Keskustelujen arkisto

HARRY
>> I made a new wesite, about 50 years of Dutch "Donald Duck"
>> weekly. The URL is:
>> http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/xindexeng.html
>> The website is, like this invitation, bi-lingual.

>Isn't this redundant? I would assume that readers of the Dutch weekly
>are able to read Dutch, thus not requiring an English version of the
site!

I for one don't think so. I looked at the page when I read the DCML
mentioning it - I didn't have time enough and yesterday I finished
reading it.
For one like me who can't read dutch, but would like to read about
their weekly, as I have an amount of friends there. (Hi all you dutch
people!) For instance I had no idea that the dutch weekly has always
been a weekly! Since 1952 when it started. In other places that has
not been the case.

Here the monthly turned bi-weekly in 1956 and then in 1959 it became
weekly. In Germany those years are 1956 and 1957.
So many more comics to read...
- no wonder the Dutch weekly reached no. 2000 before we did and then
our weekly used the story as their no. 2000, in an extra with the
weekly,
making it not be in the actual weekly no. 2000...

So I didn't find it redundant at all. I even have an idea - when the
jubilee
starts to make journalist write artist, put those on the page - maybe
even
advice journalists to find little pieces of interesting info on the
page for their
articles. In 1999 SKO (S?ren) did a page with articles about the 50th
jubilee
of the danish weekly

BTW the Barks-illustration on the first
cover of the danish, swedish, norwegian and dutch weekly is from the
singing telegraph's story. I'll find the code now - WDC 90

A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk

Olaf:

> www.andebyonline.com
> It's not bilingual yet

8-)

At least I could read the map of Calisota. It seems that I drove all over
the state, last Summer. From San Francisco to Grant Pass (and Eugene), then
via Reno back to San Francisco. I saw a lot of trees, deserts, and
mountains. But no ducks at all! 8-)

> And I hope you don't think of this "advertising" as "illegal"? Is it?

I don't think so. I'm doing the same myself. Our websites are on-topic
(about Disney comics).

--Harry.
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/xindexeng.html
(next update planned for Monday)

Concerning the discussion of Ducks & schools and Ducks in schools you were
having a while back (& the topic may be returning):
When I was studying to be an English teacher, I traced my past to find
the origin of my fascination with words. Not surprisingly (to anyone on this
list), comic books were a large influence, even though I grew up with the
later Barks stories (The Gold Nugget Boat, The Great Wig Mystery).
They continue(d) to entertain and inform me as an adult. I am somewhat
embarrassed to admit that I had never been able to entirely picture in my
mind the Xanadu in Coleridge's poem "Kubla Khan" until it was realized by
Rosa's story. I would dearly love to teach the poem and the heroic journey
through the original Barks story and Rosa's two-part sequel. However, costs
for buying that many comics would be prohibitive, photocopying would be
illegal (and unattractive)--not to mention I'd probably be sued by Disney for
using their images in a classroom!
By the way, I recommend the Coleridge for anyone interested in the
artistic/creative process (including, of course, comics), for that's what I
think the poem is about. Then again, even if you don't speak English, the
sounds are gorgeous.

Hello!

>>One question: Is there any difference between Xanadu and Tralla La
>>or are there just two names for the same country (if it is one)?

First, Coleridge's text:
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/stc/Coleridge/poems/Kubla_Khan.html
"In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree" [...]

Tralla La is a wonderful invention by Barks.
As regards Don Rosa's story, there's a spoiler at the end of this message.

Olivier

* * * * * * * SPOILER re Don Rosa's story * * * * * * *

Tralla La turns out to be Xanadu.

>> For those of us unable to attend the San Diego Convention, how can we get
>> copies of these infamous money bin plans? I'm sure this has been
mentioned
>> in the past, but we're not good readers.

Yeah, I'd like one too!
(But there was has been no information as to how to get
one of these souvenir books with the homage drawings
and the plans if possible)

Olivier

we had this argument before --and i have nothing new to add, other than to
state that: Not liking Carl's paintings take nothing away from what I feel
is Carl's real achievement: his fabulous duck stories. It's the duck stories
that Carl will allways be remembered for.

steven rowe (hmm, two ":" in a sentance must be wrong!)

Greetings fellow DCMLers! I'm back after 2 months away doing hard work on
a children's adventure book series (with comic book - or animation -style
art). The DCML archives are a great way to catch up. Thanks, Per! I'm
glad to see all the great recent work done by Harry F., Olaf,
Gilles-Maurice, Alex Goerig, and the others on their websites. Please
don't be offended if I didn't mention yours (I cannot remember all that I
checked or learned of from the archives).

Regarding the English versions of websites: I think it is great that most
people making websites are making at least part of their site available in
a "Lingua Franca" (which is usually English). It is much better for a wide
range of fans to be able to understand fully and clearly what the site
maker seeks to get across to the visitor. As Disney Comic fans, many of us
ARE interested in the development of the publications in other countries.

Regarding Kevin Howard's comments on DCML membership from various
countries:
I remember about 10 Dutch members who contribute somewhat regularly, plus
we have had a few more giving a few messages. Relating to the 16M
population, that may, or may not be more representation than some of the
larger countries, such as France or Germany. I seem to remember many, many
more messages from Germans. However, it is true that most of those Germans
have sent only a few messages, especially recently. Let us just note that
we have members mostly from much of Europe and North America, and growing
numbers from South America, Australasia and The Far East. Let's hope we
add memberhip from Africa and Western Asia too.

