Steven Rowe wrote:
> Just a note that i have the full page Sunday newspaper strip of Mickey
Mouse for april 3, 1932 scanned.
can anybody remind me of when the strip started?
The daily strip started on January 13rd, 1930; the Sunday page, on January
10th, 1932.
Ciao,
Armando
Author
Topic: 200109
(277 messages)
Armando Botto
Sunday april 3, 1932
Message 181 -
2001-09-17 at 21:58:02
Francois Willot
Notre-Duck
Message 182 -
2001-09-17 at 22:43:35
>De: Kriton Kyrimis
> If Duckburg is American (and most indications are in that direction),
>then it's impossible that the Notre-Duck is an original medieval gothic
>church.
>
>If Duckburg *is* American, it is not inconceivable that some rich
>Duckburgian had the cathedral transported to Duckburg, stone by stone,
>from its original site in Europe. (Now *that's* an idea for a story!)
I think that *is* inconceivable.
But anyway, in Barks' tale, one can read the following:
<<
The cathedral of Notre Duck! Pride of Duckburg! Steeped in legends older
than History!
>>
<<
The cathedral has NO BASEMENT, sir! The thief you discovered must have
TUNNELED to the fountain from the catacombes!
>>
Now - some remarks, questions and hypothesis, reactions welcome:
Catacomb = Paris (I guess this doesn't exist in South Bend, Indiana).
The exterior of the cathedrale does look like Notre-Dame.
Was Barks also inspired by "the phantom of the opera", written by Gaston
Leroux (or any US adaptation)?
What do the clothes of the guard on the first pages refer to (if that refers
to anything)? His casque looks German to me.
I'm convinced that Barks meant the cathedral as an original gothic one (see
first quote). The other fact that Duckburg is in America makes this Barks
fact impossible.
Francois
> If Duckburg is American (and most indications are in that direction),
>then it's impossible that the Notre-Duck is an original medieval gothic
>church.
>
>If Duckburg *is* American, it is not inconceivable that some rich
>Duckburgian had the cathedral transported to Duckburg, stone by stone,
>from its original site in Europe. (Now *that's* an idea for a story!)
I think that *is* inconceivable.
But anyway, in Barks' tale, one can read the following:
<<
The cathedral of Notre Duck! Pride of Duckburg! Steeped in legends older
than History!
>>
<<
The cathedral has NO BASEMENT, sir! The thief you discovered must have
TUNNELED to the fountain from the catacombes!
>>
Now - some remarks, questions and hypothesis, reactions welcome:
Catacomb = Paris (I guess this doesn't exist in South Bend, Indiana).
The exterior of the cathedrale does look like Notre-Dame.
Was Barks also inspired by "the phantom of the opera", written by Gaston
Leroux (or any US adaptation)?
What do the clothes of the guard on the first pages refer to (if that refers
to anything)? His casque looks German to me.
I'm convinced that Barks meant the cathedral as an original gothic one (see
first quote). The other fact that Duckburg is in America makes this Barks
fact impossible.
Francois
Fernando Ventura
Notre Duck made in Brazil
Message 183 -
2001-09-18 at 01:32:54
Luca:
>First of all, the Notre Duck (written like this) Cathedral *IS* in
Duckburg.
>At least another story, made in Brazil, shows ita again, with Magica too.
Really?! Uh!!! I don't remember this one! What story? (code or name)
Fernando! :-|
(that can't use a ":)" yet...)
>First of all, the Notre Duck (written like this) Cathedral *IS* in
Duckburg.
>At least another story, made in Brazil, shows ita again, with Magica too.
Really?! Uh!!! I don't remember this one! What story? (code or name)
Fernando! :-|
(that can't use a ":)" yet...)
Arthur Faria Jr.
Notre-Duck
Message 184 -
2001-09-18 at 08:15:16
Harry wrote:
> About organs: I think Catholic churches don't have organs, and that they
> were introduced in protestant churches after 1570. Is that true? (Just
> curious.)
