I am very impressed to see that so many of us have no problem going off
topic. I like to think that several "friendships" have been made through
DCML (especially those whose writing relationships have been followed up
by personal meetings). These friendships have shown us that Barksists,
Donaldists, Disneyists and people who enjoy that one form of intertainment,
also share many other interests or ways of thinking. It's nice to see all
the messages of support.
I do agree with Maurizio, however that this type of activity has not come
forth related to hundreds of thousands of innocent people dying in tragic
circumstances in the third world at most times, while DCML has been in
operation. However, I think this has less to do with prejudice and
selfishness towards the Western World, and more to do with the make-up of
our list members. If we had had several members from Sudan, Rwanda,
Burundi, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Somalia, Chechnia and/or other troubled
countries, I'm sure we would have seen these messages of support and good
wishes on our list. I seem to remember several statements of concern and
good wishes to Arie Fachrisal in Indonesia, when the problems in Jakarta
were more publicised in our Western countries' news media. And, I remember
a few more similar situations.
This was a terrible tragedy. I believe there will be severe measures taken
for better security (similar to those used in Israel). This will
inconvenience people more - (but provide some protection against such
occurances). Even the best "security measures" will likely not be
sufficiant to prevent all such attacks by zealots who are willing to die
for their cause. This all points up the problems with the overpopulation
of the world and continued divisions of that population into different
"nation states" and cultures. Now that we have a single global economy,
and are moving towards a single culture, the super-rich nations and
multi-national corporations should think more about a more equal
distribution of resources world-wide; so there are not whole countries and
regions in severe deprivation. If there is much less of a gap between the
rich and the poor, their may be much less resentment of policies of the
rich and powerful. Especially if the powerful were not seen to be
"against" particular blocks of nations. I realise this would be a
difficult task given human nature. I am not preaching communism, but
meerly hoping to see an end to humans being their own worst enemies.
Best wishes to those who have suffered personally from the tragedy. While
attending animation school in Los Angeles, I met the brother-in-law of one
of the plane crash victims. Although he and I are not in contact now, I
see that the saying "Everyone in the world is only six degrees of
separation from knowing everyone else", may be true.
Rob Klein
Author
Topic: 200109
(277 messages)
Rob Klein
Disaster
Message 151 -
2001-09-14 at 17:32:01
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Revelation / religion in Duckburg / predictions
Message 152 -
2001-09-14 at 17:52:45
DAN SHANE, 14-09-2001:
> Congratulations, Daniel, on calling it the proper English name
> "Revelation", rather than "Revelations" (plural), as most
> Americans do. There was only one.
Er... before I get the choice between the money or the tricycle,
I must admit I still might deserve the globule of jell for making
that plurar error in Dutch. :-)
I said that our Dutch name for Revelation is "Openbaringen", but
it should be *Openbaring* instead. ("Openbaringen" is plural.)
> To avoid getting way off topic, I'll just extend an invitation
> to any interested in this subject to write me privately. I can
> offer information about an extremely enlightening and interesting
> publication that offers a very thorough and clear interpretation
> of the last book of the Bible.
Yes, I would like to have this information about that publication.
As you made a connection between Revelation and ducks, this subject
could become an interesting discussion about religion included
- or, as you also point out, *excluded* - in duck stories.
Are there any Duck stories, which do refer to Revelation or other
events in the Bible? Jeruzalem, the Roman Imperium from that time,
etc.? As the Roman capitol Rome is an Italian city, I'm wondering
how the Italian comics treat this subject, because it's (more or
less) part of their national history.
(I haven't seen Don Rosa's story "Crown of the Crusader Kings", so
I don't know what you mean when you say that he comes "perilously
close" to Biblical references in that story. I'll look for it when
the story is published here in The Netherlands.)
I wanted to include a link to VIDAR SVENDSEN's "Religion in Duckburg"
site, but it seems that I only have an old non-working URL. On that site,
Vidar lists religious references in Disney comics, but also in comics
in general.
