character seem to be
in a different universe, where more duck-bills live, and where Scrooge's
money bin is on a street corner. Even in Barks' own stories, this
distinction is visible. I wonder why.

--Harry.
H.W.Fluks
Klaus Harms replied to me, 1 month ago:

> > I noticed (last month when I was in Germany) that Germans
> > call Ostfriesland
> > also simply "Friesland", making things quite complex
> > when talking with a Dutchman.
>
> To *add* to the confusion: I think you are in error here: There is a
> district officially named "Friesland" (Jever and Varel) that
> is outside
> of "Ostfriesland" (Emden, Leer, Wittmund and Aurich).

I didn't know that. But still, the conversation was like this:

- "Her name is Elke, that's a name originating from Friesland."
- "You mean it's a Dutch name?"
- "No, I mean Friesland in the North of Germany."

Since this conversation was held near Stuttgart (where detailed knowledge of
northern areas can't be expected), "Friesland" could mean any of the German
Frieslands, I guess...

> > Back to Disney comics...
>
> ... now!

Indeed!
--Harry.
Kriton Kyrimis
LARRY:

> But then I thought, why is
> it so rare to see a duck as a background character in duck stories?
> Why are ducks such a small minority in Duckburg? Has a duck
> ever been mayor of Duckburg (since the founder, Cornelius Coot)?

Cornelius Coot was not a duck, but a coot (a different kind of bird).
Apart from the Ducks, most of the other birds in duckburg are not ducks,
put parrots, chickens or swans. Perhaps this means that the Ducks are
really the only ducks in Duckburg, which does not sound so strange,
if we equate fowl species with family. The Duckburg Ducks seem to be
a small family, while almost everybody else are people who moved to
Duckburg when it became a large business center, after Scrooge built
his money bin there.

I guess that being the only ducks in Duckburg makes them stand out as
special, which I suppose they are. For some reason, a town of mostly
dog-faced people, with only a few ducks, reminds me of Monty Python's
"bicycle repairman" sketch! [For those who haven't seen it, it was
about a town where everybody looked like superman, except for the hero,
an ordinary bicycle repairman.]

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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Hi,
Is there anyone who can tell me somethingh about this comics
Walt Disney comics and stories n. 4 complimentary issue
Is it really so rare (overstreet says only five copy knows)?
Paolo Bontempi
Jaakko Pirinen
> No need to send your message twice, we got it the first time. 8-)
> I can't say anything about the hair colours, but welcome to the list anyway!

Well, I made myself look like an idiot same day I joined the conversation, quite a deed isn't it? Not every man can do that. ;)

Actually I posted the mail again because I thought the first mail wouldn't success to get to the list (because I send it not from my dcml-subscribed mail-address but another). But it did, and so did the second one, so there they are both. :? I'm sorry.

Jaakko
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