I'm not an expert on this matter, but in S?o Paulo, Brazil, there
is an old Catholic cathedral (Catedral da S?) with an old, big and
impressive organ in it.
And I also remember that nice Zorro's TV episode where Don Diego
plays an organ in a Catholic church.
Tchau,
-- Arthur.
> About organs: I think Catholic churches don't have organs, and that they
> were introduced in protestant churches after 1570. Is that true? (Just
> curious.)
I'm not an expert on this matter, but in S?o Paulo, Brazil, there
is an old Catholic cathedral (Catedral da S?) with an old, big and
impressive organ in it.
And I also remember that nice Zorro's TV episode where Don Diego
plays an organ in a Catholic church.
Tchau,
-- Arthur.
Halsten Aastebol
Notre-Duck
Message 185 -
2001-09-18 at 10:39:23
At 09:42 17.09.01 +0100, Fluks, H.W. wrote:
>Anyway, as someone noticed before, the Notre-Duck church has NO religious
>marks whatsoever. It's just a big empty building with an organ and some
>statues. It almost looks like a very rich American built it, just for fun.
I have this funny idea that maybe it was built by the mad duke of Duckburg
(who probably never was a duke) metioned in "House of haunts" (U$ 63). Just
a fynny thought.
Halsten
>Anyway, as someone noticed before, the Notre-Duck church has NO religious
>marks whatsoever. It's just a big empty building with an organ and some
>statues. It almost looks like a very rich American built it, just for fun.
I have this funny idea that maybe it was built by the mad duke of Duckburg
(who probably never was a duke) metioned in "House of haunts" (U$ 63). Just
a fynny thought.
Halsten
Francesco Gerbaldo
How many persons live in Duckburg
Message 186 -
2001-09-18 at 13:11:35
Not long time ago, one member of this list call in a lot number of question,
how many persons live in Duckburg.
Now I remember where I red that number and in which story.
Persons live in Duckburg are 9523 in the Strobl' story "Donald and Daisy -
The people collector" pubblished in Walt Disney's Comics and Story 3147 of
1966. The mayor tell to Daisy that Duckburg hadn't got star for city with
10.000 persons or more.
For italian's member I can tell where I red that information:
in the book "Walt Disney presenta: Paperino" at page 32 where it's presented
1st draw (vignetta, in Italy)
Bye Francesco
http://digilander.iol.it/lucianogatto
how many persons live in Duckburg.
Now I remember where I red that number and in which story.
Persons live in Duckburg are 9523 in the Strobl' story "Donald and Daisy -
The people collector" pubblished in Walt Disney's Comics and Story 3147 of
1966. The mayor tell to Daisy that Duckburg hadn't got star for city with
10.000 persons or more.
For italian's member I can tell where I red that information:
in the book "Walt Disney presenta: Paperino" at page 32 where it's presented
1st draw (vignetta, in Italy)
Bye Francesco
http://digilander.iol.it/lucianogatto
Francesco Gerbaldo
How many persons live in Duckburg
Message 187 -
2001-09-18 at 13:16:54
> The people collector" pubblished in Walt Disney's Comics and Story 3147 of
> 1966.
It isn't 3147 but 314 of WDC&S
Bye Francesco
http://digilander.iol.it/lucianogatto
> 1966.
It isn't 3147 but 314 of WDC&S
Bye Francesco
http://digilander.iol.it/lucianogatto
Kriton Kyrimis
Notre-Duck
Message 188 -
2001-09-18 at 13:36:09
FRANCOIS:
> >If Duckburg *is* American, it is not inconceivable that some rich
> >Duckburgian had the cathedral transported to Duckburg, stone by stone,
> >from its original site in Europe. (Now *that's* an idea for a story!)
>
> I think that *is* inconceivable.
Why not? It has been done before with London Bridge, and I'm also under
the impression that someone has done the same thing with a European
castle.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I myself am in search of universal peace, an end to strife and unlimited
custard for all, but I have a feeling I'm looking in the wrong place."