About the predictions subject, it might be interesting to list stories
which contain predictions. These are the ones I can remember off-hand:
- Carl Barks' Gyro Gearloose predictor machine (US 16)
- Carl Barks' destructive bull story (WDC 182)
- Carl Barks' Rip van Winkle story (WDC 112)
- Don Rosa's "Curse of Nostrildamus" (AR 143)
- Don Rosa's "The Duck Who Never Was" (D 93574)
- Mau Heymans' future photo-camera (H 90135)
- Massimo De Vita "Il ritorno al passato" (TL 1672)
This story was mentioned here by Archontis Pantsios, on 13 september.
I don't know this story myself.
I've listed "The Duck Who Never Was" because it contains a detailed
prediction of future events if something in the past would not have
happened.
The Rip van Winkle story is included because it refers to future
events in 1990, which now is the past for us. (In the story, this
future is made up by the nephews, but I think this future must at
least have contained some of Barks' vision/imagination of how live
could be in 1990.)
--- Daniel
PS. Also here in Maassluis, there are many flags hanging outside.
At one house I saw both the Dutch and the USA flag.
Looking at the news in the last days, there also was at least
something positive, I *hope*: Has there ever been any moment in
history which showed so much commitment of so many countries all
over the world? Even the Russians, China, and Cuba showed their
protest against what has happened in the USA last Tuesday.
Call me a naive dreamer, but I'm hoping that this will be the
beginning of a better world. After last Tuesday, I even think it
is our *duty* to finally reach that goal.
> Congratulations, Daniel, on calling it the proper English name
> "Revelation", rather than "Revelations" (plural), as most
> Americans do. There was only one.
Er... before I get the choice between the money or the tricycle,
I must admit I still might deserve the globule of jell for making
that plurar error in Dutch. :-)
I said that our Dutch name for Revelation is "Openbaringen", but
it should be *Openbaring* instead. ("Openbaringen" is plural.)
> To avoid getting way off topic, I'll just extend an invitation
> to any interested in this subject to write me privately. I can
> offer information about an extremely enlightening and interesting
> publication that offers a very thorough and clear interpretation
> of the last book of the Bible.
Yes, I would like to have this information about that publication.
As you made a connection between Revelation and ducks, this subject
could become an interesting discussion about religion included
- or, as you also point out, *excluded* - in duck stories.
Are there any Duck stories, which do refer to Revelation or other
events in the Bible? Jeruzalem, the Roman Imperium from that time,
etc.? As the Roman capitol Rome is an Italian city, I'm wondering
how the Italian comics treat this subject, because it's (more or
less) part of their national history.
(I haven't seen Don Rosa's story "Crown of the Crusader Kings", so
I don't know what you mean when you say that he comes "perilously
close" to Biblical references in that story. I'll look for it when
the story is published here in The Netherlands.)
I wanted to include a link to VIDAR SVENDSEN's "Religion in Duckburg"
site, but it seems that I only have an old non-working URL. On that site,
Vidar lists religious references in Disney comics, but also in comics
in general.
About the predictions subject, it might be interesting to list stories
which contain predictions. These are the ones I can remember off-hand:
- Carl Barks' Gyro Gearloose predictor machine (US 16)
- Carl Barks' destructive bull story (WDC 182)
- Carl Barks' Rip van Winkle story (WDC 112)
- Don Rosa's "Curse of Nostrildamus" (AR 143)
- Don Rosa's "The Duck Who Never Was" (D 93574)
- Mau Heymans' future photo-camera (H 90135)
- Massimo De Vita "Il ritorno al passato" (TL 1672)
This story was mentioned here by Archontis Pantsios, on 13 september.
I don't know this story myself.
I've listed "The Duck Who Never Was" because it contains a detailed
prediction of future events if something in the past would not have
happened.
The Rip van Winkle story is included because it refers to future
events in 1990, which now is the past for us. (In the story, this
future is made up by the nephews, but I think this future must at
least have contained some of Barks' vision/imagination of how live
could be in 1990.)
--- Daniel
PS. Also here in Maassluis, there are many flags hanging outside.
At one house I saw both the Dutch and the USA flag.
