Hi,
I've been trying to find the D.U.C.K in the splashpanel in Don Rosas
latest masterpeice Dreamlife, but I can't find it. The story by the way
is hilariously funny and I laughed till my stomach ached at some of the
scenes. So you who haven't read it yet are in for a real treat. It is
connected to the Life and Times theme but it's not a chapter of that
saga.
Ola in hardly snowy Stockholm 0 degrees and cloudy
Author
Topic: 200212
(225 messages)
Ola Martinsson
Where is the D.U.C.K. in Dreamlife ?
Message 136 -
2002-12-17 at 11:22:20
Sander D.
Where is the D.U.C.K. in Dreamlife ?
Message 137 -
2002-12-17 at 13:13:33
>I've been trying to find the D.U.C.K in the splashpanel in Don Rosa's
>latest masterpeice Dreamlife, but I can't find it.
I found it, somewere in the fire. I shall not say where it is exactly... :)
But it was a great story. I look forward to see it in Dutch!
Sander
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>latest masterpeice Dreamlife, but I can't find it.
I found it, somewere in the fire. I shall not say where it is exactly... :)
But it was a great story. I look forward to see it in Dutch!
Sander
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Dan Shane
Back in the USA
Message 138 -
2002-12-17 at 13:54:14
DEAN WROTE:
> These are just the opinions of one Disney fan, namely me. I know
> next to nothing about the comic book industry so if I have made some
> huge mistakes in what is possible, preferable, etc., I apologize. I am
> just very excited about the return of Disney comics in North America and
> wanted to share my opinions. I think it would be great if other list
> members share their views also. So hopefully we will soon have a lively
> discourse on the mailing list about this subject.
AND I REPLY:
Well, I've already made my views known on the issue, but just to keep it
going I'll briefly repeat myself with a little R&R (rant and rave). I am
thrilled that Disney comics are returning. It has been a long 3+ years.
And I don't mind seeing prestige format books to supply the collectors as
long as that is not the only way to get the stories. But I still find $5.00
too much to entice regular reading of comic books among mainstream buyers.
Is that what the Archie books cost? Does the current economic market
encourage dropping 5 bucks every time a kid follows his mom through the
checkout stand? I know as a parent of 4 living on a professional's income
that I was always very selective about my reading material and dollars spent
on same. The old days of "48 pages of fun for a dime" are long gone, it's
true. But I don't think "128 pages of fun for a finny" is going to
encourage me or my kids to invest in every issue.
Your neighborhood crank,
Dan
> These are just the opinions of one Disney fan, namely me. I know
> next to nothing about the comic book industry so if I have made some
> huge mistakes in what is possible, preferable, etc., I apologize. I am
> just very excited about the return of Disney comics in North America and
> wanted to share my opinions. I think it would be great if other list
> members share their views also. So hopefully we will soon have a lively
> discourse on the mailing list about this subject.
AND I REPLY:
Well, I've already made my views known on the issue, but just to keep it
going I'll briefly repeat myself with a little R&R (rant and rave). I am
thrilled that Disney comics are returning. It has been a long 3+ years.
And I don't mind seeing prestige format books to supply the collectors as
long as that is not the only way to get the stories. But I still find $5.00
too much to entice regular reading of comic books among mainstream buyers.
Is that what the Archie books cost? Does the current economic market
encourage dropping 5 bucks every time a kid follows his mom through the
checkout stand? I know as a parent of 4 living on a professional's income
that I was always very selective about my reading material and dollars spent
on same. The old days of "48 pages of fun for a dime" are long gone, it's
true. But I don't think "128 pages of fun for a finny" is going to
encourage me or my kids to invest in every issue.
Your neighborhood crank,
Dan
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
Pluto Saves the Ship
Message 139 -
2002-12-17 at 16:33:32
In my collection I have "found" a greek reprint of Pluto Saves the Ship
in B5 format.
This seems not to be indexed in Inducks, however, so I wondered where
exactly this issue comes from. There is no price mentioned on it, so it
could seem that it originally was published together with another issue
(perhaps Komix or the like). I can see no mentioning of that either, though.
