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From: <BFOSTERLA at aol.com>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 1:13 AM
Subject: Donald Duck Comic Strip
> Thank you, Rob Klein.
> Yes, I wrote the Duck strip from 1980 through 1990, daily and Sunday,
and
> I have boxes full of the original roughs. I always wrote in "storyboard"
> format. When I edited Donald Duck Adventures, Uncle Scrooge Adventures,
> DuckTales and Walt Disney's Comics and Stories I almost always did a
layout
> sketch for the covers, and I have most of those, too. I was always
delighted
> by the final artwork that artists interpreted from my sketches. Their
> problem was putting the characters on model while trying to retain some of
> the attitudes I had put into the roughs. A real challenge! The solutions
> they came up with were always impressive. If DCML readers are interested,
and
> if I can figure out how to scan and send, I'd be happy to post some of the
> roughs next to copies of the final art so DCML members can see what a
great
> job the artists did (for educational purposes, of course.) I've recently
> moved, so I'd have to dig things out of storage, but give me some time and
> I'll see what I can come up with.
It sounds very interesting! I have read many of your Sunday strips in
Swedish reprints, and they have been in a very good quality! And beeing able
to see the original storyboard for some of your stories, would be really
interesting. The best part of the Sunday strips since Karp/Taliaferro
stories, and strips such as #7/13/80, #5/3/81, #10/11/87, #3/27/88, #4/10/88
and about all the strips with von Drake's joke robot and other inventions
(e.g. the beverage drinking machine in #2/22/81) are IMHO even better than
the standard Karp/Taliaferro quality. But the work replacement robot in a
1980 strip (the date is not printed in the Swedish magazine, but probably
from the 11th of May) that sleeps at Donald's desk is my absolute favourite.
Did you BTW know that there is a reproduced Egmont version of your #6/29/80
strip, draw by Vicar? The most obvious difference, is that your strip take
place indoors, while the Egmont version takes place outdoors. In the Swedish
version of the original strip, both the first and the third nephews have red
caps, though...
Stefan Persson
Author
Topic: 200101
(249 messages)
Stefan Persson
Donald Duck Comic Strip
Message 121 -
2001-01-15 at 23:46:10
Marco Barlotti
Pete
Message 122 -
2001-01-16 at 13:21:57
May I summarize in the following way the results about Pete the villain?
Pete with a visible wooden leg = Peg-leg Pete (mostly in daily strips)
Pete with no visible wooden leg = Black Pete (mostly in comic books)
I understand that anyway Gottfredson still called him "Peg-leg Pete" even
after he hid the wooden leg.
By the way, in Italy the name always stayed "Pietro Gambadilegno", which
means "Peter with a wooden leg". But I remember at least one instance of an
Italian translation (in the late '60s, at the time of the lazy, lazy, lazy
translator who murdered Barks' "not-so-ancient mariner) where Pete is
called "Pietro il Nero" (i. e. "Black Pete")... No reference, sorry, it's
just in my mind... Maybe Armando will find it... ;-)
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics
Pete with a visible wooden leg = Peg-leg Pete (mostly in daily strips)
Pete with no visible wooden leg = Black Pete (mostly in comic books)
I understand that anyway Gottfredson still called him "Peg-leg Pete" even
after he hid the wooden leg.
By the way, in Italy the name always stayed "Pietro Gambadilegno", which
means "Peter with a wooden leg". But I remember at least one instance of an
Italian translation (in the late '60s, at the time of the lazy, lazy, lazy
translator who murdered Barks' "not-so-ancient mariner) where Pete is
called "Pietro il Nero" (i. e. "Black Pete")... No reference, sorry, it's
just in my mind... Maybe Armando will find it... ;-)
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics
Luca Boschi
R: Pete
Message 123 -
2001-01-16 at 15:35:29
Hi, Marco!
> May I summarize in the following way the results about Pete the villain?
>
> Pete with a visible wooden leg = Peg-leg Pete (mostly in daily strips)
> Pete with no visible wooden leg = Black Pete (mostly in comic books)
Right.
>
> I understand that anyway Gottfredson still called him "Peg-leg Pete" even
> after he hid the wooden leg.