Looking at the news in the last days, there also was at least
something positive, I *hope*: Has there ever been any moment in
history which showed so much commitment of so many countries all
over the world? Even the Russians, China, and Cuba showed their
protest against what has happened in the USA last Tuesday.
Call me a naive dreamer, but I'm hoping that this will be the
beginning of a better world. After last Tuesday, I even think it
is our *duty* to finally reach that goal.
Shelley Hanson/KlezmerAllThatJazz
People of good will
Message 153 -
2001-09-14 at 18:11:11
Thanks to all for their words of support in this time of tragedy. I grieve
for the innocent people from many countries who have lost their lives.
This list has been valuable not just for the entertainment of our mutual
appreciation of this art form, but for the opportunity to learn many things
about life and points of view from many parts of the world. How horrible
that at a time when the Internet has made it possible to bring people of
good will from many diverse backgrounds together with common interests,
others are trying to destroy the world with hate.
for the innocent people from many countries who have lost their lives.
This list has been valuable not just for the entertainment of our mutual
appreciation of this art form, but for the opportunity to learn many things
about life and points of view from many parts of the world. How horrible
that at a time when the Internet has made it possible to bring people of
good will from many diverse backgrounds together with common interests,
others are trying to destroy the world with hate.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Carl Barks memoriam message
Message 154 -
2001-09-14 at 18:46:02
GERRY TANK to THIERRY FERNAND, 12-09-2001:
> I have gone through my archives to see if I could find the
> text of the message that I sent to DCML on August 25th, 2000.
> How it got lost I don't know.
I still have the email which was CC-ed to many people at once.
It used HTML-language, which I cannot reproduce in plain text,
but this is what it contained:
- - - - - - -
From: "gwtank" <gwtank at msn.com>
Subject:
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:20:18 -0700
In Memorium
CARL BARKS
March 27 1901
August 25, 2000
- - - - - - -
To reconstruct the message's layout, this seems to be the
HTML language that gives the same result:
<HTML>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">
In Memorium
<CENTER><B>CARL BARKS
March 27 1901
August 25, 2000</B></CENTER></FONT>
</BODY>
</HTML>
At least on my ancient Internet Explorer 3.0 and Netscape 4.0 browsers,
it looks identical to the email.
Theirry, feel free to ask for any more details. Depending on Gerry's
permission/objection, I can forward the message in private, but then
I think it's important that you keep the many email addresses secret.
I've also kept the messages sent to the closed down "Carl Barks
Message Board". (The server quit that service.) Once I've sorted them
out, I want to put these messages online again, somewhere in the future.
--- Daniel
> I have gone through my archives to see if I could find the
> text of the message that I sent to DCML on August 25th, 2000.
> How it got lost I don't know.
I still have the email which was CC-ed to many people at once.
It used HTML-language, which I cannot reproduce in plain text,
but this is what it contained:
- - - - - - -
From: "gwtank" <gwtank at msn.com>
Subject:
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:20:18 -0700
In Memorium
CARL BARKS
March 27 1901
August 25, 2000
- - - - - - -
To reconstruct the message's layout, this seems to be the
HTML language that gives the same result:
<HTML>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">
In Memorium
<CENTER><B>CARL BARKS
March 27 1901
August 25, 2000</B></CENTER></FONT>
</BODY>
</HTML>
At least on my ancient Internet Explorer 3.0 and Netscape 4.0 browsers,
it looks identical to the email.
Theirry, feel free to ask for any more details. Depending on Gerry's
permission/objection, I can forward the message in private, but then
I think it's important that you keep the many email addresses secret.
I've also kept the messages sent to the closed down "Carl Barks
Message Board". (The server quit that service.) Once I've sorted them
out, I want to put these messages online again, somewhere in the future.
--- Daniel
Sue And Gary Leach
Off Topic
Message 155 -
2001-09-14 at 21:08:14
Fabio wrote:
> In these days american people name one and another time Pearl Harbor. I am
> wonder if they think in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the coup de grace delivered by one clearly
delineated belligerent upon the other clearly delineated belligerent at the
close of a vicious, bloody, protracted and openly waged war. There are
simply no useful equivalencies to be drawn between a comparison of this and
what happened on Tuesday.