I do see the following text on the front cover, though:
"K[lambda]A[sigma]IKH I[sigma]TOPIA", which as far as my very limited
understanding of Greek can tell means something like "Classic story" (?)
Therefore I would be very glad if someone would inform me about the
following details of the issue:
-Was it sold by itself or in connection with another issue?
-If with another issue, which?
-If by itself, at what price?
-When was it published?
I have put a scan of the front cover and the first two pages here:
http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/misc/gr_pluto_001.jpg
http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/misc/gr_pluto_002.jpg
http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/misc/gr_pluto_003.jpg
Thank you in advance,
Thomas
--
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
"There is the theory of the Moebius.
A twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop."
in B5 format.
This seems not to be indexed in Inducks, however, so I wondered where
exactly this issue comes from. There is no price mentioned on it, so it
could seem that it originally was published together with another issue
(perhaps Komix or the like). I can see no mentioning of that either, though.
I do see the following text on the front cover, though:
"K[lambda]A[sigma]IKH I[sigma]TOPIA", which as far as my very limited
understanding of Greek can tell means something like "Classic story" (?)
Therefore I would be very glad if someone would inform me about the
following details of the issue:
-Was it sold by itself or in connection with another issue?
-If with another issue, which?
-If by itself, at what price?
-When was it published?
I have put a scan of the front cover and the first two pages here:
http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/misc/gr_pluto_001.jpg
http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/misc/gr_pluto_002.jpg
http://lokal.prydslauritsen.dk/misc/gr_pluto_003.jpg
Thank you in advance,
Thomas
--
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
"There is the theory of the Moebius.
A twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop."
Morten Lied Johansen
Where is the D.U.C.K. in Dreamlife ?
Message 140 -
2002-12-17 at 17:54:05
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Sander D. wrote:
> >I've been trying to find the D.U.C.K in the splashpanel in Don Rosa's
> >latest masterpeice Dreamlife, but I can't find it.
>
> I found it, somewere in the fire. I shall not say where it is exactly... :)
> But it was a great story. I look forward to see it in Dutch!
*cloacking device deactivated*
Once you get that hint it's easy to find, but before that I found
something else...
(Those who prefer hunting through the splashpanel on their own for other
things than D.U.C.K. should avert their eyes now... :)
Is it me, or does the lightbulbs spell F.S.M.? Anyone able to shed some
light on the meaning of this...? :)
*cloaking device reactivated*
> >I've been trying to find the D.U.C.K in the splashpanel in Don Rosa's
> >latest masterpeice Dreamlife, but I can't find it.
>
> I found it, somewere in the fire. I shall not say where it is exactly... :)
> But it was a great story. I look forward to see it in Dutch!
*cloacking device deactivated*
Once you get that hint it's easy to find, but before that I found
something else...
(Those who prefer hunting through the splashpanel on their own for other
things than D.U.C.K. should avert their eyes now... :)
Is it me, or does the lightbulbs spell F.S.M.? Anyone able to shed some
light on the meaning of this...? :)
*cloaking device reactivated*
Mas
More US Disney comics news
Message 141 -
2002-12-17 at 20:15:22
At 12:01 PM 17-12-02 +0100, Dean Rekich wrote:
>I am just very excited about the return of Disney comics in North America and
>wanted to share my opinions. I think it would be great if other list
>members share their views also. So hopefully we will soon have a lively
>discourse on the mailing list about this subject.
Dean, I agree with everything you've said. Re-printing the Barks stories
in the mainstream-market digests makes sense. And I'd love to see TPBs
added to the Gemstone/Disney lineup, especially the Barks/Rosa/Van-Horn
TPBs that you mention.
But in a sense, this is nit-picky stuff. I'm just thankful that disney
comics are finally returning in ANY format; I'm excited about finally
seeing all the stories by Rosa, Gerstein, and others that I've been
missing; and I'll gladly take whatever I can get.
- Mark
>I am just very excited about the return of Disney comics in North America and
>wanted to share my opinions. I think it would be great if other list
>members share their views also. So hopefully we will soon have a lively
>discourse on the mailing list about this subject.
Dean, I agree with everything you've said. Re-printing the Barks stories
in the mainstream-market digests makes sense. And I'd love to see TPBs
added to the Gemstone/Disney lineup, especially the Barks/Rosa/Van-Horn
TPBs that you mention.
