Hi!
I just read the second part of this very entertaining space varmints story
and I have to admid that I had to read it twice and very slowly to get most
of the kentucky language (which can really be an challange for the standart
european reader ;-)
I an already curious which dialect they are goig to use for the german
version, since the publisher here already translated several Asterix
stories in many different german dialects. And with most of these I have
nearly the same problems reading like with the kentucky dialect ;-)
Could someone please give me a hint about the words Donald is using in the
second part of the story on page 5 : "klaatu Barada Nikto?"...I have a
slight sensation of deja vue when I am reading it, but I cannot get a hold
on it!
And is this intentional that Donals hand just looks as if he does a Vulcan
greeting?
Mike
Author
Topic: 199707
(281 messages)
Mike Schneiderath
Hideous Space Varmints
Message 121 -
1997-07-12 at 22:22:12
Wilmer Rivers
Hideous Space Varmints
Message 122 -
1997-07-13 at 01:21:41
Mike Schneiderath writes:
> I have to admid that I had to read it twice and very slowly to get
> most of the kentucky language (which can really be an challange for
> the standart european reader ;-)
This is the point we were discussing about how hard it must be to
translate Walt Kelley's "Pogo". Actually, the hillbilly dialect is
the same as was used in Al Capp's popular "'Lil Abner" comic strip;
were European equivalents found into which that strip could be
translated successfully?
Incidentally, there are some scholars who claim that this hillbilly
accent is the closest modern-day speech to what "classical" English
may have sounded like!!! They base this claim on the fact that the
hillbillies' ancestors came to America in the 17th century and moved
to the backwoods, where they have had very little contact with the
"outside world". They have thus preserved their original accent,
while the English spoken in the rest of the world has changed by being
"corrupted" through the mixing of various accents from groups of
people with different dialects who did communicate with one another
and whose speech then become more nearly blended together over time.
This sounds far-fetched to me, but then who really knows for certain.
> Could someone please give me a hint about the words Donald is using
> in the second part of the story on page 5 : "klaatu Barada Nikto?"
This little exchange between Patricia Neal and Gort the Robot in "The
Day the Earth Stood Still" has, for some reason, taken on a life of
its own. It was a message that she delivered to the robot telling
him that his owner, an alien named "Klaatu", says to stay calm and
not start destroying things. Somehow this little burst of extra-
terrestrial language has fascinated movie audiences for decades, and
it keeps cropping up in other movies and stories. For one of the
funniest instances, see the horror/comedy "The Evil Dead, Part 3".
And now for some "scientific" dialect. The Ducks aren't being quite
accurate on the first page, when they keep referring to the rocks
found in Antarctica as "meteors". Strictly speaking, these are
"meteorites". A "meteor" is something that falls through the sky,
making a blazing trail as atmospheric friction burns away at it.
Usually these "shooting stars" are just pebbles or grains of sand,
and they disintegrate before they hit the earth. If they are large
enough rocks that something is still left to hit the earth without
burning up, then that rock which is found on the earth is called a
"meteorite". So a "meteor" is the blazing streak the object makes
as it falls through the atmosphere, and a "meteorite" is the remnant
rock (if any) which hits the earth. The distinction is seldom made
in popular speechm though; in Gladstone Comics' home state of Arizona
there's a huge hole in the ground (Barringer Crater) which was dug
out by the impact of a meteorite thousands of years ago. However,
the feature is known everywhere as "Meteor Crater", not "Meteorite
Crater", so the Ducks were just making a very common mistake in their
terminology.
Wilmer Rivers
> I have to admid that I had to read it twice and very slowly to get
> most of the kentucky language (which can really be an challange for
> the standart european reader ;-)
This is the point we were discussing about how hard it must be to
translate Walt Kelley's "Pogo". Actually, the hillbilly dialect is
the same as was used in Al Capp's popular "'Lil Abner" comic strip;
were European equivalents found into which that strip could be
translated successfully?
Incidentally, there are some scholars who claim that this hillbilly
accent is the closest modern-day speech to what "classical" English
may have sounded like!!! They base this claim on the fact that the
hillbillies' ancestors came to America in the 17th century and moved
to the backwoods, where they have had very little contact with the
"outside world". They have thus preserved their original accent,
while the English spoken in the rest of the world has changed by being
"corrupted" through the mixing of various accents from groups of
people with different dialects who did communicate with one another
and whose speech then become more nearly blended together over time.
This sounds far-fetched to me, but then who really knows for certain.
> Could someone please give me a hint about the words Donald is using
> in the second part of the story on page 5 : "klaatu Barada Nikto?"
