Rob Klein wrote:
> Although Gilles is correct that it would be
> more difficult to make a family tree for
> Mickey mouse than for Donald Duck, -it would
> be very interesting to see.
Agree! But IMO it's success would depend upon a creator as faithfull towards
Gottfredson and Murry as Don Rosa was towards Barks when drawing Donald's
Family tree.
Sigvald :-)
Author
Topic: 200304
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Mickey's Family Tree
Message 1 -
2003-04-01 at 00:07:41
Luca Boschi
A Mickey's story
Message 2 -
2003-04-01 at 00:40:04
Thanks, Stefan Persson!
> You'll find all the necessary information in Inducks:
>
> D 2000-022 10 SPt CFe ? MM [desc:a Mickey ghost on the paddle
> steamer] [xapp:MM]
> | [pubdate:2002-10-14] [xref:QMS 1928-019(sequel)] [code:D
> | 2000-022(fi)]
(...)
> The French issue has not been indexed yet, though.
At least, I'm not able to check Inducks... I looked for the whole list of
stories by Ferioli, but I didn't find that one...
Ciao,
Luca
> You'll find all the necessary information in Inducks:
>
> D 2000-022 10 SPt CFe ? MM [desc:a Mickey ghost on the paddle
> steamer] [xapp:MM]
> | [pubdate:2002-10-14] [xref:QMS 1928-019(sequel)] [code:D
> | 2000-022(fi)]
(...)
> The French issue has not been indexed yet, though.
At least, I'm not able to check Inducks... I looked for the whole list of
stories by Ferioli, but I didn't find that one...
Ciao,
Luca
Stefan Persson
A Mickey's story
Message 3 -
2003-04-01 at 00:47:47
Luca Boschi wrote:
>At least, I'm not able to check Inducks... I looked for the whole list of
>stories by Ferioli, but I didn't find that one...
>
>
Couldn't find the story or the list of all stories?
In any case:
* Go to http://coa.duckburg.dk/.
* Fill in the creator field as "Ferioli", hit search and COA will return
a list of all Ferioli stories indexed in Inducks.
- OR -
* Fill in the code field as "D 2000-022", hit search and COA will return
all known information about this story.
Stefan
>At least, I'm not able to check Inducks... I looked for the whole list of
>stories by Ferioli, but I didn't find that one...
>
>
Couldn't find the story or the list of all stories?
In any case:
* Go to http://coa.duckburg.dk/.
* Fill in the creator field as "Ferioli", hit search and COA will return
a list of all Ferioli stories indexed in Inducks.
- OR -
* Fill in the code field as "D 2000-022", hit search and COA will return
all known information about this story.
Stefan
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
The 313 day
Message 4 -
2003-04-01 at 01:03:35
timo ronkainen <timoro at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Today we had 313 -day! (31st of march)
This is correct, at least for us Europeans. For the Americans though March
13 is the 313 day, because they, for some odd reason, put the month before
the date. That's why they keep calling September 11th for 911 - when 911 for
us will be another historic date (at least for us Europeans) November 9th.
Important events on that date:
1918 - The abdication of German emperor Willhelm II
1923 - Hitler's unsuccessful coup d'etat
1938 - The crystal night
1989 - The fall of the Berlin wall
So Timo, with your stunt you have touched one of the differences making many
Europeans feel that Americans live in another world as them selves.
Sigvald :-)
> Today we had 313 -day! (31st of march)
This is correct, at least for us Europeans. For the Americans though March
13 is the 313 day, because they, for some odd reason, put the month before
the date. That's why they keep calling September 11th for 911 - when 911 for
us will be another historic date (at least for us Europeans) November 9th.
Important events on that date:
1918 - The abdication of German emperor Willhelm II
1923 - Hitler's unsuccessful coup d'etat
1938 - The crystal night
1989 - The fall of the Berlin wall
So Timo, with your stunt you have touched one of the differences making many
Europeans feel that Americans live in another world as them selves.
Sigvald :-)
Fabio Blanco
The 313 day
Message 5 -
2003-04-01 at 01:25:27
>. That's why they keep calling September 11th for 911 - when 911 for
> us will be another historic date (at least for us Europeans) November 9th.
> Important events on that date:
> 1918 - The abdication of German emperor Willhelm II
> 1923 - Hitler's unsuccessful coup d'etat
> 1938 - The crystal night
> 1989 - The fall of the Berlin wall
and what surpraise you have think for 2003 ? :-)
Fabio
> us will be another historic date (at least for us Europeans) November 9th.
> Important events on that date:
> 1918 - The abdication of German emperor Willhelm II
> 1923 - Hitler's unsuccessful coup d'etat
> 1938 - The crystal night
> 1989 - The fall of the Berlin wall
and what surpraise you have think for 2003 ? :-)
Fabio
Linwood
Continuing Gladstone Subscriptions under Gemstone
Message 6 -
2003-04-01 at 04:44:38
Many of us had incomplete subscriptions to the Gladstone Disney comics
which we have been assured would be honored now that Gemstone has been
able to resume publication. However, some of us have moved in the past
three-and-a-half years. Wondering how they would find us, I e-mailed an
inquiry to Gemstone. I received a prompt response from Melissa Bowersox
of Gemstone Publishing. She informed me that I should send my old and
new addresses to djamie at gemstonepub.com, advising her that I was a past
subscriber with issues remaining. I thought others on the mailing list
might appreciate knowing this.
Melissa also advises that outstanding subscriptions will not be resumed
until September at the earliest, so we will have to purchase the first
few issues on our own.
Linwood Kemp
which we have been assured would be honored now that Gemstone has been
able to resume publication. However, some of us have moved in the past
three-and-a-half years. Wondering how they would find us, I e-mailed an
inquiry to Gemstone. I received a prompt response from Melissa Bowersox
of Gemstone Publishing. She informed me that I should send my old and
new addresses to djamie at gemstonepub.com, advising her that I was a past
subscriber with issues remaining. I thought others on the mailing list
might appreciate knowing this.
Melissa also advises that outstanding subscriptions will not be resumed
until September at the earliest, so we will have to purchase the first
few issues on our own.
Linwood Kemp
Timo Ronkainen
The 313 day
Message 7 -
2003-04-01 at 09:36:08
>So Timo, with your stunt you have touched one of the differences making
>many
>Europeans feel that Americans live in another world as them selves.
Jeah. Then there is different set of measuring units, ounzes, miles....
their novel is our roman... ;-) But there are differences between European
countries too.
Well, in the end it's only dates, numbers and stuff. I wasn't thinking
clearly enough. I of course knew the "other-way-around" system of date
entry, but didn't expect my little notion to get noticed this big. :-)
Timo
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>many
>Europeans feel that Americans live in another world as them selves.
Jeah. Then there is different set of measuring units, ounzes, miles....
their novel is our roman... ;-) But there are differences between European
countries too.
Well, in the end it's only dates, numbers and stuff. I wasn't thinking
clearly enough. I of course knew the "other-way-around" system of date
entry, but didn't expect my little notion to get noticed this big. :-)
Timo
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Message 8 -
2003-04-01 at 09:55:39
> From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>
> Subject: Re: Fulton
(As to whether the character in panel 1 & 2 of page 8 of "WHADDALOTTAJARGON"
was Gyro's father...)
> I don't think; could be, though; maybe he wasn't but now we have
> seen Fulton we can consider him to
> be Fulton. Only one person cansay for sure: the author.
> However, I guess if Don Rosa had meant him to be Fulton, he
> would have inserted his name somewhere.
No, not even the author can say for sure. I might have meant that to be
Fulton, whom I had already shown to be one of the original 3 Junior
Woodchucks of 1902 (in my "Lo$"), so while penciling I might have just
decided to add him as an appropriate member of the Woodchuck Senior Council.
And I would not necessarily have put a nameplate in front of him since I try
my best to never use background signage in my comics whenever I can avoid it
(due to the good chance that I will again be embarrassed by the signs or
nameplates being left BLANK by careless publishers!).
So... okay, let's say that's Fulton. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
> Subject: Re: Fulton
(As to whether the character in panel 1 & 2 of page 8 of "WHADDALOTTAJARGON"
was Gyro's father...)
> I don't think; could be, though; maybe he wasn't but now we have
> seen Fulton we can consider him to
> be Fulton. Only one person cansay for sure: the author.
> However, I guess if Don Rosa had meant him to be Fulton, he
> would have inserted his name somewhere.
No, not even the author can say for sure. I might have meant that to be
Fulton, whom I had already shown to be one of the original 3 Junior
Woodchucks of 1902 (in my "Lo$"), so while penciling I might have just
decided to add him as an appropriate member of the Woodchuck Senior Council.
And I would not necessarily have put a nameplate in front of him since I try
my best to never use background signage in my comics whenever I can avoid it
(due to the good chance that I will again be embarrassed by the signs or
nameplates being left BLANK by careless publishers!).
So... okay, let's say that's Fulton. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
Ola Martinsson
Teaming of Mickey and Goofy
Message 9 -
2003-04-01 at 11:30:53
In the daily Gottfredson strip Mickey and Goofy only were a team on 8
stories in the 30:ies and 4 in the 40:ies. I only count longer
adventure stories. Then they teamed up again in some stories in the
50:ies. In most of the daily strip adventure stories Mickey were alone
or with Eega Beeva.
Ola in a cloudy Stockholm 0 degrees and spring has gone away
stories in the 30:ies and 4 in the 40:ies. I only count longer
adventure stories. Then they teamed up again in some stories in the
50:ies. In most of the daily strip adventure stories Mickey were alone
or with Eega Beeva.
Ola in a cloudy Stockholm 0 degrees and spring has gone away
Lars Jensen
Grandma's aunt Klazien
Message 10 -
2003-04-01 at 11:41:57
Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote:
> > Grandma's aunt was Klazien. She
> > searched, when she was young, a job and finally
> > came by the farm of the family Trouwhart
> > (Goodheart).
[snip]
>
> IMO this looks like fiction.
>
> Let's instead look at the present known facts:
> Grandma Duck is a Coot. Her family came to Duckburg in 1818. She's
> born in Duckburg. So however she ended up in her farm, she didn't have
> to travel far to get there.
>
> When i did my WEB-page about Grandma's husband Humperdink Duck
> C:\Duckman\characters\humperd.html
> I asked Don Rosa about this. He then said that it was Grandma Duck's
> family, the Coots, who owned the farm before Humperdink and Grandma
> took over -as the Coots owned most of the farmlands around Duckburg
> before Scrooge's appearance in 1902.
(Sigh!)
I almost can't be bothered to reply to this posting, but...
Sigvald, you're right that the Klazien story sounds like fiction. That's
because it *is* fiction. Just like every other Duck story ever made.
The "facts" you mention are not hard facts. It is a fact that, say, Bill
Clinton is a former president of the US. It is *not* necessarily a fact
that Grandma Duck is a Coot. In fact, the only place where the latter
could possibly *be* a fact is in those stories where it doesn't
contradict the goings-on. If Grandma being a Coot doesn't fit with the
Klazien happenings, then obviously Grandma is *not* a Coot in that
story.
As I've told you before: An opinion, however well-informed, is not a
fact. It's an opinion.
Lars
> > Grandma's aunt was Klazien. She
> > searched, when she was young, a job and finally
> > came by the farm of the family Trouwhart
> > (Goodheart).
[snip]
>
> IMO this looks like fiction.
>
> Let's instead look at the present known facts:
> Grandma Duck is a Coot. Her family came to Duckburg in 1818. She's
> born in Duckburg. So however she ended up in her farm, she didn't have
> to travel far to get there.
>
> When i did my WEB-page about Grandma's husband Humperdink Duck
> C:\Duckman\characters\humperd.html
> I asked Don Rosa about this. He then said that it was Grandma Duck's
> family, the Coots, who owned the farm before Humperdink and Grandma
> took over -as the Coots owned most of the farmlands around Duckburg
> before Scrooge's appearance in 1902.
(Sigh!)
I almost can't be bothered to reply to this posting, but...
Sigvald, you're right that the Klazien story sounds like fiction. That's
because it *is* fiction. Just like every other Duck story ever made.
The "facts" you mention are not hard facts. It is a fact that, say, Bill
Clinton is a former president of the US. It is *not* necessarily a fact
that Grandma Duck is a Coot. In fact, the only place where the latter
could possibly *be* a fact is in those stories where it doesn't
contradict the goings-on. If Grandma being a Coot doesn't fit with the
Klazien happenings, then obviously Grandma is *not* a Coot in that
story.
As I've told you before: An opinion, however well-informed, is not a
fact. It's an opinion.
Lars
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Teaming of Mickey and Goofy
Message 11 -
2003-04-01 at 12:06:51
FRANK (and others):
>In short: Horace's star was already fading in the cartoons of the time, so
>he wasn't the ideal companion for Mickey anymore, and Donald had to be
>cancelled for business reasons. The only remaining option was Goofy. It
>wasn't a natural teaming, but I'm sure Gottfredson and his collaborators
>noticed very soon that they were on the right track.
And this sounds about right to me.
When Mickey and Goofy first appear as a duo in the comics ("The
Crazy Crime Wave", "The Sacred Jewel"), many mechanisms of the later
relationship fall almost instantly into place. So it's interesting that the
duo structure takes so long to become a fixture after that.
For me, the two stories that crystallize it are "Island in the Sky"
and "In Search of Jungle Treasure".
In the former, Goofy opens the story by suggesting he and Mickey go
into partnership: the first time, I think, that such initiative was
displayed. Then, in the immediately following "Jungle Treasure", Mickey and
Minnie get ready to go on a treasure hunt. "I'll just round up Goofy," says
Mickey as though it were second nature- and this is first we've heard of
Goofy in this story.
However, as Byron Erickson reminds us Egmonters, Mickey and Goofy
might be best friends in Gottfredson, but even so they are never "joined at
the hip". Goofy and Mickey are often a team, for instance, in the "Bar None
Ranch" story (1940), but they have plenty of solo bits of business, too,
enabling them to grow as characters on their own.
In the 1940s stories of Gottfredson, Mickey is a solo star more
often then he is paired with Goofy, though the pairing does occur. Romano
Scarpa followed on this tradition in the 1950s.
IMHO, the tradition of Mickey and Goofy as an *unbreakable* pair,
*always* together, really starts in the late 1940s and early 1950s at
*Western Publishing*. Why?
Because Western had two fundamental funny animal plot types at the
time: the "Donald Duck" (put-upon lead accompanied by smart kids, bossy
girlfriend, and nasty neighbor) and the "Andy Panda" (straight man hero with
a wacky sidekick, most typically fighting crime). Fitting Mickey and Goofy
into formula two made them easy to write for. So they ran with it.
Many of Western's Mickey stories are interesting as plots, but in
terms of characterizations, they could have substituted others for Mickey
and Goofy. (Of course, there were exceptions. But I'm speaking generally,
here...)
For me, the excellence of particularly Gottfredson's and Scarpa's
Mickey and Goofy (and Horace, and Minnie, and others) is that the behavior
in the stories is that of unique human beings, for whom other characters
simply cannot be easily substituted.
Barks' Duck stories of course use the Donald Duck formula, as they
star (surprise!) Donald Duck. But the genius of them is that the characters
are human and unique, and the stories far from formulaic. The best Mickey
stories follow, IMHO, the same path.
David
>In short: Horace's star was already fading in the cartoons of the time, so
>he wasn't the ideal companion for Mickey anymore, and Donald had to be
>cancelled for business reasons. The only remaining option was Goofy. It
>wasn't a natural teaming, but I'm sure Gottfredson and his collaborators
>noticed very soon that they were on the right track.
And this sounds about right to me.
When Mickey and Goofy first appear as a duo in the comics ("The
Crazy Crime Wave", "The Sacred Jewel"), many mechanisms of the later
relationship fall almost instantly into place. So it's interesting that the
duo structure takes so long to become a fixture after that.
For me, the two stories that crystallize it are "Island in the Sky"
and "In Search of Jungle Treasure".
In the former, Goofy opens the story by suggesting he and Mickey go
into partnership: the first time, I think, that such initiative was
displayed. Then, in the immediately following "Jungle Treasure", Mickey and
Minnie get ready to go on a treasure hunt. "I'll just round up Goofy," says
Mickey as though it were second nature- and this is first we've heard of
Goofy in this story.
However, as Byron Erickson reminds us Egmonters, Mickey and Goofy
might be best friends in Gottfredson, but even so they are never "joined at
the hip". Goofy and Mickey are often a team, for instance, in the "Bar None
Ranch" story (1940), but they have plenty of solo bits of business, too,
enabling them to grow as characters on their own.
In the 1940s stories of Gottfredson, Mickey is a solo star more
often then he is paired with Goofy, though the pairing does occur. Romano
Scarpa followed on this tradition in the 1950s.
IMHO, the tradition of Mickey and Goofy as an *unbreakable* pair,
*always* together, really starts in the late 1940s and early 1950s at
*Western Publishing*. Why?
Because Western had two fundamental funny animal plot types at the
time: the "Donald Duck" (put-upon lead accompanied by smart kids, bossy
girlfriend, and nasty neighbor) and the "Andy Panda" (straight man hero with
a wacky sidekick, most typically fighting crime). Fitting Mickey and Goofy
into formula two made them easy to write for. So they ran with it.
Many of Western's Mickey stories are interesting as plots, but in
terms of characterizations, they could have substituted others for Mickey
and Goofy. (Of course, there were exceptions. But I'm speaking generally,
here...)
For me, the excellence of particularly Gottfredson's and Scarpa's
Mickey and Goofy (and Horace, and Minnie, and others) is that the behavior
in the stories is that of unique human beings, for whom other characters
simply cannot be easily substituted.
Barks' Duck stories of course use the Donald Duck formula, as they
star (surprise!) Donald Duck. But the genius of them is that the characters
are human and unique, and the stories far from formulaic. The best Mickey
stories follow, IMHO, the same path.
David
Tryg Helseth
The 313 day
Message 12 -
2003-04-01 at 15:46:45
Sigvald wrote:
>Timo wrote:
>
>> Today we had 313 -day! (31st of march)
>
>This is correct, at least for us Europeans. For the Americans though March
>13 is the 313 day, because they, for some odd reason, put the month before
>the date.
It is also my birthday, but living in the States I always read it as 331 and totally missed the connection. Thanks for the tip off!
Also this being an '03 year there are a couple other 313's worth noting, if someone hasn't already.
1. 3 January 3 = 313 for you Europeans.
2. March 1, 3 = 313 for us Statesiders.
Tryg
---
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>Timo wrote:
>
>> Today we had 313 -day! (31st of march)
>
>This is correct, at least for us Europeans. For the Americans though March
>13 is the 313 day, because they, for some odd reason, put the month before
>the date.
It is also my birthday, but living in the States I always read it as 331 and totally missed the connection. Thanks for the tip off!
Also this being an '03 year there are a couple other 313's worth noting, if someone hasn't already.
1. 3 January 3 = 313 for you Europeans.
2. March 1, 3 = 313 for us Statesiders.
Tryg
---
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FRANCISCO NIXEXÉ
Looking for
Message 13 -
2003-04-01 at 15:57:52
I'm looking for a history in a comic, this history is about
a party and daisy wearing a dress that she said it is look
like a grape ice cream.
