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Nils Lid Hjort
Egmont Norway are publishing a little series entitled
"Finally back!", featuring half-forgotten Duckburg characters
in solo-albums. These are around 100 pages and come with
three-page introductions written by suitable (or unsuitable)
persons. So far, these are
#1: Fethry Duck (preface: Jon Gisle)
#2: Moby Duck (preface: Erik H?rthe)
#3: Ludwig von Drake (preface: Nils Lid Hjort)
#4: John D Rockerduck ("Rikerud", not out yet)

What make these slightly awkward publication-wise is that these
characters are declared "dead and unusable" in other quarters,
notably "Egmont Central". A contemporary writer or artist
for Egmont is not allowed to use or refer to any of these
(as far as I understand). This might explain why this series
is published in Norway but not in the usual parallel editions
in Sweden and Denmark. Nevertheless, there is no logical break
for Egmont Norway, since the stories quite openly & by defnition
are old and not new.

Swedes and Danes wishing to buy these might presumably write
to Egmont Oslo somehow from the www.donald.no pages [possibly
via the http://www.disney.no/DonaldDuck/index2.html link?].

So Ludwig vD is "dead" in Egmont Europe, but not necessarily
in other empires. I understand he is fairly often seen and used
in South America, in particular Brazil?

I was recently made aware of a 46-page story about the history
of computers,
Walt Disney apresenta a historia do Computadoa ,
published in Brazil (?), featuring still-alive Ludwig vD on the cover
as well as in the story. -- Can anyone provide more accurate
information? Can one buy this magazine, somehow?

Nils Lid Hjort
Stefan Persson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nils Lid Hjort" <nils at math.uio.no>
To: <dcomics at strindberg.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 4:57 PM
Subject: Ludwig von Drake, "finally back!"

>Egmont Norway are publishing a little series entitled
>"Finally back!", featuring half-forgotten Duckburg characters
>in solo-albums. These are around 100 pages and come with
>three-page introductions written by suitable (or unsuitable)
>persons. So far, these are
>#1: Fethry Duck (preface: Jon Gisle)
>#2: Moby Duck (preface: Erik H?rthe)
>#3: Ludwig von Drake (preface: Nils Lid Hjort)
>#4: John D Rockerduck ("Rikerud", not out yet)

In Sweden it's called "?ntligen tillbaka", but the von Drake one is not out
yet. Anyone interested in this series, can find an index for the Swedish
versions at
http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/inducks/files/sweden/se-AET.issues.

Stefan
Apostolis Trikourakis
Hello dear friends!

There is a nice pre-scetch of the Bin by Don Rosa, on
February's Komix. It's the scetch of the 11th floor of
the Bin, with both Scrooge and Quackfaster offices,
and of-course, the entrance to the vault. I scanned
that scetch so you can see it:
http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage/binscetch.jpg

According to Komix, Don made that scetch and then he
sent it to Komix. The editor of the column "Komix
News" says that Komix will publish the whole scetches
soon.
Finally, Komix published a letter that I wrote 2
months ago! :-) I asked if and when they'll publish
the "Kalevala" story. They said me that the
publication of "Kalevala" is in their plans, but after
the publication of the new Lo$ chapters.
I'm translating my question and their answer:

Me: I'd like to ask from you to publish the great Don
Rosa story, "Quest for Kalevala" in one of your next
issues. That story has been published in many european
countries.

Komix: "Quest for Kalevala" is a really great story!
The publication [of that story] is in our plans. But
until then, first we'll publish the new Lo$ chapters
of "Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck"!
Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix at compulink.gr & komixgreekpage at yahoo.com
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage

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Fernando Ventura
>So Ludwig vD is "dead" in Egmont Europe, but not necessarily
>in other empires. I understand he is fairly often seen and used
>in South America, in particular Brazil?

>I was recently made aware of a 46-page story about the history
>of computers,
>Walt Disney apresenta a historia do Computadoa ,
>published in Brazil (?), featuring still-alive Ludwig vD on the cover
>as well as in the story. -- Can anyone provide more accurate
>information? Can one buy this magazine, somehow?

I don't have this magazine, either...in fact I need to use then as a base of
my graduation work, on College! But I read it! It's a old comic, from 1984,
I think, but Ludwig is very used on Brazil! And in Italy he is very much
used too! There are some Carioca histories that Ludwig appear! Durign the
80's he is very much used as a introductor of many special histories...!
Very good character! I hope to writte a Ludwig historie one day!

But, in Brazil, I don't think we can not USE some characters! In fact, we
have some "limitations"...for example, we need to use the "t-shirt and cap"
visual of Z? Carioca, and not more the "origina look", from the movies...and
since the "Disney Teen(Os Adolescentes) are created, usign the Aracuan bird
and Paperetta Ye Ye(Dickie Duck-Pata Lee), we can not use then togheter with
the Duck Universe, and they live on Duckburg(fact from Arthur Faria Jr)!!!

