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Kriton Kyrimis
SIGVALD:

> in the US they distinguish between
> Donald's home "Duckburg" and Mickey's home "Mouston". Do
> any of you know if that's the situation in any European
> languages as well?

In Greece, the ducks live in "Limnoupoli" (Lake City), and Mickey lives in
"Mickey City".

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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Tommy
From: <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
>
> As you probably know, in the US they distinguish between
> Donald's home "Duckburg" and Mickey's home "Mouston". Do
> any of you know if that's the situation in any European
> languages as well?
>
In Italian Donald/Paperino lives in "Paperopoli" and Mickey/Topolino lives
in "Topolinia".
The two cities are situated on the west coast of USA (I omit the discussions
regarding the name of the state and its position)... But I know that in
France Donald lives in Donaldville, a town situated on the west coast... of
France! Yes, it is... And Scrooge/Picsou has on his money bin the symbol of
franc...

Bye all

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Timo Ronkainen
>any of you know if that's the situation in any European
>languages as well?

In Finland (and AFAIK in all scandinavian countries) mice and ducks live in
same city. In Finland it's called Ankkalinna (Duckburg). Chief O'Hara is
chief of police of Ankkalinna.

Timo

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Here's some more precise info on what the two masters used to ink with.

> Barks used a #356 Esterbrook art and drafting pen
> Gottfredson used a Gillotte #290
>
All according to Barks and Gottfredson themselves.

/Joakim.
Olivier
Hello everyone!

Sigvald:
>> As you probably know, in the US they distinguish between
>> Donald's home "Duckburg" and Mickey's home "Mouston". Do
>> any of you know if that's the situation in any European
>> languages as well?

As Tommy noted,

>> in France Donald lives in Donaldville, a town situated on the west coast... of
>>France! Yes, it is... And Scrooge/Picsou has on his money bin the symbol of franc...

I don't know about the location of Donaldville; Gilles probably is more apt to address this issue;
as for the Franc, I guess the Money Bin's shield now bears the Euro symbol instead.
And Mickey lives in... Mickeyville!

Olivier,
Paris (nope, no Olivierville-- yet)
Simon DeBeer
I have never really taken to accepting Mickey lives in Mouseton (or even
that Donald lives in Duckburg). The creation of Duckburg seems to me to be
a creation of Barks to meet a particular purpose at a point in time. I don't
know much about Mouseton other than I came across it in Gladstone comics.
Clearly the origin of the wider Mickey Mouse gang thru theatrical shorts and
early Gotffredson stories is that they all seemed to live in the same place,
(a small mid-west American town?) In the very earliest days, they all came
from the same farmyard. In early British Disney Annuals (circa 1950s), the
gang lived in Disneyville. I remember a Gottfredson story referring to a
place called something like Hometown.

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Sgarciab
So nice; very, very nice, Rich. There are a few characters which I *do*
know ;-)

Santiago.
Xephyr
Rob Klein asked:
> Thanks, Rich, for making that fabulous banner. I recognise several
> of the figure poses. Did you draw the banner yourself, copying
> some poses? Or, did you scan all the figures, then manipulate
> them around, cutting, pasting and editing lines?

Well, it was a combination of many things. What I typically do is
seek out a good, front-facing image of the character which illustrates
the most details. If that isn't possible, I seek an image that comes
fairly close. If that isn't possible, then, sometimes I have to
start from scratch, and, yes, actually draw the character, hoping to
get it as close to it's likeness as possible, sometimes merging a
combination of different artists styles. Even when I scan a good
image, though, I always need to edit it, sometimes completely re-
drawing the image over the original, so I can even out the lines
and flatten the colors (removing a lot of the dithering and mixed
colors which result from the printing "dots" that form the various
mixtures of colors in the comics). Sometimes only part of a image
is available as the character may have been obscured partly by another
or by being partly off-panel, so I must fill in the rest of the
details. In a few cases, I actually had to draw the character while
watching the cartoon from which they were derived. I have a video
capture card that supposedly allows me to capture screen images from
my VCR, but they are so bad that the images is usually a very fuzzy
ghost of what I am trying to capture, but can serve as the foundation
for the final image still.

> How did you make it?

I have ALL of the characters "full body shots" saved on various files,
and all I did was import them all into ONE art file in Adobe Photoshop
on different layers (in this case about 80 different layers), then
adjust them so they were all approximately sized correctly, and positioned
in a way that best allows others to be seen around them. Then I added
the "HooZoo" banner and merged ALL the images to one layer and saved it
as a GIF.

> I like Olivier's idea for character identification. A few of us
> hard-core comic book fans are not completely knowledgeable of all
> the Disney animation characters.

Easier said than done, though it can be done, I think. Still, I'm
not planning to use this image for the relaunch, so I'll consider it
based on how much work it will cause me.

> Thanks for all the good work on your graphics and HOOZOO.

Your welcome. I just wish I had more free time. I can't wait to
add things like Panchito's full name (Panchito Romero Miguel Junitero
Francisco Quinterro Gonzales a.k.a. Panchito Pistoles, son of Maria &
Miguel Gonzales, grandson of Sofia & Jose Morales and Raquel & Roberto
Gonzales).
Maybe Guilles or Sigvald are interested in that bit of knowledge?

For the record, here is another recent banner I made for my Message Board:
http://members3.boardhost.com/DisneyComics/

-Rich Bellacera

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Mas
At 12:01 PM 08-12-02 +0100, Dean Rekich wrote:
> Hi! I was wondering if anyone on the list would be interested in
>getting a copy of the Don Rosa calendar for me as I live in the US? I
>would be happy to pay for the calendar and the shipping costs in
>advance. Thanks, and feel free to reply to me via my email address.

Dean, you beat me to the punch. I was just about to post the same question
when I read your message!

