>> WWII is never mentioned in Don Rosa or Carl Barks stories.
>In addition to the examples others have mentioned, there is also, of >course, a clear reference to World War II in Barks FC 178, Christmas on >Bear Mountain, where the Scottie imposter says on the second to last >page, "... with some chemical spray I stole from a spy during the war."
>The "war" can only be World War II.
Ooops! I meant "The Old Castle's Secret," FC 189. Sorry.
Carey Furlong, Huntington Beach, California
Author
Topic: 200101
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Carey Furlong
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Message 241 -
2001-01-31 at 04:22:14
Don Rosa
DCML digest, Vol 1 #393 - 15 msgs
Message 242 -
2001-01-31 at 08:01:06
From: Kriton Kyrimis <kyrimis at cti.gr>
>>>Doesn't Barks' "The Victory Garden" suggest that Donald stayed at home
during WWII? I'm not quite sure what a victory garden is, but it sounds
like
something related to war time.
Yes, quite, a Victory Garden is what we Americans grew in the backyard
during WWII to do our part in the Home Front economy.
But you forget my personal theory of time in these comics. I avoid the idea
that these characters are ageless magic beings living in a fairy tale world
where everyone lives forever. It seems so much simpler and less childish to
me to just consider their stories as taking place in a condensed,
generalized time frame. For me, Barks' last stories actually are flashbacks
to about 10 years earlier. Similarly, his first stories, even though they
are published in 1943, are actually taking place a few years later... oh,
say 1947 (though I am never intentionally so specific).
But however you regard it, Barks' avoidance of having DD fighting in WWII
is natural, eh? It's just what I'm saying I would do even if I was doing
stories during that or any war. How else could it be done? (And perhaps all
of those early tales are taking place during Donald's furloughs?)
>>>Doesn't Barks' "The Victory Garden" suggest that Donald stayed at home
during WWII? I'm not quite sure what a victory garden is, but it sounds
like
something related to war time.
Yes, quite, a Victory Garden is what we Americans grew in the backyard
during WWII to do our part in the Home Front economy.
But you forget my personal theory of time in these comics. I avoid the idea
that these characters are ageless magic beings living in a fairy tale world
where everyone lives forever. It seems so much simpler and less childish to
me to just consider their stories as taking place in a condensed,
generalized time frame. For me, Barks' last stories actually are flashbacks
to about 10 years earlier. Similarly, his first stories, even though they
are published in 1943, are actually taking place a few years later... oh,
say 1947 (though I am never intentionally so specific).
But however you regard it, Barks' avoidance of having DD fighting in WWII
is natural, eh? It's just what I'm saying I would do even if I was doing
stories during that or any war. How else could it be done? (And perhaps all
of those early tales are taking place during Donald's furloughs?)
Klaus Harms
Slightly off-topic but WWII-related (slightly, at least)
Message 243 -
2001-01-31 at 10:07:49
Hi,
Though in comics - as it seems - no hints are given that Donald actually
fought in WWII, he did so in at least one animated cartoon of that time
(Commando Duck, dir.: Jack King, 1944).
To drift even more off-topic, among the bunch of Disney-made
WWII-related cartoons there is one particular item available on the WWW:
It is "The Spirit of 43" (dir.: King, 1943; no actual battling, though).
Oddly, the cartoon is considered to be public domain, so apparently no
law is violated by distributing or downloading it.
The film is available as Apple Quicktime Movie:
- http://www.lib.virginia.edu/dmmc/Gallery/taxes.mov (ca. 32 MB!)
or in lesser quality as RealMovie:
- http://www.zchannel.net/rest_003_150k.rm (ca. 6.1 MB) or
- http://www.zchannel.net/rest_003_56k.rm (ca. 1.4 MB, but not
recommended)
When der Fuehrer says, "Ve ist der Master Race,"
We heil! heil! right in der Fuehrer's Face!
Klaus
(thanks to Richard Jebe for the links)
Though in comics - as it seems - no hints are given that Donald actually
fought in WWII, he did so in at least one animated cartoon of that time
(Commando Duck, dir.: Jack King, 1944).
To drift even more off-topic, among the bunch of Disney-made
WWII-related cartoons there is one particular item available on the WWW:
It is "The Spirit of 43" (dir.: King, 1943; no actual battling, though).
Oddly, the cartoon is considered to be public domain, so apparently no
law is violated by distributing or downloading it.
