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Ub Iwerks's origin was discussed, and Wilmer Rivers quoted
<http://www.update.uu.se/~starback/disney-comics/creators/ub-iwerks.html>
as saying that his family was from the Netherlands and asked me
for a reference for that information.

Actually it said Holland earlier, but I changed it very recently because
of this very discussion on the list. As long as we don't know for
sure if it's Frisian or not, I thought that the Netherlands still
would be true.

I don't remember a specific reference for that, but I think I've read
that on several occasions. As he's primarily an animation person and
not a comics person it shouldn't be too hard to find information on
him. I'll get some books. Hang on...

* * *

* _Of Mice and Magic_ by Leonard Maltin says that Ub's father was a
Dutch immigrant who had settled in Missouri and worked as a barber.
"He named his son Ubbe Ert Iwerks [sic!], but even when the young man
shortened his name years later, it remained a point of curiosity for
moviegoers who noticed on screen credits".

* In _The Disney Studio Story_ by Richard Holliss and Brian Sibley his
name was Ubbe Iwwerks and also there he is "the son of a Dutch immigrant".

* _Before Mickey_ by Donald Crafton doesn't say much about him, but
the bibliography includes an article "Ub Iwerks" by (Disney archivist)
David R. Smith in _Funnyworld_ #14 (1972) which I don't have, but guess
is among the most informational written on him.

By the way, a great grandson of Ub Iwerks has subscribed to this
mailing list! (Don't know if he's still onboard, I just remember that
he mentioned this to me when subscribing.)

Hm, the subject line mentions Hitchcock and San Diego too. Well, I
also everyone had a good time in San Diego and had breakfast together.
And I think I'll watch _Saboteur_ any day now. I taped it not a long
time ago, but haven't got around to watching it yet.

MARCO:

> Don Rosa's "Last sled to Dawson"!!!!

This was the very first Rosa story I read, and right after that I decided to buy
as much Rosa stories as I could get my hands on.

> Page 12, panel 4. $crooge: "Is this hotel...
> yours?"; Glittering Goldie: "Yes, Scrooge! Do you remember the money I earned
> many years ago? I came back to Dawson and bought the saloon!"

The English original says:
"Yes, Scrooge! You recall the money I came into a while back?"

> [Of course you won't try and make me believe this is a mistake in the
> translation, will you?]

I'm sorry, Marco... it is!
BTW, how did they translate the Robert W. Service poem on page 5?
With a gag poem by a fake poet (like in Germany), or a faithful
translation, mentioning Service in the footnote (like in Holland)?

--Harry.
(Busy reading all Mickey newspaper stories from 1930 - 1955 in
chronological order...)

On Jul 21, 6:51pm, Per Starback wrote:

> * _Of Mice and Magic_ by Leonard Maltin says that Ub's father was a
> Dutch immigrant who had settled in Missouri and worked as a barber.
> "He named his son Ubbe Ert Iwerks [sic!], but even when the young man
> shortened his name years later, it remained a point of curiosity for
> moviegoers who noticed on screen credits".
>
I remember puzzling over this myself as a kid. "Ub Iwerks" didn't
sound like it could be a real person's name, and I wondered if it
was a trade name for some kind of process. Was there some episode
of the Disney TV show I missed where Unca Walt explained how the
"Yubby-Works" process added lines and color to animation cels, say?
Later I learned better, of course. I also recall reading somewhere
that Disney in the early (i.e., Kansas City) days considered
calling the firm "Disney-Iwerks" rather than just Disney, but
rejected it on the grounds it sounded like "Disney Eyeworks,"
and people would think it was an optometrist's shop. (The preceding
was all filtered through faded memory, so take it cum grano salis.)

--Dwight Decker

Just a quick question for someone out there. I looked into my childhood
treasure box the other day and found a 3-D Mickey Mouse called Flight to
Nowhere. It is approximately 7" wide by 2-1/2" high and was a premium from a
Cheerios box. The cardboard glasses were a part of the cereal box and needed
to be cut out. At the end was a 3 page "Dancer Don", which was an ad for
Cheerios. An ad on the back says that there was a total of 8 of these books.
Age? Common? Artist? Etc. . .

((Email removed) (Ken McGuire)

>RAM:
>
>> Was Walt Disney Giant cancelled? If so, at what issue #?
>
>Yes, the last issue was #7. I have the impression that the Penny
>Pinchers were more or less their follow-up (being comics with several
>stories on the same theme).

Thanks. I guess I now need to find issue #2. I do wish Gladstone
would start taking orders over the web site. Though I'm the instant
gratification sort of person and hate ordering over mail...

