The inhabitants of Duckburg generally have four fingers
(unless stress situations cause them to develop spontaneous
polydactylism, as can be seen in a couple of even Barks
stories, where Donald on a couple of occasions can be seen
having five fingers). For civilisations with four fingers
per hand one might speculate that the inhabitants would
develop the octal rather than the decimal number system.
Perhaps Scrooge counts his money in an octal way, for example.
I think I remember seeing, some 20 years ago, a cover on
the Norwegian weekly Donald Duck & Co., where Mickey is shown
(on a green background), close to a telephone, with *eight*
rather than ten slots (we are talking pre-digital, circle,
manual telephones here, of course).
Can anyone confirm this, and ideally provide a reference?
Nils Lid Hjort
Author
Topic: 200101
(249 messages)
Nils Lid Hjort
Reference needed
Message 181 -
2001-01-24 at 14:18:54
Fernando Ventura
I'm sorry!!!
Message 182 -
2001-01-25 at 03:16:57
I'm sorry for my last message!!! For some reason, my stupid computer think I
am on 1980!!!! And it's inpossible, since I was BORN on 1980!!! So, if
someone around here take a look on the DCML archives, and see this stupid
year, you can be sure it is my fault!!!
I'm so sorry, again!
Fernando!
am on 1980!!!! And it's inpossible, since I was BORN on 1980!!! So, if
someone around here take a look on the DCML archives, and see this stupid
year, you can be sure it is my fault!!!
I'm so sorry, again!
Fernando!
Mike Pohjola
Those liberal scot warriors
Message 183 -
2001-01-25 at 03:39:46
The Finnish weekly Aku Ankka has a great web page at
http://www.akuankka.fi/ . Recently they've added all kinds of great stuff
including quizes, a FAQ, a character gallery etc. Now, they even have the
family tree made after Don Rosa's model.
For some reason they're not using the entire Rosa art, but just the
faces in circles. These they've tied together with computer created tree
branches with noose like knots signifying a (married) couple that has
kids.
Now, you remember how Scrooge's ancestry was pretty much just thrown in
with no branches to properly connect them. Well, in this version they have
(obviously just to tie them in with the way the decided to depict the
tree) Sir Roast, Sir Swamphole, Seafoam, Malcolm and Sir Quackly as
siblings. And their parents are none other than... Sir Stuft and Sir Eider
McDuck.
I'd just like to be the first one to express my full support to Aku Ankka
for making such a powerful statement. I'm not yet sure if this means that
Sir Eider or Sir Stuft was a female trasvestite or that they were both
male and just adopted the kids (possibly from their own previous
marriages). I think only Sir Roast looks like he could be Sir Stuft's
offspring, though.
Mike Pohjola
mikep at iki.fi +358-50-5238399 http://www.iki.fi/mikep
http://www.akuankka.fi/ . Recently they've added all kinds of great stuff
including quizes, a FAQ, a character gallery etc. Now, they even have the
family tree made after Don Rosa's model.
For some reason they're not using the entire Rosa art, but just the
faces in circles. These they've tied together with computer created tree
branches with noose like knots signifying a (married) couple that has
kids.
Now, you remember how Scrooge's ancestry was pretty much just thrown in
with no branches to properly connect them. Well, in this version they have
(obviously just to tie them in with the way the decided to depict the
tree) Sir Roast, Sir Swamphole, Seafoam, Malcolm and Sir Quackly as
siblings. And their parents are none other than... Sir Stuft and Sir Eider
McDuck.
I'd just like to be the first one to express my full support to Aku Ankka
for making such a powerful statement. I'm not yet sure if this means that
Sir Eider or Sir Stuft was a female trasvestite or that they were both
male and just adopted the kids (possibly from their own previous
marriages). I think only Sir Roast looks like he could be Sir Stuft's
offspring, though.
Mike Pohjola
mikep at iki.fi +358-50-5238399 http://www.iki.fi/mikep
Kristian PEDERSEN
Four or five fingers
Message 184 -
2001-01-25 at 13:53:21
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nils Lid Hjort [SMTP:nils at math.uio.no]
> Sent: mercredi 24 janvier 2001 13:19
> To: dcomics at strindberg.ling.uu.se
> Subject: reference needed
>
>
> The inhabitants of Duckburg generally have four fingers
> (unless stress situations cause them to develop spontaneous
> polydactylism, as can be seen in a couple of even Barks
> stories, where Donald on a couple of occasions can be seen
> having five fingers). For civilisations with four fingers
> per hand one might speculate that the inhabitants would
> develop the octal rather than the decimal number system.