On the other hand, there are not that many useful equivalencies to be drawn
from comparisons to Pearl Harbor, either. The U.S. did not have to wonder
who had attacked, or how to respond. Moreover, the resulting war was
conducted on both sides by well organized military forces directed by the
established governments of internationally recognized national entities.
Again, an extremely ill fit with what happened on Tuesday.
We believe that looking at Pearl Harbor or Hiroshima/Nagasaki is of little
use to America in dealing with the faceless enemy we now face. We are far
better off looking to our experiences with the Viet Cong, the earlier World
Trade Center bombing, the embassy bombings, the Cole, and even Oklahoma
City. These have been telling us where our fate truly lies, and its time for
us to start really listening.
The very qualities that make us what we are as a nation and a people; our
love of personal freedom, of movement, of expression - have also made it
possible for us to be --yes, easily -- attacked by those who have devoted
their lives to hatred. We aren't stupid; unlike what you've heard in the
media, we've known that we were vulnerable. We are also stubborn, maybe
foolishly so. Now we know that we must take greater care than ever before,
and that may mean some changes.
But be sure of this; we are not terrorized. We are saddened beyond belief,
and we are angry. But mostly we are determined. Determined to keep our way
of life no matter what. We know how fortunate we are to live in a country
that for all its many flaws, is a remarkable and beautiful place.
This is our home. And while we'll be keeping a much closer eye on the doors
from now on, they're going to stay open.
Sorry to get so heavy here, with nothing to say re: Disney comics, but Fabio
did ask.
In closing, we just want to say how much the sympathy and support from the
world has meant to us here. Thanks for sticking by us.
Gary and Sue
Prescott, Arizona, USA, Earth
> In these days american people name one and another time Pearl Harbor. I am
> wonder if they think in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the coup de grace delivered by one clearly
delineated belligerent upon the other clearly delineated belligerent at the
close of a vicious, bloody, protracted and openly waged war. There are
simply no useful equivalencies to be drawn between a comparison of this and
what happened on Tuesday.
On the other hand, there are not that many useful equivalencies to be drawn
from comparisons to Pearl Harbor, either. The U.S. did not have to wonder
who had attacked, or how to respond. Moreover, the resulting war was
conducted on both sides by well organized military forces directed by the
established governments of internationally recognized national entities.
Again, an extremely ill fit with what happened on Tuesday.
We believe that looking at Pearl Harbor or Hiroshima/Nagasaki is of little
use to America in dealing with the faceless enemy we now face. We are far
better off looking to our experiences with the Viet Cong, the earlier World
Trade Center bombing, the embassy bombings, the Cole, and even Oklahoma
City. These have been telling us where our fate truly lies, and its time for
us to start really listening.
The very qualities that make us what we are as a nation and a people; our
love of personal freedom, of movement, of expression - have also made it
possible for us to be --yes, easily -- attacked by those who have devoted
their lives to hatred. We aren't stupid; unlike what you've heard in the
media, we've known that we were vulnerable. We are also stubborn, maybe
foolishly so. Now we know that we must take greater care than ever before,
and that may mean some changes.
But be sure of this; we are not terrorized. We are saddened beyond belief,
and we are angry. But mostly we are determined. Determined to keep our way
of life no matter what. We know how fortunate we are to live in a country
that for all its many flaws, is a remarkable and beautiful place.
This is our home. And while we'll be keeping a much closer eye on the doors
from now on, they're going to stay open.
Sorry to get so heavy here, with nothing to say re: Disney comics, but Fabio
did ask.
In closing, we just want to say how much the sympathy and support from the
world has meant to us here. Thanks for sticking by us.
Gary and Sue
Prescott, Arizona, USA, Earth
Thierry Fernand
Carl Barks obituaries
Message 156 -
2001-09-14 at 23:16:00
Thanks to Daniel for sending me Gerry Tank's mail. I guess it's not necessary to include all the recipients of
that mail; the DCML will be enough.
I have updated my page:
http://mailotron.forez.com/coa/barks/news.html
Daniel, please send a mail to the list when you make the Barks forum old messages available again. I'd be
pleased to add a link to your fan page.