This little exchange between Patricia Neal and Gort the Robot in "The
Day the Earth Stood Still" has, for some reason, taken on a life of
its own. It was a message that she delivered to the robot telling
him that his owner, an alien named "Klaatu", says to stay calm and
not start destroying things. Somehow this little burst of extra-
terrestrial language has fascinated movie audiences for decades, and
it keeps cropping up in other movies and stories. For one of the
funniest instances, see the horror/comedy "The Evil Dead, Part 3".
And now for some "scientific" dialect. The Ducks aren't being quite
accurate on the first page, when they keep referring to the rocks
found in Antarctica as "meteors". Strictly speaking, these are
"meteorites". A "meteor" is something that falls through the sky,
making a blazing trail as atmospheric friction burns away at it.
Usually these "shooting stars" are just pebbles or grains of sand,
and they disintegrate before they hit the earth. If they are large
enough rocks that something is still left to hit the earth without
burning up, then that rock which is found on the earth is called a
"meteorite". So a "meteor" is the blazing streak the object makes
as it falls through the atmosphere, and a "meteorite" is the remnant
rock (if any) which hits the earth. The distinction is seldom made
in popular speechm though; in Gladstone Comics' home state of Arizona
there's a huge hole in the ground (Barringer Crater) which was dug
out by the impact of a meteorite thousands of years ago. However,
the feature is known everywhere as "Meteor Crater", not "Meteorite
Crater", so the Ducks were just making a very common mistake in their
terminology.
Wilmer Rivers
Laurent Lehmann
Picsou 305-306
Message 123 -
1997-07-13 at 02:29:33
In last month's Picsou (#305), we finally got Don's "Vigilante From Pizen
Bluff". It's been heavily commented upon when it was published in the
Egmont countries, so I'll just say this was a fine & fun story, and leave
it at that.
Picsou's main feature usually alternates between Rosa and Barks stories,
so I was quite surprised to see another Don story in this month's issue
(#306). "The Lost Charts Of Columbus" is a nice follow-up to GOTLL. I
especially liked to see Donald & the Woodchucks travelling all around the
world, without $crooge. What's more, they weren't hunting for a new
treasure, just doing what was right : saving the American democracy !
The three other stories in this issue were all by Barks, and I'd never
read two of them, making this issue all the more enjoyable !
ARCHONTIS:
I still don't know what my favorite Don story is : I haven't
read 'em all yet, and each time I read a new one, it seems to be my
favorite... Am I *that* easy to please ?
Laurent
__
"I heard about how you two stood there, laughing over
some private joke. Tell me... was it me ? "
- Barbara Gordon, Oracle, in Batman Chronicles #5,
written by John Ostrander & Kim Yale
Bluff". It's been heavily commented upon when it was published in the
Egmont countries, so I'll just say this was a fine & fun story, and leave
it at that.
Picsou's main feature usually alternates between Rosa and Barks stories,
so I was quite surprised to see another Don story in this month's issue
(#306). "The Lost Charts Of Columbus" is a nice follow-up to GOTLL. I
especially liked to see Donald & the Woodchucks travelling all around the
world, without $crooge. What's more, they weren't hunting for a new
treasure, just doing what was right : saving the American democracy !
The three other stories in this issue were all by Barks, and I'd never
read two of them, making this issue all the more enjoyable !
ARCHONTIS:
I still don't know what my favorite Don story is : I haven't
read 'em all yet, and each time I read a new one, it seems to be my
favorite... Am I *that* easy to please ?
Laurent
__
"I heard about how you two stood there, laughing over
some private joke. Tell me... was it me ? "
- Barbara Gordon, Oracle, in Batman Chronicles #5,
written by John Ostrander & Kim Yale
JALustig
Hi! I'm back!
Message 124 -
1997-07-13 at 09:22:00
Hi, everybody! I just thought I'd let you folks know that I'm back on the
mailing list after a long, long break. Actually I've been back for a little
while now. I meant to slip out of lurk-mode before this but somehow I never
got around to it. With the San Diego Con coming up and a chance to get
together with folks, I thought it was time to de-lurk.
For those of you who don't know, I'm an American and I write for
Egmont--mostly doing the ducks. I've been writing Disney comics for about 10
years and started back with Gladstone towards the end of its first run.
By the way, Augie, thanks for the kind words in a recent letter page to
Gladstone. Believe me, it's appreciated.
---John Lustig
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #144
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mailing list after a long, long break. Actually I've been back for a little
while now. I meant to slip out of lurk-mode before this but somehow I never
got around to it. With the San Diego Con coming up and a chance to get
together with folks, I thought it was time to de-lurk.
