CHRIS:
> The only BD stories that I have ever seen were drawn by Paul Murry
Really? Martin Olsen once published a complete Murry index, and
didn't mention any Buck Duck story. And the only original Murry work
that Olsen lists for WD's Comics Digest are Super Goof stories.
So Martin missed a few stories?
--Harry.
Author
Topic: 199707
(281 messages)
Harry Fluks
Buck Duck
Message 16 -
1997-07-01 at 23:24:44
Rob Gibson
Decline of comics
Message 17 -
1997-07-01 at 23:47:31
the decline of comics sales is a phenomenon that the industry needs to
address if it is to prosper again. Perhaps part of the problem is the
proliferation of competition(tv, movies come to mind) and perhaps part
is marketing, or lack thereof. The Internet could be a valuable tool to
inform and make available to the public just about any product. If I
were Gladstone/Disney I would move aggressively in this arena.
In this context, I have noted on several movie websites
the ability to cast votes for films and/or to submit comments about
films(moviefinder.com,imdb.com). I would like to see a similar system
for disney comics, with perhaps a separate rating for story and for
artwork. Instead of picking a movie I would be picking a story, with
notes on when and where it has been published and how to acquire one or
more of these published versions(Gladstone take note).
All this talk about Rosa's greatest stories( none of which I have had
the opportunity to read yet) suggested this idea. I could click on "250
greatest comic stories", or on one of several categories(comedy,
action/adventure) pick a story, read a review, find out where it is
available and how to order it, and cast a vote on it (1-5 stars,
perhaps) after I've read it, or add my own comments regarding the
art/story if I like.
Personally, I think a strong plot is more critical than strong artwork.
For example, There are some strong stories illustrated by Strobl( not
one of my favorite artists) in the late fifties(DD 66 "paper route
panic", DD 68 "fabulous fiddlesticks")) that, in my opinion, deserve
being reprinted, if they have not been.
And I am willing to put my time where my mouth is. I am a programmer by
profession and would contribute to implement such a system, were it
deemed appropriate by those who decide such things.
Thanks for the information recently provided regarding "lost"
Barks stories/panels/pages, and database information access.
Rob Gibson
PS I recall reading some beautiful "topolino" comics at Disneyland in
the 60's and wishing at the time I could read Italian or that they were
translated into English. Has this ever been done?
address if it is to prosper again. Perhaps part of the problem is the
proliferation of competition(tv, movies come to mind) and perhaps part
is marketing, or lack thereof. The Internet could be a valuable tool to
inform and make available to the public just about any product. If I
were Gladstone/Disney I would move aggressively in this arena.
In this context, I have noted on several movie websites
the ability to cast votes for films and/or to submit comments about
films(moviefinder.com,imdb.com). I would like to see a similar system
for disney comics, with perhaps a separate rating for story and for
artwork. Instead of picking a movie I would be picking a story, with
notes on when and where it has been published and how to acquire one or
more of these published versions(Gladstone take note).
All this talk about Rosa's greatest stories( none of which I have had
the opportunity to read yet) suggested this idea. I could click on "250
greatest comic stories", or on one of several categories(comedy,
action/adventure) pick a story, read a review, find out where it is
available and how to order it, and cast a vote on it (1-5 stars,
perhaps) after I've read it, or add my own comments regarding the
art/story if I like.
Personally, I think a strong plot is more critical than strong artwork.
For example, There are some strong stories illustrated by Strobl( not
one of my favorite artists) in the late fifties(DD 66 "paper route
panic", DD 68 "fabulous fiddlesticks")) that, in my opinion, deserve
being reprinted, if they have not been.
And I am willing to put my time where my mouth is. I am a programmer by
profession and would contribute to implement such a system, were it
deemed appropriate by those who decide such things.
Thanks for the information recently provided regarding "lost"
Barks stories/panels/pages, and database information access.
Rob Gibson
PS I recall reading some beautiful "topolino" comics at Disneyland in
the 60's and wishing at the time I could read Italian or that they were
translated into English. Has this ever been done?
Bhc
Disney comics Digest V97 #135
Message 18 -
1997-07-02 at 02:31:55
David, David, David...
> Has this character [Buck Duck] appeared anywhere else? In any
>stories with
>Donald and the "traditional" characters? In some foreign stories? What is
>his relationship, if any, to Disney cartoons?
> Joe Torcivia? Chris Barat? Anyone?
You realize, don't you, that everyone will now expect *you* to do some new
"Buck Duck" stories?
>Since 1996, the British no
>longer publish Disney comics with the "classic" characters, instead going
>for the BIGTIME monthly -- which contains modern TV characters only.
The Brits give up Hong Kong, and now the "classic" Disney characters. The
sun has definitely set on that empire.
In case any Brits take offense at this, according to the political
correctness du jour, I'm entitled to say anything I want about the Brits,
since I am British-American. My last name is after the town of Leach, by
the Leach river, in England. Same place Cary Grant got his chin.
Uli:
>I have just heard the rumour that the series PENNY PINCHER was cancelled
>after Number 4 by GLADSTONE themself.
True. Number 4 is it. It sold about as well as any of our other titles,
but the point of it was to see if it would sell considerably better by
being inexpensive (by certain measures, anyway). This did not happen. As a
result, at ninety-nine cents, the books lost money.
We have solicited two new titles in the wake of this cancellation. One is
Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck, a bimonthly $1.95 book that will take the
place of the Penny Pincher in the distribution queue. The other is The
Adventurous Uncle Scrooge McDuck, another $1.95 bimonthly, that will be a
companion title to Uncle Scrooge Adventures, which is being scaled back to
bimonthly frequency.
Harry:
>Maybe the order of reading really influences my opinion. I think, for instance,
>that "Cash Flow" is one of Don's *worst* stories. The Beagle Boys assume the
>professor doesn't recognise them, and surprise, he doesn't (that's too easy).