>I have that problem (and I'm even 35), but I certainly won't solve it
>using Blum's articles! Blum is explaining a lot of things "into" the
>stories, that the authors never have meant.

Yeah, but in the circles I travel, that sort of psychoanalysing is
what impresses people. Of course, you're right that Barks probably
never thought in those terms, but the fact that others can analyse so
much is telling of Barks as an artist. Ironically though, a lot of
what Blum says applies to the "vigilante" super-hero comic books as
well (I sense he doesn't care for them much).

>If my family would read those articles, they would think I'm even
>more nuts than they think I am now.

<-:

>I'm trying to deal with this problem in a different way: impress my
>family by saying wise things now and then (how many cities were
>there in Cibola, how do you lift a sunken ship, what's the Norwegian
>word for goat cheese, that kind of things) and when they ask "how
>do you know that?" I'd tell them I got it from a Disney comic!

Certainly a good approach and worth pursuing!

>> Together with the 9 issue
>> set which includes the 6 Gyro Gearloose albums, does this [i.e. the
>> Gladstone Library in Color albums] cover every Barks story?
>
>No. Stories from Daisy Duck's Diary, Grandma Duck's Farm Friends,
>Huey, Dewey and Louie Junior Woodchucks, and probably some others,
>are not printed in those albums. But then again, Barks either only
>wrote, or only drew most of these stories.

I understand that about the Junior Woodchucks (I presume you're
talking about the stuff Jippes is finishing?). But didn't the others
appear in some run of WDC&S?

--Ram

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DON, and everybody else:

"Saboteur" in "A Little Something Special" was a tough one. I think I've
seen some 20-25 Hitchcock films on Danish TV over the years, but I don't
think that one has ever been shown. By the way, I'm pretty sure that
"Rebecca" was Hitchcock's first American film.

I'm sure I must have missed a lot of film references in Don's stories.
I caught all the Citizen Kane-references, I think, and of course "The
Duck Who Never Was" being modeled on "It's a Wonderful Life". And there
was a Maltese Falcon among Scrooge's junk in some story. Maybe 'someone'
could give some hints to other ones, without excactly spelling them out...?
Or maybe this has already been discussed before?

Anyway, Don, since you like Hitchcock so much, you ought to give yourself
cameo appearances near the beginnings of your stories. Walking poodles,
or missing the bus or whatever :)

Kristian

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Luna Storta said:
>It' now a couple of months that I'm on this list, and I'm starting to
>ask myself: Is it a Disney Comil Mailing List or is it a Disney *DUCK*
>Comics Mailing List???? Is there space for someone who appreciates
>Mickey more than Donald???

I'm a Mouse fan.

Harry Fluks said:
>(Busy reading all Mickey newspaper stories from 1930 - 1955 in
>chronological order...)

Now that is awesome. :-) There are so many of the Mickey Mouse dailies I
wish I could find to read, at least without spending a fortune to do so. I
especially want to read "Mickey Mouse in Love Trouble." I once saw it's
only color printing which was being sold for nealy $300. Of course I never
got to read it.

MY INTRODUCTION:

Hi all. My name is Rich Bellacera. I was a member on this list waaaaaaaay
back around 1993, before personal webpages and such. At that time I was
an Inventory Analyst (very boring), and had been in that field for nearly 10
years. The company I worked for made mainframe computers and, well
mainframes have pretty much gone the way of the dinosaur.... So, I
volunteered for a layoff and took the nice severance package and upgraded
my computer from a Mac SE to a Performa 475 (though it's now an antique...
they age so quickly) and went back to school full time and earned my degree
in Multimedia Communications, Multimedia & Desktop Video Specialization.
I got my first job paying barely-survivable wages but now I do graphics and
animation for a small educational software/hardware company in the Silicon
Valley of California. On the side I am creating graphics and animation for an
agency which provides website advertising. To see what I kind of art I do
for my company you can check out: www.penman.com
To visit my personal webpage, still under construction, especially since I'm
still learning HTML. To get there you can go to:
www.jps.net/xephyr
(I share this website with my housemates Daniel & Karen so follow the path
to "Rich"). On that main page you'll see a picture of a little bluegray winged
pony named Xephyr (pronounced like the west wind "Zephyr") whom I
created and wrote unpublished children's stories about. There's also a section
devoted to "Disney" where I am trying my hand at documenting character
profiles of many of my favorite Disney characters. I'd love to discuss
anything
Disney, and wouldn't mind corrections or additional information you would
like to add to the list. Thanks in advance.

