S?ren Krarup Olesen wrote:
> Well, Don, my question is simple: Was that your plan? And if not, how
> come everyone knew about it? I mean, this was supposed to be between you
> and Egmont, right. But it leaked...quite conveniently, didn't it? :-)
You make pretty far fetched assumptions here. I hope you are kidding and
not really making these accusations. It took many months before this
"leaked" to even this list. "Strike" would have come out sooner or
later, because people started to wonder why Don didn't seem to be making
anything duck-related. Don never wanted us or anyone else to do anything
by ourselves in order to "help" him. And whats most important : none of
us outsiders (as in non-Don, non-Egmont people) in no way affected the
outcome. So there is no publicity stunt to talk about.
For further proof, I know, because I offered to do a publicity stunt for
Don in Finland. I have connections to a major newspaper and this would
not have been a problem to me. Don blatantly told be to back off,
because he didn?t want this thing with Egmont to became a publicly
known. If I had been in Don's shoes I would have have used "dirty
tricks", but he doesn't believe in those. His way seemed to work, so
lets just be glad for him.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
Author
Topic: 200212
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Kai Saarto
Rosa back in business
Message 196 -
2002-12-27 at 00:12:32
Don Rosa
DCML digest #1197
Message 197 -
2002-12-27 at 10:56:13
From: S?ren Krarup Olesen (raptus at stofanet.dk)
>>>Well, Don, my question is simple: Was that your plan? And if not, how
come everyone knew about it? I mean, this was supposed to be between you
and Egmont, right. But it leaked...quite conveniently, didn't it?
I think the most polite reaction to this is "I will not dignify this with a
response".
>>>Well, Don, my question is simple: Was that your plan? And if not, how
come everyone knew about it? I mean, this was supposed to be between you
and Egmont, right. But it leaked...quite conveniently, didn't it?
I think the most polite reaction to this is "I will not dignify this with a
response".
Søren Krarup Olesen
Rosa back in business
Message 198 -
2002-12-27 at 12:33:07
KAI:
> You make pretty far fetched assumptions here. I hope you are kidding
> and not really making these accusations.
Not kidding as such, merely a thought. They were not accusations, only
the similarities with my example stroke me, that's all.
I never believed that Don would stop creating comics, and a few more on
this list had the same inkling. Another reason for my question.
> If I had been in Don's shoes I would have have used "dirty tricks",
> but he doesn't believe in those.
I am only happy to hear that it was not, as you call it, a "publicity
stunt".
> His way seemed to work, so lets just be glad for him.
Agreed.
S?ren
> You make pretty far fetched assumptions here. I hope you are kidding
> and not really making these accusations.
Not kidding as such, merely a thought. They were not accusations, only
the similarities with my example stroke me, that's all.
I never believed that Don would stop creating comics, and a few more on
this list had the same inkling. Another reason for my question.
> If I had been in Don's shoes I would have have used "dirty tricks",
> but he doesn't believe in those.
I am only happy to hear that it was not, as you call it, a "publicity
stunt".
> His way seemed to work, so lets just be glad for him.
Agreed.
S?ren
Luca Boschi
Rosa back in business
Message 199 -
2002-12-27 at 14:12:15
I also hope that S?ren were kidding!
Luca
Luca
Kai Saarto
Rosa back in business
Message 200 -
2002-12-27 at 17:56:08
S?ren Krarup Olesen wrote:
> I am only happy to hear that it was not, as you call it, a "publicity
> stunt".
I am not even sure if its a correct English term... just remember
hearing something along those lines. I am always trying to use fancier
terms that my skills a good for... :-) Also when I earlier said that
"Don blatantly told me to back off", I might have stumbled a bit, I am
not sure if "blatantly" has a negative sound in it or not in English...
My meaning was that, Don made it clear that he didn't want any help from
those not directly involved in the matter. He was very polite, though,
so if I made it sound like he told me to bugger off, then the impression
was wrong.
Ok, that was enough babbling about my lacking English. Anyway I?m glad
you didn't mean to offend. It?s always a bit difficult to understand and
be understood fully when so many of the active writers on the list are
not native English speakers.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
> I am only happy to hear that it was not, as you call it, a "publicity
> stunt".