Yes, because, later, the wooden peg-leg was drawn by him again! So, the
changement lives only for some years. In the Eega- Pflip's Strange Power
story Pete has the peg-leg again. The story was suggested by Gentilini to
the italian artists as a model for the character. so, in the Italian
stories, the peg-leg survives for many years on. In the early 60s everyone
still uses it. See, TOPOLINO E LA DROGA DIABOLICA (if I welle remember),
where Mickey discovers thar Pete is... himself, even if disguised, from the
wooden leg.
>
> By the way, in Italy the name always stayed "Pietro Gambadilegno", which
> means "Peter with a wooden leg". But I remember at least one instance of an
> Italian translation (in the late '60s, at the time of the lazy, lazy, lazy
> translator who murdered Barks' "not-so-ancient mariner) where Pete is
> called "Pietro il Nero" (i. e. "Black Pete")... No reference, sorry, it's
> just in my mind...
Actually, I was surprised by that "strange" translation, too. It was a
Fallberg - Paul Murry story, around 1963 - 64, maybe with Mounties, maybe
mooses or sort of. It shouldn't be difficult to identify it.
Luca
> May I summarize in the following way the results about Pete the villain?
>
> Pete with a visible wooden leg = Peg-leg Pete (mostly in daily strips)
> Pete with no visible wooden leg = Black Pete (mostly in comic books)
Right.
>
> I understand that anyway Gottfredson still called him "Peg-leg Pete" even
> after he hid the wooden leg.
Yes, because, later, the wooden peg-leg was drawn by him again! So, the
changement lives only for some years. In the Eega- Pflip's Strange Power
story Pete has the peg-leg again. The story was suggested by Gentilini to
the italian artists as a model for the character. so, in the Italian
stories, the peg-leg survives for many years on. In the early 60s everyone
still uses it. See, TOPOLINO E LA DROGA DIABOLICA (if I welle remember),
where Mickey discovers thar Pete is... himself, even if disguised, from the
wooden leg.
>
> By the way, in Italy the name always stayed "Pietro Gambadilegno", which
> means "Peter with a wooden leg". But I remember at least one instance of an
> Italian translation (in the late '60s, at the time of the lazy, lazy, lazy
> translator who murdered Barks' "not-so-ancient mariner) where Pete is
> called "Pietro il Nero" (i. e. "Black Pete")... No reference, sorry, it's
> just in my mind...
Actually, I was surprised by that "strange" translation, too. It was a
Fallberg - Paul Murry story, around 1963 - 64, maybe with Mounties, maybe
mooses or sort of. It shouldn't be difficult to identify it.
Luca
Botto Armando
Pete
Message 124 -
2001-01-16 at 18:56:25
Marco:
> But I remember at least one instance of an Italian translation (in the
late '60s, at the time of the lazy, lazy, lazy translator who murdered
Barks' "not-so-ancient mariner) where Pete is called "Pietro il Nero" (i. e.
"Black Pete")... No reference, sorry, it's just in my mind...
Luca:
> Actually, I was surprised by that "strange" translation, too. It was a
Fallberg - Paul Murry story, around 1963 - 64, maybe with Mounties, maybe
mooses or sort of. It shouldn't be difficult to identify it.
I had a Murry story in mind, too... one from the late 60es, as Marco points
out. I'll check tonight, but I think the choice is restricted to 2
candidates only:
- W WDC 336-05+ The River Pirates ("Topolino pioniere del vapore", in TL
700)
or, more likely,
- W MM 122-01 The Moose Monster Mystery ("Topolino e il divoratore di
pelli", in TL 733)
'til later,
Armando
> But I remember at least one instance of an Italian translation (in the
late '60s, at the time of the lazy, lazy, lazy translator who murdered
Barks' "not-so-ancient mariner) where Pete is called "Pietro il Nero" (i. e.
"Black Pete")... No reference, sorry, it's just in my mind...
Luca:
> Actually, I was surprised by that "strange" translation, too. It was a
Fallberg - Paul Murry story, around 1963 - 64, maybe with Mounties, maybe
mooses or sort of. It shouldn't be difficult to identify it.