To Gerry Tank: I also have added an explanation, and a copy of your mail on the above page.
Thank you!
Thierry
_________________________________________________________
Le journal des abonn?s Caramail - http://www.carazine.com
that mail; the DCML will be enough.
I have updated my page:
http://mailotron.forez.com/coa/barks/news.html
Daniel, please send a mail to the list when you make the Barks forum old messages available again. I'd be
pleased to add a link to your fan page.
To Gerry Tank: I also have added an explanation, and a copy of your mail on the above page.
Thank you!
Thierry
_________________________________________________________
Le journal des abonn?s Caramail - http://www.carazine.com
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Uncle Jake (A Christmas For Shacktown)
Message 157 -
2001-09-15 at 00:56:00
OLAF SOLSTRAND to M.J. PRIOR, 03-09-2001:
>> ["A Christmas For Shacktown", OS 367] (Jake must have become
>> incredibly old, for both Donald and Scrooge don't consider
>> him as being dead in 1952.)
> Donald never knew Jake except from the family album, and Scrooge
> probably saw right through the disguise. [...] I believe that
> Scrooge made up that debt right there so that he could punish
> Donald for dressing up like Jake.
If Scrooge knew that Donald was trying to fool him by disguising
as Uncle Jake, then why doesn't he see through Donald rat trick
on the next page?
After the rat trick, Scrooge does say that he thinks that there's
more than one rat involved, but if he would be sure about it,
I don't think he would have paid Donald that reward for catching
the rat. Even within your theory this would mean that Scrooge
punishes Donald the first time, while he *rewards* him the next time.
--- Daniel
>> ["A Christmas For Shacktown", OS 367] (Jake must have become
>> incredibly old, for both Donald and Scrooge don't consider
>> him as being dead in 1952.)
> Donald never knew Jake except from the family album, and Scrooge
> probably saw right through the disguise. [...] I believe that
> Scrooge made up that debt right there so that he could punish
> Donald for dressing up like Jake.
If Scrooge knew that Donald was trying to fool him by disguising
as Uncle Jake, then why doesn't he see through Donald rat trick
on the next page?
After the rat trick, Scrooge does say that he thinks that there's
more than one rat involved, but if he would be sure about it,
I don't think he would have paid Donald that reward for catching
the rat. Even within your theory this would mean that Scrooge
punishes Donald the first time, while he *rewards* him the next time.
--- Daniel
Cebarat
DCML digest, Vol 1 #667 ("Americans" message)
Message 158 -
2001-09-15 at 05:25:02
Regarding the "Americans" e-mail making the rounds: The Gordon Sinclair
editorial (by Detroit radio newsman Byron MacGregor) was a #4 hit in the U.S.
in early 1974.
I think (though I'm not sure) that the original editorial was written in
response to the Watergate scandal.
As an American (a first-generation one born in NYC at that) I deeply
appreciate all the sympathy messages and good wishes that have been posted by
the Europeans.
Chris Barat
editorial (by Detroit radio newsman Byron MacGregor) was a #4 hit in the U.S.
in early 1974.
I think (though I'm not sure) that the original editorial was written in
response to the Watergate scandal.
As an American (a first-generation one born in NYC at that) I deeply
appreciate all the sympathy messages and good wishes that have been posted by
the Europeans.
Chris Barat
Wei Chen
(no subject)
Message 159 -
2001-09-15 at 06:15:11
Dear Listmates,
I am a Chinese working part-time for an animation cartoon director. I find this list is extremely interesting and like all the posts here.
I wonder if someone could tell me how to subscribe other lists in the area of animation cartoon.I would like to share with people about animation theory, art, marketing, etc.
Thanks in advance.
Wei Chen
sweety at 126.com
I am a Chinese working part-time for an animation cartoon director. I find this list is extremely interesting and like all the posts here.
I wonder if someone could tell me how to subscribe other lists in the area of animation cartoon.I would like to share with people about animation theory, art, marketing, etc.
Thanks in advance.