The film is available as Apple Quicktime Movie:
- http://www.lib.virginia.edu/dmmc/Gallery/taxes.mov (ca. 32 MB!)
or in lesser quality as RealMovie:
- http://www.zchannel.net/rest_003_150k.rm (ca. 6.1 MB) or
- http://www.zchannel.net/rest_003_56k.rm (ca. 1.4 MB, but not
recommended)
When der Fuehrer says, "Ve ist der Master Race,"
We heil! heil! right in der Fuehrer's Face!
Klaus
(thanks to Richard Jebe for the links)
Kriton Kyrimis
DCML digest, Vol 1 #393 - 15 msgs
Message 244 -
2001-01-31 at 10:12:05
JYRI:
> in DS9 episode where Sisko and Jake go cruising with
> an old type solarsail ship they have a funny chat
> about their zero-G toilet!
I must watch that episode again! I still haven't seen any toilet on
a starship or shuttlecraft, though. (Well, there's the picture in
http://pblaiklock.tripod.com/youcant/99fall/f99g4.html but that's not
exactly part of the canon!)
> > > I myself have not noticed ****the**** ducks having
> > Um, when was it the last time you went to the zoo?
> > :-)
> >
> I thought by using the word "THE" ducks people would
> understand that I am talking about disney ducks.
That's why I put that smiley!
> Or have have you seen ducks with hats and kanes in zoos?
> (the humane ones)
You mean that there are *in*humane zoos, where they force ducks to wear
hats and hold canes? :-)
(Sorry, but I just couldn't resist!)
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Peace and accord shall be the order of the day. Joy will be unbounded.
There will be much rejoicing. Or else."
-----
> in DS9 episode where Sisko and Jake go cruising with
> an old type solarsail ship they have a funny chat
> about their zero-G toilet!
I must watch that episode again! I still haven't seen any toilet on
a starship or shuttlecraft, though. (Well, there's the picture in
http://pblaiklock.tripod.com/youcant/99fall/f99g4.html but that's not
exactly part of the canon!)
> > > I myself have not noticed ****the**** ducks having
> > Um, when was it the last time you went to the zoo?
> > :-)
> >
> I thought by using the word "THE" ducks people would
> understand that I am talking about disney ducks.
That's why I put that smiley!
> Or have have you seen ducks with hats and kanes in zoos?
> (the humane ones)
You mean that there are *in*humane zoos, where they force ducks to wear
hats and hold canes? :-)
(Sorry, but I just couldn't resist!)
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Peace and accord shall be the order of the day. Joy will be unbounded.
There will be much rejoicing. Or else."
-----
Don Rosa
Digest #394
Message 245 -
2001-01-31 at 14:31:46
> > WWII is never mentioned in Don Rosa or Carl Barks stories.
I should have reacted to that earlier.
Yes, I *have* mentioned wars in my stories. In "Return to Plain Awful" I
mentioned both WWI *and* WWII in a single panel. I've also made mention of
the Boer War, various and sundry genocides and inquisitions by Spain and
other colonizing powers, and other battles and "social unpleasantries" that
I don't recall offhand. Those wars and all other events of history are the
existing background of each of my stories. All I was saying is that I can't
or won't directly tell a story about Donald's or $crooge's wartime
activities, if any.
I should have reacted to that earlier.
Yes, I *have* mentioned wars in my stories. In "Return to Plain Awful" I
mentioned both WWI *and* WWII in a single panel. I've also made mention of
the Boer War, various and sundry genocides and inquisitions by Spain and
other colonizing powers, and other battles and "social unpleasantries" that
I don't recall offhand. Those wars and all other events of history are the
existing background of each of my stories. All I was saying is that I can't
or won't directly tell a story about Donald's or $crooge's wartime
activities, if any.
Dan Shane
Kyrimis@cti.gr
Message 246 -
2001-01-31 at 15:22:51
> > BTW, isn't it "toilet" or "bathroom" in American
> > English, rather than WC?
> >
> But as you may realize that bathroom starts with the
> word "bath". I've often seen are beloved ducks taking
> a bath.
>
As someone with some architectural training I might be able to shed a little
light on the American cultural view of a bathroom. In a United States house
the toilet facilities are commonly called a "bathroom", even if there is no
bathtub in the room. This is usually known as a "half bath." In a public
place, such as a restaurant or office building, the facility is usually
referred to as a "restroom", and it is quite rare in our country to see a
unisex public restroom. Normally there will be a "men's room" and a
"ladies' room". I often call it the "used coffee depot", but that's just
me.