But in a sense, this is nit-picky stuff. I'm just thankful that disney
comics are finally returning in ANY format; I'm excited about finally
seeing all the stories by Rosa, Gerstein, and others that I've been
missing; and I'll gladly take whatever I can get.
- Mark
Kriton Kyrimis
Pluto Saves the Ship
Message 142 -
2002-12-18 at 09:57:10
THOMAS:
> In my collection I have "found" a greek reprint of Pluto Saves the Ship
> in B5 format.
> This seems not to be indexed in Inducks, however, so I wondered where
> exactly this issue comes from.
I believe it was given as a gift to subscribers of Komix. This is why
there was no price on it; you could only get it for free, along with
your subscription.
> "K[lambda]A[sigma]IKH I[sigma]TOPIA", which as far as my very limited
> understanding of Greek can tell means something like "Classic story" (?)
Exactly!
--
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"It sets such a bad precedent when you start letting the world come to an end
every week or so. It seems to erode the confidence people have in their
governments for some reason."
-----
> In my collection I have "found" a greek reprint of Pluto Saves the Ship
> in B5 format.
> This seems not to be indexed in Inducks, however, so I wondered where
> exactly this issue comes from.
I believe it was given as a gift to subscribers of Komix. This is why
there was no price on it; you could only get it for free, along with
your subscription.
> "K[lambda]A[sigma]IKH I[sigma]TOPIA", which as far as my very limited
> understanding of Greek can tell means something like "Classic story" (?)
Exactly!
--
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"It sets such a bad precedent when you start letting the world come to an end
every week or so. It seems to erode the confidence people have in their
governments for some reason."
-----
H.W.Fluks
TPBs...
Message 143 -
2002-12-18 at 11:17:57
People have been talking about the format of Gemstone's new Disney comics,
and they use the term 'Trade paperback" (TPB). I have been wondering for a
while now: what *is* a TPB? Is it like any comics I know from Gladstone,
Holland, Germany, France, Italy, Scandinavia?
I have the impression that a TPB is *not*:
- a normal comic book (like Dell's WDC);
- a digest (or pocket book, like Disney Adventures or slightly bigger);
- a prestige format (like Gladstone's WDC and US right before they stopped);
- a graphic novel (like Gladstone's CB Library in Color series).
But I can be wrong here, of course.
--Harry.
and they use the term 'Trade paperback" (TPB). I have been wondering for a
while now: what *is* a TPB? Is it like any comics I know from Gladstone,
Holland, Germany, France, Italy, Scandinavia?
I have the impression that a TPB is *not*:
- a normal comic book (like Dell's WDC);
- a digest (or pocket book, like Disney Adventures or slightly bigger);
- a prestige format (like Gladstone's WDC and US right before they stopped);
- a graphic novel (like Gladstone's CB Library in Color series).
But I can be wrong here, of course.
--Harry.
Kriton Kyrimis
TPBs...
Message 144 -
2002-12-18 at 12:53:27
HARRY:
> People have been talking about the format of Gemstone's new Disney comics,
> and they use the term 'Trade paperback" (TPB). I have been wondering for a
> while now: what *is* a TPB? Is it like any comics I know from Gladstone,
> Holland, Germany, France, Italy, Scandinavia?
When talking about books, a trade paperback is a large size paperback
book: it has the size of a hardcover book, but has the cheaper, paperback
binding, and is priced somewhere in between. Books that are expected to
sell (e.g., well-known author, next installment in a successful series,
etc.) are often published as trade paperbacks first, and then as regular
paperbacks. This is most likely a ploy by publishers to get every last
cent (US cent, most likely) from their readers.
If such is the case with comics, then I suppose that the French "Mickey
Parade", which is a book size, square bound comic, would qualify as a
trade paperback.
In Diamond's announcements, it would appear that they have something else
in mind, however. Their mention of digests, and their reluctance to use
the term, makes me think that they might be planning to produce something
similar to, say, the Greek "Klasika": a small size, square bound comic
book, printed on good paper. If Gladstone's digests were anything to go
by (four-color printing on newsprint, small pages where small details
were lost), I can understand why they would not want to use the term!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"When you're looking for a needle in a haystack, it's easy to clutch at
straws."