I dunno. The Beagles have often shown a remarkable aptitude for sizing
someone up quickly and accurately. For me, it would have stretched
credibility if the Beagles *hadn't* found the professor to be a completely
open book.
Don:
>But, gosh, is that all you got outta that 28 page story?
The eternal lament of the creative soul. Amen.
Gary
****************************
"I've got blistahs on my fingahs!" - Ringo Starr
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Gladstone on the Web: http://www.hamlco.com/bhc/
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> Has this character [Buck Duck] appeared anywhere else? In any
>stories with
>Donald and the "traditional" characters? In some foreign stories? What is
>his relationship, if any, to Disney cartoons?
> Joe Torcivia? Chris Barat? Anyone?
You realize, don't you, that everyone will now expect *you* to do some new
"Buck Duck" stories?
>Since 1996, the British no
>longer publish Disney comics with the "classic" characters, instead going
>for the BIGTIME monthly -- which contains modern TV characters only.
The Brits give up Hong Kong, and now the "classic" Disney characters. The
sun has definitely set on that empire.
In case any Brits take offense at this, according to the political
correctness du jour, I'm entitled to say anything I want about the Brits,
since I am British-American. My last name is after the town of Leach, by
the Leach river, in England. Same place Cary Grant got his chin.
Uli:
>I have just heard the rumour that the series PENNY PINCHER was cancelled
>after Number 4 by GLADSTONE themself.
True. Number 4 is it. It sold about as well as any of our other titles,
but the point of it was to see if it would sell considerably better by
being inexpensive (by certain measures, anyway). This did not happen. As a
result, at ninety-nine cents, the books lost money.
We have solicited two new titles in the wake of this cancellation. One is
Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck, a bimonthly $1.95 book that will take the
place of the Penny Pincher in the distribution queue. The other is The
Adventurous Uncle Scrooge McDuck, another $1.95 bimonthly, that will be a
companion title to Uncle Scrooge Adventures, which is being scaled back to
bimonthly frequency.
Harry:
>Maybe the order of reading really influences my opinion. I think, for instance,
>that "Cash Flow" is one of Don's *worst* stories. The Beagle Boys assume the
>professor doesn't recognise them, and surprise, he doesn't (that's too easy).
I dunno. The Beagles have often shown a remarkable aptitude for sizing
someone up quickly and accurately. For me, it would have stretched
credibility if the Beagles *hadn't* found the professor to be a completely
open book.
Don:
>But, gosh, is that all you got outta that 28 page story?
The eternal lament of the creative soul. Amen.
Gary
****************************
"I've got blistahs on my fingahs!" - Ringo Starr
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Gladstone on the Web: http://www.hamlco.com/bhc/
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Jakob Soederbaum
Pens for Todd
Message 19 -
1997-07-02 at 04:18:57
TODD:
I checked with my local store today for the kind of pen you requested. They
didn't have any, but could easily order them. I don't have your E-mail
address (forgot to write it down! ;-) ), so you'll have to contact me. I'll
be going on vacation on Friday or Saturday, but I'll be in town now and
then during the summer, so I can easily pick them up when they arrive (it'll
take a couple of weeks, I assume). Just let me know...
---
/Jakob
I checked with my local store today for the kind of pen you requested. They
didn't have any, but could easily order them. I don't have your E-mail
address (forgot to write it down! ;-) ), so you'll have to contact me. I'll
be going on vacation on Friday or Saturday, but I'll be in town now and
then during the summer, so I can easily pick them up when they arrive (it'll
take a couple of weeks, I assume). Just let me know...
---
/Jakob
Carey M. Furlong
Best Don Rosa Story
Message 20 -
1997-07-02 at 05:37:34
I love all of Don Rosa's storys, but for me the one that moved me the
most was,
"Hearts of the Yukon." I will never forget that dark moment in the
burning Black
Jack Saloon, when Scrooge and Goldie stood frozen, seemingly transfixed
before each
other, surrounded by flames, neither willing to be the first to move, to
"do
something" that might possibly show the other that they cared. This
scene of the
two of them facing each other, wrapped in its obscure shadows and
contrasting
bright flames, with its powerful emotions of pride, love and obstinacy,
touched me
deeply.
The last page of HOTY was also very moving, with both Goldie and Scrooge
gazing
across miles of moonlit snow toward something they could almost, but not
quite see.
But for us readers it was all too plain. The final frame, with its
simple pathos,
punctuated by the love letter left unopened in the snow, depicted how
Goldie's and
Scrooge's fateful stubborness prevented them from fully realizing the
rather deep
feelings they held for each other.
Scrooge, and Goldie too for that matter, seemed human in this book, and
they made
me think of how one can lose things in life through inaction, fear or
listless
pride. One could argue, of course, that they both in fact went on to do
other,
perhaps better things. Maybe so. But I can't help thinking that in
this story,
Scrooge reminded me of me. Maybe that's why it meant so much.
HOTY was definitely not the first Rosa story I have read -- far from it.
But for me, it is one of the most remembered. Thanks, Don!
- Carey
"Blasted kids must think I'm a whelcher!"
S. McDuck (US3 - OS 495)
Carey Furlong; Hungtington Beach, California;
(Email removed); (Email removed)
most was,
"Hearts of the Yukon." I will never forget that dark moment in the
burning Black
Jack Saloon, when Scrooge and Goldie stood frozen, seemingly transfixed
before each
other, surrounded by flames, neither willing to be the first to move, to
"do
something" that might possibly show the other that they cared. This
scene of the
two of them facing each other, wrapped in its obscure shadows and
contrasting
bright flames, with its powerful emotions of pride, love and obstinacy,
touched me
deeply.
The last page of HOTY was also very moving, with both Goldie and Scrooge
gazing
across miles of moonlit snow toward something they could almost, but not
quite see.
But for us readers it was all too plain. The final frame, with its
simple pathos,
punctuated by the love letter left unopened in the snow, depicted how
Goldie's and
Scrooge's fateful stubborness prevented them from fully realizing the
rather deep
feelings they held for each other.