I am not even sure if its a correct English term... just remember
hearing something along those lines. I am always trying to use fancier
terms that my skills a good for... :-) Also when I earlier said that
"Don blatantly told me to back off", I might have stumbled a bit, I am
not sure if "blatantly" has a negative sound in it or not in English...
My meaning was that, Don made it clear that he didn't want any help from
those not directly involved in the matter. He was very polite, though,
so if I made it sound like he told me to bugger off, then the impression
was wrong.
Ok, that was enough babbling about my lacking English. Anyway I?m glad
you didn't mean to offend. It?s always a bit difficult to understand and
be understood fully when so many of the active writers on the list are
not native English speakers.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
Dreidreizehn Comicart & Disneyana
Carl Barks Oil Paintings Calendar 2003
Message 201 -
2002-12-27 at 20:01:33
Hi!
The Carl Barks Oil Paintings Calendar 1997 is usable for 2003, too!
After 6 years all the oil prints are actual, again. Who cares about Easter in March, if you can embellish your wall with great paintings like "The Golden Fleece", "This Dollar Saved My Life At Whitehorse" or "Luck Of The North"!?
And: this calendar is still available! The German publisher Dreidreizehn has still some copies for sale, you can find them at www.3-13.com
Happy New Year
Detlef Giesler
The Carl Barks Oil Paintings Calendar 1997 is usable for 2003, too!
After 6 years all the oil prints are actual, again. Who cares about Easter in March, if you can embellish your wall with great paintings like "The Golden Fleece", "This Dollar Saved My Life At Whitehorse" or "Luck Of The North"!?
And: this calendar is still available! The German publisher Dreidreizehn has still some copies for sale, you can find them at www.3-13.com
Happy New Year
Detlef Giesler
Lgiver
Christmas stories by Carl Barks
Message 202 -
2002-12-28 at 09:03:01
This week I re-read several of Barks' Christmas stories. I surprised
myself when reading "Christmas for Shacktown" that I realized this story
has the first appearance of Huey, Dewey and Louie's fellow troup
members of the Junior Woodchucks (page 14, panel 1). HDL recruited
9 of their fellow Junior Woodchucks to earn money shoveling snow,
and Louie leads the group in this panel with the first appearance of
the Woodchuck flag. This story was first printed for the Christmas season,
1951 (dated Jan. 1952), and was thus Barks' third story using Junior
Woodchucks. The first 2 stories were the 10-page WDC&S 125 (Feb. 1951)
"Operation St. Bernard" and WDC&S 132 (Sept. 1951) "Ten-star Generals"; in
both these stories only a single adult leader from the Woodchucks interacts
with HDL, promoting them to 5-star generals in the first story, and then
10-star generals in the second story. The Woodchucks have a minor role
in "Shacktown", but it has the first appearance of the flag and other
troup members, although the emblem on the flag was first seen on the
leader's cap in "Ten-star Generals".
myself when reading "Christmas for Shacktown" that I realized this story
has the first appearance of Huey, Dewey and Louie's fellow troup
members of the Junior Woodchucks (page 14, panel 1). HDL recruited
9 of their fellow Junior Woodchucks to earn money shoveling snow,
and Louie leads the group in this panel with the first appearance of
the Woodchuck flag. This story was first printed for the Christmas season,
1951 (dated Jan. 1952), and was thus Barks' third story using Junior
Woodchucks. The first 2 stories were the 10-page WDC&S 125 (Feb. 1951)
"Operation St. Bernard" and WDC&S 132 (Sept. 1951) "Ten-star Generals"; in
both these stories only a single adult leader from the Woodchucks interacts
with HDL, promoting them to 5-star generals in the first story, and then
10-star generals in the second story. The Woodchucks have a minor role
in "Shacktown", but it has the first appearance of the flag and other
troup members, although the emblem on the flag was first seen on the
leader's cap in "Ten-star Generals".
Donald D. Markstein
Rosa back in business
Message 203 -
2002-12-28 at 14:53:11
> Not kidding as such, merely a thought. They were not accusations, only
> the similarities with my example stroke me, that's all.
Then why didn't you mention the DISsimilarity, that he never sought
publicity and, in fact, went so far as to ask us not to give the situation
any?