Wei Chen
sweety at 126.com
Tuomas Elo
DCML digest, Vol 1 #664 - 10 msgs
Message 160 -
2001-09-15 at 14:04:29
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DCML digest, Vol 1 #667 ("Americans" message)
Message 161 -
2001-09-15 at 14:20:27
CHRIS BARAT WROTE:
> Regarding the "Americans" e-mail making the rounds: The Gordon Sinclair
> editorial (by Detroit radio newsman Byron MacGregor) was a #4 hit in the
U.S.
> in early 1974.
> I think (though I'm not sure) that the original editorial was written in
> response to the Watergate scandal.
AND I REPLY:
It was actually originally a radio broadcast by Sinclair at his home station
in Toronto in 1973. It was a response to the critics of America's perceived
defeat when pulling out of Vietnam. Sinclair's exasperation was evident in
the tone of the editorial, and that emotion caused to make a few statements
that were not well researched. It did get the flags waving, though, and it
is happening again.
I thought I posted this information to the list a couple of days ago, but it
never showed.
--
Dan Shane
(danshane at bellsouth.net)
> Regarding the "Americans" e-mail making the rounds: The Gordon Sinclair
> editorial (by Detroit radio newsman Byron MacGregor) was a #4 hit in the
U.S.
> in early 1974.
> I think (though I'm not sure) that the original editorial was written in
> response to the Watergate scandal.
AND I REPLY:
It was actually originally a radio broadcast by Sinclair at his home station
in Toronto in 1973. It was a response to the critics of America's perceived
defeat when pulling out of Vietnam. Sinclair's exasperation was evident in
the tone of the editorial, and that emotion caused to make a few statements
that were not well researched. It did get the flags waving, though, and it
is happening again.
I thought I posted this information to the list a couple of days ago, but it
never showed.
--
Dan Shane
(danshane at bellsouth.net)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Revelation - an additional note
Message 162 -
2001-09-15 at 17:41:09
In case my emails sounded as supporting any explanations
of whatever "Revelation" says, or as an attempt to discuss
religion itself:
I want to make clear that I did *not* intend it that way.
--- Daniel
of whatever "Revelation" says, or as an attempt to discuss
religion itself:
I want to make clear that I did *not* intend it that way.
--- Daniel
Olivier
(no subject)
Message 163 -
2001-09-15 at 21:15:13
Hi Wei and welcome!
>> I wonder if someone could tell me how to subscribe other lists
>>in the area of animation cartoon.I would like to share with people
>>about animation theory, art, marketing, etc.
Last Monday I found Digital Media FX ( http://www.digitalmediafx.com/ ),
which is quite interesting. There are several forums (3 categories:
General Animation, Anime & FX ; Animated Movies ; Special Interest Forums).
The members seem to be mostly animators, producers, directors, ...
I think I'll to subscribe to that one.
Best regards,
Olivier
>> I wonder if someone could tell me how to subscribe other lists
>>in the area of animation cartoon.I would like to share with people
>>about animation theory, art, marketing, etc.
Last Monday I found Digital Media FX ( http://www.digitalmediafx.com/ ),
which is quite interesting. There are several forums (3 categories:
General Animation, Anime & FX ; Animated Movies ; Special Interest Forums).
The members seem to be mostly animators, producers, directors, ...
I think I'll to subscribe to that one.
Best regards,
Olivier
Olaf Solstrand
Religion / Jake
Message 164 -
2001-09-16 at 00:19:41
Daniel:
>As you made a connection between Revelation and ducks, this subject
>could become an interesting discussion about religion included
>- or, as you also point out, *excluded* - in duck stories.
On "The Donald Duck Universe Guide" (a very good site which is aviable on
the DCML home page, I don't remember who wrote it) the Notre Duck Cathedral
is presented to be located in Duckburg. I don't remember quite sure what the
story said - I always thought the story was ment to be located in France,
but when I concider the facts from the story it may must have been in
Duckburg?
Anyway, with a cathedral of this size Duckburg M*U*S*T have a lot of
Christians - maybe it back in the Medieval was a popular pilgrim target, in
the same way as Nidarosdomen in Trondheim?