Scrooge, and Goldie too for that matter, seemed human in this book, and
they made
me think of how one can lose things in life through inaction, fear or
listless
pride. One could argue, of course, that they both in fact went on to do
other,
perhaps better things. Maybe so. But I can't help thinking that in
this story,
Scrooge reminded me of me. Maybe that's why it meant so much.
HOTY was definitely not the first Rosa story I have read -- far from it.
But for me, it is one of the most remembered. Thanks, Don!
- Carey
"Blasted kids must think I'm a whelcher!"
S. McDuck (US3 - OS 495)
Carey Furlong; Hungtington Beach, California;
(Email removed); (Email removed)
Arthur De Wolf
Three brilliant new Rosa stories
Message 21 -
1997-07-02 at 08:37:12
Hi!
DON ROSA said:
> You say you laughed at a line in "A Little Something Special" that is one
> that I laugh at myself.
"A Little Something Special" is definetely in my top 5 of favorite
Rosa-stories. I absolutely LOVED it. It has everything: from action to
romance and lots of humor. Putting all those villains together to join
forces against Scrooge is brilliant. The chase-scene that starts on page
22 is my favorite section. It's very exciting and could have been
a scene from a real movie. And where the sponsor asks the policeman to
shoot Scrooge and he says "Shoot the guest-of-honor? In the back? Eh ..
wouldn't that put sort of a DAMPER on the festivities?". Hahaaaa,
that is SO incredibly funny! :-D
I just read the first part of the new "Space Varmints"-story. Being
an alien-abductee myself, I really liked the first eight pages so
far. I recognized the flash of brightness and the green glow from my
own experience! ;-) Naaah, I'm not an alien-abductee, but I'm a very big
fan of science fiction movies and series, and I think this story comes
EXACTLY on the right time ... with this whole alien-hype going on. I can
hardly wait to see how it continues!
I also read the "An Eye for Detail"-story recently and it was okay.
I think it's weird that Scrooge KEEPS trying to find a job for
Donald, even when everything fails. Also the ending was not as good
as I'm used to with Rosa-stories, but maybe that's because I read the
story in another language and I didn't get every word. On the overall
I liked the story anyway, especially every time Scrooge shows Donald
a nephew to ask him who it is. I'll give the story three-and-a-half
stars out of five! ;-)
One more thing; the "Untold Tales You'll Never See" drawing in the
Spiderman comic has a "D.U.S.K" in it, in stead of a "D.U.C.K". What does
it mean? Does the "S" stand for Scrooge?
Bye!
Arthur
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End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #136
******************************************
DON ROSA said:
> You say you laughed at a line in "A Little Something Special" that is one
> that I laugh at myself.
"A Little Something Special" is definetely in my top 5 of favorite
Rosa-stories. I absolutely LOVED it. It has everything: from action to
romance and lots of humor. Putting all those villains together to join
forces against Scrooge is brilliant. The chase-scene that starts on page
22 is my favorite section. It's very exciting and could have been
a scene from a real movie. And where the sponsor asks the policeman to
shoot Scrooge and he says "Shoot the guest-of-honor? In the back? Eh ..
wouldn't that put sort of a DAMPER on the festivities?". Hahaaaa,
that is SO incredibly funny! :-D
I just read the first part of the new "Space Varmints"-story. Being
an alien-abductee myself, I really liked the first eight pages so
far. I recognized the flash of brightness and the green glow from my
own experience! ;-) Naaah, I'm not an alien-abductee, but I'm a very big
fan of science fiction movies and series, and I think this story comes
EXACTLY on the right time ... with this whole alien-hype going on. I can
hardly wait to see how it continues!
I also read the "An Eye for Detail"-story recently and it was okay.
I think it's weird that Scrooge KEEPS trying to find a job for
Donald, even when everything fails. Also the ending was not as good
as I'm used to with Rosa-stories, but maybe that's because I read the
story in another language and I didn't get every word. On the overall
I liked the story anyway, especially every time Scrooge shows Donald
a nephew to ask him who it is. I'll give the story three-and-a-half
stars out of five! ;-)
One more thing; the "Untold Tales You'll Never See" drawing in the
Spiderman comic has a "D.U.S.K" in it, in stead of a "D.U.C.K". What does
it mean? Does the "S" stand for Scrooge?
Bye!
Arthur
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #136
******************************************
Don Rosa
UNCLE $CROOGE #179
Message 22 -
1997-07-02 at 09:01:56
EVERYONE:
To anyone within the sound of my typing -- who among you has a complete set
of the American UNCLE $CROOGE comics except the elusive #179?
Send me a private message, please.
To anyone within the sound of my typing -- who among you has a complete set
of the American UNCLE $CROOGE comics except the elusive #179?
Send me a private message, please.
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
The First(?) International Don Rosa Survey
Message 23 -
1997-07-02 at 15:43:02
ALL:
I've been reading recently in our ML about people's favorite Rosa stories.
So I thought to myself: why not carry out a survey on Rosa's stories among
the List members?