-----
> >If Duckburg *is* American, it is not inconceivable that some rich
> >Duckburgian had the cathedral transported to Duckburg, stone by stone,
> >from its original site in Europe. (Now *that's* an idea for a story!)
>
> I think that *is* inconceivable.
Why not? It has been done before with London Bridge, and I'm also under
the impression that someone has done the same thing with a European
castle.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I myself am in search of universal peace, an end to strife and unlimited
custard for all, but I have a feeling I'm looking in the wrong place."
-----
Dan Shane
Notre-Duck
Message 189 -
2001-09-18 at 15:08:40
FRANCOIS WROTE:
> But anyway, in Barks' tale, one can read the following:
>
> <<
> The cathedral of Notre Duck! Pride of Duckburg! Steeped in legends older
> than History!
> >>
>
> <<
> The cathedral has NO BASEMENT, sir! The thief you discovered must have
> TUNNELED to the fountain from the catacombes!
> >>
>
> Now - some remarks, questions and hypothesis, reactions welcome:
>
> Catacomb = Paris (I guess this doesn't exist in South Bend, Indiana).
Nope, no catacombs there.
And no basement in the Alamo. (PeeWee Herman in-joke)
> But anyway, in Barks' tale, one can read the following:
>
> <<
> The cathedral of Notre Duck! Pride of Duckburg! Steeped in legends older
> than History!
> >>
>
> <<
> The cathedral has NO BASEMENT, sir! The thief you discovered must have
> TUNNELED to the fountain from the catacombes!
> >>
>
> Now - some remarks, questions and hypothesis, reactions welcome:
>
> Catacomb = Paris (I guess this doesn't exist in South Bend, Indiana).
Nope, no catacombs there.
And no basement in the Alamo. (PeeWee Herman in-joke)
Luca Boschi
R: How many persons live in Duckburg
Message 190 -
2001-09-18 at 15:29:06
Well...
> Now I remember where I red that number and in which story.
> Persons live in Duckburg are 9523 in the Strobl' story "Donald and Daisy -
> The people collector" pubblished in Walt Disney's Comics and Story 3147 of
> 1966. The mayor tell to Daisy that Duckburg hadn't got star for city with
> 10.000 persons or more.
>
> For italian's member I can tell where I red that information:
> in the book "Walt Disney presenta: Paperino" at page 32 where it's presented
> 1st draw (vignetta, in Italy)
... Since I wrote the book (and choose the illustrations), I must say that
in the text I also point the contrast between this concept of Duckburg as a
small town and the most popular, original (and useful for the story men)
version by Carl Barks, where the city of Donald is really huge in the 40es
(see "The Firebug" story, or "Letter to Santa").
Incidentalluy, I can assume that thestory man of the story "Donald and Daisy
- The people collector" is Bob Gregory.
L.
> Now I remember where I red that number and in which story.
> Persons live in Duckburg are 9523 in the Strobl' story "Donald and Daisy -
> The people collector" pubblished in Walt Disney's Comics and Story 3147 of
> 1966. The mayor tell to Daisy that Duckburg hadn't got star for city with
> 10.000 persons or more.
>
> For italian's member I can tell where I red that information:
> in the book "Walt Disney presenta: Paperino" at page 32 where it's presented
> 1st draw (vignetta, in Italy)
... Since I wrote the book (and choose the illustrations), I must say that
in the text I also point the contrast between this concept of Duckburg as a
small town and the most popular, original (and useful for the story men)
version by Carl Barks, where the city of Donald is really huge in the 40es
(see "The Firebug" story, or "Letter to Santa").
Incidentalluy, I can assume that thestory man of the story "Donald and Daisy
- The people collector" is Bob Gregory.
L.
Don Rosa
DCML digest #672
Message 191 -
2001-09-18 at 15:29:10
From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>>>>Subject: Don's Panama story
>>>>This story will be published in Holland in December, in Donald Duck
Extra #13.