I had a Murry story in mind, too... one from the late 60es, as Marco points
out. I'll check tonight, but I think the choice is restricted to 2
candidates only:
- W WDC 336-05+ The River Pirates ("Topolino pioniere del vapore", in TL
700)
or, more likely,
- W MM 122-01 The Moose Monster Mystery ("Topolino e il divoratore di
pelli", in TL 733)
'til later,
Armando
Paolo Castagno
R: Pete
Message 125 -
2001-01-16 at 18:56:53
Luca Boschi wrote:
> In the early 60s everyone
> still uses it. See, TOPOLINO E LA DROGA DIABOLICA
Or for "Topolino e la polvere diabolica", since the word "droga"
(drug) is not allowable by current Disney system, and has been
changed... and it isn't the only censor that the story had to
suffer... :-(
And if you look in Inducks at
http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?I+TL+236-B
you'll also find that other countries didn't use the word
"droga", but "poudre" (France) or something related to hypnotism.
- Paolo
--
http://members.xoom.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
"Protesto! Io dico che... glub!"
""Glub"? Non mi sembra un gran concetto!"
(Paperoga e Paperino in I TL 1605-A)
> In the early 60s everyone
> still uses it. See, TOPOLINO E LA DROGA DIABOLICA
Or for "Topolino e la polvere diabolica", since the word "droga"
(drug) is not allowable by current Disney system, and has been
changed... and it isn't the only censor that the story had to
suffer... :-(
And if you look in Inducks at
http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?I+TL+236-B
you'll also find that other countries didn't use the word
"droga", but "poudre" (France) or something related to hypnotism.
- Paolo
--
http://members.xoom.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
"Protesto! Io dico che... glub!"
""Glub"? Non mi sembra un gran concetto!"
(Paperoga e Paperino in I TL 1605-A)
Søren Krarup Olesen
R: Pete
Message 126 -
2001-01-16 at 19:18:23
MARCO + LUCA:
Funny this discussion about Pete's leg. The first time I saw his wooden
leg in a comic story was (believe it or not) in Capitanio's "Pippo
allevatore" (I TL 271-B) from 1961. Luciano must have been the only
Italian using the concept this late, and there is no trace of it in
his "Topolino e le vacanze invernali" (I TL 311-A) which was published
only a few months later...
Do we have later occurances of Pete's peg leg in Italy?
Søren
Funny this discussion about Pete's leg. The first time I saw his wooden
leg in a comic story was (believe it or not) in Capitanio's "Pippo
allevatore" (I TL 271-B) from 1961. Luciano must have been the only
Italian using the concept this late, and there is no trace of it in
his "Topolino e le vacanze invernali" (I TL 311-A) which was published
only a few months later...
Do we have later occurances of Pete's peg leg in Italy?
Søren
Paolo Castagno
R: Pete
Message 127 -
2001-01-16 at 20:41:38
Luca Boschi wrote:
> In the early 60s everyone
> still uses it. See, TOPOLINO E LA DROGA DIABOLICA
Or for "Topolino e la polvere diabolica", since the word "droga"
(drug) is not allowable by current Disney system, and has been
changed... and it isn't the only censor that the story had to
suffer... :-(
And if you look in Inducks at
http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?I+TL+236-B
you'll also find that other countries didn't use the word
"droga", but "poudre" (France) or something related to hypnotism.
- Paolo
--
http://members.xoom.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
"Protesto! Io dico che... glub!"
""Glub"? Non mi sembra un gran concetto!"
(Paperoga e Paperino in I TL 1605-A)
> In the early 60s everyone
> still uses it. See, TOPOLINO E LA DROGA DIABOLICA
Or for "Topolino e la polvere diabolica", since the word "droga"
(drug) is not allowable by current Disney system, and has been
changed... and it isn't the only censor that the story had to
suffer... :-(
And if you look in Inducks at
http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?I+TL+236-B
you'll also find that other countries didn't use the word
"droga", but "poudre" (France) or something related to hypnotism.
- Paolo
--
http://members.xoom.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
"Protesto! Io dico che... glub!"
