At 1:43 AM +0200 12/22/02, Heino wrote:
>I just started to wonder that how could this be possible, since Disney
>doesn't let the artists keep the original inkings. I mean, I understand that
>there is for sale a lot of artwork that has been drawn "only" by pencil
>(sketches, etc.) but final inkings on sale at Ebay??
This art would be from before the Disney edict. My question is, though-why is the page in color? Pencilled and inked would mean black and white...
-MMM-
Author
Topic: 200212
(225 messages)
M. Mitchell Marmel
Don Rosa original artwork (??)
Message 166 -
2002-12-22 at 14:53:33
M. Mitchell Marmel
Don Rosa original artwork (??)
Message 167 -
2002-12-22 at 14:58:08
>This art would be from before the Disney edict. My question is, though-why is the page in color? Pencilled and inked would mean black and white...
Whups. Went back and actually READ the ad. "Hand colored by Don." Cool beans.
-MMM-
Whups. Went back and actually READ the ad. "Hand colored by Don." Cool beans.
-MMM-
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Sigvald's Birthday "Bash"
Message 168 -
2002-12-22 at 17:50:32
>> SIGVALD WROTE:
>>
>> But this is *not* the only reason I may sound
>> a little irritated right now. Today's my
>> birthday, and I would like to find some more
>> interesting new stuff on DCML than this Prince
>> Valliant stuff.
>
> AND DAN SHANE RESPONDED:
>
> There are 2 birthdays recorded in the Bible.
> Both result in beheadings ordered by the
> respective birthday boy. Sounds like Sigvald
> would fit right in when his birth anniversary
> rolls around.
SO I RESPOND TO DAN:
I think that most people here would have found
it much more interesting if you had contacted
your friend Don in order to have Stefan's rumour
verified or falsified, in stead of associating
my names to beheadings in the Bible.
Anyway, the unusual long waiting for more facts
around Stefan's rumour may cause a stressed
atmosphere on DCML, I guess that's not what
we want no just before Chrsitmas – is it?
Sigvald :-)
>>
>> But this is *not* the only reason I may sound
>> a little irritated right now. Today's my
>> birthday, and I would like to find some more
>> interesting new stuff on DCML than this Prince
>> Valliant stuff.
>
> AND DAN SHANE RESPONDED:
>
> There are 2 birthdays recorded in the Bible.
> Both result in beheadings ordered by the
> respective birthday boy. Sounds like Sigvald
> would fit right in when his birth anniversary
> rolls around.
SO I RESPOND TO DAN:
I think that most people here would have found
it much more interesting if you had contacted
your friend Don in order to have Stefan's rumour
verified or falsified, in stead of associating
my names to beheadings in the Bible.
Anyway, the unusual long waiting for more facts
around Stefan's rumour may cause a stressed
atmosphere on DCML, I guess that's not what
we want no just before Chrsitmas – is it?
Sigvald :-)
Rodney W Bowcock Jr.
Boring discussion
Message 169 -
2002-12-22 at 18:49:38
Hey Sigvald,
If you don't like the discussion, you don't have to read the posts. It's
as simple as that. I've skipped digests countless times, simply scanning
the topics to see if anyone is talking about anything I'm interested in
or know about.
Nobody's forcing you to read every word sent to the digest.....
Rodney Bowcock
Past Tense Productions
"Classic movies and TV for $7"
If you don't like the discussion, you don't have to read the posts. It's
as simple as that. I've skipped digests countless times, simply scanning
the topics to see if anyone is talking about anything I'm interested in
or know about.
Nobody's forcing you to read every word sent to the digest.....
Rodney Bowcock
Past Tense Productions
"Classic movies and TV for $7"
Rodney W Bowcock Jr.
Don's artwork
Message 170 -
2002-12-22 at 18:52:08
The pieces of Rosa are on ebay are from very early stories, when Don
*did* recieve his artwork back. In fact, he told me once that most of
his early income came from that. So, he probably sold the art to someone
in good faith that they'd enjoy it for a long time, and now that person
is trying to turn a profit on it. Not very nice in my book, in fact, I
recall that sort of thing as being one of the reasons why Don is
reluctant to draw original art for people.