Something similar was done back in 1982 by Ken Bausert on Carl Barks, and
the results of his survey were published in "The Barks Collector", "The
Duckburg Times", and "Der Hamburger Donaldist". People were asked to name 10
picks in each category. The following were the top 5 vote-getters by category:
COVERS: (39 respondents):
#1: "Sheriff of Bullet Valley", FC 199, 18 votes
#2: "Luck of the North", FC 256, 15 votes
"Only a Poor Old Man", FC 386, 15 votes
#4: "Ancient Persia", FC 275, 14 votes
"Golden Helmet", FC 408, 14 votes
SPLASH PANELS: (36 respondents):
#1: "Dam Break", pg. 26 of FC 386, 19 votes
#2: "Serpent First Appears", pg. 15 of FC 318, 15 votes
#3: "Ghost Ship Appears", pg. 11 of US 25, 13 votes
#4: "City of Plain Awful", pg. 17 of FC 223, 10 votes
"Octopus/Ship Rising", pg. 20 of FC 159, 10 votes
GAGS: (28 respondents):
#1: "Tuxedo", FC 223, 8 votes
#2: "Scrooge brings own cup of coffee", US 7, 7 votes
#3: "Sponge donut", US 12, 6 votes
"Mush!", US 13, 6 votes
#5: "Masks", DD 26, 5 votes
WORST STORIES: (36 respondents):
#1: "Titanic Ants", DD 60, 6 votes
"Interplanetary Postman", US 53, 6 votes
#3: "Golden Xmas Tree", FC 203, 4 votes
"Queen of the Wild Dog Pack", US 62, 4 votes
"Monkey Business", WDC&S #297, 4 votes
BEST SHORT STORIES, 2-10 pages (49 respondents):
#1: "Cornelius Coot Story", WDC&S 138, 15 votes
#2: "Quiz Show", WDC&S 99, 11 votes
"Cyclone scatters Scrooge's money", WDC&S 126, 11 votes
#4: "Flipism", WDC&S 149, 9 votes
"The Hypno-gun", WDC&S 145, 9 votes
BEST LONG STORIES (49 respondents)
#1: "A Xmas For Shacktown", FC 367, 34 votes
#2: "Lost in the Andes", FC 223, 28 votes
"Golden Helmet", FC 408, 28 votes
#4: "Luck of the North", FC 256, 20 votes
#5: "Only a Poor Old Man", FC 386, 18 votes
Now, how about doing something similar for Rosa's stories? By now, we have
enough material by Don to have a large enough # of potential candidates, and
members of this list should provide a large enough sample size. I know it's
summer, but what the heck, it'll make it more bearable before we hit the beach!
So I ask all interested List members to send me their picks on the following
categories:
INTERNATIONAL SURVEY ON DON ROSA
NAME:
NATIONALITY:
SEX:
AGE:
1) Pick 3 covers which you consider Rosa's BEST: (*NOTE*: NOT in order of
preference. Simply what you'd consider Don's 3 BEST covers).
2) Pick 3 OPENING SPLASH PANELS which you consider Rosa's BEST:
3) Pick 3 INTERIOR SPLASH PANELS which you consider Rosa's BEST:
4) Pick 3 stories (of any length) which you consider Rosa's WORST:
5) Pick 3 SHORT stories (2-14 pages long) which you consider Rosa's BEST:
6) Pick 3 LONG stories (15 pages or more) which you consider Rosa's BEST:
7) Pick the 3 BEST/CLEVEREST hidden D.U.C.K.s. (in covers OR Splash panels).
Send your picks to (Email removed)
Deadline for submission: July 31, 1997
I hope you enjoy filling out the above questionnaire,
Archontis
I've been reading recently in our ML about people's favorite Rosa stories.
So I thought to myself: why not carry out a survey on Rosa's stories among
the List members?
Something similar was done back in 1982 by Ken Bausert on Carl Barks, and
the results of his survey were published in "The Barks Collector", "The
Duckburg Times", and "Der Hamburger Donaldist". People were asked to name 10
picks in each category. The following were the top 5 vote-getters by category:
COVERS: (39 respondents):
#1: "Sheriff of Bullet Valley", FC 199, 18 votes
#2: "Luck of the North", FC 256, 15 votes
"Only a Poor Old Man", FC 386, 15 votes
#4: "Ancient Persia", FC 275, 14 votes
"Golden Helmet", FC 408, 14 votes
SPLASH PANELS: (36 respondents):
#1: "Dam Break", pg. 26 of FC 386, 19 votes
#2: "Serpent First Appears", pg. 15 of FC 318, 15 votes
#3: "Ghost Ship Appears", pg. 11 of US 25, 13 votes
#4: "City of Plain Awful", pg. 17 of FC 223, 10 votes
"Octopus/Ship Rising", pg. 20 of FC 159, 10 votes
GAGS: (28 respondents):
#1: "Tuxedo", FC 223, 8 votes
#2: "Scrooge brings own cup of coffee", US 7, 7 votes
#3: "Sponge donut", US 12, 6 votes
"Mush!", US 13, 6 votes
#5: "Masks", DD 26, 5 votes
WORST STORIES: (36 respondents):
#1: "Titanic Ants", DD 60, 6 votes
"Interplanetary Postman", US 53, 6 votes
#3: "Golden Xmas Tree", FC 203, 4 votes
"Queen of the Wild Dog Pack", US 62, 4 votes
"Monkey Business", WDC&S #297, 4 votes
BEST SHORT STORIES, 2-10 pages (49 respondents):
#1: "Cornelius Coot Story", WDC&S 138, 15 votes
#2: "Quiz Show", WDC&S 99, 11 votes
"Cyclone scatters Scrooge's money", WDC&S 126, 11 votes
#4: "Flipism", WDC&S 149, 9 votes
"The Hypno-gun", WDC&S 145, 9 votes
BEST LONG STORIES (49 respondents)
#1: "A Xmas For Shacktown", FC 367, 34 votes
#2: "Lost in the Andes", FC 223, 28 votes
"Golden Helmet", FC 408, 28 votes
#4: "Luck of the North", FC 256, 20 votes
#5: "Only a Poor Old Man", FC 386, 18 votes
Now, how about doing something similar for Rosa's stories? By now, we have
enough material by Don to have a large enough # of potential candidates, and
members of this list should provide a large enough sample size. I know it's
summer, but what the heck, it'll make it more bearable before we hit the beach!
So I ask all interested List members to send me their picks on the following
categories:
INTERNATIONAL SURVEY ON DON ROSA
NAME:
NATIONALITY:
SEX:
AGE:
1) Pick 3 covers which you consider Rosa's BEST: (*NOTE*: NOT in order of
preference. Simply what you'd consider Don's 3 BEST covers).