Hm. This is a surprise to me, as usual. I wish that story would go through
Egmont first, so I could know that there has been a proper script and
coloring guide created. I have NO idea about how the French publisher sends
out the art, the script, or the coloring/signage notes. That is vital to
the proper presentation of a story, and this is not an operation the PICSOU
staff has performed very often. First off, this was a 28 page story (or
thereabouts, I'd needta check), and was NOT produced with chapter breaks --
the DD EXTRA #13 will present it all in one piece? Next, the French version
had some problems with the script... most importantly, the French changed
the entire idea of the ending. Their version of the text in the final panel
is *opposite* in meaning from my original... so I must now assume that the
Dutch version will be the same. Not a small difference, making the ending
of a story the total opposite of what the author intended, eh? But if the
Dutch use the French coloring, that will be wonderful! The French did a
magnificent coloring job on that story, light years ahead of an Egmont
style. However, if they colored it themselves, I have no idea if they will
be given my coloring notes. If not, I can only hope they will look at the
excellent PICSOU version as their coloring guide. Otherwise... well, I'm
sure some of you have noticed that certain companies' colorists are not
given instructions and do not read the stories they are coloring... so
they can seriously change the appeal and the very *meaning* of the story
with guesswork-coloring. That Panama story had *lots* of coloring notes!
These worries would be avoided if the Dutch publisher was not the only
Disney publisher who seems to avoid having any contact with me, and has
always ignored all of my overtures to help them free of charge when they do
not have or do not know if they have the correct material for the
presentation of my stories. I've been hoping they would change this
attitude, but it's been 10 years now and they still won't return any of my
messages. Well, I did finally establish contact with one very nice
editor-fella there about 5 years ago, but he quit his job soon thereafter
and all contact was again cut off at their end. (Not to mention that Harry
is the only one who sends me copies of the Dutch comics or albums that use
my stories. Thanks, H.F.!)
"In other news": Obviously I could not make it to the Book Fair in Sweden
last weekend due to the American airports being closed and all of my
flights cancelled. Were any ML members there? Did the Egmont booth sell the
expanded poster-versions of Dan Shane's Money Bin blueprints? I hope Dan
and I can someday get some copies of that poster for ourselves...
>>>>Subject: Don's Panama story
>>>>This story will be published in Holland in December, in Donald Duck
Extra #13.
Hm. This is a surprise to me, as usual. I wish that story would go through
Egmont first, so I could know that there has been a proper script and
coloring guide created. I have NO idea about how the French publisher sends
out the art, the script, or the coloring/signage notes. That is vital to
the proper presentation of a story, and this is not an operation the PICSOU
staff has performed very often. First off, this was a 28 page story (or
thereabouts, I'd needta check), and was NOT produced with chapter breaks --
the DD EXTRA #13 will present it all in one piece? Next, the French version
had some problems with the script... most importantly, the French changed
the entire idea of the ending. Their version of the text in the final panel
is *opposite* in meaning from my original... so I must now assume that the
Dutch version will be the same. Not a small difference, making the ending
of a story the total opposite of what the author intended, eh? But if the
Dutch use the French coloring, that will be wonderful! The French did a
magnificent coloring job on that story, light years ahead of an Egmont
style. However, if they colored it themselves, I have no idea if they will
be given my coloring notes. If not, I can only hope they will look at the
excellent PICSOU version as their coloring guide. Otherwise... well, I'm
sure some of you have noticed that certain companies' colorists are not
given instructions and do not read the stories they are coloring... so
they can seriously change the appeal and the very *meaning* of the story
with guesswork-coloring. That Panama story had *lots* of coloring notes!
These worries would be avoided if the Dutch publisher was not the only
Disney publisher who seems to avoid having any contact with me, and has
always ignored all of my overtures to help them free of charge when they do
not have or do not know if they have the correct material for the
presentation of my stories. I've been hoping they would change this
attitude, but it's been 10 years now and they still won't return any of my
messages. Well, I did finally establish contact with one very nice
editor-fella there about 5 years ago, but he quit his job soon thereafter
and all contact was again cut off at their end. (Not to mention that Harry
is the only one who sends me copies of the Dutch comics or albums that use
my stories. Thanks, H.F.!)