For those of you who don't know, I'm an American and I write for
Egmont--mostly doing the ducks. I've been writing Disney comics for about 10
years and started back with Gladstone towards the end of its first run.
By the way, Augie, thanks for the kind words in a recent letter page to
Gladstone. Believe me, it's appreciated.
---John Lustig
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #144
******************************************
Leonardo Gori
PHOTO TAKEN AT ROME
Message 125 -
1997-07-13 at 11:29:13
MARCO WROTE:
>LEONARDO:
>
>> Very nice, with a beautiful
>>photo of a big group
>[...]
>>If anyone is interested, the group photo taken at Roma ("Expocartoon") with
>>Don Rosa, Fabio Gadducci, Lidia Cannatella and many others is on my web page
>
>How come nobody credits the person who **took** the photo? :-(
Hey!! WHO took the photo!? **you** !? I don't remember, because I was
...hum... so "tired" that day. I remember only Luca who said me: "Hey,
Leonardo, came on, they are shooting a big photo!"
Please tell me **who** took the photo, so I can, at least, write a line on
my web page!
Hi at all!
Leonardo Gori
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
http://www.agora.stm.it/L.Gori/home.htm
>LEONARDO:
>
>> Very nice, with a beautiful
>>photo of a big group
>[...]
>>If anyone is interested, the group photo taken at Roma ("Expocartoon") with
>>Don Rosa, Fabio Gadducci, Lidia Cannatella and many others is on my web page
>
>How come nobody credits the person who **took** the photo? :-(
Hey!! WHO took the photo!? **you** !? I don't remember, because I was
...hum... so "tired" that day. I remember only Luca who said me: "Hey,
Leonardo, came on, they are shooting a big photo!"
Please tell me **who** took the photo, so I can, at least, write a line on
my web page!
Hi at all!
Leonardo Gori
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
http://www.agora.stm.it/L.Gori/home.htm
Leonardo Gori
Our group on "Zio Paperone"
Message 126 -
1997-07-13 at 13:29:45
Hi, all!
Luca Boschi just said me about an article of Lidia Cannatella on "Zio
Paperone" no. 94, about Don Rosa at Rome ("Expocartoon"). I kept
immediately a copy at the nearest newstand! Very nice, with a beautiful
photo of a big group: they are Don, Fabio, Frank, G.B.Carpi, Lidia herself,
Carlo Chendi, Alberto Becattini, me and many others. The article is all in
full color, with a marvelous Uncle $crooge drawn by Don for Lidia.
All the best!
Leonardo Gori
Leonardo Gori
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
http://www.agora.stm.it/L.Gori/home.htm
Luca Boschi just said me about an article of Lidia Cannatella on "Zio
Paperone" no. 94, about Don Rosa at Rome ("Expocartoon"). I kept
immediately a copy at the nearest newstand! Very nice, with a beautiful
photo of a big group: they are Don, Fabio, Frank, G.B.Carpi, Lidia herself,
Carlo Chendi, Alberto Becattini, me and many others. The article is all in
full color, with a marvelous Uncle $crooge drawn by Don for Lidia.
All the best!
Leonardo Gori
Leonardo Gori
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
http://www.agora.stm.it/L.Gori/home.htm
Rob Gibson
Comico
Message 127 -
1997-07-13 at 19:56:31
Thank you, Torsten, for the invitation. Barring Jury Duty, I will be
there. You mention being at both the Comicon and the Comic Book Expo. I
thought it was all one event.
I'll be bringing a couple boxes of golden and silver age comics just in
case someone needs something or someone wants to trade for something.
"Be prepared" - Boy Scout Motto
Rob Gibson
there. You mention being at both the Comicon and the Comic Book Expo. I
thought it was all one event.
I'll be bringing a couple boxes of golden and silver age comics just in
case someone needs something or someone wants to trade for something.
"Be prepared" - Boy Scout Motto
Rob Gibson
Mikko Pohjola
Off-topic and proud of it.
Message 128 -
1997-07-13 at 22:42:13
GARY:
> It seems to me certain parties need to wake up and smell the coffee.
> Disney, for expecting Gladstone to be able to reach any kind of 1990's
> audience by holding us to 1950's sensibilities, Gladstone, for adhering too
> timidly to same, and, most critically, you, our readers, for giving Disney
> the impression that you don't watch anything more unseemly on TV than
> reruns of Leave It To Beaver.
Hmm... Who is the right person to complain about such idiot
policies? The readers? The artists? The editors(-in-chief)?
DON: (who was discussing my "A Little Something Special" story when he
said the following ... which you shouldn't read if you have yet to read the
story itself):
> I guess I simply forgot to include the stripes so the colorist had nothing
> to color. If this is the biggest error I make in a story... in fact, if
> this is the biggest error I make on an average page, I'll be happy!