This accusation, and it WAS an accusation, was absurd on the face of it,
because it simply didn't fit the facts as known by everyone who reads the
list -- including yourself. I can't think of any decent motive for making
it.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
> the similarities with my example stroke me, that's all.
Then why didn't you mention the DISsimilarity, that he never sought
publicity and, in fact, went so far as to ask us not to give the situation
any?
This accusation, and it WAS an accusation, was absurd on the face of it,
because it simply didn't fit the facts as known by everyone who reads the
list -- including yourself. I can't think of any decent motive for making
it.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Kai Saarto
HD&L caps & colors
Message 204 -
2002-12-28 at 18:04:41
Greetings one and all,
When I was a kid in early 80?s I somehow got the impression that Dewey
wears a blue cap, Huey green and Louie red. I was wondering if this is
confirmed somewhere or did I just make it up? I?d guess that I got that
information from the editorial page of Finnish Aku Ankka or from the old
collection of Barks stories that concentrated on HD&L (called "Me Tupu,
Hupu ja Lupu"), I don't have that anymore so I can't check.
I doubt Barks would have said anything about the subject since he didn't
like the coloring of his stories in the first place. But then, he
didn?t make those character up, either... Anyway, I'd like to hear if
this is official or what.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
When I was a kid in early 80?s I somehow got the impression that Dewey
wears a blue cap, Huey green and Louie red. I was wondering if this is
confirmed somewhere or did I just make it up? I?d guess that I got that
information from the editorial page of Finnish Aku Ankka or from the old
collection of Barks stories that concentrated on HD&L (called "Me Tupu,
Hupu ja Lupu"), I don't have that anymore so I can't check.
I doubt Barks would have said anything about the subject since he didn't
like the coloring of his stories in the first place. But then, he
didn?t make those character up, either... Anyway, I'd like to hear if
this is official or what.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
Rob Klein
Nephews' Cap Colour
Message 205 -
2002-12-28 at 20:02:30
For Kai Saarto:
I had thought of that issue, as well; as I had seen the colourists be
inconsistant (differing them from comic to comic).
For that, I went back to the original USA issues, to see if there might have
been an "official" assignment of colours. A complete survey of ALL the Barks
and non-Barks Duck stories from 1942-1967 revealed that the colouring
was "almost" random. The most common 1950s configuration was: Huey-red, Dewey-
Green, and Louie-blue. But, overall, the assignment seemed to bear no
relationship to a rule. Sometimes the three colours were red, blue and yellow,
and even red, green and yellow.
If I remember correctly, the Dutch printings in the 1950s did not show a
pattern keeping the same nephew with the same colour. Perhaps Harry,
Roy,Daniel, Arthur, Duco or Henri can inform us on that. I don't really have
time to look through all my comics now (also,many of them are not with me here).
It will be intersting to hear from members in the various countries whether or
not there were "official colours" in their publications. Perhaps some did, but
only during certain years, with specific Chief Editors???
Kai,...Can you look through all your Finnish Duck stories and tell us if you
see a pattern there? (we'll understand if you don't have time to do so).
Rob Klein
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I had thought of that issue, as well; as I had seen the colourists be
inconsistant (differing them from comic to comic).
For that, I went back to the original USA issues, to see if there might have
been an "official" assignment of colours. A complete survey of ALL the Barks
and non-Barks Duck stories from 1942-1967 revealed that the colouring
was "almost" random. The most common 1950s configuration was: Huey-red, Dewey-
Green, and Louie-blue. But, overall, the assignment seemed to bear no
relationship to a rule. Sometimes the three colours were red, blue and yellow,
and even red, green and yellow.
If I remember correctly, the Dutch printings in the 1950s did not show a
pattern keeping the same nephew with the same colour. Perhaps Harry,
Roy,Daniel, Arthur, Duco or Henri can inform us on that. I don't really have
time to look through all my comics now (also,many of them are not with me here).
It will be intersting to hear from members in the various countries whether or
not there were "official colours" in their publications. Perhaps some did, but
only during certain years, with specific Chief Editors???
Kai,...Can you look through all your Finnish Duck stories and tell us if you
see a pattern there? (we'll understand if you don't have time to do so).