-----
> People have been talking about the format of Gemstone's new Disney comics,
> and they use the term 'Trade paperback" (TPB). I have been wondering for a
> while now: what *is* a TPB? Is it like any comics I know from Gladstone,
> Holland, Germany, France, Italy, Scandinavia?
When talking about books, a trade paperback is a large size paperback
book: it has the size of a hardcover book, but has the cheaper, paperback
binding, and is priced somewhere in between. Books that are expected to
sell (e.g., well-known author, next installment in a successful series,
etc.) are often published as trade paperbacks first, and then as regular
paperbacks. This is most likely a ploy by publishers to get every last
cent (US cent, most likely) from their readers.
If such is the case with comics, then I suppose that the French "Mickey
Parade", which is a book size, square bound comic, would qualify as a
trade paperback.
In Diamond's announcements, it would appear that they have something else
in mind, however. Their mention of digests, and their reluctance to use
the term, makes me think that they might be planning to produce something
similar to, say, the Greek "Klasika": a small size, square bound comic
book, printed on good paper. If Gladstone's digests were anything to go
by (four-color printing on newsprint, small pages where small details
were lost), I can understand why they would not want to use the term!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"When you're looking for a needle in a haystack, it's easy to clutch at
straws."
-----
SRoweCanoe
TPBs...
Message 145 -
2002-12-18 at 13:10:17
In a message dated 12/18/2002 4:19:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
H.W.Fluks at kpn.com writes:
> People have been talking about the format of Gemstone's new Disney comics,
> and they use the term 'Trade paperback" (TPB). I have been wondering for a
> while now: what *is* a TPB?
a TPB is a publishing term, generally meaning any paperback BOOK larger than
mass-market paperback pocketbook size ---
steven rowe
H.W.Fluks at kpn.com writes:
> People have been talking about the format of Gemstone's new Disney comics,
> and they use the term 'Trade paperback" (TPB). I have been wondering for a
> while now: what *is* a TPB?
a TPB is a publishing term, generally meaning any paperback BOOK larger than
mass-market paperback pocketbook size ---
steven rowe
Deanmary
Yet More US Disney Comics News!
Message 146 -
2002-12-18 at 20:29:04
A different 2 part interview with Steve Geppi can be found at this
site:
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/2128.html
A few comments on what some others have written so far. Thanks Dan
Shane for your "cranky" rant and rave! The last thing we need is for
people on the mailing list to only post positive views about upcoming
formats, prices, etc. Different opinions makes for more interesting and
thoughtful discussions. For what it is worth, I think $5.00 is too
steep a price too. I like the idea of the size and format of these
"digests", but it would sure be nice if the price could be more
economical.
I also agree with Mark that in a way this is all nit-picky stuff.
Perhaps I shouldn't let Gemstone in on this secret, but I am going to
support them no matter what the format is! That doesn't mean that I
don't have preferences though. The most important thing of all is to
find a successful format that gets kids reading Disney comics. If that
format is not my favorite, that is still fine with me. If kids don't
start reading Disney comics again, eventually again they will be in no
format... :( I certainly don't want that to happen! Right now I am
just extremely excited and June 2003 can't come by fast enough for me!
Dean Rekich
site:
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/2128.html
A few comments on what some others have written so far. Thanks Dan
Shane for your "cranky" rant and rave! The last thing we need is for
people on the mailing list to only post positive views about upcoming
formats, prices, etc. Different opinions makes for more interesting and
thoughtful discussions. For what it is worth, I think $5.00 is too
steep a price too. I like the idea of the size and format of these
"digests", but it would sure be nice if the price could be more
economical.
I also agree with Mark that in a way this is all nit-picky stuff.
Perhaps I shouldn't let Gemstone in on this secret, but I am going to
support them no matter what the format is! That doesn't mean that I
don't have preferences though. The most important thing of all is to
find a successful format that gets kids reading Disney comics. If that
format is not my favorite, that is still fine with me. If kids don't
start reading Disney comics again, eventually again they will be in no
format... :( I certainly don't want that to happen! Right now I am
just extremely excited and June 2003 can't come by fast enough for me!