2) Pick 3 OPENING SPLASH PANELS which you consider Rosa's BEST:
3) Pick 3 INTERIOR SPLASH PANELS which you consider Rosa's BEST:
4) Pick 3 stories (of any length) which you consider Rosa's WORST:
5) Pick 3 SHORT stories (2-14 pages long) which you consider Rosa's BEST:
6) Pick 3 LONG stories (15 pages or more) which you consider Rosa's BEST:
7) Pick the 3 BEST/CLEVEREST hidden D.U.C.K.s. (in covers OR Splash panels).
Send your picks to (Email removed)
Deadline for submission: July 31, 1997
I hope you enjoy filling out the above questionnaire,
Archontis
Eirik Krogh Visted
Disney comics Digest V97 #126
Message 24 -
1997-07-02 at 18:25:38
Sorry if all these replies are a bit old, but I've been on vacation.
SUSAN:
>Well, Eirik, pardon me for using your comments as an excuse to rant, but
>I've got a few moments to spare and I'm feeling cranky. Comes from working
>long hours for median wages at a job I love but that gets little respect
>(except from my peers and some truly wonderful fans, many thanks to you).
>The following remarks are directed not just towards Eirik but to all who
>have made similar comments in the past and present.
You have read far to much into my post. Frankly, I just don't care very
much that Scrooge's hair was brown in the first few Lo$ episodes. I was
just curious about why it wasn't changed in the albums when Don Rosa
apparently deemed this important.
And I wasn't bitching, I was asking a question. It might have been
discussed before, but I'm a new subscriber and so I haven't taken part in
that discussion.
>Secondly, if you can read the stories in the comics and albums, you can
>read the credits. All of them. The colorist for the US edition of LOS
>was/is me, Susan Daigle-Leach. You can call me Sue, Susan, Mrs. G,
>Production Manager From Hell or Empress of the Known Universe, but I don't
>like being called "the colorist" or "whoever. " I'm a real, breathing-type
>person and I like being treated like one. Thanks.
Well, I didn't remember your name. And as long as I knew people would know
who I was talking about anyway, I didn't really feel that it was necessary
to spend time looking up your name in the albums. You work as a colorist,
and whether you like it or not you're just going to have to take being
called one. My father is a doctor, and there's a lot more people around
here that know he's a doctor than actually know his name. You really should
reconsider your relationship with your job if you get offended when people
refer to you by your work.
ARILD:
(about the Uncle Scrooge 50th anniversary pocketbook)
>The book contains the kind of storys that was present in "Onkel Skrue" in
>the beginning of the 80's(though none of these were published at that=
time).
Was there a 'Donald Duck & Co.'-type magazine called "Onkel Skrue" in the
early eighties ? Or are you referring to that small pocket-book thing ?
LUNA:
> Did you said "uninteresting italian stories"? How many italian stories=20
>did you read to express such an opinion? I read some brasilian stories=20
>and, usually, I don't like them, but I'll never say that *ALL* the=20
>brasilian stories are uninteresting or worse!!!! I grew up with Disney=20
Um, well, I never said a word about brasilian stories :) But as far as
Italian stories go, I've read a *lot* of them. There is and has been an
enormous amount of Disney comics produced in Italy, and with such a big
production it is just natural that most of the stories don't hold a very
high standard. Of course there are exceptions, such as Scarpa, but overall
I'd say that the Disney comics that are printed in the Scandinavian
pocket-books are just pure garbage compared to for instance Barks. (and
when you make Disney comics there's no way you're not going to be compared
to Barks, even if it is unfair) Lately the pocket books stories have become
even worse. They used to be OK entertainment during 6-hour train rides and
such, but with the stories we've seen lately I'd rather just stare into
thin air for half a day.
> Welcome: it always seem strange to me that a girl (or a woman) may be=20
>interested in Disney comics.... When I'll found an italian Disney-maniac=20
>I'll ask her to marry me!!!;-))
Uh-oh ... I hope that scary Melanie-woman is not still around.=20
Eirik Krogh Visted =20
-- intellektuell r=E5ne =20
"Skjebnen er hard! Halsen er bl=F8t ... et siste hugg og s=E5 er det m=F8rkt=
!" -
Iskalde Gr=F8ss #6/1994
http://home.sn.no/~evisted
=09
SUSAN:
>Well, Eirik, pardon me for using your comments as an excuse to rant, but
>I've got a few moments to spare and I'm feeling cranky. Comes from working
>long hours for median wages at a job I love but that gets little respect
>(except from my peers and some truly wonderful fans, many thanks to you).
>The following remarks are directed not just towards Eirik but to all who
>have made similar comments in the past and present.
You have read far to much into my post. Frankly, I just don't care very
much that Scrooge's hair was brown in the first few Lo$ episodes. I was
just curious about why it wasn't changed in the albums when Don Rosa
apparently deemed this important.
And I wasn't bitching, I was asking a question. It might have been
discussed before, but I'm a new subscriber and so I haven't taken part in
that discussion.
>Secondly, if you can read the stories in the comics and albums, you can
>read the credits. All of them. The colorist for the US edition of LOS
>was/is me, Susan Daigle-Leach. You can call me Sue, Susan, Mrs. G,
>Production Manager From Hell or Empress of the Known Universe, but I don't
>like being called "the colorist" or "whoever. " I'm a real, breathing-type
>person and I like being treated like one. Thanks.
Well, I didn't remember your name. And as long as I knew people would know
who I was talking about anyway, I didn't really feel that it was necessary
to spend time looking up your name in the albums. You work as a colorist,
and whether you like it or not you're just going to have to take being
called one. My father is a doctor, and there's a lot more people around
here that know he's a doctor than actually know his name. You really should
reconsider your relationship with your job if you get offended when people
refer to you by your work.
ARILD:
(about the Uncle Scrooge 50th anniversary pocketbook)
>The book contains the kind of storys that was present in "Onkel Skrue" in
>the beginning of the 80's(though none of these were published at that=
time).
Was there a 'Donald Duck & Co.'-type magazine called "Onkel Skrue" in the
early eighties ? Or are you referring to that small pocket-book thing ?
LUNA:
> Did you said "uninteresting italian stories"? How many italian stories=20
>did you read to express such an opinion? I read some brasilian stories=20
>and, usually, I don't like them, but I'll never say that *ALL* the=20
>brasilian stories are uninteresting or worse!!!! I grew up with Disney=20
Um, well, I never said a word about brasilian stories :) But as far as
Italian stories go, I've read a *lot* of them. There is and has been an
enormous amount of Disney comics produced in Italy, and with such a big
production it is just natural that most of the stories don't hold a very
high standard. Of course there are exceptions, such as Scarpa, but overall
I'd say that the Disney comics that are printed in the Scandinavian
pocket-books are just pure garbage compared to for instance Barks. (and
when you make Disney comics there's no way you're not going to be compared
to Barks, even if it is unfair) Lately the pocket books stories have become
even worse. They used to be OK entertainment during 6-hour train rides and
such, but with the stories we've seen lately I'd rather just stare into
thin air for half a day.
> Welcome: it always seem strange to me that a girl (or a woman) may be=20
>interested in Disney comics.... When I'll found an italian Disney-maniac=20
>I'll ask her to marry me!!!;-))
Uh-oh ... I hope that scary Melanie-woman is not still around.=20
Eirik Krogh Visted =20
-- intellektuell r=E5ne =20
"Skjebnen er hard! Halsen er bl=F8t ... et siste hugg og s=E5 er det m=F8rkt=
!" -
Iskalde Gr=F8ss #6/1994
http://home.sn.no/~evisted
=09
Eirik Krogh Visted
Disney comics Digest V97 #133
Message 25 -
1997-07-02 at 19:07:58
GARY LEACH:
>I know that credits get glossed over, particularly once writer and/or
>artist are noted. Hey, that's just the way things are, right? Right...but
>that doesn't make it right. It compounds the disdain and discourtesy too
>often shown to those of us who labor in the trenches.
It absolutely does not. That people pay more attention to who wrote and
drew the story is nothing but fair. You can't seriously mean that the job a
colorist does is equally important to the story as the job the
writer/artist does ? 'Disdain' is just a ridicolous word to use here.
Living in an Egmont country, I really appreciate the work the Gladstone
people do with their releases. But I appreciate Don Rosa's efforts far more
than I appreciate what the production manager does. A production manager
can do a horrible job without it really mattering for the quality of the
story. But if he does a good job, it might enchance the enjoyment of
reading the story.
>on this mailing list talks about Don, and what he does, but does anyone
>refer to him only as "the writer/artist"? Since the coloring of a specific
>detail of a set of specific stories was the issue here, then why should it
>be allowed, out of hand, that "the colorist" remain non-specific?
Because it really had no relevance to my question. The only little thing I
asked was why this coloring detail wasn't changed in the album reprints.
And if you interpret it as being "vilifying", wasn't it just as well that I
didn't include the name ? If I was talking about a story and didn't
remember the name of the artist or writer, I would naturally just refer to
them as 'the artist' or 'the writer'. I really can't see why it would be
insulting to be refered to by your job title.
>Especially since it was the very artistic sensibilities of this particular
>"colorist" that was being vilified? As for "Melanie-syndrom," how 'bout not
I wasn't "vilifying" anyone. I was asking an honest, fair and simple
question, and even though it apparently was perceived as so, it was not my
intention in any way to critize Susan Daigle-Leach.
>Sorry to go on about this, but, as with Eirik, you put the boot in. Still,
Please explain whatever you mean with "put the boot in". Whenever someone
posts something that can however far-fetched be perceived as critism of
Gladstone or Gladstone employees, you seem to jump in with the most
unbelivably aggressive and arrogant replies. People might see things
differently than yourself or draw conclusions based on incorrect knowledge.
There are also a lot of people here from non-English speaking countries,
and you really should take into consideration that things they say may not
be meant the way they sound to a person that was born in America. It would
be nice if you used a more pleasant tone when answering people that say
things you might perceive as very wrong.
Eirik Krogh Visted =20
-- intellektuell r=E5ne =20
"Skjebnen er hard! Halsen er bl=F8t ... et siste hugg og s=E5 er det m=F8rkt=
!" -
Iskalde Gr=F8ss #6/1994
http://home.sn.no/~evisted
=09
>I know that credits get glossed over, particularly once writer and/or
>artist are noted. Hey, that's just the way things are, right? Right...but
>that doesn't make it right. It compounds the disdain and discourtesy too
>often shown to those of us who labor in the trenches.
It absolutely does not. That people pay more attention to who wrote and
drew the story is nothing but fair. You can't seriously mean that the job a
colorist does is equally important to the story as the job the
writer/artist does ? 'Disdain' is just a ridicolous word to use here.
Living in an Egmont country, I really appreciate the work the Gladstone
people do with their releases. But I appreciate Don Rosa's efforts far more
than I appreciate what the production manager does. A production manager
can do a horrible job without it really mattering for the quality of the
story. But if he does a good job, it might enchance the enjoyment of
reading the story.
>on this mailing list talks about Don, and what he does, but does anyone
>refer to him only as "the writer/artist"? Since the coloring of a specific
>detail of a set of specific stories was the issue here, then why should it
>be allowed, out of hand, that "the colorist" remain non-specific?
Because it really had no relevance to my question. The only little thing I
asked was why this coloring detail wasn't changed in the album reprints.
And if you interpret it as being "vilifying", wasn't it just as well that I
didn't include the name ? If I was talking about a story and didn't
remember the name of the artist or writer, I would naturally just refer to
them as 'the artist' or 'the writer'. I really can't see why it would be
insulting to be refered to by your job title.
>Especially since it was the very artistic sensibilities of this particular
>"colorist" that was being vilified? As for "Melanie-syndrom," how 'bout not
I wasn't "vilifying" anyone. I was asking an honest, fair and simple
question, and even though it apparently was perceived as so, it was not my
intention in any way to critize Susan Daigle-Leach.
>Sorry to go on about this, but, as with Eirik, you put the boot in. Still,
Please explain whatever you mean with "put the boot in". Whenever someone
posts something that can however far-fetched be perceived as critism of
Gladstone or Gladstone employees, you seem to jump in with the most
unbelivably aggressive and arrogant replies. People might see things
differently than yourself or draw conclusions based on incorrect knowledge.
There are also a lot of people here from non-English speaking countries,
and you really should take into consideration that things they say may not
be meant the way they sound to a person that was born in America. It would
be nice if you used a more pleasant tone when answering people that say
things you might perceive as very wrong.
Eirik Krogh Visted =20
-- intellektuell r=E5ne =20
"Skjebnen er hard! Halsen er bl=F8t ... et siste hugg og s=E5 er det m=F8rkt=
!" -
Iskalde Gr=F8ss #6/1994
http://home.sn.no/~evisted
=09
Wilmer Rivers
San Diego breakfast?
Message 26 -
1997-07-02 at 19:33:59
Heidi inquired about whether List members will have a get-together
again at the San Diego con, like the Breakfast which Torsten
organized last year and which was greatly enjoyed by all who were
present. I agree that it would be fun to have another such
session. Would breakfast at the Marriott (next door to the
convention hall) work for everyone? It seemed to, last year. If
so, would Friday be the best day (since the con starts on Thurs-
day), or do people plan on attending only on the weekend? And
will the 95% of the List who **won't** be there be irritated if
they see more posts like this one, trying to arrange a gathering?
Wilmer Rivers
again at the San Diego con, like the Breakfast which Torsten
organized last year and which was greatly enjoyed by all who were
present. I agree that it would be fun to have another such
session. Would breakfast at the Marriott (next door to the
convention hall) work for everyone? It seemed to, last year. If
so, would Friday be the best day (since the con starts on Thurs-
day), or do people plan on attending only on the weekend? And
will the 95% of the List who **won't** be there be irritated if
they see more posts like this one, trying to arrange a gathering?
Wilmer Rivers
Ram Samudrala
A bunch of issues
Message 27 -
1997-07-02 at 22:16:28
Just a few comments (I'm fairly new to this list and won't be on for
long) about a bunch of issues:
My interest in Disney comics (I've been a regular reader since I was
5; I'm 25 now) was re-invoked when I read The Life and Times of
Scrooge McDuck (the four album set). It was a story that moved me,
that excited me, and in a way changed my life, and since then I've
realised I really loved Don Rosa's work, more so than Carl Barks'.
Anyways, that's the story I like the best because it has affected me
the most.
Other duck artists/writers I like are Barks and Van
Horn. Jippes+Milton pairing is generally good. An artist I don't like
is Lockman whose work I've seen for the first time in Penny Pincher. I
really hope he's in training and he'll get better.
Regarding the War of the Wendigo being "banned", it's self-censorship
by Disney I believe. A lot of the moves made by Disney are
politically correct (I believe they just withdrew 100,000 copies of a
record artist just last week for its offensiveness). (Even the SB
case, the action Disney took is the PC side.)
This is a minor point: but in Life and Times when Scrooge is on the
train fighting the James gang and gets kicked off, how come he still
has the watch and the teeth (he leaves it on the table in the train?).
The comic book database idea is a good thing, and probably very
profitable to the person who executes it well. The problem is to make
it very general: you should have an uniform interface for ANY comic
book story, whether it involves Batman or Superman or Scrooge McDuck
or Spawn or Death or Milk and Cheese or the Simpsons.
I saw an effort on the web to do this for Disney comics, which I
thought was well-done but could've been better. I have started a list
(for myself) of all Disney stories I own. Already the more Disney
comic books I buy, the more redundancies I'm encountering (anyone for
example having the Carl Barks Library will definitely have
redundancies).
--Ram
(Email removed) || http://www.ram.org || http://www.twisted-helices.com/th
"God does not [play] dice." ---Einstein
"God does play dice." ---Quantum Mechanics
"God does play dice, but it's loaded." ---Chaos
long) about a bunch of issues:
My interest in Disney comics (I've been a regular reader since I was
5; I'm 25 now) was re-invoked when I read The Life and Times of
Scrooge McDuck (the four album set). It was a story that moved me,
that excited me, and in a way changed my life, and since then I've
realised I really loved Don Rosa's work, more so than Carl Barks'.
Anyways, that's the story I like the best because it has affected me
the most.
Other duck artists/writers I like are Barks and Van
Horn. Jippes+Milton pairing is generally good. An artist I don't like
is Lockman whose work I've seen for the first time in Penny Pincher. I
really hope he's in training and he'll get better.
Regarding the War of the Wendigo being "banned", it's self-censorship
by Disney I believe. A lot of the moves made by Disney are
politically correct (I believe they just withdrew 100,000 copies of a
record artist just last week for its offensiveness). (Even the SB
case, the action Disney took is the PC side.)
This is a minor point: but in Life and Times when Scrooge is on the
train fighting the James gang and gets kicked off, how come he still
has the watch and the teeth (he leaves it on the table in the train?).
The comic book database idea is a good thing, and probably very
profitable to the person who executes it well. The problem is to make
it very general: you should have an uniform interface for ANY comic
book story, whether it involves Batman or Superman or Scrooge McDuck
or Spawn or Death or Milk and Cheese or the Simpsons.
I saw an effort on the web to do this for Disney comics, which I
thought was well-done but could've been better. I have started a list
(for myself) of all Disney stories I own. Already the more Disney
comic books I buy, the more redundancies I'm encountering (anyone for
example having the Carl Barks Library will definitely have
redundancies).