> Perhaps Scrooge counts his money in an octal way, for example.
>
-- Now it would be really interesting if we checked all the speech bubbles
in the stories and never found any instances of the digits "8" and "9", so
that the numbers we see are actually represented in octal notation! That
would probably mean that Scrooge is much less rich than we've assumed.
Sadly, even off the top of my head I can recall stories - such as
The Pixilated Parrot - that proves the theory wrong. But of course, it could
be that Scrooge really *thinks* in the octal system, and that the numbers in
the bubbles are just translated for the reader's benefit :)
Strangely, the inhabitants of Tralla La have five fingers per hand.
Kristian
> From: Nils Lid Hjort [SMTP:nils at math.uio.no]
> Sent: mercredi 24 janvier 2001 13:19
> To: dcomics at strindberg.ling.uu.se
> Subject: reference needed
>
>
> The inhabitants of Duckburg generally have four fingers
> (unless stress situations cause them to develop spontaneous
> polydactylism, as can be seen in a couple of even Barks
> stories, where Donald on a couple of occasions can be seen
> having five fingers). For civilisations with four fingers
> per hand one might speculate that the inhabitants would
> develop the octal rather than the decimal number system.
> Perhaps Scrooge counts his money in an octal way, for example.
>
-- Now it would be really interesting if we checked all the speech bubbles
in the stories and never found any instances of the digits "8" and "9", so
that the numbers we see are actually represented in octal notation! That
would probably mean that Scrooge is much less rich than we've assumed.
Sadly, even off the top of my head I can recall stories - such as
The Pixilated Parrot - that proves the theory wrong. But of course, it could
be that Scrooge really *thinks* in the octal system, and that the numbers in
the bubbles are just translated for the reader's benefit :)
Strangely, the inhabitants of Tralla La have five fingers per hand.
Kristian
Kevin Clark
Scrooge's assets (was Four or five fingers)
Message 185 -
2001-01-25 at 14:35:22
>From: Kristian PEDERSEN <K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com>
>To: dcomics at strindberg.ling.uu.se
>Subject: Four or five fingers
>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:53:21 +0100
>
>
>That
>would probably mean that Scrooge is much less rich than we've assumed.
I remember some wiseacre American Scrooge fan sending a letter to Gladstone
Comics (I think) in which he computed the actual cash capacity of the Money
Bin.
He exposed Scrooge as a paltry trillionaire.
Is it just me, or was he wrong to do so?
Yours,
Kevin Clark
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>To: dcomics at strindberg.ling.uu.se
>Subject: Four or five fingers
>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:53:21 +0100
>
>
>That
>would probably mean that Scrooge is much less rich than we've assumed.
I remember some wiseacre American Scrooge fan sending a letter to Gladstone
Comics (I think) in which he computed the actual cash capacity of the Money
Bin.
He exposed Scrooge as a paltry trillionaire.
Is it just me, or was he wrong to do so?
Yours,
Kevin Clark
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Kenneth Glendinning
Scrooge's assets
Message 186 -
2001-01-25 at 15:24:01
There is no way to guess scrooge's wealth as it has been changed so meny
times by so meny artists (writers).
One says he has only the bin others say he has more money bins.
And in the life and times of scrooge mcduck it says he has much more in
banks and more across the globe.
Also Scrooge may not only have cash in the money bin but other valued items
such as treasure diamonds etc.
>
>That
>would probably mean that Scrooge is much less rich than we've assumed.
I remember some wiseacre American Scrooge fan sending a letter to Gladstone
Comics (I think) in which he computed the actual cash capacity of the Money
Bin.
He exposed Scrooge as a paltry trillionaire.
Is it just me, or was he wrong to do so?
Yours,
Kevin Clark
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times by so meny artists (writers).
One says he has only the bin others say he has more money bins.
And in the life and times of scrooge mcduck it says he has much more in
banks and more across the globe.
Also Scrooge may not only have cash in the money bin but other valued items
such as treasure diamonds etc.
>
>That
>would probably mean that Scrooge is much less rich than we've assumed.
I remember some wiseacre American Scrooge fan sending a letter to Gladstone
Comics (I think) in which he computed the actual cash capacity of the Money
Bin.
He exposed Scrooge as a paltry trillionaire.
Is it just me, or was he wrong to do so?