""Glub"? Non mi sembra un gran concetto!"
(Paperoga e Paperino in I TL 1605-A)
Luca Boschi
Black Pierre
Message 128 -
2001-01-17 at 01:48:39
Hi, Armando!
>> Luca:
>>> Actually, I was surprised by that "strange" translation, too. It was a
>> Fallberg - Paul Murry story, around 1963 - 64, maybe with Mounties, maybe
>> mooses or sort of. It shouldn't be difficult to identify it.
>>
>> I had a Murry story in mind, too... one from the late 60es, as Marco points
>> out. I'll check tonight, but I think the choice is restricted to 2
>> candidates only:
>> - W WDC 336-05+ The River Pirates ("Topolino pioniere del vapore", in TL
>> 700)
>> or, more likely,
>> - W MM 122-01 The Moose Monster Mystery ("Topolino e il divoratore di
>> pelli", in TL 733)
They aren't.
I checked and I found it... But maybe we'll be surprised. The Murry story,
published in TL 438 (1964) was translated into TOPOLINO E LA STRANA
UBIQUITA', and there are Mounties (but NOT any mooses, sorry...). It's
setted in a "sort of Canada", maybe not far from Hidden River, since Black
Pete (Black Pierre in the original version), this time, in Italy, is called
"*PIERRE* il nero". Obviously a mistake of the translator, sice in the other
stories, that villain was Pietro Gambadilegno all the time. Or maybe that he
has a fake identity this time too? Hmmm... Something doesn't fit.
The story you wrote about is this one, Marco?
Luca
>> Luca:
>>> Actually, I was surprised by that "strange" translation, too. It was a
>> Fallberg - Paul Murry story, around 1963 - 64, maybe with Mounties, maybe
>> mooses or sort of. It shouldn't be difficult to identify it.
>>
>> I had a Murry story in mind, too... one from the late 60es, as Marco points
>> out. I'll check tonight, but I think the choice is restricted to 2
>> candidates only:
>> - W WDC 336-05+ The River Pirates ("Topolino pioniere del vapore", in TL
>> 700)
>> or, more likely,
>> - W MM 122-01 The Moose Monster Mystery ("Topolino e il divoratore di
>> pelli", in TL 733)
They aren't.
I checked and I found it... But maybe we'll be surprised. The Murry story,
published in TL 438 (1964) was translated into TOPOLINO E LA STRANA
UBIQUITA', and there are Mounties (but NOT any mooses, sorry...). It's
setted in a "sort of Canada", maybe not far from Hidden River, since Black
Pete (Black Pierre in the original version), this time, in Italy, is called
"*PIERRE* il nero". Obviously a mistake of the translator, sice in the other
stories, that villain was Pietro Gambadilegno all the time. Or maybe that he
has a fake identity this time too? Hmmm... Something doesn't fit.
The story you wrote about is this one, Marco?
Luca
Luca Boschi
R: R: Pete
Message 129 -
2001-01-17 at 05:21:33
Hi, S?ren!
> MARCO + LUCA:
>
> Funny this discussion about Pete's leg. The first time I saw his wooden
> leg in a comic story was (believe it or not) in Capitanio's "Pippo
> allevatore" (I TL 271-B) from 1961. Luciano must have been the only
> Italian using the concept this late
You're right. All of 'em stops to do it in late 1960. The previous story
with Pete's peg-leg is drawn by Carpi in TL 249 B. But in his story
published before this one, Pete had not the wooden leg anymore (T e i pirati
del mar Giallo, TL 247 - 248).
Bye!
L.
> MARCO + LUCA:
>
> Funny this discussion about Pete's leg. The first time I saw his wooden
> leg in a comic story was (believe it or not) in Capitanio's "Pippo
> allevatore" (I TL 271-B) from 1961. Luciano must have been the only
> Italian using the concept this late
You're right. All of 'em stops to do it in late 1960. The previous story
with Pete's peg-leg is drawn by Carpi in TL 249 B. But in his story
published before this one, Pete had not the wooden leg anymore (T e i pirati
del mar Giallo, TL 247 - 248).
Bye!
L.