--Ram
(Email removed) || http://www.ram.org || http://www.twisted-helices.com/th
"God does not [play] dice." ---Einstein
"God does play dice." ---Quantum Mechanics
"God does play dice, but it's loaded." ---Chaos
Deckerd
A bunch of issues
Message 28 -
1997-07-02 at 23:08:17
On Jul 2, 3:16pm, Ram Samudrala wrote:
> Subject: A bunch of issues
> An artist I don't like
> is Lockman whose work I've seen for the first time in Penny Pincher. I
> really hope he's in training and he'll get better.
>
I hate to disappoint you, but this is as good as Vic Lockman is
probably going to get. Rather than being in training, he's at
the other end of his career, and has several decades of comics
work behind him. He's an old veteran. I have to give the guy
credit for still being in there pitching, but I wish I liked
his work better myself.
--Dwight Decker
> Subject: A bunch of issues
> An artist I don't like
> is Lockman whose work I've seen for the first time in Penny Pincher. I
> really hope he's in training and he'll get better.
>
I hate to disappoint you, but this is as good as Vic Lockman is
probably going to get. Rather than being in training, he's at
the other end of his career, and has several decades of comics
work behind him. He's an old veteran. I have to give the guy
credit for still being in there pitching, but I wish I liked
his work better myself.
--Dwight Decker
Fredrik Sandstrom
Disney comics Digest V97 #136
Message 29 -
1997-07-02 at 23:20:09
GARY wrote:
>We have solicited two new titles in the wake of this cancellation. One is
>Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck, a bimonthly $1.95 book that will take the
>place of the Penny Pincher in the distribution queue. The other is The
>Adventurous Uncle Scrooge McDuck, another $1.95 bimonthly, that will be a
>companion title to Uncle Scrooge Adventures, which is being scaled back to
>bimonthly frequency.
"The Adventurous Uncle Scrooge McDuck"??? That must be the most
ridiculous Disney comic book title I've ever seen! (Sorry, no offense
meant!) I also feel that "Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck" is a bit too
long...
EVERYONE:
In the letter column of Uncle Scrooge Adventures 49, Matthew Jeske
writes:
>If you have some spare room on the covers (and it looks like you
>might), you could fill it with a title or teaser for the story. You
>could also write things like "One Adventure and Two Gag Pages!!"
Am I the only one that totally disagrees here? For one thing, there
is no spare room on the covers; the artwork usually fills the cover
100%!! I think the reason Gladstone comic books look attractive, is
that there are no unneccesary things on the covers - just the artwork
and the title. (Not even a bar code! Hooray!) I can't understand why
anyone would want blurbs like "One Adventure and Two Gag Pages" to
obstruct the artwork!
/------------------------------|-------------------------------------\
| Fredrik Sandstrom | What a night! I'll never mix radish |
| (Email removed) | juice and carrot juice again! |
| http://www.compart.fi/~fred/ | - Bugs Bunny |
\------------------------------|-------------------------------------/
>We have solicited two new titles in the wake of this cancellation. One is
>Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck, a bimonthly $1.95 book that will take the
>place of the Penny Pincher in the distribution queue. The other is The
>Adventurous Uncle Scrooge McDuck, another $1.95 bimonthly, that will be a
>companion title to Uncle Scrooge Adventures, which is being scaled back to
>bimonthly frequency.
"The Adventurous Uncle Scrooge McDuck"??? That must be the most
ridiculous Disney comic book title I've ever seen! (Sorry, no offense
meant!) I also feel that "Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck" is a bit too
long...
EVERYONE:
In the letter column of Uncle Scrooge Adventures 49, Matthew Jeske
writes:
>If you have some spare room on the covers (and it looks like you
>might), you could fill it with a title or teaser for the story. You
>could also write things like "One Adventure and Two Gag Pages!!"
Am I the only one that totally disagrees here? For one thing, there
is no spare room on the covers; the artwork usually fills the cover
100%!! I think the reason Gladstone comic books look attractive, is
that there are no unneccesary things on the covers - just the artwork
and the title. (Not even a bar code! Hooray!) I can't understand why
anyone would want blurbs like "One Adventure and Two Gag Pages" to
obstruct the artwork!
/------------------------------|-------------------------------------\
| Fredrik Sandstrom | What a night! I'll never mix radish |
| (Email removed) | juice and carrot juice again! |
| http://www.compart.fi/~fred/ | - Bugs Bunny |
\------------------------------|-------------------------------------/
Per Starback
Data Base story search
Message 30 -
1997-07-03 at 02:22:34
Harry wrote:
> (BTW, the search utility on Per's web pages probably still uses
> the January database version.)
and Marco responded:
> If that's true, it's only half-true, and I can't guess why. Because, you
> see, when I search for <dimensione> in the title I get the story codes as
> I-TL-n-x ;-)
When you did that search the first time it used the January version.
When you did it the second time it used the new version, but the
database page said the following about the new version:
> These web pages still mostly use the old version from January.
> Some links might not work while I'm doing the transition.
So there! :-)
Anyway, now it should work. That is the creator indexes are remade,
and I've fixed summaries, annotations and story links for stories with
changed codes.
I haven't done anything fancy about the code parser yet. Only made it
know that Italian codes now are "I TL xxx" instead of "I xxx".
> (BTW, the search utility on Per's web pages probably still uses
> the January database version.)
and Marco responded:
> If that's true, it's only half-true, and I can't guess why. Because, you
> see, when I search for <dimensione> in the title I get the story codes as
> I-TL-n-x ;-)
When you did that search the first time it used the January version.
When you did it the second time it used the new version, but the
database page said the following about the new version:
> These web pages still mostly use the old version from January.
> Some links might not work while I'm doing the transition.
So there! :-)
Anyway, now it should work. That is the creator indexes are remade,
and I've fixed summaries, annotations and story links for stories with
changed codes.
I haven't done anything fancy about the code parser yet. Only made it
know that Italian codes now are "I TL xxx" instead of "I xxx".