The term "water closet", or "WC", is hardly ever spoken out loud, but it is
almost always used on architectural drawings in the US to denote a room that
contains only a commode or a commode and sink. Even house plans that have a
separate area in a bathroom to offer privacy in the toilet show that
room-within-a-room as the "WC".
So WCs aren't foreign to architects or builders, but most Americans haven't
heard the term in conversation.
I recall a pretty funny story about a British woman moving to the US that
asked the parish priest about the WC facilities, and the poor clergyman
wasn't familiar with the term, so he thought she must mean "wayside chapel".
He proceeds to tell her all about the advantages of his local "WC". If I
can find the story, I'll post it.
Dan Shane
(danshane at bellsouth.net)
> > English, rather than WC?
> >
> But as you may realize that bathroom starts with the
> word "bath". I've often seen are beloved ducks taking
> a bath.
>
As someone with some architectural training I might be able to shed a little
light on the American cultural view of a bathroom. In a United States house
the toilet facilities are commonly called a "bathroom", even if there is no
bathtub in the room. This is usually known as a "half bath." In a public
place, such as a restaurant or office building, the facility is usually
referred to as a "restroom", and it is quite rare in our country to see a
unisex public restroom. Normally there will be a "men's room" and a
"ladies' room". I often call it the "used coffee depot", but that's just
me.
The term "water closet", or "WC", is hardly ever spoken out loud, but it is
almost always used on architectural drawings in the US to denote a room that
contains only a commode or a commode and sink. Even house plans that have a
separate area in a bathroom to offer privacy in the toilet show that
room-within-a-room as the "WC".
So WCs aren't foreign to architects or builders, but most Americans haven't
heard the term in conversation.
I recall a pretty funny story about a British woman moving to the US that
asked the parish priest about the WC facilities, and the poor clergyman
wasn't familiar with the term, so he thought she must mean "wayside chapel".
He proceeds to tell her all about the advantages of his local "WC". If I
can find the story, I'll post it.
Dan Shane
(danshane at bellsouth.net)
Fluks, H.W.
WCs
Message 247 -
2001-01-31 at 15:41:14
> From: Dan Shane [mailto:danshane at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 2:23 PM
> As someone with some architectural training I might be able
> to shed a little
> light on the American cultural view of a bathroom.
Then maybe you (or anyone) can also confirm my theory why the British call a
toilet a "loo":
"Water Closet" was euphemised to "Waterloo" (the place where Napoleon lost a
battle, and also the name of a big London train station), and "Waterloo" was
then shortened to "loo". Does that make sense?
I guess Americans also won't understand the joke "The more you drink, the
more WC"?
To get this mail on-topic: I just read Rosa's "Attaaaack" again, and he
clearly shows toilets in the money bin there.
--Harry.
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 2:23 PM
> As someone with some architectural training I might be able
> to shed a little
> light on the American cultural view of a bathroom.
Then maybe you (or anyone) can also confirm my theory why the British call a
toilet a "loo":
"Water Closet" was euphemised to "Waterloo" (the place where Napoleon lost a
battle, and also the name of a big London train station), and "Waterloo" was
then shortened to "loo". Does that make sense?
I guess Americans also won't understand the joke "The more you drink, the
more WC"?
To get this mail on-topic: I just read Rosa's "Attaaaack" again, and he
clearly shows toilets in the money bin there.
--Harry.
Kenneth Glendinning
World Wide Disney Comics
Message 248 -
2001-01-31 at 15:59:57
Hello can any one tell me if there are any disney comics printed in english for sale in any country now at all and if so do they have any info on how to subscribe to them. (Please only comic books NOT booklets like Disney Adventures from Australia and USA and the Disney weekly in the UK).
Thank you to any one that can help.
Kenneth
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Thank you to any one that can help.
Kenneth
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François Willot
Unpublished sketches and drawings
Message 249 -
2001-01-31 at 23:36:47
Many thanks to Bob Foster for sending me a few other magical drawings!
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/div/at/jmu.php
This is a splendid drawing by Jukka Murtosaari.
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/div/at/bfo3.php
New cover sketches and final art - for comparison and study.
Francois
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/div/at/jmu.php
This is a splendid drawing by Jukka Murtosaari.
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/div/at/bfo3.php
New cover sketches and final art - for comparison and study.
Francois