One point from the topics I missed, that I need to get clarified:
I enjoyed the discussions over the familial relationship (or lack of) of
Donald, Daisy, Huey,Dewey and louie, April, may and June to eachother.
But, I am confused. If most of us are willing to use Barks' universe as at
least a base for the family trees, this fact must be used: April, May and
June are the daughters of Daisy's SISTER. In WDC 149 (Flipism story),
Daisy was visiting her sister when Donald accidently found her. She
introduced her nieces. It IS possible that these were NOT the daughters of
the particular sister she was visiting, but were daughters of her BROTHER,
who wer ALSO visiting their Aunt. But that is not a good way to use the
rare information Barks provides. It is much more reasonable to assume that
Daisy's sister is their mother, and that they live with her in that
particular flat. Given that, it is highly unlikely that April, May and
June are daughters of Daisy's BROTHER. That would be one of the worst
kinds of incest! And, therefore, Donald's SISTER cannot be their mother.
Donald's BROTHER COULD (conceivably) be married to Daisy's sister, but I
rather doubt that. We have seen no evidence of Donald having a brother.
If his brother were married to Daisy's sister, wouldn't we have seen them
all together in family situations. Why were they never at the picnic
parties? Why never at Grandma's for christmas? Just having the same name
(Duck), does not make one related closely enough by law or tradition to be
considered a close relative (or "family"). Perhaps I should walk up to
Calvin Klein, Carole King (real name Klein), or Oberon's Patti Klein; and
say "Hi cousin!!!" NO! It is much more reasonable to realise that
Donald and Daisy are not related closely enough to be considered related by
law (3rd cousin in some nations, 2nd in some, and even 1st cousin in some).
The name "Duck" in Duckburg may be like Smith or Jones in English speaking
nations, Mueller or Schmidt in German, Hernandez and Garcia in Spanish,
Andersen (sson, on) and Hansen (on) in Scandinavian, and Feenstra and
Poostma in Friesland (8-) and so on. There were enough Ducks and fowl-type
beings left in Duckburg to find to mate with to avoid incest. One
scientific way to determine that would be to register a list of all
DIFFERENT characters in all of Barks' approximately 50,000 panels of Duck
story artwork; and then calculate the percentages of the "races" or
"species" (if you don't believe dog-people can produce offspring with
fowl-people). From my experience, it seems that, overall, through the
years, fowl (incl. owls) make up about 25 - 30 % of Duckburg's population;
with mamals (dogs, weasels, pigs, moose,etc.) forming most of the
remainder.

That brings up the August comment on the population of Duckburg. It is
clear, as Carl Barks told me, himself, several times, that he did not set
out to create a CONSISTANT history or setting for the Duck's world. From
the look of his drawings of the city, in its various incarnations, it is
clear that it has changed its size and physical character and location,
many times, as each individual story required. I believe Duckburg was a
"middle-sized" city varying from 100,000 (100.000) to 500,000 (500.000) in
population. It is true, that sometimes Barks had even portrayed it as a
sleepy country village of, say, 20,000-50,000. But that latter vision is
rare. Consider the splash panel in "The magic Hourglass". Duckburg must
be a large industrial city. It has a large port. It is a railroad centre.
With that infrastructure and employment base, the population must be (at
least) in the 350,000-500,000 range. Disregard Flintheart Glomgold's
comments that Scrooge was a "small town" money champ. That was just
bragging. He was probably claiming Johannesburg as "his" large,
sophistocated city (when his money bin was actually isolated in the
countryside). Although Duckburg wasn't a metropolis, it must be considered
as at least a secondary significantly large city. It is also at least a
semi-autonomous "city state", as it has its own laws (and even an army?)
Whether or not we assume it is in USA (based on its Disney historical
origins); or if we assume it is in our own country (Denmark, Sweden,
Norway, Germany, Holland, France, Italy, Greece, Brazil, Indonesia, Your
Country,) Perhaps it is a province or state within a sovereign nation,
which has special individual autonomous rights (such as Bremen in Germany,
or The Navajo Nation within USA). I assume that the Army and Navy are from
the "National Government", but the police and jurisdictions are theirs.
The fact that they have their own Ambassadors and Consulates should not
make one think that they are a totally sovereign nation. I believe they
are an autonomous sub-government of their nation, which enjoys special
status and rights. They might be something similar to Scotland within "The
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland". They can have their own
consulates and Olympic sports teams.

I'd better stop now. I really need to work. I hope I can control myself
enough to not lose my career over paying too much attention to DCML's
interesting conversations. I doubt that I'll have access to the internet
in the poorhouse! - Rob Klein

steven rowe:
" Not liking Carl's paintings take nothing away from what I feel
is Carl's real achievement: his fabulous duck stories. It's the duck
stories
that Carl will allways be remembered for. "

Except Barrier as much as says that Barks should not have painted them
at all because they overshadow Barks's real achievement: his fabulous
duck stories from the 40s. And make no mistake, Barrier feels that most
of Barks's Uncle Scrooge stories overshadow that achievement as well.

And this isn't an argument. I won't argue with someone's "not liking
Carl's paintings" anymore than I will argue with a Marvel comic fan's
"not liking duck comics." We are not even on the same planet, so what's
the point?