Rodney Bowcock
Past Tense Productions
"Classic movies and TV for $7"
*did* recieve his artwork back. In fact, he told me once that most of
his early income came from that. So, he probably sold the art to someone
in good faith that they'd enjoy it for a long time, and now that person
is trying to turn a profit on it. Not very nice in my book, in fact, I
recall that sort of thing as being one of the reasons why Don is
reluctant to draw original art for people.
Rodney Bowcock
Past Tense Productions
"Classic movies and TV for $7"
Søren Krarup Olesen
Sigvald's Birthday "Bash"
Message 171 -
2002-12-22 at 19:14:13
SIGVALD + ALL:
> Anyway, the unusual long waiting for more facts around Stefan's
> rumour may cause a stressed atmosphere on DCML, I guess that's not
> what we want no just before Chrsitmas – is it?
Stress always tops shortly before Christmas, Sigvald. Neither your mails
nor others can change that fact.
Merry Christmas to everybody here! :-)
Best,
S?ren
(born in 1966, when The Beatles still played pure pop, well...almost)
> Anyway, the unusual long waiting for more facts around Stefan's
> rumour may cause a stressed atmosphere on DCML, I guess that's not
> what we want no just before Chrsitmas – is it?
Stress always tops shortly before Christmas, Sigvald. Neither your mails
nor others can change that fact.
Merry Christmas to everybody here! :-)
Best,
S?ren
(born in 1966, when The Beatles still played pure pop, well...almost)
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
Holiday Greeting Cards
Message 172 -
2002-12-22 at 21:16:20
Rob Klein wrote:
> Happy Holidays to all. I have finally (belatedly) finished drawing my holiday
> greetings card for DCML, which includes 2 drawings.
Rob asked me to make a notice here that his two very nice drawings
(these were not his exact words, but mine, obviously :-) can be seen
from this URL:
http://misc.duckburg.dk/robklein_dcml_xmas/
Also, a Merry Christmas to all DCMLers from me! :-)
Thomas
--
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
"There is the theory of the Moebius.
A twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop."
> Happy Holidays to all. I have finally (belatedly) finished drawing my holiday
> greetings card for DCML, which includes 2 drawings.
Rob asked me to make a notice here that his two very nice drawings
(these were not his exact words, but mine, obviously :-) can be seen
from this URL:
http://misc.duckburg.dk/robklein_dcml_xmas/
Also, a Merry Christmas to all DCMLers from me! :-)
Thomas
--
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
"There is the theory of the Moebius.
A twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop."
Carey Furlong
Sigvald is bored
Message 173 -
2002-12-22 at 22:34:33
Sigvald wrote:
> No, it wasn't! It was started by Carey Furlong.
> Don Rosa just answered a question about some
> letters he did hide in his latest story "The
> Dream of a Lifetime". Anyway Dons part of that
> discussion was written before the rumor was
> posted.
No sir, I did not start the discussion about Prince Valiant. Don first
mentioned him in regards to Film Score Monthly. Go back and try "reading"
the thing again. All I did was clarify the title. I first mentioned Film
Score Monthly as a possible meaning of the acronym FSM, which appeared on
one of his comic pages. Then Don mentioned Prince Valiant.
And something else: The "major rumor" you mention, which engendered your
irritation in the first place because no one responded to it fast enough to
suit you on your birthday is not as far as I'm concerned, "maybe the biggest
news of the year." I always believed Don Rosa, whom I love, would return to
producing stories. For me the biggest news of the year is the announcement
of the return of Disney comics to America. That, my loquacious friend, is
"for me" the single most important fact in comics for 2002. But that's also
just my opinion, and I don't fault others for not sharing it, and many
won't. Yet, even so, I won't accuse them of being irritating or
participating in boring discussions, not even on my birthday.
Sheesh! The major irritant on the list is irritated and bored with some of
us. Is that ironic, or what?
Carey
> No, it wasn't! It was started by Carey Furlong.
> Don Rosa just answered a question about some
> letters he did hide in his latest story "The
> Dream of a Lifetime". Anyway Dons part of that
> discussion was written before the rumor was
> posted.
No sir, I did not start the discussion about Prince Valiant. Don first
mentioned him in regards to Film Score Monthly. Go back and try "reading"
the thing again. All I did was clarify the title. I first mentioned Film
Score Monthly as a possible meaning of the acronym FSM, which appeared on
one of his comic pages. Then Don mentioned Prince Valiant.