Not so fast, Don! You've also drawn Flintheart's bill wrong (he
should have a Gladstone Gander/Clinton Coot kinda bill) and that, I dare
say, is a bigger mistake. And you make it through the story. (unless you
suddenly can come up with something about your own view of the duck
universe or how he's just testing Magica's transformation wand...)
> And who says that it takes more magic powder to transport 8 people than
> 1? Are you a sorcerer? Where's your license?
That's common knowledge, you old coot! Everybody who knows
anything about enchantments knows that. You see, all magical transporting
powders basically function the same way - they make a thaumal code of the
object's DNA and it's physical (possibly mental as well) data and pack it
into a few thaums. Together with a few sample molecules typical to the
object (not including water, oxygen etc. available in the heading of the
transportment) it's all sent to the heading location with the speed of
magic (= the speed a thaum goes = ca. 450 000 km/sec).
The more atoms and thaums the packet carries the more magical
energy it takes to accelerate it to the speed of magic - if the speed is
slower some of the thaums may split, although it's possible to wiggle
around that part. Also the further away the transport is made the more
magical energy it takes to go there because keeping up that speed is very
magic-consuming. To transport something e.g. to space is very hard because
none of the 'standard' molecules are not found there. To transport only
the thaumal code is relatively easy and is called necromancy.
A specific amount of transportation powder can contain a certain
amount of magical energy which is liberated by the will of the user. If
it's not magically sealed it also causes an explosion as not all of the
powder's energy can be channelled to the transportation. The only
thaumaturgically correct explanation I can think of is that Magica used
too much powder the first time and thus the extra energy meant greater
explosion. Also she used it indoors, so the pressure was too high when the
thaumal energy couldn't escape to the sky. And the next time she either
concentrated more and had the Beagles all around her. Yeah, that's
probably it.
My sorceror's license? I just transported it to replace the paper
with the drawings that's on your working desk right now. See? I'm gonna
transport it back soon because I'll need it in a meeting tomorrow.
> Yes, it was stated by $crooge in some old story that he built all the
> sewers under Duckburg, and that tale showed him expertly running through
> them. (Forgive me if I don't name the story off-hand.)
A Barks story?
> I am very casual about where I place that statue. But I figure all the
> biggest ones were torn down as menaces to aviation, and there's only that
> one semi-giant one left. It looks nice in backgrounds. At LEAST you'll
But the first time you show it (not mentioning the cover which
obviously has it in a fictitious place to make a better cover) it seems
toe be on the wrong side of the Money Bin. Page 2, panel 3. It's on the
left of the Bin while all the other time it's on the right.
> The entire plot revolves around it being the 50th anniversary of $crooge
> arriving in Duckburg, right? Then it also means it's been 50 years since he
> left the Klondike to go to Duckburg, right? Isn't that obvious? He left the
I thought that after Scrooge left Klondike he went on opening
factories and making money for a few years, then went to Scotland to
settle there, and only after all that he went to Duckburg for the first
time!
> No, please... (sob)... let me tend to the upkeep of my home and the rearing
> of my children, I beseech you!
I'm sorry, Mister Rosa. I've been hired by a colleague who your
loss of time would become his profit. Mister Van H... uh, let us call him
"Mister Bill" pays me really well to talk nonsence to you and most other
people on the list.
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
> It seems to me certain parties need to wake up and smell the coffee.
> Disney, for expecting Gladstone to be able to reach any kind of 1990's
> audience by holding us to 1950's sensibilities, Gladstone, for adhering too
> timidly to same, and, most critically, you, our readers, for giving Disney
> the impression that you don't watch anything more unseemly on TV than
> reruns of Leave It To Beaver.
Hmm... Who is the right person to complain about such idiot
policies? The readers? The artists? The editors(-in-chief)?
DON: (who was discussing my "A Little Something Special" story when he
said the following ... which you shouldn't read if you have yet to read the
story itself):
> I guess I simply forgot to include the stripes so the colorist had nothing
> to color. If this is the biggest error I make in a story... in fact, if
> this is the biggest error I make on an average page, I'll be happy!
Not so fast, Don! You've also drawn Flintheart's bill wrong (he
should have a Gladstone Gander/Clinton Coot kinda bill) and that, I dare
say, is a bigger mistake. And you make it through the story. (unless you
suddenly can come up with something about your own view of the duck
universe or how he's just testing Magica's transformation wand...)
> And who says that it takes more magic powder to transport 8 people than
> 1? Are you a sorcerer? Where's your license?
