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SIGVALD in reaction to DAVE FENSKE:

>> Calvin & Hobbes is popular because it's both very funny
>> (not at all a bad thing), and it makes observations about
>> us (life, family, friendship, interactions with peers,
>> the world of the imagination, etc.) that are both
>> poignant and accurate.
>
> These qualities may fit well for a simple news paper
> strip, but IMO it looks a bit strange in big hard cover
> books.

Er, Sigvald? Dave is actually trying to say that Calvin &
Hobbes is, because of these very qualities, *not* a *simple*
newspaper strip.

>> I have a large collection of Disney comics from the
>> 60's, when I was young. Many contain great Barks
>> stories, but there are a lot of rather juvenile (and
>> totally shallow as far as reflections on life are
>> concerned)
>
> Of course they are - real quality comics should be

> concerned about entertaining not about reflecting.
> Well of course reflections itselves doesn't make a
> comics bad, but a comics can IMO *only* be concerned
> as good if it's entertaining - just like as it is
> with movies.

Are you trying to say that 'real quality comics' *should* be
'rather juvenile' and 'totally shallow'?

>> But a comic like Calvin & Hobbes, or Bloom County, is
>> about so much more. Sure, the humor is there, thankfully,
>> but those comics also contain a lot of insight, political
>> commentary, etc.
>
> So what? As stated above comics should IMO first be
> concerned
> about entertaining, not act like "60 minutes".

I think that reflections on 'life, the universe and
everything' *do* make a comic (or a book, or a movie) more
entertaining ('onderhoudend') and more worthwile to read.

(What do you mean by 'act like "60 minutes"'?)

> No I mean that it's *in* among "cool" people. These
> people can say "Donald Duck is for kids",

I don't know if these people are either "correct" or "cool",
but I think they might like Calvin & Hobbes and other gag
comics just because these are funny or also because of
Watterson's artwork and the realistic, if cynical, worldview
of its main characters.
Which is exactly why I like Barks' stories, for example.
(Funniness, good art and very real characters.)

I think that somewhat the same criteria can be applied to
define good long stories as well as good gag comics.

By the way, Donald Duck *is* for kids, they're the main
audience. Donald Duck is only not *just* for kids. Good Duck
stories have certain qualities that appeal also to a more
mature audience, but a Duck story that can't in any way be
enjoyed by children has missed its target.

> Well, I am different, I prefer long comics stories
> with an intelligent plot. So I very seldom read
> modern humor gags comics.

So do I. I prefer intelligent comics in general. So
fortunately I'm able to enjoy both: gag comics as well as
long stories.

>> or the better super-hero stories (of which there are a >>
few that are worthy of consideration).
>
> I don't read such super-hero stuff (well except from
> Captain Kentucky).

Maybe you should give it a try.
Take for instance "Watchmen" by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons.
It's a long, humorous, if cynical, comic story with an
intelligent plot.

Michiel Prior.

Ari Seppi <ari.seppi at iki.fi> skrev:
>
> I checked they were selling the calendar for about same
> price as the Danish publisher (13.XX euros).

Well, in Norway the price is NOK 159 and that's more
than 20 Euros. When I now see the prices in our
neighbouring countries I think that the Norwegian
price policy is a great shame. But that's not news.
When it comes to prices Norway is unfortunately a
very, very sick country.

Sigvald :-)

Hi all!

Lately I recieved an e-mail saying taht I should add the
name "Fountleroy" as Donald's middle name in my "Who's who
in Duckburg" pages.

But do this "Fountleroy" name exist in the Barks/Ros universe
or is it just an obscure name from a story by antother artist?

Sigvald :-)

on 12/10/02 6:19 PM, Stefan Persson at reimersholme at hotmail.com wrote:

> From: <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
> To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Sent: den 11 december 2002 00:01
> Subject: Fountleroy
>
>> Lately I recieved an e-mail saying taht I should add the
>> name "Fountleroy" as Donald's middle name in my "Who's who
>> in Duckburg" pages.
>>
>> But do this "Fountleroy" name exist in the Barks/Ros universe
>> or is it just an obscure name from a story by antother artist?
>
> Isn't this name from some old Taliaferro daily?
>

No, the name comes from the 1942 Duck cartoon, "Donald Gets Drafted".
Quoting from "Donald Duck - 50 Happy Years of Frustration",

"In "Donald Gets Drafted" (1942) the inevitable happens. Donald Fauntleroy
Duck receives a greeting (number 13) from Uncle Sam on April 1, 1942."

