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Xephyr
Ooops! I meant "Mouston" not "Mouseton." And in a previous message I
mispelt Gilles' name. My apologies.

Thank you,

Rich Bellacera

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Dean wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone on the list would be interested in
>getting a copy of the Don Rosa calendar for me as I live in the US? I
>would be happy to pay for the calendar and the shipping costs in
>advance. Thanks, and feel free to reply to me via my email address.

Same for me! Many thanks!
Sonia Dyer
Fernando Ventura
Rich:

>Your welcome. I just wish I had more free time. I can't wait to
>add things like Panchito's full name (Panchito Romero Miguel Junitero
>Francisco Quinterro Gonzales a.k.a. Panchito Pistoles, son of Maria &
>Miguel Gonzales, grandson of Sofia & Jose Morales and Raquel & Roberto
>Gonzales).
>Maybe Guilles or Sigvald are interested in that bit of knowledge?

I am!!! :-)

And if I listen correctily the song, Maria, Panchito's mother is brazilian!
And his father married her when he cames to Bahia! That's it? Or the
brazilian version changed something?
This cartoon bring's an very funny family-tree!
I'm sure Gilles will like to ad it on his page...(if he had an way to
capture the images...)

Fernando!
Fernando Ventura
Dean wrote:
>> I was wondering if anyone on the list would be interested in
>>getting a copy of the Don Rosa calendar for me as I live in the US? I
>>would be happy to pay for the calendar and the shipping costs in
>>advance. Thanks, and feel free to reply to me via my email address.

Sonia wrote:
>Same for me! Many thanks!
> Sonia Dyer

An now I write:

The same for me!!! But I'm in Brazil! :-)

Fernando!
(I can exchange it with brazilian Disney comics too, if someone think it's
an good idea!)
Lgiver
There's been lots of repetitive posts these past few days,
but I did learn something interesting in one of them.
Lunnan & Hjort referred to a published collection of
about 8 stories of Benny Burro and Barney Bear that
Carl Barks did during 1943 through 1947. All I knew
about these characters before was Don Rosa put them,
along with Andy Panda, in Scrooge's zoo in his story
"Crocadile Collector". I was familiar with Andy Panda,
along with Woody Woodpecker and Charlie Chicken,
in Walter Lantz comics, so I was surprised to learn that
Carl Barks ever drew Andy Panda (Rosa's drawing
of him in Crocadile Collector isn't very similar to how
he looks in Walter Lantz comics; I don't know how
Barks drew him).
Anyway, I was surprised once again to learn that
Barks drew Benny Burro and Barney Bear in 1943-47,
the same years he started doing Donald Duck. I had
presumed he was working full time on the Donald Duck
long stories and the 10-page stories for Walt Disney
Comics, inventing characters like neighbor Jones,
Gladstone, and then Scrooge in late 1947. So Barks
had time to moon-light during those years and do these
Benny Burro & Barney Bear stories?

---------Larry Giver
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Hey Rich,

>Personally, I'm partial to the Donald in Duckburg and Mickey in Mouseton
>version. If I'm not mistaken, I think David Gerstein once said that here
>in the USA it was also published that the name of Mickey's hometown was
>once called Mickeyville, but I'm not sure.

Er... uh... Rich, you're >gulp!< mistaken!
The name I mentioned was Disneyville. It's the name that Western
Publishing generally gave to Mickey's town in the 1930s and 1940s,
particularly in text features and stories done for Mickey Mouse Magazine and
WDC&S.
It dropped out of usage in the 1950s, when separate cities for the
different characters became the norm. The name Duckburg spread from Barks
stories to other duck work; the name Mouseville spread from Gottfredson's
"Phantom Blot" story to other mouse stories (though it never became common),
and the wolves and Brers now lived in the forest 'settlement', the
terminology coming from the Brer Rabbit newspaper strip.

David
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Hey Rich,

>Ooops! I meant "Mouston" not "Mouseton."

Actually, the proper spelling is really Mouseton.
"Mouston" is a misspelling that often appears on this list, probably
deriving from Houston.

David
Gerd Syllwasschy
LARRY:

> So Barks
> had time to moon-light during those years and do these
> Benny Burro & Barney Bear stories?

"Moonlighting" is not the exact word. Those MGM stories were produced
and published by Western Publishing, too, so they were part of Barks'
regular working schedule. (The assignment may also have had to do with
the fact that there was a certain shortage of artists due to World War
II.) Anyway, Barks gave up the Barneys when his output of longer Donald
adventures increased.