Rob Klein
Rob Klein
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Ari Seppi
Nephews' Cap Colour
Message 206 -
2002-12-28 at 23:13:45
Rob:
>For that, I went back to the original USA issues, to see if there might have
>been an "official" assignment of colours. A complete survey of ALL the Barks
>and non-Barks Duck stories from 1942-1967 revealed that the colouring
>was "almost" random.
A complete survey of all Duck stories from 1942-1967? That must have
been quite a work.
>It will be intersting to hear from members in the various countries
>whether or
>not there were "official colours" in their publications. Perhaps some did,
>but
>only during certain years, with specific Chief Editors???
>Kai,...Can you look through all your Finnish Duck stories and tell us if you
>see a pattern there? (we'll understand if you don't have time to do so).
Actually we have an easier way to find out the official colours in Finland:
Aku Ankka's WWW-page and its K??K-section. The colours are:
Huey-blue, Dewey-yellow or green, and Louie-red. As Kai remembered
this thing has been dealt with in an editorial page of Aku Ankka 21/1979.
--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
>For that, I went back to the original USA issues, to see if there might have
>been an "official" assignment of colours. A complete survey of ALL the Barks
>and non-Barks Duck stories from 1942-1967 revealed that the colouring
>was "almost" random.
A complete survey of all Duck stories from 1942-1967? That must have
been quite a work.
>It will be intersting to hear from members in the various countries
>whether or
>not there were "official colours" in their publications. Perhaps some did,
>but
>only during certain years, with specific Chief Editors???
>Kai,...Can you look through all your Finnish Duck stories and tell us if you
>see a pattern there? (we'll understand if you don't have time to do so).
Actually we have an easier way to find out the official colours in Finland:
Aku Ankka's WWW-page and its K??K-section. The colours are:
Huey-blue, Dewey-yellow or green, and Louie-red. As Kai remembered
this thing has been dealt with in an editorial page of Aku Ankka 21/1979.
--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
Kai Saarto
Nephews' Cap Colour
Message 207 -
2002-12-29 at 00:36:50
Ari Seppi wrote:
> Rob:
>
>> It will be intersting to hear from members in the various countries
>> whether or
>> not there were "official colours" in their publications. Perhaps some
>> did, but
>> only during certain years, with specific Chief Editors???
>> Kai,...Can you look through all your Finnish Duck stories and tell us
>> if you
>> see a pattern there? (we'll understand if you don't have time to do so).
>
>
> Actually we have an easier way to find out the official colours in Finland:
> Aku Ankka's WWW-page and its K??K-section. The colours are:
> Huey-blue, Dewey-yellow or green, and Louie-red. As Kai remembered
> this thing has been dealt with in an editorial page of Aku Ankka 21/1979.
Thanks Ari,
1979 was the first year of my subscription, so it figures well. I just
now realized that "Hupu" is not "Huey" in English, but Dewey... Only
took 20+ years to figure that out. I feel so smart just now...
This still doesn't confirm if this pattern is used in all Egmont
stories, or how widely this is used outside Finland.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
> Rob:
>
>> It will be intersting to hear from members in the various countries
>> whether or
>> not there were "official colours" in their publications. Perhaps some
>> did, but
>> only during certain years, with specific Chief Editors???
>> Kai,...Can you look through all your Finnish Duck stories and tell us
>> if you
>> see a pattern there? (we'll understand if you don't have time to do so).
>
>
> Actually we have an easier way to find out the official colours in Finland:
> Aku Ankka's WWW-page and its K??K-section. The colours are:
> Huey-blue, Dewey-yellow or green, and Louie-red. As Kai remembered
> this thing has been dealt with in an editorial page of Aku Ankka 21/1979.
Thanks Ari,
1979 was the first year of my subscription, so it figures well. I just
now realized that "Hupu" is not "Huey" in English, but Dewey... Only
took 20+ years to figure that out. I feel so smart just now...
This still doesn't confirm if this pattern is used in all Egmont
stories, or how widely this is used outside Finland.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
Kriton Kyrimis
HD&L caps & colors
Message 208 -
2002-12-29 at 12:54:03
Back when Disney were publishing Disney comics, one of the editors came
up with the following rule:
Red is the darkest of the hues, so huey weares red.