Usually, the production of histories with characters on Brazil, depends on
WHAT we are producign! Some years ago, Abril just created CARIOCA histories,
so, very few Mickey and Donald are used!
On last year, there are many Carioca, Duck and Mice brazilian
histories...but any with the Disney Teen! I, also, love to do a storie with
then on the future!

I hope this help with your question...but I speaked about other thinks, in
any way! ;)

Fernando!
Nils Lid Hjort
I've had a couple of requests after my lecture today on
"Mathematics in Duckburg". I do not have real "notes",
but in response to the interest (and to preserve my own
memory) I will indicate the main outline of the talk.

The lecture was very well attended, with perhaps 200 high
school pupils. This was helped I'm sure by a very nice
mini-poster produced for the occasion (nicely coloured),
with a Don Rosa drawing made for Marco Barlotti; used here
in Oslo with the permission of Don and Marco. It was
distributed to teachers in the Oslo schools, and I hear it's
on several math teachers' walls!

I *might* endeavour to write an article for publication
later on, adding to the Duck part of my CV.

More than half of the preparation, and more than half of
the talk, possibly, consisted in selecting suitable illustrations
from the Barks (mostly) canon to accompany the topics
I had chosen to focus on. I was generously helped by a
colleague to make colour scans onto .tif files and then
to print these out as colour xeroxes for overhead projector.
I was quite pleased with the quality of these, compared
to the simpler ones I've made on earlier occasions, with
b/w xerox copies. The illustrations are still on file
in my computer.

My sections were as follows:

1. Introduction:
what to include and what not, and how:
quote from Freud's humour analysis ("The Joke", 1904).

2. Counting (basic to all mathematics):
four vs. five fingers; octal vs. decimal systems;
big numbers (Scrooge's wealth, the number of drops down Niagara
in one week); decimals (FC 318); agent minus-X (FC 308);
infinity (WD 33); spontaneous polydactilism (various);
Phooey Duck; difference between 10^6 and 10^9 (Tralla La).

3. Physics:
three cubic acres (dimension six); analogue to "Flatland"
(1884); various physics laws in comics; JW making a bridge
with cosine calculus; Don Rosa Lost Eldorado; difference between
mathematicians (loving the problem more than its solution)
and engineers; speedskating story last inner track; more.

4. Probability theory (and statistics):
quote from Luke Rhinehart (1971) "The Dice Man" ("if it's
a one, I'll go downstairs and rape Arlene"), preceded by
flipism; recurrence of random walk in dimension 2 (but not in 3);
insurance company; Dostoyevskij and Douglas Adams (improbability
drive).

5. Computers & Cyberworld:
various 1950-ies computers in Duckburg; Duckburg Institute
of Science; Ludwig von Drake vs. Laura (?); Gyro inventions
like translating languages and the cyberworld one of WD 199.

6. School & education:
made the point that the nephews appear pretty dense in their
early years; many cases 1940-1950 where they cannot add
or subtract small numbers; pointed to rigid school system
and omnipresence of inspectors; then pointed out their immense
evolution in grasping higher mathematics (the train accident
being prevented) after a couple of seasons with a voluntary
merit-badge oriented outside-school organisation; finished
off with Don Rosa's splendid page from Finnish Aku Ankka
last year, where HLD are bored at vacation, longing to get
back to school & learning.

Nils Lid Hjort
Kenneth Glendinning
I have a old copy of christmas for shacktown and I agree that there is no
part where there is 5 fingers in the story.
As this is a old copy did they change it long ago or was there a mistake
with one of the publishers.
I will look up other copys but my guess is that they are the same.
Did I miss something?

Kenneth

>BTW, in "Christmas for Schacktown", in the panel where Donald
>points his finger to Scrooge, we see 5 fingers.

Do you mean panel 27.7 in which Donald points at Scrooge having
breakfast? I've checked the Carl Barks Library but I see only
four fingers. Am I looking at the wrong place or has this 'error'
been 'corrected' by the CBL editors?

One known instance in which a CBL reprint was 'corrected' is
"Bongo On The Congo". In the last panel Donald originally was
wearing glasses. In the CBL the glasses are removed.

Best wishes,

--- Daniel
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Kenneth Glendinning
Hello you will find the set of the life and times of scrooge mcduck for sale
at gladstone it is in the original comics not a album.
You will find it at
http://brucehamilton.com/gladstone/backissues/backissueframes.html
Good luck

Kenneth

Hi, I'm just a young norwegian student living in Rouen in France who is
wondering
how to buy Don's great "the life and times of scrooge mcduck" in the
original
written language, I've already searched for it at Amazon.com and others
without
finding it. Is there anyone here who could send me a helpful word??
excuse me for interrupting you, thanks!!!
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Arthur Faria Jr.
> So Ludwig vD is "dead" in Egmont Europe, but not necessarily
> in other empires. I understand he is fairly often seen and used
> in South America, in particular Brazil?

Yes, LVD was always alive and healthy in Brazil and driving
everybody crazy with his expertness. But
not so often nowadays, since Brazilian production is almost
stopping... again! :-(

> I was recently made aware of a 46-page story about the history
> of computers, published in Brazil (?), featuring still-alive
> Ludwig vD on the cover as well as in the story. -- Can anyone
> provide more accurate information? Can one buy this magazine, somehow?