HALSTEN:

Interesting to learn about the upcoming Barney/Benny album series! In
Germany there was a short-lived album series called "Barks Classics" in
1991/1992 reprinting Barks' non-Disney stories in good quality and a
beautifully done watercolor coloring. Originally, six albums were
announced, but the series was stopped after the second issue, so only
the first eleven Benny/Barney stories were published.

I gather from Peter Hartung's book "Manden og anden" that there was a
similar series published by Carlsen Comics in Denmark which was also
stopped after the second issue. Do you happen to know who is going to
publish the new series?

Gerd
Halsten Aastebol
At 01:30 10.12.02 -0800, lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net wrote:

> So Barks
>had time to moon-light during those years and do these
>Benny Burro & Barney Bear stories?
>
> ---------Larry Giver

Well at least he did do quite a lot of work with other comics too.
Here is a complete overview of Barks' non-Disney work during the period
1943-47:

For Our Gang Comics 11 - 36, May 1943 - July 1947:
3 stories starring Benny the Lonesome Burro
26 stories starring Barney Bear & Benny Burro
2 stories starring Happy Hound (later known as Droopy)

For Dell Four Color 48:
1 story starring Porky Pig along with Bugs Bunny: "Porky of the Mounties"
(July 1944)

For New Funnies 76:
1 story starring Andy Panda: "The Widow's Donuts" (June 1943)

All of the above was reprinted in black & white in the Barks Bear Book, but
that one is gonna be hard to find. I don't own it myself, but I know
someone who does, so I've had the pleasure of browsing through it
(carefully that is!).

Later (about 1952 - 54) he also wrote the script for three Droopy stories
published in Tom & Jerry comics.

Regards
Halsten
Halsten Aastebol
At 11:45 10.12.02 +0100, Gerd Syllwasschy wrote:

>HALSTEN:
>
>Interesting to learn about the upcoming Barney/Benny album series! In
>Germany there was a short-lived album series called "Barks Classics" in
>1991/1992 reprinting Barks' non-Disney stories in good quality and a
>beautifully done watercolor coloring. Originally, six albums were
>announced, but the series was stopped after the second issue, so only
>the first eleven Benny/Barney stories were published.
>
>I gather from Peter Hartung's book "Manden og anden" that there was a
>similar series published by Carlsen Comics in Denmark which was also
>stopped after the second issue. Do you happen to know who is going to
>publish the new series?

Exactly what happened in Norway too. Only two albums were printed. Some
years ago I was able to get my hands on the Danish versions of these albums.

Regards
Halsten
Donald D. Markstein
> Your welcome. I just wish I had more free time. I can't wait to
> add things like Panchito's full name (Panchito Romero Miguel Junitero
> Francisco Quinterro Gonzales a.k.a. Panchito Pistoles, son of Maria &
> Miguel Gonzales, grandson of Sofia & Jose Morales and Raquel & Roberto
> Gonzales).
> Maybe Guilles or Sigvald are interested in that bit of knowledge?

Interesting. What's your source on that? Sooner or later, I'm probably going
to do a Toonopedia article on Panchito, and that would be a nice factoid to
throw in -- but I'm trying to stay away from fan speculation on the
characters' off-screen lives, so it would have to be something with
"official" sanction before I could use it.

Quack, Don

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Simo Malinen
GARY LEACH (Nov 23.):
>But there is a tidy backlog of Rosa material that has not been seen in the
>States, and catching up with that - as with the work of William and Noel
>Van Horn, the Blocks, The McGreals, Dave Rawson, the Gilberts, Vicar, Daan
>Jippes, Daniel Branca, Marco Rota, David Gerstein, Don Markstein, Geoff
>Blum, even yours truly, et al - is what Gemstone will be about for the near
>future.
>

Just does anyone know could certain economical points effect
what becoming U.S. (and all other) Disney publications might
contain?

If Gemstone has agreed to pay for the licence to print
Disney-comics does it also have to pay for the comic
stories it is going to publish?
Gemstone hasn't produced any Disney(Duck/Mouse)-comics
of it's own so it should get all the material from
"external sources". Gemstone and on the other hand all
Disney stories producing parties are all separate
companies. And naturally all aiming for the best possible
profit they can get.

So: Are there differences between the market-prices of
stories manufactured by different Disney comics producers?
If there are, then I think it could be one thing to direct
the selections about stories to be published.

Let's say if Italian stories are more expensive than
Brazilian stories. Then it wouldn't be a big surprise if
becoming issues would have more Brazilian than Italian
stories.