Water is blue, and dew is water, so dewey wears blue.
This leaves out Louie. Leaves are green, so Louie wears green!!!
I have no idea whether this was just something they came up to answer on
of the readers' letters, or whether they actually used the rule duriung
their reign.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
-----
up with the following rule:
Red is the darkest of the hues, so huey weares red.
Water is blue, and dew is water, so dewey wears blue.
This leaves out Louie. Leaves are green, so Louie wears green!!!
I have no idea whether this was just something they came up to answer on
of the readers' letters, or whether they actually used the rule duriung
their reign.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
-----
Kai Saarto
HD&L caps & colors
Message 209 -
2002-12-29 at 14:43:47
Kriton Kyrimis wrote:
> Back when Disney were publishing Disney comics, one of the editors came
> up with the following rule:
>
> Red is the darkest of the hues, so huey weares red.
> Water is blue, and dew is water, so dewey wears blue.
> This leaves out Louie. Leaves are green, so Louie wears green!!!
>
> I have no idea whether this was just something they came up to answer on
> of the readers' letters, or whether they actually used the rule duriung
> their reign.
This is a cute rule. It contradicts the Finnish (Egmont coloring?) from
1979 that Ari sent. Do you have any idea if there is a pattern in Greek?
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
> Back when Disney were publishing Disney comics, one of the editors came
> up with the following rule:
>
> Red is the darkest of the hues, so huey weares red.
> Water is blue, and dew is water, so dewey wears blue.
> This leaves out Louie. Leaves are green, so Louie wears green!!!
>
> I have no idea whether this was just something they came up to answer on
> of the readers' letters, or whether they actually used the rule duriung
> their reign.
This is a cute rule. It contradicts the Finnish (Egmont coloring?) from
1979 that Ari sent. Do you have any idea if there is a pattern in Greek?
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
JTorci3511
HD&L caps & colors.
Message 210 -
2002-12-29 at 17:33:27
Everyone:
I also remember the quote below from the "Disney Comics Days" in the USA.
"Red is the darkest of the hues, so Huey wears red.
Water is blue, and dew is water, so Dewey wears blue.
This leaves out Louie. Leaves are green, so Louie wears green!!!"
To the best of my recollection, it was adhered to in the comics of the time.
I don't recall if Gladstone followed suit after assuming the comics license
for the second time.
The "cap color assignments", if not the quote itself, appeared to come from
"higher-up" at Disney, as Huey = Red, Dewey = Blue, and Louie = Green was the
standard Disney used for the DUCKTALES TV series.
I never watched QUACK PACK (...the idea of the older nephews and so much else
about that show did not appeal to me), so I can't speak to that series. I
don't think this carried through to the short duck cartoons used in the later
MOUSEWORKS and HOUSE OF MOUSE series -- which I DID enjoy very much.
Personally, I rather like the idea as stated above, and keep it as part of my
"personal duck canon"... and, if one thing's certain around here, we sure ALL
hold our own "personal duck canon"!
Joe Torcivia.
I also remember the quote below from the "Disney Comics Days" in the USA.
"Red is the darkest of the hues, so Huey wears red.
Water is blue, and dew is water, so Dewey wears blue.
This leaves out Louie. Leaves are green, so Louie wears green!!!"
To the best of my recollection, it was adhered to in the comics of the time.
I don't recall if Gladstone followed suit after assuming the comics license
for the second time.
The "cap color assignments", if not the quote itself, appeared to come from
"higher-up" at Disney, as Huey = Red, Dewey = Blue, and Louie = Green was the
standard Disney used for the DUCKTALES TV series.
I never watched QUACK PACK (...the idea of the older nephews and so much else
about that show did not appeal to me), so I can't speak to that series. I
don't think this carried through to the short duck cartoons used in the later
MOUSEWORKS and HOUSE OF MOUSE series -- which I DID enjoy very much.
Personally, I rather like the idea as stated above, and keep it as part of my
"personal duck canon"... and, if one thing's certain around here, we sure ALL
hold our own "personal duck canon"!
Joe Torcivia.