Yours,
Kevin Clark
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François Willot
Cover Sketches again
Message 187 -
2001-01-25 at 17:03:22
Here is a second page with some of Bob Foster's sketches:
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/div/at/bfo2.php
Note: on page one, I also added a scan of a Brazilian Hercules story that
Fernando sent me (thanks Fernando!). This may be one of those that Bob
Foster wrote. In any case, this is something rare outside South America (I
know some of these stories were published in Holland, but they're not in
France).
Fernando:
>I hope to see (on the future!)some examples of the comic strip work! Thanks
>to Bob and Fran?ois!
I would be glad to see some as well, but Bob said he is moving, so maybe not
right now.
One of these sketches (with Frank Smith's original) was printed in the
Italian book "La produzione Sindacata" by Boschi and Becattini, by the way.
Francois
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/div/at/bfo2.php
Note: on page one, I also added a scan of a Brazilian Hercules story that
Fernando sent me (thanks Fernando!). This may be one of those that Bob
Foster wrote. In any case, this is something rare outside South America (I
know some of these stories were published in Holland, but they're not in
France).
Fernando:
>I hope to see (on the future!)some examples of the comic strip work! Thanks
>to Bob and Fran?ois!
I would be glad to see some as well, but Bob said he is moving, so maybe not
right now.
One of these sketches (with Frank Smith's original) was printed in the
Italian book "La produzione Sindacata" by Boschi and Becattini, by the way.
Francois
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Kenneth: new site
Message 188 -
2001-01-25 at 17:10:26
HARRY FLUKS to KENNETH GLENDINNING, 23-01-2001:
>> I did warn you that it is still being worked on [comma] I still
>> do not know what format to put it in [comma] I was hop[]ing
>> for a little input but not m[a]ny people have told me
>> any[no space]thing helpful[one l only]
> This mailing list is about Disney comics. Not about the basics of
> designing a web page.
This mailing list also isn't about attacking other people's sites,
neither about spelling correcting.
Also, why do you make a point about the looks and contents of Kenneth's
website while you don't want him or others to answer that in detail?
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
>> I did warn you that it is still being worked on [comma] I still
>> do not know what format to put it in [comma] I was hop[]ing
>> for a little input but not m[a]ny people have told me
>> any[no space]thing helpful[one l only]
> This mailing list is about Disney comics. Not about the basics of
> designing a web page.
This mailing list also isn't about attacking other people's sites,
neither about spelling correcting.
Also, why do you make a point about the looks and contents of Kenneth's
website while you don't want him or others to answer that in detail?
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
François Willot
Four or five fingers
Message 189 -
2001-01-25 at 17:13:03
>From: Kristian PEDERSEN <K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com>
> -- Now it would be really interesting if we checked all the speech bubbles
> in the stories and never found any instances of the digits "8" and "9", so
> that the numbers we see are actually represented in octal notation!
That would solve quite a big problem in the Scrooge timeline. This would
explain why Scrooge can be so active at 100 years old since he would
actually be 64...
BTW, in "Christmas for Schacktown", in the panel where Donald points his
finger to Scrooge, we see 5 fingers.
> -- Now it would be really interesting if we checked all the speech bubbles
> in the stories and never found any instances of the digits "8" and "9", so
> that the numbers we see are actually represented in octal notation!
That would solve quite a big problem in the Scrooge timeline. This would
explain why Scrooge can be so active at 100 years old since he would
actually be 64...
BTW, in "Christmas for Schacktown", in the panel where Donald points his
finger to Scrooge, we see 5 fingers.
Luca Boschi
R: Cover Sketches again
Message 190 -
2001-01-25 at 20:47:26
Bob...
> I would be glad to see some as well, but Bob said he is moving, so maybe not
> right now.
> One of these sketches (with Frank Smith's original) was printed in the
> Italian book "La produzione Sindacata" by Boschi and Becattini, by the way.
Yes, we got some pages in xerox form, in the early 80s. also some who were
not drawn (rejected). If I well remember, I got some froma our friend Klaus
Strzys, who interviewed Bob during his trip to California (with Barks,
Babbitt, Bradbury, Strobl). It exsist a very welle done book with these
interviews and pictures, called "The Empire of Maus" something of similar, I
have it somewhere... With an Urich Schroeder MM cover.
Very rare...
L.
> I would be glad to see some as well, but Bob said he is moving, so maybe not
> right now.
> One of these sketches (with Frank Smith's original) was printed in the
> Italian book "La produzione Sindacata" by Boschi and Becattini, by the way.