"In other news": Obviously I could not make it to the Book Fair in Sweden
last weekend due to the American airports being closed and all of my
flights cancelled. Were any ML members there? Did the Egmont booth sell the
expanded poster-versions of Dan Shane's Money Bin blueprints? I hope Dan
and I can someday get some copies of that poster for ourselves...
John Garvin
Your suite101 essay
Message 192 -
2001-09-18 at 18:03:30
Robert:
"I'll be brief for all you interested in positive discussions on Ducks.
I wrote a commentary on the website Suite 101 on how the entertainment
industry might change after this past week's events.
Here's the link
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/11/79756
You comments and passing along my thoughts would be appreciated."
Hello Robert,
I think you are making the same mistake that most would-be censors make:
you are equating comic book fictional violence with real world actual
violence: most people, yes, even most kids, know the difference and do
not need to be shielded by those who want to make us "more sensitive to
life." I grew up reading violent horror comics, watching violent
western TV shows and violent cartoon shows. A dozen American indians or
more died each week on Disney's own "Davey Crockett" tv show in the
1960s, for instance, or Jonny Quest would use a high-powered rifle to
take out several bad guys at a time. How many people of my generation
grew up to be killers? Probably the exact same number that have from
every generation, whether they were reading penny dreadfuls from the
1910s, pulps from the 20s, read comics from the 50s, or played violent
video games from the current generations. I have yet to read a
convincing study which shows otherwise. Dr. Frederick Wertham did not
save a single child from delinquency, and making entertainment more
"sensitive" is only going to make it more politically correct and
bland. The Disneyland theme park is currently in the process of
removing all of the pretend "guns" from its park. What will this
accomplish? Do the whining parents who have complained about armed
pirates and frontiersmen really believe that these pretend gun fights
are going to turn their children into violent criminals? The censors in
Disney comics are even more ridiculous: They removed a six-shooter from
a Don Rosa Uncle Scrooge story which took place in the old west! Try
this instead, have parents actually spend *time* with their kids, and
teach them the difference between right and wrong, fiction and reality.
It is not the responsibility of comics and other forms of entertainment
to educate us or make us "more sensitive to life." It is the
responsibility of comics to entertain us. If you personally don't find
fictional violence entertaining, then spend you dollars elsewhere, but
don't water down comics for the rest of us with an anti-violence crusade
that will change nothing.
John Garvin
"I'll be brief for all you interested in positive discussions on Ducks.
I wrote a commentary on the website Suite 101 on how the entertainment
industry might change after this past week's events.
Here's the link
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/11/79756
You comments and passing along my thoughts would be appreciated."
Hello Robert,
I think you are making the same mistake that most would-be censors make:
you are equating comic book fictional violence with real world actual
violence: most people, yes, even most kids, know the difference and do
not need to be shielded by those who want to make us "more sensitive to
life." I grew up reading violent horror comics, watching violent
western TV shows and violent cartoon shows. A dozen American indians or
more died each week on Disney's own "Davey Crockett" tv show in the
1960s, for instance, or Jonny Quest would use a high-powered rifle to
take out several bad guys at a time. How many people of my generation
grew up to be killers? Probably the exact same number that have from
every generation, whether they were reading penny dreadfuls from the
1910s, pulps from the 20s, read comics from the 50s, or played violent
video games from the current generations. I have yet to read a
convincing study which shows otherwise. Dr. Frederick Wertham did not
save a single child from delinquency, and making entertainment more
"sensitive" is only going to make it more politically correct and
bland. The Disneyland theme park is currently in the process of
removing all of the pretend "guns" from its park. What will this
accomplish? Do the whining parents who have complained about armed
pirates and frontiersmen really believe that these pretend gun fights
are going to turn their children into violent criminals? The censors in
Disney comics are even more ridiculous: They removed a six-shooter from
a Don Rosa Uncle Scrooge story which took place in the old west! Try
this instead, have parents actually spend *time* with their kids, and
teach them the difference between right and wrong, fiction and reality.