And something else: The "major rumor" you mention, which engendered your
irritation in the first place because no one responded to it fast enough to
suit you on your birthday is not as far as I'm concerned, "maybe the biggest
news of the year." I always believed Don Rosa, whom I love, would return to
producing stories. For me the biggest news of the year is the announcement
of the return of Disney comics to America. That, my loquacious friend, is
"for me" the single most important fact in comics for 2002. But that's also
just my opinion, and I don't fault others for not sharing it, and many
won't. Yet, even so, I won't accuse them of being irritating or
participating in boring discussions, not even on my birthday.
Sheesh! The major irritant on the list is irritated and bored with some of
us. Is that ironic, or what?
Carey
Tom.Kirkerud
Tom Kirkerud er ikke tilstede på kontoret.
Message 174 -
2002-12-23 at 02:01:08
Jeg er ikke til stede p? kontoret fra og med den 21.12.2002. Jeg er tilbake
den 02.01.2003.
Jeg vil svare p? meldingen n?r jeg kommer tilbake.
den 02.01.2003.
Jeg vil svare p? meldingen n?r jeg kommer tilbake.
Stefan Persson
Tom Kirkerud er ikke tilstede på konto
Message 175 -
2002-12-23 at 02:25:53
>From: tom.kirkerud at fnh.no
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: Tom Kirkerud er ikke tilstede p? kontoret.
>Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:01:08 +0100
>Jeg er ikke til stede p? kontoret fra og med den 21.12.2002. Jeg er tilbake
>den 02.01.2003.
>
>Jeg vil svare p? meldingen n?r jeg kommer tilbake.
For those who don't understand Norwegian, here's a translation:
"I won't be at the office from the 21st of December, 2002 and on. I'll be
back on the 2nd of January, 2003.
I'll answer the message when I return."
Stefan
_________________________________________________________________
Chatta med v?nner p? n?tet, pr?va MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.se
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: Tom Kirkerud er ikke tilstede p? kontoret.
>Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:01:08 +0100
>Jeg er ikke til stede p? kontoret fra og med den 21.12.2002. Jeg er tilbake
>den 02.01.2003.
>
>Jeg vil svare p? meldingen n?r jeg kommer tilbake.
For those who don't understand Norwegian, here's a translation:
"I won't be at the office from the 21st of December, 2002 and on. I'll be
back on the 2nd of January, 2003.
I'll answer the message when I return."
Stefan
_________________________________________________________________
Chatta med v?nner p? n?tet, pr?va MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.se
H.W.Fluks
Don Rosa original artwork
Message 176 -
2002-12-23 at 14:47:20
Janne:
> I just started to wonder that how could this be possible, since Disney
> doesn't let the artists keep the original inkings.
That was *Disney Comics*, as part of the Disney company in the USA. The
other licensees, like Gladstone, Sanoma, Egmont, all return(ed) the original
artwork to the artist.
You can also buy original pages of Jippes and Nadorp, for instance.
Rodney:
> So, [Don] probably sold the art to someone
> in good faith that they'd enjoy it for a long time, and now
> that person
> is trying to turn a profit on it. Not very nice in my book,
> in fact, I
> recall that sort of thing as being one of the reasons why Don is
> reluctant to draw original art for people.
There's a difference between a *gift*, for instance a fan drawing, and
something that has been *bought*. There's nothing wrong with re-selling
something that you bought with money. Don was objecting to people who are
selling his *gifts*.
(When an artist like Don makes a drawing for me, I always like the drawing
to be as personal as possible, for instance with name and date. After all,
these drawings are for *showing off*, not for selling. 8-)
And for those who are not bored by this message: merry Christmas! 8-)
--Harry.
> I just started to wonder that how could this be possible, since Disney
> doesn't let the artists keep the original inkings.
That was *Disney Comics*, as part of the Disney company in the USA. The
other licensees, like Gladstone, Sanoma, Egmont, all return(ed) the original
artwork to the artist.
You can also buy original pages of Jippes and Nadorp, for instance.