That's common knowledge, you old coot! Everybody who knows
anything about enchantments knows that. You see, all magical transporting
powders basically function the same way - they make a thaumal code of the
object's DNA and it's physical (possibly mental as well) data and pack it
into a few thaums. Together with a few sample molecules typical to the
object (not including water, oxygen etc. available in the heading of the
transportment) it's all sent to the heading location with the speed of
magic (= the speed a thaum goes = ca. 450 000 km/sec).
The more atoms and thaums the packet carries the more magical
energy it takes to accelerate it to the speed of magic - if the speed is
slower some of the thaums may split, although it's possible to wiggle
around that part. Also the further away the transport is made the more
magical energy it takes to go there because keeping up that speed is very
magic-consuming. To transport something e.g. to space is very hard because
none of the 'standard' molecules are not found there. To transport only
the thaumal code is relatively easy and is called necromancy.
A specific amount of transportation powder can contain a certain
amount of magical energy which is liberated by the will of the user. If
it's not magically sealed it also causes an explosion as not all of the
powder's energy can be channelled to the transportation. The only
thaumaturgically correct explanation I can think of is that Magica used
too much powder the first time and thus the extra energy meant greater
explosion. Also she used it indoors, so the pressure was too high when the
thaumal energy couldn't escape to the sky. And the next time she either
concentrated more and had the Beagles all around her. Yeah, that's
probably it.
My sorceror's license? I just transported it to replace the paper
with the drawings that's on your working desk right now. See? I'm gonna
transport it back soon because I'll need it in a meeting tomorrow.
> Yes, it was stated by $crooge in some old story that he built all the
> sewers under Duckburg, and that tale showed him expertly running through
> them. (Forgive me if I don't name the story off-hand.)
A Barks story?
> I am very casual about where I place that statue. But I figure all the
> biggest ones were torn down as menaces to aviation, and there's only that
> one semi-giant one left. It looks nice in backgrounds. At LEAST you'll
But the first time you show it (not mentioning the cover which
obviously has it in a fictitious place to make a better cover) it seems
toe be on the wrong side of the Money Bin. Page 2, panel 3. It's on the
left of the Bin while all the other time it's on the right.
> The entire plot revolves around it being the 50th anniversary of $crooge
> arriving in Duckburg, right? Then it also means it's been 50 years since he
> left the Klondike to go to Duckburg, right? Isn't that obvious? He left the
I thought that after Scrooge left Klondike he went on opening
factories and making money for a few years, then went to Scotland to
settle there, and only after all that he went to Duckburg for the first
time!
> No, please... (sob)... let me tend to the upkeep of my home and the rearing
> of my children, I beseech you!
I'm sorry, Mister Rosa. I've been hired by a colleague who your
loss of time would become his profit. Mister Van H... uh, let us call him
"Mister Bill" pays me really well to talk nonsence to you and most other
people on the list.
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Dave Rawson
Disney comics Digest V97 #144
Message 129 -
1997-07-13 at 22:56:21
> (Email removed) (Wilmer Rivers)
> Incidentally, there are some scholars who claim that this hillbilly
> accent is the closest modern-day speech to what "classical" English
> may have sounded like!!!
A good deal of musicological evidence points to this, too, with the
nature and style of the ballads and reels and even the instrumental
riffs that abound in that area being directly traceable to points in
Scotland, Ireland, England and Wales. It's a very rich and fascinating
heritage.
Incidentally, when I was e-mailing with some Netherlanders a decade ago,
it came up that a remote area of that country still speaks essentially
Olde English. I think the area is called Friesland. Likely others here
know more.
> (Email removed)
> Hi, everybody! I just thought I'd let you folks know that I'm back on
> the mailing list after a long, long break.
Hi, John. Welcome back! I see from the stack of Egmont stuff, you've
done a fair amount of writing in the past year. It's good when we get
treated to your creations on a more constant basis.
> With the San Diego Con coming up and a chance to get together with
> folks, I thought it was time to de-lurk.
I'd love the chance to get together and yak. Bob Foster is looking to
hook up, too. Don't know when or where, though.
ALL:
Incidentally, I'll be moderating a panel on Friday at 3pm in Room 17B.
It's called COMICS AS A SOCIALIZING FORCE: Creators Who Have Something
to Say. My panelists will be Will Eisner, Sergio Aragones, Mark Wheatley
and Retailer of the Year, Joe Fields. Join us if transmission of values
is a theme that interests you.
PROS:
Also, folks like John, David, Don, Gary or such who might end up in the
Los Angeles area on the Tuesday after the Con, please swing by the Comic
Arts Professional Society's After-Con-Get-Together Tuesday at 8pm. Doors
open at 7:30pm and the address is 2006 Magnolia Street, Burbank. As the
current CAPS president, you have my hearty hello and c'mon we want to
meet ya, so stop on by.