What is the case with the old already existing (and many
times reprinted) material? Who owns the rights for
Western/Dell stories, S-coded "Disney Studio" stories,
AR-coded Another Rainbow stories, or old KF Sunday pages?
Who gets the license fees from them? They all just can't
be some kind of common-free filling-material allowed to
use for free by everyone who has paid the license to
publish Disney comics? (- in such case you'd expect all
weeklies and other issues to flood old re-re-re-printed
stuff much more)

Perhaps some attempts about cutting the costs have take
place in a real world already?
Some ten years ago the pocket books (260 pages) sold in
Germany, Finland and all around the Scandinavia were
compiled almost solidly about Italian stories. But since
the mid-90's some 1/3 up to half of every book have been
Danish Egmont's own stories.
Since the Italian producktion has been rather massive
all the way there shouldn't be any troubles of filling
the whole book purely with Italian stories. Maybe it was
to replace old poor random S-coded fillers with better
fitting larger stories - or maybe a decision to increase
variety or different kind of mood inside the book?
(I'm not complaining about the quality - atleast some of
the new stories are great)

On the other hand for the couple past years Egmont's
weeklies have had quite a lot of short (2-6 pages) Dutch
stories. Could this be because for Egmont it'd be more
inexpensive to purchase some of the needed fillers from
the Dutch producer than use it's own writers and artists,
as it did yet some years ago? (Surely not the only reason
but who knows?)

- Simo

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Xephyr
Fernando Ventura said:
> And if I listen correctily the song, Maria, Panchito's
> mother is brazilian! And his father married her when he
> cames to Bahia! That's it? Or the brazilian version
> changed something?

No, it sounds like the song is the same in Portuguese too.
When I was making notes from the song to get his full name
and his parents names I noticed that as well. I suppose
it's possible that Panchito was even born in Bahia, though
that would take away from his "Mexican" heritage as a uniquely
Mexican Disney character, so I prefer to assume that his
parents met in Brazil, married and moved to Mexico where
he was later born. However, having familial roots in Brazil
give Panchito plenty of reason to visit Jose on ocassions.

Donald D. Markstein asked:
> Interesting. What's your source on that? Sooner or later,
> I'm probably going to do a Toonopedia article on Panchito,
> and that would be a nice factoid to throw in -- but I'm
> trying to stay away from fan speculation on the characters'
> off-screen lives, so it would have to be something with
> "official" sanction before I could use it.

Nope, it's not "fan speculation" as it came directly from the
lips (do chickens have lips??? :-) of Panchito as he sang "The
Panchito Song" about the origin of his very long name. This
happened in the HOUSE OF MOUSE episode "Not Too Goofy" (January
19, 2002). The episode dealt with Goofy trying to be "un-goofy"
after everyone complains about him. Mickey brings in Jose
Carioca to teach Goofy to be more refined. It works too well
and Goofy forgets who he really is, so, in an effort to make
Goofy proud of who he is the Three Caballeros (Panchito, Donald
and Jose) sing the song about who Panchito is. Of course since
it's about Panchito, he primarily sings the song.

David, now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure it was the
"Mouseville" version you mentioned to me as I don't really
recall the Disneyville version. Thanks for the correction,
and I guess I mispelled Mouseton correctly ;-) For the record,
the Walkabout versions of the Disney characters which appear at
the Theme Parks all live in Toon Town (or is it Toontown?). ;-)

-Rich Bellacera

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Gary Leach
During Gladstone's two tenures with Disney comics, there was a
tendency, quite unintentional, to place Donald and Scrooge in Duckburg
and put Mickey in "Anytown, U.S.A." Names like Mickeyville and
Mous(e)ton just never entered our collective editorial consciousness,
due both to our comparatively rare use of Mickey compared to the ducks
and the very rare use of any name for the town Mickey lived in the
Mickey material we did publish.

Perhaps a "Life and Times of Mickey Mouse"-type series could establish
something definite someday.

Gary
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
mas wrote:
> I, too, live in the U.S. and would like to buy one of these calendars as
> a Christmas gift for one of my young duck-fanatic relatives. I've been
> asking around at bookstores and comic shops, but they all say that they
> are unable to order one.
>
> Is there any way to buy one online someplace? Or if anyone on the list
> would be willing to buy one (any language is OK) then, like Dean, I'll
> gladly pay costs, shipping, etc. in advance.

A few weeks ago, along with the Danish weekly was an order note for the
calendar, offering it for 99.- Danish Kroner (app. US$ 13.50) plus shipping.

Instead of sending in the order coupon directly to Egmont Serieforlaget,
it is possible to order via the following email address:
abonnement at tsf.egmont.com -- I did this myself.

I don't know whether they take foreign orders, but I guess it's worth a try.

Thomas

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Thomas Pryds Lauritsen

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