I, too, live in the U.S. and would like to buy one of these calendars as a
Christmas gift for one of my young duck-fanatic relatives. I've been
asking around at bookstores and comic shops, but they all say that they are
unable to order one.

Is there any way to buy one online someplace? Or if anyone on the list
would be willing to buy one (any language is OK) then, like Dean, I'll
gladly pay costs, shipping, etc. in advance.

- Mark Semich
mas at nic.nu
Halsten Aastebol
At 15:51 07.12.02 +0100, Nils Lid Hjort wrote:

>* Carl Barks Benny Burro & Barney Bear stories (or similar title):
>a nice enough album with perhaps eight stories, taken from
>Barks' years 1943-1947 with "Our Gang". Again, I didn't
>buy it, since I have the stories already. Perhaps someone else
>here could give us more details.

I bought this, although I have all the stories from before. I was really
happy to see that in addition to the five (or what it is) different Disney
xmas albums and two hardcover books (one of them beeing the Barks book),
there was an album dedicated to Barks' Barney Bear and Benny Burro. Strange
xmas album in the way that there are no xmas stories (I beleive there are
no such among Barks' Our Gang stories). But who cares. Making comic buyers
aware of these stories is a great thing!

The stories included are (the first two starring Benny the Lonesome Burro,
the rest of them Barney Bear and Benny Burro):
* OCG 9: Playful Mountain Goat
* OCG 10: A Bird of Beauty is a Pest Forever
* OCG 18: Serenade for a Senorita
* OCG 20: Doctor and Patient
* OCG 21: To Ski or Not to Ski
* OCG 26: Complete Anglers

And what's more: On the back cover is an announcement that the Barney Bear
and Benny Burro stories will be reprinted in a series of albums!!
I really hope this will happen, because I still haven't read all those stories.

Regards
Halsten
H.W.Fluks
Sigfjeld:

> I also think that I.N.D.U.C.K.S. / COA should have these
> storied listed by English titles

We have several "English titles" in Inducks:

1. The "original" title, which may be an internal title used by the
writers/artists/editors; depending on these people, the title may or may not
be in English;

2. The title of the story as printed on a (re)print in the English language
- for instance in India or Australia;

3. The "title" of the story as listed in the *contents* page of a (re)print
in English.

The Marlin/Zapotek stories you talked about have no English title because
none of the 3 above is the case.
But anyone is invited to deliver English *descriptions* of these stories.

--Harry.
Stefan Persson
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Subject: Titles in Inducks (RE: Today's best Mickey stories)

> But anyone is invited to deliver English *descriptions* of these stories.

...with the only problem being that there is no English description field in
FSB.

Stefan
Donald D. Markstein
> Hei, all!
>
> As you probably know, in the US they distinguish between
> Donald's home "Duckburg" and Mickey's home "Mouston". Do
> any of you know if that's the situation in any European
> languages as well?
>
> Sigvald :-)

At Egmont, Donald and Mickey both live in Duckburg.

And what does it mean to say "in the US", when speaking of practices among
Disney comics publishers? I know they used "Mouseton" when Disney was
publishing its own comics, but that was only a brief period, and a long time
ago now. I don't recall how Gladstone did it, but whatever it was, they're
not doing it anymore. And we don't know yet how the new publisher will do
it.

Quack, Don

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Mateusz Lis
> As you probably know, in the US they distinguish between
> Donald's home "Duckburg" and Mickey's home "Mouston". Do
> any of you know if that's the situation in any European
> languages as well?

In Poland ducks live in Kaczogr?d and mice live in Myszogr?d. In Egmont
publications both cities are located in USA, but in Komiksowo (weekly
newspaper supplement) they live in Poland.

Mateusz
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Xephyr
Personally, I'm partial to the Donald in Duckburg and Mickey in Mouseton
version. If I'm not mistaken, I think David Gerstein once said that here
in the USA it was also published that the name of Mickey's hometown was
once called Mickeyville, but I'm not sure.

Reading many of the old DD/$crooge stories you see a primarily
Dogface/Duckbill/Birdbeak population in Duckburg with a sprinkling of
Pignoses and even less of others. While in MM/Goofy stories you primarily
see Dogface/Pignose and a great variety of other races resembling cats,
goats, cows, horses, rats and even elephants running around. Duckburg's
population resembling a farmyard with limited species, and Mouseton
resembling a cross between a farmyard and a zoo. The reasoning, while
obviously flawed, seems to indicate that the two towns have a different
population of races... I'm sure it really boils down to what Barks,
Gottfredson and others were comfortable drawing, but the emphasis seems to
be there nonetheless. Only on special ocassions do you see a story where
Clarabelle appears in a Scrooge or Donald story, and rarely do we see
Mickey or Goofy relations such as Morty & Ferdie or Gilbert running around
with Donald or Scrooge. Even special events like Christmas rarely sees the
two groupings mix (Donald and the Duck clan, along with Gyro and some other
natives of Duckburg have dinner together, while Mickey, Minnie, Goofy and
their friends and relations have dinner together without the Ducks).
There's at least an insinuated seperation between the two groupings.

As for why Mickey and Donald (and others) ocassionally appear together, it
has always been understood that the two towns are not that far apart, and
with Mickey & Donald (and Minnie & Daisy), etc. being friends, it's easy to
see why they would take the time to visit eachother. Scrooge, Gyro or
Ludwig, while in the next town, is still reasonably close enough if Mickey
or Goofy needed to seek their help, and vice versa.

Now the homes belonging to Big Bad Wolf, the 3 Little Pigs, Br'er Rabbit
and Bambi are a little further. And Jose Carioca's even further. But this
is an extirely different issue. LOL!

It works for me anyhow.

-Rich Bellacera

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