Yes, we got some pages in xerox form, in the early 80s. also some who were
not drawn (rejected). If I well remember, I got some froma our friend Klaus
Strzys, who interviewed Bob during his trip to California (with Barks,
Babbitt, Bradbury, Strobl). It exsist a very welle done book with these
interviews and pictures, called "The Empire of Maus" something of similar, I
have it somewhere... With an Urich Schroeder MM cover.
Very rare...
L.
Henri Kunne
Reference needed
Message 191 -
2001-01-25 at 23:25:47
At 12:03 25-1-01, Nils wrote:
>The inhabitants of Duckburg generally have four fingers
>(unless stress situations cause them to develop spontaneous
>polydactylism, as can be seen in a couple of even Barks
>stories, where Donald on a couple of occasions can be seen
>having five fingers).
Guess I'm a poor onlooker, but I cannot rememer even having
seen such a thing in a Barks story! Can't you give examples?
I want to look them up, I'm fond of this kind of curios.
Henri
>The inhabitants of Duckburg generally have four fingers
>(unless stress situations cause them to develop spontaneous
>polydactylism, as can be seen in a couple of even Barks
>stories, where Donald on a couple of occasions can be seen
>having five fingers).
Guess I'm a poor onlooker, but I cannot rememer even having
seen such a thing in a Barks story! Can't you give examples?
I want to look them up, I'm fond of this kind of curios.
Henri
Becca Ridout
Scrooge's assets
Message 192 -
2001-01-25 at 23:28:04
I remeber that letter. I think the guy who did that was more interested in
the problem that Scrooge's bin is square, but supposedly holds 3 cubic acres
(which geometrically doesn't work). His main conclusion was that there must
be a large underground level...
anyway, kenneth's right, it's impossible to calculate how much he has due to
money in banks, assets, etc...
rebecca
>>>>>>>>
There is no way to guess scrooge's wealth as it has been changed so meny
times by so meny artists (writers).
One says he has only the bin others say he has more money bins.
And in the life and times of scrooge mcduck it says he has much more in
banks and more across the globe.
Also Scrooge may not only have cash in the money bin but other valued items
such as treasure diamonds etc.
>
>That
>would probably mean that Scrooge is much less rich than we've assumed.
I remember some wiseacre American Scrooge fan sending a letter to Gladstone
Comics (I think) in which he computed the actual cash capacity of the Money
Bin.
He exposed Scrooge as a paltry trillionaire.
Is it just me, or was he wrong to do so?
Yours,
Kevin Clark
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the problem that Scrooge's bin is square, but supposedly holds 3 cubic acres
(which geometrically doesn't work). His main conclusion was that there must
be a large underground level...
anyway, kenneth's right, it's impossible to calculate how much he has due to
money in banks, assets, etc...
rebecca
>>>>>>>>
There is no way to guess scrooge's wealth as it has been changed so meny
times by so meny artists (writers).
One says he has only the bin others say he has more money bins.
And in the life and times of scrooge mcduck it says he has much more in
banks and more across the globe.
Also Scrooge may not only have cash in the money bin but other valued items
such as treasure diamonds etc.
>
>That
>would probably mean that Scrooge is much less rich than we've assumed.
I remember some wiseacre American Scrooge fan sending a letter to Gladstone
Comics (I think) in which he computed the actual cash capacity of the Money
Bin.
He exposed Scrooge as a paltry trillionaire.
Is it just me, or was he wrong to do so?
Yours,
Kevin Clark
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Sigve Jacob
Where's scrooge??
Message 193 -
2001-01-26 at 14:25:41
Hi, I'm just a young norwegian student living in Rouen in France who is wondering
how to buy Don's great "the life and times of scrooge mcduck" in the original
written language, I've already searched for it at Amazon.com and others without
finding it. Is there anyone here who could send me a helpful word??
excuse me for interrupting you, thanks!!!
je vous prie de croire en l'expression de mes sentiments respectueux.
F? din egen Postkassa adresse - http://www.postkassa.no
how to buy Don's great "the life and times of scrooge mcduck" in the original
written language, I've already searched for it at Amazon.com and others without
finding it. Is there anyone here who could send me a helpful word??
excuse me for interrupting you, thanks!!!
je vous prie de croire en l'expression de mes sentiments respectueux.
F? din egen Postkassa adresse - http://www.postkassa.no
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Five fingers in Shacktown?