Donald's middle name is about as official as anything about the Ducks is.

Best,

Rob Wilson

> ***************
Sorry Gary, for send this directly to you. I forget that have not reply to
the forum

> Gary say
> > Perhaps a "Life and Times of Mickey Mouse"-type series could establish
> > something definite someday.

Mickey is in my opinion a very weak character. I mean, I don't know who is,
what is his work? Detective? He seem be always on vacation.
The comics most liked me are the Gotfredson strips and some modern comics
where he dress the classics pants and shoes but in contemporary times. You
see computers, cellphones, etc.
(D 98121)

I think the principal diference from the work about Scrooge is that Scrooge
was young. Mickey have not, inter alias, age.

FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar

Hi

>All of the above was reprinted in black & white in the Barks Bear Book, but
>that one is gonna be hard to find. I don't own it myself, but I know
>someone who does, so I've had the pleasure of browsing through it
>(carefully that is!).

I got mine NM from Ebay for a total price of about $30, with some other
superman comics. There are plenty for sale there, each month there is about
10 new of them added.

/Mads :-)

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Hi!

It's really a Christmas gift given to us, just reading the news that finally
Disney comic books will be soon back in the US. I guess we soon will hear
from Gemstone, all of us subscribers to Gladstone's premier class comic
books!

I was litterary raised on Donald Duck&Co, the weekly Norwegian comic book,
during the 70's, and still addicted to milk, I keep buying it weekly. My
firt meeting with the US edition of Disney comic books was in the late 70's,
exploring the Whitman books in comic stands at certain bookstores here in
Norway. I was completely sold, and had my first complete decade of
subscribing and buying back issues when finally the 2nd round of licence was
taken from Gladstoen some years ago!

Missing out the 60th Anniversary of Walt Disney's Comics and Stories in
October 2000 was a tragedy, however taking away Gladstone's Disney comic
books license was the biggest of them all!

I am eagerly awaiting the upcoming comics from Gemstone, suggesting they
keep "Walt Disney's Comics and Stories" as one of their titles! It's an
advise, and it's even free of charge! I also hope the licensing now is
stable for a while!

It might also be a good idea selling Disney comic books in Disneyland. I had
bought several copies when I visited Disneyland, LA back in 88...

Greatings of the Season!

Erlend

Simo:

> So: Are there differences between the market-prices of
> stories manufactured by different Disney comics producers?

What I understood from the Dutch editor is that all editors have a standard
price per page for reproduction and shipping of the proofs to be used.
The "intellectual" rights of the material is owned by Disney. So Disney gets
an amount of money for everything that's published.
A publisher can re-print as often as he desires: he only needs to pay
Disney, not the original publisher where they got the proofs from.

> Who owns the rights for
> Western/Dell stories, S-coded "Disney Studio" stories,
> AR-coded Another Rainbow stories, or old KF Sunday pages?

Disney, Disney, and Disney...

> They all just can't
> be some kind of common-free filling-material allowed to
> use for free by everyone who has paid the license to
> publish Disney comics? (- in such case you'd expect all
> weeklies and other issues to flood old re-re-re-printed
> stuff much more)

There are several reasons for a publisher to decide to publish new stories
in stead of reprints. Licence fees are not one of these reasons.

> Perhaps some attempts about cutting the costs have take
> place in a real world already?
> Some ten years ago the pocket books (260 pages) sold in
> Germany, Finland and all around the Scandinavia
[and the Netherlands]
> were
> compiled almost solidly about Italian stories. But since
> the mid-90's some 1/3 up to half of every book have been
> Danish Egmont's own stories.

As you already guessed, quality and culture differences are the reasons
here. Not production costs.

> On the other hand for the couple past years Egmont's
> weeklies have had quite a lot of short (2-6 pages) Dutch
> stories. Could this be because for Egmont it'd be more
> inexpensive to purchase some of the needed fillers from
> the Dutch producer than use it's own writers and artists,
> as it did yet some years ago? (Surely not the only reason
> but who knows?)

That may be one of the reasons, yes. Another reason is that Egmont editors
*like* the Dutch stories. 8-)

--Harry.