Botto Armando
Black Pierre
Message 130 -
2001-01-17 at 10:21:31
Hi, Luca and all!
Yesterday I wrote:
> >> I had a Murry story in mind, too... one from the late 60es, as Marco
points
> >> out. I'll check tonight, but I think the choice is restricted to 2
> >> candidates only:
> >> - W WDC 336-05+ The River Pirates ("Topolino pioniere del vapore", in
TL 700)
> >> or, more likely,
> >> - W MM 122-01 The Moose Monster Mystery ("Topolino e il divoratore di
> >> pelli", in TL 733)
> They aren't.
Of course you're right! Pete doesn't even appear in W MM 122-01...
I checked the Inducks, and
W WDC 277-07 Undercover Mountie (1963-10)
seemed a likely choice. I couldn't check, however, as I don't have the
Italian reprint... but you write:
> The Murry story,
> published in TL 438 (1964) was translated into TOPOLINO E LA STRANA
UBIQUITA'
... and that's indeed W WDC 277-07 ;-)
Ciao,
Armando
Yesterday I wrote:
> >> I had a Murry story in mind, too... one from the late 60es, as Marco
points
> >> out. I'll check tonight, but I think the choice is restricted to 2
> >> candidates only:
> >> - W WDC 336-05+ The River Pirates ("Topolino pioniere del vapore", in
TL 700)
> >> or, more likely,
> >> - W MM 122-01 The Moose Monster Mystery ("Topolino e il divoratore di
> >> pelli", in TL 733)
> They aren't.
Of course you're right! Pete doesn't even appear in W MM 122-01...
I checked the Inducks, and
W WDC 277-07 Undercover Mountie (1963-10)
seemed a likely choice. I couldn't check, however, as I don't have the
Italian reprint... but you write:
> The Murry story,
> published in TL 438 (1964) was translated into TOPOLINO E LA STRANA
UBIQUITA'
... and that's indeed W WDC 277-07 ;-)
Ciao,
Armando
DGE
DCML digest, Vol 1 #379 - 8 msgs
Message 131 -
2001-01-17 at 13:19:07
I can see it now...
Sylvester Shyster: "Thunderation, Pete! What's there to get so
*excited* about?"
Eli Squinch: "Aye! I was winnin' th' chess game till *you* came in,
goldarn ye!"
Black Pete: ">Pant! Pant!< No funny bizness! Yuh'll never believe
it, swabs, but..."
Shyster: "It couldn't be!"
Pete: "Yeah! >Har!< But it *is!*"
Shyster: "It *is*? *It* is? But it would take *incredible*
planning..."
Squinch: "An' ye ain't got the brains, ye consarned fat fool!"
Shyster: "...to actually get *rid* of Mickey Mouse for *good*! Pete,
I'm pleasantly surprised! Take off your hat, Eli! I'll pour the champagne,
and we'll drink in memory of-"
Pete: "Naw, dat ain't it! Gang, I just took over thuh *Disney comics
mailin' list*! Every message in thuh last digest wuz about me, see? Nuthin'
fer nobuddy else! I never saw nuthin' like it before, an' I just thought I'd
bust in an' tell yuh, guys..."
[pause]
Pete: "Guys?!"
[sounds of loud fighting as the others attack Pete]
David Gerstein
(not acting in professional capacity today)
Sylvester Shyster: "Thunderation, Pete! What's there to get so
*excited* about?"
Eli Squinch: "Aye! I was winnin' th' chess game till *you* came in,
goldarn ye!"
Black Pete: ">Pant! Pant!< No funny bizness! Yuh'll never believe
it, swabs, but..."
Shyster: "It couldn't be!"
Pete: "Yeah! >Har!< But it *is!*"
Shyster: "It *is*? *It* is? But it would take *incredible*
planning..."
Squinch: "An' ye ain't got the brains, ye consarned fat fool!"
Shyster: "...to actually get *rid* of Mickey Mouse for *good*! Pete,
I'm pleasantly surprised! Take off your hat, Eli! I'll pour the champagne,
and we'll drink in memory of-"
Pete: "Naw, dat ain't it! Gang, I just took over thuh *Disney comics
mailin' list*! Every message in thuh last digest wuz about me, see? Nuthin'
fer nobuddy else! I never saw nuthin' like it before, an' I just thought I'd
bust in an' tell yuh, guys..."