This book was published in Brazil and Portugal, AFAIK. It's quite
rare, I don't have it. I think that there still are scans of it at:

http://members.forez.com/livia/

Tchau,
-- Arthur.
Arthur Faria Jr.
Oops! This is the correct URL for Livia's:

http://mailotron.forez.com/livia/index.php3

Tchau,
-- Arthur.
Candico86
When reading a timeline of the Duck world, I saw that many real events took
place like the depression and Theadore Roosevelt and his rogh riders charge.
Does anybody think that WWII ever happened and if it did, did Donald or
Gladstone ever go off to sea and fight? Since Scrooge seemed to be very good
friends with Teddy Roosevelt, did he take place in the charge on San Juan
Hill or anything other than that. I know that the Duck world would probably
not want to deal with evil issues like these, I was just curious to see if
anybody had any thoughts on this issue?
Lars Jensen
Nils Lid Hjort <nils at math.uio.no> wrote:

>Egmont Norway are publishing a little series entitled
>"Finally back!", featuring half-forgotten Duckburg characters
>in solo-albums. These are around 100 pages and come with
>three-page introductions written by suitable (or unsuitable)
>persons. So far, these are
> #1: Fethry Duck (preface: Jon Gisle)
> #2: Moby Duck (preface: Erik H?rthe)
> #3: Ludwig von Drake (preface: Nils Lid Hjort)
> #4: John D Rockerduck ("Rikerud", not out yet)
>
>What make these slightly awkward publication-wise is that these
>characters are declared "dead and unusable" in other quarters,
>notably "Egmont Central". A contemporary writer or artist
>for Egmont is not allowed to use or refer to any of these
>(as far as I understand).

Actually, I spent most of last year writing Fethry stories for Egmont and in one of my stories there is a clear reference to Rockerduck. (Who by the way appears in Egmont's pocketbook stories on a semi-regular basis.) And, to be honest, I doubt anybody *wants* to use Moby Duck. He was loathed for years by readers, writers and editors alike, until Egmont decided to kill him off some ten years ago. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing him again, but only because it would add a little variety.

Of the four the only character that's missed to this day is Ludwig von Drake - and the perception at Egmont is that Gyro Gearloose and various one-off characters fill out Ludwig's role in the Duck Universe just fine.

>This might explain why this series
>is published in Norway but not in the usual parallel editions
>in Sweden and Denmark.

The series is published in Sweden, too. Denmark opted not to publish it for a variety of reasons.

Lars Jensen
Wouter
> When reading a timeline of the Duck world, I saw that many real events
took
> place like the depression and Theadore Roosevelt and his rogh riders
charge.
> Does anybody think that WWII ever happened and if it did, did Donald or
> Gladstone ever go off to sea and fight?

WWII is never mentioned in Don Rosa or Carl Barks stories. Don Rosa is the
one who lets the Ducks make most contact with the real world, which I like a
lot.
WWII might be too sensitive and too short ago for use in a story and there
just wasn't any need for it in Dons' storys.
My guesses are:
I think Donald and Gladstone were to young at the time of WWII. Scrooge
might have made some money out of the war.

There are Disney cartoons and newspapercomics made and written during the
war, in which Donald Duck lives during the war and has to cope with
shortness of supplies and stuff.

Since Scrooge seemed to be very good
> friends with Teddy Roosevelt, did he take place in the charge on San Juan
> Hill or anything other than that. I know that the Duck world would
probably
> not want to deal with evil issues like these, I was just curious to see if
> anybody had any thoughts on this issue?
>
>
>
John Chadwick
Wouter wrote:

>
> There are Disney cartoons and newspapercomics made and written during the
> war, in which Donald Duck lives during the war and has to cope with
> shortness of supplies and stuff.

Several cartoon were made at this time in which Donald was a private in the army
and Pete was his drill sergeant.
Jyri Lehtinen
I checked out the bins plans and I instantly noticed
that there was a WC installed. I wondered if you could
tell me has there been any mention or panels of
toilets in barks stories. How about ANY duck comics?
I myself have not noticed the ducks having some of the
bodyly functions of humans.

Jyri

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Fernando Ventura
Hi!

Someone around here has some info about the history of the series "A Goofy
Look at...!"???
Like, who created this type of Goofy histories? I know that most of then are
draw by the Jaime Diaz Studio, but, besides the name Jaime Diaz, who REALLY
drew this so funny comics? I really like the design of layout in then! Off
course I like Goofy as someone on the story too, specially the one when he
is Eiffel! He is so individualist! Very, very fun! "The Emperoor New Groove"
principal character, Kuzco, made me remenber the Goofy on that comic!

I will probably do somethign Disney like it, to my graduation work, so any
informatin is welcome!

I really like this histories! It's nice to know that some of them are by
ower menber list Bob Foster!
I liked a lot "A Goofy Look at Bicycles" and "A Goofy Look on the Light"!
Ah, yes, I have the index of the Bolderbast site, thank you, Harry!

Thank You!
Fernando!
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