Message 194 -
2001-01-26 at 17:25:17
FRANCOIS WILLOT, 25-01-2001:
> BTW, in "Christmas for Schacktown", in the panel where Donald
> points his finger to Scrooge, we see 5 fingers.
Do you mean panel 27.7 in which Donald points at Scrooge having
breakfast? I've checked the Carl Barks Library but I see only
four fingers. Am I looking at the wrong place or has this 'error'
been 'corrected' by the CBL editors?
One known instance in which a CBL reprint was 'corrected' is
"Bongo On The Congo". In the last panel Donald originally was
wearing glasses. In the CBL the glasses are removed.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
> BTW, in "Christmas for Schacktown", in the panel where Donald
> points his finger to Scrooge, we see 5 fingers.
Do you mean panel 27.7 in which Donald points at Scrooge having
breakfast? I've checked the Carl Barks Library but I see only
four fingers. Am I looking at the wrong place or has this 'error'
been 'corrected' by the CBL editors?
One known instance in which a CBL reprint was 'corrected' is
"Bongo On The Congo". In the last panel Donald originally was
wearing glasses. In the CBL the glasses are removed.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
Nils Lid Hjort
Four or five; octal systems; polydactylism
Message 195 -
2001-01-26 at 17:41:58
Kristian Pedersen, Kevin Clark and Francois Willot
speculated & wondered about the four or five fingers
question in the last digest. In my
"Mathematics in Duckburg"
lecture today I indeed gave some attention to this,
since it is so basic to counting, which again is
at the heart of mathematics.
1. Since the inhabitants of the Duckburg universe seem
to have four fingers per hand, one might speculate
that their counting system is octal rather than
decimal in nature. -- I gave two examples;
. Donald's car registration number is "313",
which however could mean "car number 203"
in our system.
. Today is January 26. In Duckburg octal notation this
would however be January 32.
2. There are examples where a person suddenly and for a
short time develops an extraneous finger, typically
under stressful circumstances. This would be known as
"spontaneous polydactilism". I've spotted several examples.
(This is also discussed in an article some years ago in
the German "Der Donaldist".)
. Gyro Gearloose, in the "Firefly tracker" story, US 27/1959;
check the "Hey!... That's it! Fireflies!" picture.
. Donald, in the "Midget racers" story, WD 166/1954;
check the "Oh, my stars! ..." picture.
. Donald, in the "Omelet" story, WD 146/1952;
check the "Umteen tons of feed ..." picture.
Again, there are many other instances, also for other
inhabitants, in Barks stories.
3. How many molecules are there on Planet Earth? Admiration
and envy to the first on this list who can give a ballpark
figure for this. Anyway, Donald estimates Scrooge's fortune
as something like 0.5 * 10^78 + 0.16 dollars, a pretty
hefty amount. My curiosity is whether 10^78 is already
a bigger number than the number of molecules on Earth.
Nils Lid Hjort
speculated & wondered about the four or five fingers
question in the last digest. In my
"Mathematics in Duckburg"
lecture today I indeed gave some attention to this,
since it is so basic to counting, which again is
at the heart of mathematics.
1. Since the inhabitants of the Duckburg universe seem
to have four fingers per hand, one might speculate
that their counting system is octal rather than
decimal in nature. -- I gave two examples;
. Donald's car registration number is "313",
which however could mean "car number 203"
in our system.
. Today is January 26. In Duckburg octal notation this
would however be January 32.
2. There are examples where a person suddenly and for a
short time develops an extraneous finger, typically
under stressful circumstances. This would be known as
"spontaneous polydactilism". I've spotted several examples.
(This is also discussed in an article some years ago in
the German "Der Donaldist".)
. Gyro Gearloose, in the "Firefly tracker" story, US 27/1959;
check the "Hey!... That's it! Fireflies!" picture.
. Donald, in the "Midget racers" story, WD 166/1954;
check the "Oh, my stars! ..." picture.
. Donald, in the "Omelet" story, WD 146/1952;
check the "Umteen tons of feed ..." picture.
Again, there are many other instances, also for other
inhabitants, in Barks stories.
3. How many molecules are there on Planet Earth? Admiration
and envy to the first on this list who can give a ballpark
figure for this. Anyway, Donald estimates Scrooge's fortune
as something like 0.5 * 10^78 + 0.16 dollars, a pretty
hefty amount. My curiosity is whether 10^78 is already
a bigger number than the number of molecules on Earth.
Nils Lid Hjort