Rodney:
> So, [Don] probably sold the art to someone
> in good faith that they'd enjoy it for a long time, and now
> that person
> is trying to turn a profit on it. Not very nice in my book,
> in fact, I
> recall that sort of thing as being one of the reasons why Don is
> reluctant to draw original art for people.
There's a difference between a *gift*, for instance a fan drawing, and
something that has been *bought*. There's nothing wrong with re-selling
something that you bought with money. Don was objecting to people who are
selling his *gifts*.
(When an artist like Don makes a drawing for me, I always like the drawing
to be as personal as possible, for instance with name and date. After all,
these drawings are for *showing off*, not for selling. 8-)
And for those who are not bored by this message: merry Christmas! 8-)
--Harry.
HorizonHse
DCML digest, Vol 1 #1194 - 12 msgs
Message 177 -
2002-12-23 at 22:17:57
In a message dated 12/23/02 3:01:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:
> The pieces of Rosa are on ebay are from very early stories, when Don
> *did* recieve his artwork back. In fact, he told me once that most of
> his early income came from that. So, he probably sold the art to someone
> in good faith that they'd enjoy it for a long time, and now that person
> is trying to turn a profit on it. Not very nice in my book, in fact, I
> recall that sort of thing as being one of the reasons why Don is
>
> reluctant to draw original art for people.
>
>
We've had discussion of selling artwork on the secondary market before. The
question of whether it should be sold or not when received originally
directly from the artist is one that we'll never resolve.
No one objected to artwork by Carl Barks being resold on the secondary
market, not even Carl; no one objects to comic books being resold. For those
of us born after an artist has retired or died, the secondary market is the
only place to buy any original artwork.
I've never sold any original artwork I've bought -- including artwork by Don
Rosa -- but I don't see anything wrong with someone, for whatever reasons
selling an item -- changing hobby interests, financial need, moving to a
smaller home; it only lets a new individual enjoy the piece.
Kindly remember that without dealers and a secondary market, not only would
the artwork have little or no value -- we all know what happened to original
pages when publishers thought they were worthless after the comic was issued
-- but more important, older material would be difficult if not impossible to
find.
Regards,
William Price
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:
> The pieces of Rosa are on ebay are from very early stories, when Don
> *did* recieve his artwork back. In fact, he told me once that most of
> his early income came from that. So, he probably sold the art to someone
> in good faith that they'd enjoy it for a long time, and now that person
> is trying to turn a profit on it. Not very nice in my book, in fact, I
> recall that sort of thing as being one of the reasons why Don is
>
> reluctant to draw original art for people.
>
>
We've had discussion of selling artwork on the secondary market before. The
question of whether it should be sold or not when received originally
directly from the artist is one that we'll never resolve.
No one objected to artwork by Carl Barks being resold on the secondary
market, not even Carl; no one objects to comic books being resold. For those
of us born after an artist has retired or died, the secondary market is the
only place to buy any original artwork.
I've never sold any original artwork I've bought -- including artwork by Don
Rosa -- but I don't see anything wrong with someone, for whatever reasons
selling an item -- changing hobby interests, financial need, moving to a
smaller home; it only lets a new individual enjoy the piece.
Kindly remember that without dealers and a secondary market, not only would
the artwork have little or no value -- we all know what happened to original
pages when publishers thought they were worthless after the comic was issued
-- but more important, older material would be difficult if not impossible to
find.
Regards,
William Price
Fernando Ventura
"On this Christmas, eat jaca!"
Message 178 -
2002-12-24 at 05:36:39
I've liked so much Rob and Timo's Christmas drawings!
Here it's my Christmas card to all my friends on DCML (weel, not only on
DCML ;-):
http://www.inducks.hpg.ig.com.br/portfolio/ZeCarioca_Natal_2002_Cor.jpg
Jaca is an Brazilian fruit that Jos? and his friends love so much and Pedr?o
has an plantation of them!
Fernando! :-)
Here it's my Christmas card to all my friends on DCML (weel, not only on
DCML ;-):
http://www.inducks.hpg.ig.com.br/portfolio/ZeCarioca_Natal_2002_Cor.jpg
Jaca is an Brazilian fruit that Jos? and his friends love so much and Pedr?o
has an plantation of them!