[pause]
Pete: "Guys?!"
[sounds of loud fighting as the others attack Pete]
David Gerstein
(not acting in professional capacity today)
Fluks, H.W.
Meeting in Copenhagen
Message 132 -
2001-01-17 at 17:27:26
On Saturday, January 27, I will be in Copenhagen at David Gerstein's place.
We'll be having a little "mailing list convention". David describes it this
way:
<<
We could take a scenic tour of some comic shops (not to mention the rest of
what passes for this beautiful city during the winter months), go get a good
dinner, then try an evening back at my house, with some vintage cartoons.
>>
At least five DCML members (Swedish, Danish, and Dutch) will be there.
Anyone interested is welcome to join us. Contact David about it!
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
"Yeah... I've *heard* of coral barques!"
We'll be having a little "mailing list convention". David describes it this
way:
<<
We could take a scenic tour of some comic shops (not to mention the rest of
what passes for this beautiful city during the winter months), go get a good
dinner, then try an evening back at my house, with some vintage cartoons.
>>
At least five DCML members (Swedish, Danish, and Dutch) will be there.
Anyone interested is welcome to join us. Contact David about it!
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
"Yeah... I've *heard* of coral barques!"
RMorris306
More About Pete
Message 133 -
2001-01-18 at 04:39:04
Quite an interesting discussion here! I heard, by the way, that Disney
eventually decided even "Black Pete" was too politically incorrect (making
him sound like an African-American), so they experimented with other
sobriquets like "Big Bad Pete" before settling on just plain Pete.
(Especially since he isn't always a total villain in more recent animation;
the GOOF TROOP TV series and its two spinoff movies has Pete and Goofy as
sometimes argumentative but basically friendly neighbors with sons who are
best friends.)
In the comics, could Murry's story have been an adaptation of Gottfredson's
"The Mystery at Hidden River?" That was the comic strip story in which Pete
first appeared with two legs (following the cartoons), though it was
explained as an artificial leg, which was why he sometimes has the peg in
later Gottfredson stories and sometimes doesn't. He also used the alias
Pierre de la Pooch in that story (a surprising one since it seems to hint
he's a dog, like most of the other Disney characters...even though he's more
often considered to be a cat); "Pierre" of course being the French equivalent
of the English name Peter (for which Pete is a diminuitive), as "Pietro" is
in Italian. Which could be why he has that name in the Murry story, whether
it's an adaptation of the Gottfredson story or (as was sometimes the case) a
sequel to it.
This whole discussion perhaps explains that the Italian writers and artists
take story-to-story consistency much more seriously than the Americans (with
a few exceptions like Barks, Gottfredson, and Rosa) ever did. One Scarpa
story reprinted by Gladstone picked up on that point; it had Mickey and Pete
in such an intense swordfight that ALL their clothes were torn to
pieces...including Pete's artificial leg, so he and Mickey were both standing
their in the altogether (no naughty bits, of course...) complete with Pete's
peg! (The only exception being their gloves, which I can hardly remember ever
seeing them take off, even to sleep...though Mickey did so once when he went
swimming in an early strip written by Walt Disney, no less. True, the gloves
would probably have been protected by the swords' hilts, but what about their
other hands? Ah, well...)
Rich Morrissey
eventually decided even "Black Pete" was too politically incorrect (making
him sound like an African-American), so they experimented with other
sobriquets like "Big Bad Pete" before settling on just plain Pete.
(Especially since he isn't always a total villain in more recent animation;
the GOOF TROOP TV series and its two spinoff movies has Pete and Goofy as
sometimes argumentative but basically friendly neighbors with sons who are
best friends.)