ALL:
Lastly, I just received the black-and-white art for my little 6-page
story, GRANDMA GOES TO TOWN by Marsal. The art is wonderful. Marsal has
a beautiful line, a great sense of composition, much of which is set
with his fine weighted blacks. I think that even the most critical list
members might enjoy his work here.
By the way, Byron's really uncovered a bumper crop of relatively new
Egmont artists, so in addition to Marsal folks should be on the lookout
for the work of others like Torres, Sabate and Colomer.
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
> Incidentally, there are some scholars who claim that this hillbilly
> accent is the closest modern-day speech to what "classical" English
> may have sounded like!!!
A good deal of musicological evidence points to this, too, with the
nature and style of the ballads and reels and even the instrumental
riffs that abound in that area being directly traceable to points in
Scotland, Ireland, England and Wales. It's a very rich and fascinating
heritage.
Incidentally, when I was e-mailing with some Netherlanders a decade ago,
it came up that a remote area of that country still speaks essentially
Olde English. I think the area is called Friesland. Likely others here
know more.
> (Email removed)
> Hi, everybody! I just thought I'd let you folks know that I'm back on
> the mailing list after a long, long break.
Hi, John. Welcome back! I see from the stack of Egmont stuff, you've
done a fair amount of writing in the past year. It's good when we get
treated to your creations on a more constant basis.
> With the San Diego Con coming up and a chance to get together with
> folks, I thought it was time to de-lurk.
I'd love the chance to get together and yak. Bob Foster is looking to
hook up, too. Don't know when or where, though.
ALL:
Incidentally, I'll be moderating a panel on Friday at 3pm in Room 17B.
It's called COMICS AS A SOCIALIZING FORCE: Creators Who Have Something
to Say. My panelists will be Will Eisner, Sergio Aragones, Mark Wheatley
and Retailer of the Year, Joe Fields. Join us if transmission of values
is a theme that interests you.
PROS:
Also, folks like John, David, Don, Gary or such who might end up in the
Los Angeles area on the Tuesday after the Con, please swing by the Comic
Arts Professional Society's After-Con-Get-Together Tuesday at 8pm. Doors
open at 7:30pm and the address is 2006 Magnolia Street, Burbank. As the
current CAPS president, you have my hearty hello and c'mon we want to
meet ya, so stop on by.
ALL:
Lastly, I just received the black-and-white art for my little 6-page
story, GRANDMA GOES TO TOWN by Marsal. The art is wonderful. Marsal has
a beautiful line, a great sense of composition, much of which is set
with his fine weighted blacks. I think that even the most critical list
members might enjoy his work here.
By the way, Byron's really uncovered a bumper crop of relatively new
Egmont artists, so in addition to Marsal folks should be on the lookout
for the work of others like Torres, Sabate and Colomer.
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
Thomas Russell Tremblay
Comics
Message 130 -
1997-07-14 at 00:00:37
Is there anyone that has a current Disney collectors guide that can look
something up for me? A comic book.
something up for me? A comic book.
Jonathan Markoff
The Monarch of Gasoline Alley
Message 131 -
1997-07-14 at 00:24:34
We've often talked about Duck references popping up in newspaper comic
strips every now and then in the past. Here's a new one for you to scratch
your heads over. Well, not a Duck coincidence, but a Mouse coincidence. Has
anyone seen the storyline of GASOLINE ALLEY for the past few weeks? Let's
say this much--if it isn't a rip-off of Gottfredson's "Mickey Mouse as the
Monarch of Medioka," I'll eat it--smokestacks and all!
--Jonathan Markoff
"One dagger may succeed where a thousand swordsmen may fail!"
--Floyd Gottfredson, from the above-mentioned "Medioka" story
strips every now and then in the past. Here's a new one for you to scratch
your heads over. Well, not a Duck coincidence, but a Mouse coincidence. Has
anyone seen the storyline of GASOLINE ALLEY for the past few weeks? Let's
say this much--if it isn't a rip-off of Gottfredson's "Mickey Mouse as the
Monarch of Medioka," I'll eat it--smokestacks and all!
--Jonathan Markoff
"One dagger may succeed where a thousand swordsmen may fail!"
--Floyd Gottfredson, from the above-mentioned "Medioka" story
RHODE
Disney how to draw books
Message 132 -
1997-07-14 at 18:56:05
I'm not sure how useful this is to a worldwide list, but the Barnes &
Nobles chain here in the States is remaindering a series of "How to Draw
[blank]" books by Disney (ie Harold Foster's studio, I think.). The titles
I noticed are Uncle Scrooge and Huey, Dewey and Louie; Donald & Daisy;
Mickey and I think there's a fourth one. As you would expect, they're
instructional books for drawing each character. They're $4.98 each.
Mike Rhode
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Nobles chain here in the States is remaindering a series of "How to Draw
[blank]" books by Disney (ie Harold Foster's studio, I think.). The titles
I noticed are Uncle Scrooge and Huey, Dewey and Louie; Donald & Daisy;
Mickey and I think there's a fourth one. As you would expect, they're
instructional books for drawing each character. They're $4.98 each.
Mike Rhode
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Rob Gibson
Jivaro juice
Message 133 -
1997-07-14 at 20:37:25
In the novel "AT PLAY IN THE FIELDS OF THE LORD", by Peter Mathiessen,
(which takes place in the upper Amazon basin) there are references to
the liquid extract of "B.Caapi, a powerful narcotic and hallucinogen
containing phenol alkaloids related to those found in lysergic acid..it
has held for unknown centuries an important place in the culture of the
indian tribes of the Amazon basin...and the use of it is related to the
Jivaro practice of taking shrunken heads."
Immediately the words "Jivaro Juice" and the image of a couple of Barks
drawn flasks popped into my head. The Barks story escapes me, however.
Anyone recall this story?
(which takes place in the upper Amazon basin) there are references to
the liquid extract of "B.Caapi, a powerful narcotic and hallucinogen
containing phenol alkaloids related to those found in lysergic acid..it
has held for unknown centuries an important place in the culture of the
indian tribes of the Amazon basin...and the use of it is related to the
Jivaro practice of taking shrunken heads."
Immediately the words "Jivaro Juice" and the image of a couple of Barks
drawn flasks popped into my head. The Barks story escapes me, however.
Anyone recall this story?
Fabrizio
I Maestri disney #4
Message 134 -
1997-07-14 at 20:41:16
Hi, I am still here :-)
Just to say that issue #4 of "I Maestri Disney" (out in August) will
feature Giorgio Cavazzano's "Casablanca", here at its first reprint, among
other works by him.
Definitely a must-have it !!
Fabrizio.
Just to say that issue #4 of "I Maestri Disney" (out in August) will
feature Giorgio Cavazzano's "Casablanca", here at its first reprint, among
other works by him.
Definitely a must-have it !!
Fabrizio.
Wilmer Rivers
Frisian language (partly on-topic, mostly not)
Message 135 -
1997-07-14 at 23:47:30
Dave Rawson writes:
> Incidentally, when I was e-mailing with some Netherlanders a decade
> ago, it came up that a remote area of that country still speaks
> essentially Olde English. I think the area is called Friesland.
> Likely others here know more.
In December of 1994 we had a discussion on this List about that very
subject. Specifically, it was suggested that Daan Jippes might be a
native of Friesland, so there was speculation about whether his native
language was Dutch or Frisian. [I believe it turns out that Jippes is
not from Friesland, but his name suggests that his ancestry may be
Frisian. And didn't someone say that Mickey Mouse's first animator,
Ub Iwerks (originally Ubbe Iwwerks), was a native of Friesland?]
Anyway, this led to an exchange about the Frisian language and its
relationship to English. To summarize that off-topic digression:
A long-vanished parent language gave rise to 3 separate families of
languages: the North, East, and West Teutonic (or Germanic) families.
(1) The East Teutonic family's only descendant was Gothic, which is now
extinct.
(2) The North Teutonic family split into 2 families: East Norse and West
Norse.
(2.a) East Norse's descendants are Swedish and Danish.
(2.b) West Norse's descendants are Norwegian, Icelandic, and Faroese.
(3) The West Teutonic family split into 2 branches: High and Low German.
(3.a) High German split into 2 branches: (modern) German and Yiddish.
(3.b) Low German split into 4 branches: Old Saxon, Low Franconian, Old
English (or Anglo-Saxon), and Old Frisian.
(3.b.1) Old Saxon gave rise to Middle Low German, which gave rise to
Plattdeutsch.
(3.b.2) Low Franconian gave rise to Middle Dutch, which gave rise to
modern Dutch (and hence Afrikaans).
(3.b.3) Old English (or Anglo-Saxon) gave rise to Middle English, which
gave rise to modern English.
(3.b.4) Old Frisian gave rise to modern Frisian.
These last 2 show that modern Frisian is much closer to Old Frisian
than modern English is to Old English. And, since Old Frisian and Old
English were "siblings", modern Frisian is in fact rather close to Old
English, actually more so than is modern English. A Frisian accent is
therefore somewhat disconcerting to a native speaker of English, since
it seems obviously foreign yet is somehow strangely familiar.
(A bit more on-topic): note that Old English was **not** the language
which would have been spoken by King Arthur in "The Once and Future
Duck". The real King Arthur (whom we meet in that story) would have
spoken a Celtic language of some sort, now extinct but at least akin
to Welsh or Gaelic. Old English was the language of the Anglo-Saxon
invaders from the European mainland, against whom Arthur would have
fought. (He also would have fought against the Vikings, who spoke the
language in (2) above.) So Donald and the nephews would have had
absolutely no idea what Arthur and his knights were saying, and vice
versa - the language that Arthur spoke isn't even in the Teutonic
families listed above!
(Marginally on-topic): The two astronomers who have done the most in
the 20th century to advance our understanding of comets and asteroids
(and hence of the aliens in "Attack of the Hideous Space Varmints"!)
are Jan Oort and Gerard Kuiper. Oort was Dutch, and Kuiper was Dutch-
American (working for most of his career in Gladstone Comics' home
state of Arizona). Are either of those names Frisian? I'm just curious
about who are the famous Frisians (other than Ub Iwerks, if in fact he
was one). I know that the film actor Rutger Hauer is Frisian, as was
the famous spy Mata Hari.
Wilmer Rivers
> Incidentally, when I was e-mailing with some Netherlanders a decade
> ago, it came up that a remote area of that country still speaks
> essentially Olde English. I think the area is called Friesland.
> Likely others here know more.
In December of 1994 we had a discussion on this List about that very
subject. Specifically, it was suggested that Daan Jippes might be a
native of Friesland, so there was speculation about whether his native
language was Dutch or Frisian. [I believe it turns out that Jippes is
not from Friesland, but his name suggests that his ancestry may be
Frisian. And didn't someone say that Mickey Mouse's first animator,
Ub Iwerks (originally Ubbe Iwwerks), was a native of Friesland?]
Anyway, this led to an exchange about the Frisian language and its
relationship to English. To summarize that off-topic digression:
A long-vanished parent language gave rise to 3 separate families of
languages: the North, East, and West Teutonic (or Germanic) families.
(1) The East Teutonic family's only descendant was Gothic, which is now
extinct.
(2) The North Teutonic family split into 2 families: East Norse and West
Norse.
(2.a) East Norse's descendants are Swedish and Danish.
(2.b) West Norse's descendants are Norwegian, Icelandic, and Faroese.
(3) The West Teutonic family split into 2 branches: High and Low German.
(3.a) High German split into 2 branches: (modern) German and Yiddish.
(3.b) Low German split into 4 branches: Old Saxon, Low Franconian, Old
English (or Anglo-Saxon), and Old Frisian.
(3.b.1) Old Saxon gave rise to Middle Low German, which gave rise to
Plattdeutsch.
(3.b.2) Low Franconian gave rise to Middle Dutch, which gave rise to
modern Dutch (and hence Afrikaans).
(3.b.3) Old English (or Anglo-Saxon) gave rise to Middle English, which
gave rise to modern English.
(3.b.4) Old Frisian gave rise to modern Frisian.
These last 2 show that modern Frisian is much closer to Old Frisian
than modern English is to Old English. And, since Old Frisian and Old
English were "siblings", modern Frisian is in fact rather close to Old
English, actually more so than is modern English. A Frisian accent is
therefore somewhat disconcerting to a native speaker of English, since
it seems obviously foreign yet is somehow strangely familiar.
(A bit more on-topic): note that Old English was **not** the language
which would have been spoken by King Arthur in "The Once and Future
Duck". The real King Arthur (whom we meet in that story) would have
spoken a Celtic language of some sort, now extinct but at least akin
to Welsh or Gaelic. Old English was the language of the Anglo-Saxon
invaders from the European mainland, against whom Arthur would have
fought. (He also would have fought against the Vikings, who spoke the
language in (2) above.) So Donald and the nephews would have had
absolutely no idea what Arthur and his knights were saying, and vice
versa - the language that Arthur spoke isn't even in the Teutonic
families listed above!
(Marginally on-topic): The two astronomers who have done the most in
the 20th century to advance our understanding of comets and asteroids
(and hence of the aliens in "Attack of the Hideous Space Varmints"!)
are Jan Oort and Gerard Kuiper. Oort was Dutch, and Kuiper was Dutch-
American (working for most of his career in Gladstone Comics' home
state of Arizona). Are either of those names Frisian? I'm just curious
about who are the famous Frisians (other than Ub Iwerks, if in fact he
was one). I know that the film actor Rutger Hauer is Frisian, as was
the famous spy Mata Hari.
Wilmer Rivers