Fernando! :-)
Don Rosa
DCML digest #1192
Message 179 -
2002-12-24 at 07:52:46
> From: Stefan Diös <pyas at swipnet.se>
> OK, then, so who is A.M. in the two lamps on the wall...?
That's for YOU and your "Apparent Mistake" in thinking those squiggles are
letters. But I looked, and it does look like an "A" and an "M", eh?
> Also, Don, I hear that your strike is over and you've taken up comics work
> again. This should be a great news item, but I don't think I've seen it
> mentioned on this list. Anything you can tell us?
Well, since this stuff is strictly between me and Egmont, I don't
automatically blab about it (unless forced to). Yes, we seem to have pretty
much come to a mutual agreement that I think will allow me to continue to
create new stories and other artwork for at least another few years (and I
hope longer). I might not be actively supporting all all-Rosa reprint
projects, but I at least will allow the use of my name on the projects, and
hopefully we'll work something out so that I can be directly involved
(because I enjoy it and I am very proud of such projects, obviously).
But now consider the time lag here... don't look for anything new too soon.
If I start a story NOW, it takes me about 3 or 4 months to finish one, and
then there's a 6 month span of time between completion and
first-publication. That means you won't see a new story by moi for at
*least* 9 months. I hate that. 6 months lost...
> OK, then, so who is A.M. in the two lamps on the wall...?
That's for YOU and your "Apparent Mistake" in thinking those squiggles are
letters. But I looked, and it does look like an "A" and an "M", eh?
> Also, Don, I hear that your strike is over and you've taken up comics work
> again. This should be a great news item, but I don't think I've seen it
> mentioned on this list. Anything you can tell us?
Well, since this stuff is strictly between me and Egmont, I don't
automatically blab about it (unless forced to). Yes, we seem to have pretty
much come to a mutual agreement that I think will allow me to continue to
create new stories and other artwork for at least another few years (and I
hope longer). I might not be actively supporting all all-Rosa reprint
projects, but I at least will allow the use of my name on the projects, and
hopefully we'll work something out so that I can be directly involved
(because I enjoy it and I am very proud of such projects, obviously).
But now consider the time lag here... don't look for anything new too soon.
If I start a story NOW, it takes me about 3 or 4 months to finish one, and
then there's a 6 month span of time between completion and
first-publication. That means you won't see a new story by moi for at
*least* 9 months. I hate that. 6 months lost...
Kai Saarto
Rosa back in business
Message 180 -
2002-12-24 at 11:57:36
Don Rosa wrote:
> Well, since this stuff is strictly between me and Egmont, I don't
> automatically blab about it (unless forced to). Yes, we seem to have pretty
> much come to a mutual agreement that I think will allow me to continue to
> create new stories and other artwork for at least another few years (and I
> hope longer). I might not be actively supporting all all-Rosa reprint
> projects, but I at least will allow the use of my name on the projects, and
> hopefully we'll work something out so that I can be directly involved
> (because I enjoy it and I am very proud of such projects, obviously).
> But now consider the time lag here... don't look for anything new too soon.
> If I start a story NOW, it takes me about 3 or 4 months to finish one, and
> then there's a 6 month span of time between completion and
> first-publication. That means you won't see a new story by moi for at
> *least* 9 months. I hate that. 6 months lost...
Still, this is great news to get on December 24th. I for one am very
glad to see you back in business. Merry Christmas to everyone who
celebrates it!
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
> Well, since this stuff is strictly between me and Egmont, I don't
> automatically blab about it (unless forced to). Yes, we seem to have pretty
> much come to a mutual agreement that I think will allow me to continue to
> create new stories and other artwork for at least another few years (and I
> hope longer). I might not be actively supporting all all-Rosa reprint
> projects, but I at least will allow the use of my name on the projects, and
> hopefully we'll work something out so that I can be directly involved
> (because I enjoy it and I am very proud of such projects, obviously).
> But now consider the time lag here... don't look for anything new too soon.
> If I start a story NOW, it takes me about 3 or 4 months to finish one, and
> then there's a 6 month span of time between completion and
> first-publication. That means you won't see a new story by moi for at
> *least* 9 months. I hate that. 6 months lost...
Still, this is great news to get on December 24th. I for one am very
glad to see you back in business. Merry Christmas to everyone who
celebrates it!
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa