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> Not being familiar with Fethry's "finer points", I'm sure I
> don't appreciate him (?!), but I know I'm not at all fond of
> idiot-sidekicks in general, and losing Fethry would seem very
> pleasant to me.

Well... As one who grew up with Fethry and perhaps know some of his finer
points...

Fethry has been handled very differently... Just like Goofy..

I personally don't like the stories where fethry is depicted as
too stupid or as a sidekick to Donald...
I like them where he either stands on his own two webbed feet or when he's
acting as an antagonist to Donald.. In this respect I think he's a perfect
complement to Gladstone who - from time to time - are just too annoying by
being SO perfectly lucky.

I often compare Fethry with Goofy.. I don't like the stories where Goofy is
depicted as incredibly stupid..

I mean.. to *me* Goofy should not be utterly stupid and moronic.
He is perhaps slow.. Not as educated.. And perhaps not the most intelligent
person in the universe... His nephew's got plenty of that.. But Goofy - to
me - is smart and rather bright... in a more earthly and natural sort of
way.
I like such stories with Goofy the best.

There are som Spanish stories where Scrooge are paralyzed and becomes a
wailing heap with his beak open in a 90 degree angle every time there is a
small obstacle in his road... I don't like that either... In my opinion a
person liek that could never survive what scrooge survived... And that is
more of a "i inherited all money"-person rather than "i earned every single
penny by hard labour" tougher than the toughest kind of character...

That's why I like Don Rosas Scrooge.. and I think - Don - that if you had
been brought up with Fethry... and come to know the character.. Then you
would have been doing the best Fethry in the history of Disney Comics!

// Steamboat Willie

To all those interested: http://www.ugiancu.it/ is the url of the Italian
Comics Restaurant "u Giancu". Photos (Barks etc.), recipes etc...
Bye!
Gianfranco Goria
www.fumetti.org

OLAF said:

From: "Olaf Solstrand" <harryklein at hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:14:30 +0200
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Subject: (no subject)

Shelley Hanson/KlezmerAllThatJazz:
>After our discussion of family names, and the belief of many of us
>that just because they have the same name, all of the Ducks are not
>necessarily related -- it seems apparent that Unca Carl can't possibly be
>related to Gyro Gearloose. With a name like Barks, his being a relative of
>some of the
>dog characters is much more likely.

Hello! I said a DISTANT relative! Maybe a second or third cousin?

And I reply: what I meant was, if people want to think of Carl Barks as
being related to someone in Duckburg, then remember that the family name
(last name) usually has some relationship to what kind of animal they are --
like Mouse, Duck, Gander, etc. So someone with a name like "Barks" would be
related to a dog, because in English the sound a dog makes is a "Bark." (I
forgot that non-native English speakers might not know that.)

So, the idea that a Dog character could be a second or third cousin of a
Duck or Chicken character -- well, even in Kentucky I don't think that's
possible!

And what kind of animal would van Horn be related to? Mountain goat, elk,
moose, unicorn?

Harry Fluks wrote:

>Welcome! Dutchmen are quite rare here, and you're even from my birth
>town Groningen.

I think there are quite a lot of Dutch people here (I've seen at least 5).
Especially compared to the population of Netherlands.

Kevin

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Don Rosa wrote:

>[Fethry] has never been seen in American Duck comics... or *virtually*
>never, I think he might have popped up once or twice in some incredibly
>obscure MOBY DUCK story, unless I'm thinking of Dimwitty Duck, another
one
>I'd be glad to see eliminated.

Well, Fethry appears with Moby Duck in a few Italian stories, but none
of these have been printed in the US. From what you write further down,
I think you *are* confusing him with Dim-Witty, who indeed quickly
became Moby's "idiot sidekick".

And actually Fethry has appeared in a number of American comics. Most
obviously Donald Duck #105 and #106, but he was pretty much out of
character in those stories, so there's no point in using those as
reference.

You can find a better version of Fethry in the Gulf Oil give-away
Wonderful World of Disney #2 (vol. 1) from 1969. The story's
construction isn't that good, but it shows how the classic Fethry acts,
as created by Dick Kinney and Al Hubbard.

>So, we have never grown up with a stupid,
>idiot sidekick Duck character hanging around. Now, we have grown up
with
>Goofy as the sidekick of Mickey. But I can imagine that if I were a
huge
>Mickey Mouse fan, and for 60 years Mickey Mouse comics had always
involved
>a solo Mickey solving crimes and having adventures... and suddenly he
was
>burdened with a tall moron who would inexplicably be his constant
>companion... I would find that very annoying.

Goofy isn't a moron. He's an eccentric. (And, yes, he has been
mistakenly characterized as a moron in many Western produced - and other
older - stories. He wasn't one in Gottfedson's stuff and he isn't meant
as one in the material Egmont is putting out now. And he isn't a
"constant companion" these days, either.)

>So, picture how we feel when
>we see a story where Donald or $crooge, who always have intelligent
>adventures wherein their errors are based on their emotional foibles
rather
>than a lack of brainpower, are suddenly teamed up with some idiot Duck
>character. Not being familiar with Fethry's "finer points", I'm sure I
>don't appreciate him (?!), but I know I'm not at all fond of
>idiot-sidekicks in general

Fethry isn't an idiot. In fact, when in character he should be as smart
as Barks' Donald and should have the manipulative powers of Scrooge. He
*is* an eccentric, however - more interested in expanding his mind and
improving others' lives than making money or looking out for himself (as
Scrooge and Donald do). The fact that his actions frequently lead to
chaos comes from his inability to connect with reality. This doesn't
make him an idiot, it makes him a wanna-be humanitarian with blinders to
the real world.

And he's not a sidekick, either. No more than, say, Oliver Hardy was
Stan Laurel's sidekick. Whenever Fethry teams up with Donald he either
functions as a co-star or as an "opponent" - trying to make Donald do
something Don doesn't want to do. This latter function also is dominant
when Fethry is together with Scrooge (another common pairing). And, yes,
there are some stories where Fethry *is* nothing more than a tag-along,
but those stories are typically light on characterization and not very
good.

Lars Jensen

On Friday 31st of August, last week, Claude Marin, the best French Disney
artist that ever lived passed away.

Hello, folks:

I disagree completly with the point of wiev that U$ recognized Donald
fashioned as Jake: you only have to take a look at the panels involved in
the gag:
- first, U$ asks Donald 'Who are you?'
- second, he seems to be very impressed to re-meet his old uncle Jake, lost
from the long-ago days of his childhood
- third, U$'s face when he claims Jake's debt seems that he's really
speaking seriously
- fourth and finally, Donald's disappointment when he throws off Jake's
costume. In this panel is when we can see (in my opinion) what Barks told us
in this little gag: U$ is so mean that he tries to get money even from his
dearest ones (which even Donald didn't expect!)

Moreover, Donald's disguise is perfect - Me, I even didn't recognize him at
first sight! ;-)

BTW, I think it's improbably that Jake travelled to the USA before, because
when Scrooge meets Donald-Jake, he remembers the old days of his childhood
in Scotland: In other words, he hasn't met Jake since then. And if Jake, who
is *only a poor old duck*, had travelled to the USA before, he'd gone to see
his rich nephew as the foremost thing.

Bye,

Santiago.

Lars Jensen:
> Goofy isn't a moron. He's an eccentric. (And, yes, he has been

I certainly agree!!! Goofy has a great deal of personality! But that is
something that Mickey lacks, in my opinion (personality). I've read a lot
of mickey stories in my days, and I've never liked them at all as much
Donald-stories, because of Mickey's lack of personality. But when Goofy is
around, it's more enjoyable, because it reminds me of Tintin and Captain
Haddock (Goofy and captain Haddock are similar in a way, but I'm not sure
I can explain why I think so. haddock's language is a bit more colorful,
and his tolerance is a bit more nonexistent, but yet... well.

But the discussion was about Fethry... I like Fethry. By the only reason
that he has such cute feet!!! They're not so rounded in the corners as
Donalds, they are a bit more like seagull-feet. I don't remember much
about his being, but his appearance is wonderful! Wouldn't it be possible
to make him a wonderful part of Duckburg?

--
/Theresa