Anybofy here knows something about this history ?
Thank you all
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a party and daisy wearing a dress that she said it is look
like a grape ice cream.
Anybofy here knows something about this history ?
Thank you all
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Gilles: Grandma's aunt Klazien
Message 14 -
2003-04-01 at 18:53:50
Hi y'all and especially Gilles,
Yes, DD2002-36 is the right issue. The contents match my
recollections of it. I'm sorry that I provided wrong
information concerning the relationship of the characters
and I'm glad Bernard's been able to supply the right data.
[Mr. Trouwhart is the original owner of Grandma's farm.
Klazien marries Trouwhart's son Bertus. Bertus disappears.
Grandma inherits the farm.]
I think this story implies that Grandma wouldn't have got
the farm if her aunt Klazien hadn't married Bertus
Trouwhart, right? So Klazien must be either the sister of
Clinton Coot or Gertrude Gadwall, Grandma's parents.
If Klazien'd been a Coot, the farm would still have come
from the Coot-side of the family.
If, instead, one takes Bertus as the brother of Gertrude,
Klazien could still be Grandma's aunt and Grandma would
still be able to claim in Lo$ 10 that the farm belonged to
her grandfather (being Mr. Trouwhart, not Cornelius Coot).
Perhaps Gertrude was already married to Clinton Coot,
which explains why she didn't live with her parents
anymore, which might be why she doesn't appear in this
story.
[Moreover, this solution would provide the Dutch Gertrude
(Petronella) with a maiden name (Trouwhart) which lacks in
the Dutch version of Rosa's Family Tree.]
I think Bernard's 'Goodheart' is a good translation for
'Trouwhart', but 'Trueheart' is still a bit more true to
the 'original' version. (Of which I'm not sure: this is
this story's first publication, but the original script
was probably not written in Dutch.)
[But you won't need 'Trueheart' if you decide Trouwhart to
be the father of Gertrude Gadwall.]
I agree with Sigvald that this story's a bit hard to fit
into Don Rosa's Coot-farm-construction, but that's imho no
reason to dismiss it as utter nonsense.
Michiel Prior.
Yes, DD2002-36 is the right issue. The contents match my
recollections of it. I'm sorry that I provided wrong
information concerning the relationship of the characters
and I'm glad Bernard's been able to supply the right data.
[Mr. Trouwhart is the original owner of Grandma's farm.
Klazien marries Trouwhart's son Bertus. Bertus disappears.
Grandma inherits the farm.]
I think this story implies that Grandma wouldn't have got
the farm if her aunt Klazien hadn't married Bertus
Trouwhart, right? So Klazien must be either the sister of
Clinton Coot or Gertrude Gadwall, Grandma's parents.
If Klazien'd been a Coot, the farm would still have come
from the Coot-side of the family.
If, instead, one takes Bertus as the brother of Gertrude,
Klazien could still be Grandma's aunt and Grandma would
still be able to claim in Lo$ 10 that the farm belonged to
her grandfather (being Mr. Trouwhart, not Cornelius Coot).
Perhaps Gertrude was already married to Clinton Coot,
which explains why she didn't live with her parents
anymore, which might be why she doesn't appear in this
story.
[Moreover, this solution would provide the Dutch Gertrude
(Petronella) with a maiden name (Trouwhart) which lacks in
the Dutch version of Rosa's Family Tree.]
I think Bernard's 'Goodheart' is a good translation for
'Trouwhart', but 'Trueheart' is still a bit more true to
the 'original' version. (Of which I'm not sure: this is
this story's first publication, but the original script
was probably not written in Dutch.)
[But you won't need 'Trueheart' if you decide Trouwhart to
be the father of Gertrude Gadwall.]
I agree with Sigvald that this story's a bit hard to fit
into Don Rosa's Coot-farm-construction, but that's imho no
reason to dismiss it as utter nonsense.
Michiel Prior.
Lars O Bengtsson
The 313 day (Fabio Blanco)
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2003-04-01 at 23:27:46
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