It is not the responsibility of comics and other forms of entertainment
to educate us or make us "more sensitive to life." It is the
responsibility of comics to entertain us. If you personally don't find
fictional violence entertaining, then spend you dollars elsewhere, but
don't water down comics for the rest of us with an anti-violence crusade
that will change nothing.
John Garvin
Fluks, H.W.
DCML digest #672 (Panama)
Message 193 -
2001-09-18 at 19:00:13
> From: Don Rosa [mailto:donrosa at iglou.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:29 PM
H> Subject: Don's Panama story
H> This story will be published in Holland in December
> this was a 28 page story, and was NOT produced with
> chapter breaks --
> the DD EXTRA #13 will present it all in one piece?
Indeed. I assume there is no other version, so it's impossible for them to
use the *wrong* version.
> But if the
> Dutch use the French coloring, that will be wonderful!
They will. They think the French colouring is wonderful too!
--Harry.
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:29 PM
H> Subject: Don's Panama story
H> This story will be published in Holland in December
> this was a 28 page story, and was NOT produced with
> chapter breaks --
> the DD EXTRA #13 will present it all in one piece?
Indeed. I assume there is no other version, so it's impossible for them to
use the *wrong* version.
> But if the
> Dutch use the French coloring, that will be wonderful!
They will. They think the French colouring is wonderful too!
--Harry.
Anders Christian Siveb¾k
672: Panama
Message 194 -
2001-09-18 at 19:14:59
HARRY
>
>Anders wrote, about Don Rosa's story "The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut"
>(about
>the Panama canal):
>
>> the story is not yet out in the scandinavian weeklies but
>> I'm still hoping, though not wanting to hold my breath while waiting.
>> As told, it will come out in Germany next year. It wouldn't
>> surprise me if
>> Finland, Holland, Italy and Greece eventually publish[] it too.
>
>This story will be published in Holland in December, in Donald Duck Extra
>#13.
This makes me very happy, and already reported the glee to Duco.
>
I still hope to see the story on print in Denmark though. Maybe the
scandinavian
publishers would be able to publish the story even though the main
departments
didn't want anymore b-chapters? But that's just hoping. A good time to see
if my
hope comes true is around week 42 and christmas and easter and...
Untill (if ever) the story publishes in Scandinavia I will just read the
french
version to which I made my own private danish translation - and something
else.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
>
>Anders wrote, about Don Rosa's story "The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut"
>(about
>the Panama canal):
>
>> the story is not yet out in the scandinavian weeklies but
>> I'm still hoping, though not wanting to hold my breath while waiting.
>> As told, it will come out in Germany next year. It wouldn't
>> surprise me if
>> Finland, Holland, Italy and Greece eventually publish[] it too.
>
>This story will be published in Holland in December, in Donald Duck Extra
>#13.
This makes me very happy, and already reported the glee to Duco.
>
I still hope to see the story on print in Denmark though. Maybe the
scandinavian
publishers would be able to publish the story even though the main
departments
didn't want anymore b-chapters? But that's just hoping. A good time to see
if my
hope comes true is around week 42 and christmas and easter and...
Untill (if ever) the story publishes in Scandinavia I will just read the
french
version to which I made my own private danish translation - and something
else.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Per Starback
No mailing list this weekend
Message 195 -
2001-09-18 at 19:20:00
Hi! I just want to inform you that this list, as well as the DCML web
pages, will be inaccessible this weekend because of a power failure.
I don't know exactly when the computers will be shut off and turned on
again, since I'll not be doing it myself. Instead I'll be at the 25th
anniversary of NAFS(k)!
--
Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
pages, will be inaccessible this weekend because of a power failure.
I don't know exactly when the computers will be shut off and turned on
again, since I'll not be doing it myself. Instead I'll be at the 25th
anniversary of NAFS(k)!
--
Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"