Anyhow, I have loved most all things Disney ever since I could remember.
My favorite Disney film is "Lady & the Tramp," and my top three favorite
Disney characters are Baby Pegasus (from "Fantasia"), Figaro the Kitten
(from both "Pinocchio" and the cartoon shorts), and Goofy. While I like
Goofy in cartoons, I've never felt much attachment to him in comics. Mickey
on the other hand has alway delighted me. I do like Duck stories which involve
Huey, Dewey & Louie, but I'm not so partial to Donald and Uncle $crooge the
way, I gather, most on this Mailing List are. I'm sure it's probably a
blasphemy
to say so, but I really did like "Ducktales" and am currently taping as many
of the episode as I can off the Disney Channel. My favorite Disney villian has
to be Pete. He great for nostalgic reasons (as Unca Walt's oldest character),
and because he interacts with nearly every Disney character in comics, from
Pluto to Moby Duck. My favorite Disney comic title is and has always been:
"Walt Disney's Comics and Stories" (though I suppose it's just "Walt Disney's
Comics" now). I like WDC because it offers such a diverse set of stories and
characters each issue. I even like the little one-page gags like Roald Dahl's
creations "Gremlins" and especially the "Scamp" tales. It's my understanding
that "Scamp" is finally going to make his staring role debut in a film in a
sequel
to "Lady & the Tramp" soon. But I digress...

MAILING-LIST STUFF:

On to Mailing-List things... back in issue #608 of WDC I read a wonderful
story called "Plastic Mickey." It got me wondering if Mickey has ever been a
superhero in any other comic. I know he's been the true-blue hero many times,
but has he ever had super powers like Donald or Goofy does? I found only one
other tale from WDC&S #317 - 319 where a three-part story ran called "The Red
Wasp Mystery." The superhero called "The Red Wasp" disappeared and
Mickey donned the Wasp's spare costume, jetpack and utility belt, defeated
Dangerous Dan & Idgit and rescued the Wasp. Are there any other "Super
Mickey" stories?

Another character I like is Jose Carioca, which, as I understand, enjoys a
strong
fan-base in Brazil. Does anyone know if any of Joe's Brazillian tales have
been
translated into English and disseminated in the USA or elsewhere? And if they
are available?

Thanx...Rich

> (Email removed):
> > It's okay if nothing springs to mind. I'll ask my friend Daan von
> > Rooijen when I visit the Amsterdam area this September. He and a
> > Belgian once carried on for some time quite uproariously (all tongue
> > in cheek) each about the other's supposed national traits.
> >
> You realize, of course, that this kind of thing is terribly
> politically incorrect in the US now?

Aw, but these fine fellows mentioned above seemed to delight in the
good-natured ribbing which was more akin to an Abbot and Costello
routine, or even watching old hands absent-mindedly play out a Ruy Lopez
or Gioco Piano chess opening where both sides know exactly what's coming
and how to counter it. As I recall, there was an extended exchange on
the inherent superiority of cheese to chocolate and vice versa. It
seemed convivial overall.

> But then again, isn't that [a Scot's thriftyness] kinda the whole
> point of Uncle Scrooge...?

Yes, but I think Barks must have realized a one-note Scrooge wasn't as
likable as a more rounded person would be. So he gave him a soft heart
when he thought he wouldn't be found out. As well as the ability to be
comically over-reaching when goaded into rivalry.

Actually, the French playwright Moliere was adept at utilizing
stereotypical characters. The actors often wore masks indicative of
their stereotypical function in the story. For instance, the busy body
might have a long nose (the better to stick in everybody's business).

Much of silent film acting derived from this same sense of drama where
exaggerated mannerisms and exaggerated body posture were used to
communicate the essential character.

Good comic art uses these same elements of exaggeration and posturing to
convey a "feel" for the character's qualities. It's literally how the
visual flow of the story is told.

> Harry Fluks <(Email removed)>:
> The people from Groningen (next to Friesland) usually treat the
> Frisians like the English treat the Irish, and the rest of the
> Netherlands treat the Belgians: many jokes about stupidity, etc.

Oh, well, that won't do. I was looking for something more light-hearted
than that. But thanks anyway...

> > [...] when I visit the Amsterdam area this September.
>
> If you happen to come near The Hague, you're welcome to drop by!

I'd love to. Daan lives in Heerhugoward which I believe is about 20
minutes travel north/north-west of Amsterdam. How far are you in rail
travel time from there?

I'm told that if I travel to Amsterdam, I must also go to Paris, and so
I shall. (I suppose I should also see Brussels.)

I have eight days to fill after the initial five in Kobenhavn.

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