Dean Rekich
Gary Leach
Gemstone stuff
Message 147 -
2002-12-19 at 01:40:43
Dean:
> Perhaps Gary could tell us if digests have taken the
> place of TPBs in Gemstone's plans, or if TPBs are still a big part of
> this new wave of Disney comics in the US?
I've read comments on this in the subsequent DCML digest (that word!),
and don't have much to add except that the trade paperback, in U.S.
comics practice, is either a collection of previously published
chapters of a miniseries, or of a story arc within an ongoing series,
or a wholly original work that goes longer than 64 pages (preferably
128 pages or more). Moreover, the comics tpb is usually at the same
trim size (height and width) as the standard U.S. comic book (standard
newsstand and prestige formats have virtually the same trim sizes),
particularly if they are collections.
But these are hardly hard and fast rules. And new terms for formats are
being coined all the time, often by companies looking for some kind of
"exclusivity" or "pride of place" on a specific trim size/page count,
so the confusion is only on the increase.
Gary
> Perhaps Gary could tell us if digests have taken the
> place of TPBs in Gemstone's plans, or if TPBs are still a big part of
> this new wave of Disney comics in the US?
I've read comments on this in the subsequent DCML digest (that word!),
and don't have much to add except that the trade paperback, in U.S.
comics practice, is either a collection of previously published
chapters of a miniseries, or of a story arc within an ongoing series,
or a wholly original work that goes longer than 64 pages (preferably
128 pages or more). Moreover, the comics tpb is usually at the same
trim size (height and width) as the standard U.S. comic book (standard
newsstand and prestige formats have virtually the same trim sizes),
particularly if they are collections.
But these are hardly hard and fast rules. And new terms for formats are
being coined all the time, often by companies looking for some kind of
"exclusivity" or "pride of place" on a specific trim size/page count,
so the confusion is only on the increase.
Gary
Carey Furlong
DCML digest, Vol 1 #1189 - 8 msgs
Message 148 -
2002-12-19 at 03:40:04
> Is it me, or does the lightbulbs spell F.S.M.? Anyone able to shed some
> light on the meaning of this...? :)
uuuhhh, Film Score Monthly? (See http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/ )
Well, maybe not. But knowing how esoteric Don can be, why not?
Carey
> light on the meaning of this...? :)
uuuhhh, Film Score Monthly? (See http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/ )
Well, maybe not. But knowing how esoteric Don can be, why not?
Carey
Kriton Kyrimis
Yet More US Disney Comics News!
Message 149 -
2002-12-19 at 09:23:49
> http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/2128.html
Wow! It would seem that this guy may actually pull it off and make a
success out of publishing Disney comics in the US!
One of the things that caught my eye was that they made sure that they
got the right to publish in various shapes and sizes (I wonder how much
blood was shed over this issue), which makes it possible to go to the
"Wall Marts of the world" and have them dictate the shape and size of
magazines. Sounds like an interesting approach.
Also note the item about Don's rate being $550 per page. Figure out how
many pages he produces each year, and you'll understand that Don is not
producing his stories for the money.
I also saw that Geppi has his eyes set on getting the Little Lulu
franchise, so that he can publish the stories in a more affordable format
than the old Little Lulu library.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"You mean the world's gonna end and you've forgotten about it?"
-----
Wow! It would seem that this guy may actually pull it off and make a
success out of publishing Disney comics in the US!
One of the things that caught my eye was that they made sure that they
got the right to publish in various shapes and sizes (I wonder how much
blood was shed over this issue), which makes it possible to go to the
"Wall Marts of the world" and have them dictate the shape and size of
magazines. Sounds like an interesting approach.
Also note the item about Don's rate being $550 per page. Figure out how
many pages he produces each year, and you'll understand that Don is not
producing his stories for the money.
I also saw that Geppi has his eyes set on getting the Little Lulu
franchise, so that he can publish the stories in a more affordable format
than the old Little Lulu library.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"You mean the world's gonna end and you've forgotten about it?"
-----
Timo Ronkainen
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Message 150 -
2002-12-19 at 10:21:36
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