In the comics, could Murry's story have been an adaptation of Gottfredson's
"The Mystery at Hidden River?" That was the comic strip story in which Pete
first appeared with two legs (following the cartoons), though it was
explained as an artificial leg, which was why he sometimes has the peg in
later Gottfredson stories and sometimes doesn't. He also used the alias
Pierre de la Pooch in that story (a surprising one since it seems to hint
he's a dog, like most of the other Disney characters...even though he's more
often considered to be a cat); "Pierre" of course being the French equivalent
of the English name Peter (for which Pete is a diminuitive), as "Pietro" is
in Italian. Which could be why he has that name in the Murry story, whether
it's an adaptation of the Gottfredson story or (as was sometimes the case) a
sequel to it.
This whole discussion perhaps explains that the Italian writers and artists
take story-to-story consistency much more seriously than the Americans (with
a few exceptions like Barks, Gottfredson, and Rosa) ever did. One Scarpa
story reprinted by Gladstone picked up on that point; it had Mickey and Pete
in such an intense swordfight that ALL their clothes were torn to
pieces...including Pete's artificial leg, so he and Mickey were both standing
their in the altogether (no naughty bits, of course...) complete with Pete's
peg! (The only exception being their gloves, which I can hardly remember ever
seeing them take off, even to sleep...though Mickey did so once when he went
swimming in an early strip written by Walt Disney, no less. True, the gloves
would probably have been protected by the swords' hilts, but what about their
other hands? Ah, well...)
Rich Morrissey
Fluks, H.W.
Rich: More About Pete
Message 134 -
2001-01-18 at 12:56:32
Rich:
> This whole discussion perhaps explains that the Italian
> writers and artists
> take story-to-story consistency much more seriously than the
> Americans (with
> a few exceptions like Barks, Gottfredson, and Rosa) ever did.
I think it's much simpler. It's in the name: the Italian name of Pete is
still "peg-leg", so they are constantly reminded of the fact that he has (or
used to have) a peg leg.
A similar thing happened to Scrooge: because of his name McDuck, even new
(American) writers knew about Scrooge's Scottish descent.
I *do* think that people like Scarpa put extra effort in making consistent
stories. But that doesn't necessarily go for other Italian writers.
> One Scarpa
> story reprinted by Gladstone picked up on that point; it had
> Mickey and Pete
> in such an intense swordfight that ALL their clothes were torn to
> pieces...
Yes, that is the Tapiocus story: we discussed it here a few days ago.
--Harry.
(Ventilator of Shoe)
(http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/bolderbast - new layout)
> This whole discussion perhaps explains that the Italian
> writers and artists
> take story-to-story consistency much more seriously than the
> Americans (with
> a few exceptions like Barks, Gottfredson, and Rosa) ever did.
I think it's much simpler. It's in the name: the Italian name of Pete is
still "peg-leg", so they are constantly reminded of the fact that he has (or
used to have) a peg leg.
A similar thing happened to Scrooge: because of his name McDuck, even new
(American) writers knew about Scrooge's Scottish descent.
I *do* think that people like Scarpa put extra effort in making consistent
stories. But that doesn't necessarily go for other Italian writers.
> One Scarpa
> story reprinted by Gladstone picked up on that point; it had
> Mickey and Pete
> in such an intense swordfight that ALL their clothes were torn to
> pieces...
Yes, that is the Tapiocus story: we discussed it here a few days ago.
--Harry.
(Ventilator of Shoe)
(http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/bolderbast - new layout)
Pertti.Ruismaki
Character profiles?
Message 135 -
2001-01-18 at 13:15:17
How well are Disney's comics characters standardized? Are there any official
character profiles, that describe how each character should be drawn, how they
should behave etc.? Or are there just the long tradition and various unwritten
rules?
For instance, what is the official color of the stripes in Donald's shirt. I've
seen both blue and yellow stripes. Original Mickey wore no shirt, but later he
started to wear one, until recently Mickey started to appear without a shirt in
new stories.
-Pertti Ruism?ki
Helsinki, Finland
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character profiles, that describe how each character should be drawn, how they
should behave etc.? Or are there just the long tradition and various unwritten
rules?
For instance, what is the official color of the stripes in Donald's shirt. I've
seen both blue and yellow stripes. Original Mickey wore no shirt, but later he
started to wear one, until recently Mickey started to appear without a shirt in
new stories.
-Pertti Ruism?ki
Helsinki, Finland
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