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At 02:06 PM 12/6/02 +0100, sigvald at duckburg.dk wrote:

>"Donald D. Markstein" wrote:
>
> > Calvin & Hobbes comes about as close to "objective"
> > quality as it's possible to come. It has the unique
> > distinction of having won two Reuben Awards in its
> > first three years, and is almost as popular in reruns
> > as it was when it was first coming out -- and that's
> > VERY popular.
>
>Off course it is popular. That is (I think) because it
>is seen as "correct" by many young people who often are
>more or less unfamiliar with the high quality comics
>traditions from the 1930's, 1940's, 1950's, 1960's and
>the early 1970's. I have even heard such "correct"
>people say that "Bah! Donald Duck is just for kids".

What do you mean by "correct?" Surely you don't
mean politically correct, as that just doesn't fit.
Calvin & Hobbes is popular because it's
both very funny (not at all a bad thing), and it makes
observations about us (life, family, friendship, interactions
with peers, the world of the imagination, etc.) that are
both poignant and accurate. It creates characters that
we come to love and care about.

I have a large collection of Disney comics from the 60's,
when I was young. Many contain great Barks stories,
but there are a lot of rather juvenile (and totally shallow as
far as reflections on life are concerned) Disney comics that
function as filler in my opinion. Stories that are eminently
forgettable.

> > For that matter, I'm a big fan of Ernie, too, and
> > Beetle Bailey often gets a laugh out of me as well...
>
>Exactly!!! These comics seems to be about one thing
>- humor. Unfortunately some people seems to believe
>that short humor gags is all that comics should be
>concerned about.

But a comic like Calvin & Hobbes, or Bloom County, is
about so much more. Sure, the humor is there, thankfully,
but those comics also contain a lot of insight, political
commentary, etc.

>Well, I am different, I prefer long comics stories
>with an intelligent plot. So I very seldom read
>modern humor gags comics.

Well, you'll only get those from Rosa, some Barks, Gottredson, or
the better super-hero stories (of which there are a few that
are worthy of consideration). Maybe the situation is better
where you live, however....

Dave Fenske

>Sigvald :-)
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Hi all!

Sorry for this OT-mail, but lately I have been bombarded
with American spam in both my mail-adresses. Since there
is a possibillity that these spam-"terrorists" have found
my and other mail-addresses via DCML I see it as my duty
to warn you about it so that DCML's security, if possible,
can be improved. I'll also try to send some of the spams
over to our Danish friend Søren Krarup Olesen so that he
can findt their IP/IPs in order to have them reported to
their mail-hosts.

Please notice that this posting is *not* meant as an
offence against anybody here, and please remember that
spam-"terrorism" is not stopped by any use of, or any
threath of using killfilters aganist anyone in this
group.

Sigvald :-)

Hi all!

Sorry for this OT-mail, but lately I have been bombarded
with American spam in both my mail-adresses. Since there
is a possibillity that these spam-"terrorists" have found
my and other mail-addresses via DCML I see it as my duty
to warn you about it so that DCML's security, if possible,
can be improved. I'll also try to send some of the spams
over to our Danish friend Søren Krarup Olesen so that he
can findt their IP/IPs in order to have them reported to
their mail-hosts.

Please notice that this posting is *not* meant as an
offence against anybody here, and please remember that
spam-"terrorism" is not stopped by any use of, or any
threath of using killfilters aganist anyone in this
group.

Sigvald :-)

I have been *bombarded* with 4 times the same message by Sigvald.
What about that?

Georges

----- Original Message -----
From: <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 2:20 AM
Subject: DCML is misused by spam-"terrorists"?

>
> Hi all!
>
> Sorry for this OT-mail, but lately I have been bombarded
> with American spam in both my mail-adresses. Since there
> is a possibillity that these spam-"terrorists" have found
> my and other mail-addresses via DCML I see it as my duty
> to warn you about it so that DCML's security, if possible,
> can be improved. I'll also try to send some of the spams
> over to our Danish friend S?ren Krarup Olesen so that he
> can findt their IP/IPs in order to have them reported to
> their mail-hosts.
>
> Please notice that this posting is *not* meant as an
> offence against anybody here, and please remember that
> spam-"terrorism" is not stopped by any use of, or any
> threath of using killfilters aganist anyone in this
> group.
>
> Sigvald :-)
> _______________________________________________
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
>
>

In a message dated 12/7/2002 5:31:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, geohelm at pt.lu
writes:

> I have been *bombarded* with 4 times the same message
>

i find the use of the "killfile" to be real helpful against certain email
"terrorists"

steven rowe

Sigvald, I don't even know what you mean by "correct", and I certainly don't
have any idea why you evidently feel such contempt for people who enjoy what
you call "correct" comics -- such as myself.

I am very sorry for your apparent inability to appreciate any comics but
those about Donald Duck. But the denigrating terms you use in describing
those who can appreciate them is getting very tiresome.

Quack, Don

Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm

This list doesn't always manage to pay attention to the central
aspect of Disney Comics related life which is that of
_publications_: what is for sale, where, when, and is it good?
This message is just to point out that there are two Barks items
out now, for sale all over Norway, and I assume also Denmark
and Sweden:

* Carl Barks Christmas Stories (or similar title),
hardcover, 200+ pages, price 250 NOK or so (more than
30 Euro or USD). I didn't buy it as I have all the stories already
in other editions. This is a problem with Barks, of course, his
constant use and re-use makes it difficult for the publishers
and the prospective buyers: we have seen it all before.
But I suppose the book is well done. I noticed a couple of
Firestone Giveaway Christmas stories, for example (I particularly
like the one from Firestone 1947). Also, for the umpteenth time,
Christmas on Bear Mountain. It has become the Vivaldi's
Four Seasons of Disney comics (welldeservedly). The market
must soon be saturated, after nearly twenty years of Barks
hardcover book collections, published I think since 1984 just
in time for Christmas shopping. -- The market should be ready
for similar hardcover books filled with Rosa stories. Surely that
is the next logical step, for Egmont Scandinavia.

* Carl Barks Benny Burro & Barney Bear stories (or similar title):
a nice enough album with perhaps eight stories, taken from
Barks' years 1943-1947 with "Our Gang". Again, I didn't
buy it, since I have the stories already. Perhaps someone else
here could give us more details.

Nils Lid Hjort

In a message dated 12/7/2002 9:54:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
brit.lunnan at chello.no writes:

> This is a problem with Barks, of course, his
> constant use and re-use makes it difficult for the publishers
> and the prospective buyers: we have seen it all before.
>
and why i feel it is important to mix Barks with other solid creators (and
not just Barks imitators) in "entry level" publications --
i have no need to buy my 5th reprinting of a Barks story -- but there are
plenty of people who have never (never!) read any Barks! wow, imagine the
fun they are about to get!

steven rowe