------
About Jake:
OK, maybe Scrooge never saw through the disguise. But I don't really believe
that he would be alive at this time. So, what about this:
Jake moved to the USA around 1900. After that, the family never heard
anything from him. He probably died somewhere between 1910 and 1930, but
since his new friends and family did not know his background and his family
in Scotland, no McDuck's got to know about his death. So Scrooge THOUGHT
that it may would be a chance that Jake would be alive at this stage (even
though he had not seen him in 65 years) and welcomed Donald - as Jake. Even
though Jake was dead. HAPPY?
-olaf- www.andebyonline.com
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>As you made a connection between Revelation and ducks, this subject
>could become an interesting discussion about religion included
>- or, as you also point out, *excluded* - in duck stories.
On "The Donald Duck Universe Guide" (a very good site which is aviable on
the DCML home page, I don't remember who wrote it) the Notre Duck Cathedral
is presented to be located in Duckburg. I don't remember quite sure what the
story said - I always thought the story was ment to be located in France,
but when I concider the facts from the story it may must have been in
Duckburg?
Anyway, with a cathedral of this size Duckburg M*U*S*T have a lot of
Christians - maybe it back in the Medieval was a popular pilgrim target, in
the same way as Nidarosdomen in Trondheim?
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About Jake:
OK, maybe Scrooge never saw through the disguise. But I don't really believe
that he would be alive at this time. So, what about this:
Jake moved to the USA around 1900. After that, the family never heard
anything from him. He probably died somewhere between 1910 and 1930, but
since his new friends and family did not know his background and his family
in Scotland, no McDuck's got to know about his death. So Scrooge THOUGHT
that it may would be a chance that Jake would be alive at this stage (even
though he had not seen him in 65 years) and welcomed Donald - as Jake. Even
though Jake was dead. HAPPY?
-olaf- www.andebyonline.com
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Anders Christian Sivebaek
Revalation, Crusaders and Nostradamus
Message 165 -
2001-09-16 at 00:28:14
Hi all
About Revaltion in the Bible - the danish title is Johannes'
?benbaring, or simply ?benbaringen.
Which means Revalation - not Revaltions - we haven't got that mistake
in our translation.
This makes me think of the husband of my mother's aunt (who I've never
meet) - he often mentioned
this book in the Bible - but he did that using the name the Apocalypse.
The Lost Crown of The Crusader Kings - I look forward to see that
story. Dani?l - if you're willing to learn danish the danish version
comes out in some months, whereas I believe you should be patient with
the dutch publication.
About Nostradamus - Around 1999 I read books about him, also mentioning
the fake prediction we saw here the other day - but it was mentioned in
those books along with the other quattrains - Only the first year in
the millenium was 1999. Is it possible that Michel de Nostradame did
write a likely quattrain, just not the exact words
I do agree with what was mentioned in the paper today and here: Some
predictions are bound to come true if you write as many as Nostradamus
did. And maybe it was not the prediction coming true, maybe these
maniacs had read Nostradamus and followed him, like they followed 911?
A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk
About Revaltion in the Bible - the danish title is Johannes'
?benbaring, or simply ?benbaringen.
Which means Revalation - not Revaltions - we haven't got that mistake
in our translation.
This makes me think of the husband of my mother's aunt (who I've never
meet) - he often mentioned
this book in the Bible - but he did that using the name the Apocalypse.
The Lost Crown of The Crusader Kings - I look forward to see that
story. Dani?l - if you're willing to learn danish the danish version
comes out in some months, whereas I believe you should be patient with
the dutch publication.
About Nostradamus - Around 1999 I read books about him, also mentioning
the fake prediction we saw here the other day - but it was mentioned in
those books along with the other quattrains - Only the first year in
the millenium was 1999. Is it possible that Michel de Nostradame did
write a likely quattrain, just not the exact words
I do agree with what was mentioned in the paper today and here: Some
predictions are bound to come true if you write as many as Nostradamus
did. And maybe it was not the prediction coming true, maybe these
maniacs had read Nostradamus and followed him, like they followed 911?
A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk