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Roger North
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Message 106 -
2011-05-05 at 12:04:59
I hope they don't make a death of Uncle Scrooge story. Just the thought of killing off a major Disney Character sounds horrible.
Baar Baar Jinx
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Message 107 -
2011-05-09 at 16:42:38
Boom's "Mickey Mouse: Atombrella and the Rhyming Man" one-shot seems to have been delayed as well. It was supposed to be released last month, I believe, but there have been no updates. Does anyone know anything further about this book?
GeoX
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Message 108 -
2011-05-10 at 00:45:12
Not looking so great--they keep listing it on their schedule as available "next week" and then knocking it back to the more generic "coming soon." Shame--out of all their announced-but-as-yet-unreleased material, I'd go for that sooner than anything else.
Roger North
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Message 109 -
2011-05-10 at 12:56:39
That is a shame.
Baar Baar Jinx
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Message 110 -
2011-05-10 at 22:25:11
Quote from user: GeoXNot looking so great--they keep listing it on their schedule as available "next week" and then knocking it back to the more generic "coming soon." Shame--out of all their announced-but-as-yet-unreleased material, I'd go for that sooner than anything else.
Well, looks like they canceled it.
http://forums.boom-studios.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2689&sid=6bb6e132366624a5216b749403e24cde
Maybe Marvel will print it when they take over? I hope?
Well, looks like they canceled it.
http://forums.boom-studios.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2689&sid=6bb6e132366624a5216b749403e24cde
Maybe Marvel will print it when they take over? I hope?
Dean Rekich
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Message 111 -
2011-05-11 at 00:24:38
Wow! :( I still think there is a 99% chance that Disney took the license from Boom. However, what if Boom decided that they no longer sell enough of the standard titles, and only wish to publish the Disney afternoon titles...
It seems like people that get the Disney license *way* overestimate how well they think Disney comics will sell. I remember reading an interview with Steve Geppi when Gemstone got the license, and he just seemed to have these very unrealistic expectation of how great the Disney titles would sell.
Sometimes it is like they see how well Disney comics sell in parts of Europe and then think, "Well, if they sell that well *there*, of course they can sell pretty well *here*!" If that were only true...
Whoever gets the Disney license should realize it is only going to be a niche market at best. Any other ideas are, sadly, just silly.
While I am rambling, a couple of other thoughts of mine. If Disney is giving the license to Marvel, are we sure they even want it? Let's say that some higher up at Disney wants Disney standard comics to be published. Perhaps he isn't telling Marvel that they *can* publish Disney comics, but instead that they *have* to publish them! I can totally see Marvel not wanting to have anything to do with Disney comics, considering the sales figures. Of course, this whole premise is based on the fact that *someone* at Disney actually gives 2 hoots about Disney comics. I imagine Disney comics are *so* far down the list of priorities at Disney that they are for all intents and purposes a nonexistant priority.
Also if Marvel does get the license, isn't there a decent chance they will do with it what they did with the Pixar license -- publish "magazine" format titles of stories Boom published in the last couple years? That would mean we would get fantasy Disney, superhero Disney, ninja Disney, etc., *twice* Uggh! :(
OK, someone please cheer me up!
It seems like people that get the Disney license *way* overestimate how well they think Disney comics will sell. I remember reading an interview with Steve Geppi when Gemstone got the license, and he just seemed to have these very unrealistic expectation of how great the Disney titles would sell.
Sometimes it is like they see how well Disney comics sell in parts of Europe and then think, "Well, if they sell that well *there*, of course they can sell pretty well *here*!" If that were only true...
Whoever gets the Disney license should realize it is only going to be a niche market at best. Any other ideas are, sadly, just silly.
While I am rambling, a couple of other thoughts of mine. If Disney is giving the license to Marvel, are we sure they even want it? Let's say that some higher up at Disney wants Disney standard comics to be published. Perhaps he isn't telling Marvel that they *can* publish Disney comics, but instead that they *have* to publish them! I can totally see Marvel not wanting to have anything to do with Disney comics, considering the sales figures. Of course, this whole premise is based on the fact that *someone* at Disney actually gives 2 hoots about Disney comics. I imagine Disney comics are *so* far down the list of priorities at Disney that they are for all intents and purposes a nonexistant priority.
Also if Marvel does get the license, isn't there a decent chance they will do with it what they did with the Pixar license -- publish "magazine" format titles of stories Boom published in the last couple years? That would mean we would get fantasy Disney, superhero Disney, ninja Disney, etc., *twice* Uggh! :(
OK, someone please cheer me up!
GeoX
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Message 112 -
2011-05-11 at 06:14:37
GODDAMMIT. What does "orders came in very low" even MEAN? Orders from whom? It can't be from individual consumers who wanted to BUY it, 'cause...well, that doesn't make sense, obviously. Orders from stores? If that's the case, I'm going to flatly state that Boom is/was clearly doing something wrong in terms of promotion of their books. You'll recall that Gemstone seemingly had no problem publishing one-shots of things like "Mickey Mouse Meets Blotman" and its sequel--stuff that was FAR more marginal than a classic Gottfredson story would have been.
I don't for a minute buy this idea that Disney comics don't sell, or must be consigned to a niche. Sales for Gemstone's L&T were huge, as are preorders for the upcoming Gottfredson book. They don't sell well when they're not promoted well. Gemstone's sales were *fine;* just look at their published sales numbers--there was no drop-off at the end. They only went under because of Steve Geppi's dubious business practices, which had nothing to do with the comics themselves.
Will somebody please explain to me why we--who are supposed to be FANS of this stuff--are determined to make this "Disney comics just DON'T SELL!" narrative into a self-fulfilling prophesy? It seems almost certain to me that all this moaning was VERY responsible for Boom's stupid, momentum-killing decisions early in their run--"if everyone says this stuff doesn't sell, then surely we have to do something totally different, right?" Wrong, but it certainly had the effect of substantially ruining our hobby, so if creating a situation that allowed us to feel sorry for ourselves was the goal, well, mission accomplished. If not, we (I am not for a moment excluding myself here--I'm guilty of some of the same rhetoric) ought to be prepared to take some of the blame.
I don't for a minute buy this idea that Disney comics don't sell, or must be consigned to a niche. Sales for Gemstone's L&T were huge, as are preorders for the upcoming Gottfredson book. They don't sell well when they're not promoted well. Gemstone's sales were *fine;* just look at their published sales numbers--there was no drop-off at the end. They only went under because of Steve Geppi's dubious business practices, which had nothing to do with the comics themselves.
Will somebody please explain to me why we--who are supposed to be FANS of this stuff--are determined to make this "Disney comics just DON'T SELL!" narrative into a self-fulfilling prophesy? It seems almost certain to me that all this moaning was VERY responsible for Boom's stupid, momentum-killing decisions early in their run--"if everyone says this stuff doesn't sell, then surely we have to do something totally different, right?" Wrong, but it certainly had the effect of substantially ruining our hobby, so if creating a situation that allowed us to feel sorry for ourselves was the goal, well, mission accomplished. If not, we (I am not for a moment excluding myself here--I'm guilty of some of the same rhetoric) ought to be prepared to take some of the blame.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
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Message 113 -
2011-05-13 at 14:05:42
Things proceed to get worse. The FC Archives has been removed from Boom's site, which is a big shame. The WDC Archives is still listed, which at least makes things a bit better. The Don Rosa are also still on the site.
Vesuvius
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Message 114 -
2011-05-13 at 17:24:30
Quote from user: GeoXGODDAMMIT. What does "orders came in very low" even MEAN? Orders from whom? It can't be from individual consumers who wanted to BUY it, 'cause...well, that doesn't make sense, obviously. Orders from stores? If that's the case, I'm going to flatly state that Boom is/was clearly doing something wrong in terms of promotion of their books. You'll recall that Gemstone seemingly had no problem publishing one-shots of things like "Mickey Mouse Meets Blotman" and its sequel--stuff that was FAR more marginal than a classic Gottfredson story would have been.
I don't for a minute buy this idea that Disney comics don't sell, or must be consigned to a niche. Sales for Gemstone's L&T were huge, as are preorders for the upcoming Gottfredson book. They don't sell well when they're not promoted well. Gemstone's sales were *fine;* just look at their published sales numbers--there was no drop-off at the end. They only went under because of Steve Geppi's dubious business practices, which had nothing to do with the comics themselves.
Will somebody please explain to me why we--who are supposed to be FANS of this stuff--are determined to make this "Disney comics just DON'T SELL!" narrative into a self-fulfilling prophesy? It seems almost certain to me that all this moaning was VERY responsible for Boom's stupid, momentum-killing decisions early in their run--"if everyone says this stuff doesn't sell, then surely we have to do something totally different, right?" Wrong, but it certainly had the effect of substantially ruining our hobby, so if creating a situation that allowed us to feel sorry for ourselves was the goal, well, mission accomplished. If not, we (I am not for a moment excluding myself here--I'm guilty of some of the same rhetoric) ought to be prepared to take some of the blame.
I think you've hit the nail right on the head; Boom has just not done a good job of promoting this material outside the very small comic market, and made such major misteps at the beginning with all that lackluster European material that they lost all of their footing in that market as well. It's almost like they thought the Disney license was just like printing money, and no matter how banal the material they produced, fans would eat it up. The return to the classic material was a good move, but too little too late.
I'd have thought perhaps mixing new material with classic might have helped them push these books further, but they clearly wouldn't have hired any "name" creators on these stories, and they're track record on new material so far is 50/50 at best. Darkwing Duck is not bad, Rescue Rangers is pretty terrible. I'm thankful they actually got Warren Spector on DuckTales, but the way the line is disappearing, I fear it may be too little too late.
I just think that this was a case of a small company getting a license that they weren't familiar with or prepared for, and that they didn't have either the money or the knowledge to properly promote.
Interesting that Chip answered this question, but Boom continues to remain mum about the alleged cancellation of the standards titles. Not a good sign.
I don't for a minute buy this idea that Disney comics don't sell, or must be consigned to a niche. Sales for Gemstone's L&T were huge, as are preorders for the upcoming Gottfredson book. They don't sell well when they're not promoted well. Gemstone's sales were *fine;* just look at their published sales numbers--there was no drop-off at the end. They only went under because of Steve Geppi's dubious business practices, which had nothing to do with the comics themselves.
Will somebody please explain to me why we--who are supposed to be FANS of this stuff--are determined to make this "Disney comics just DON'T SELL!" narrative into a self-fulfilling prophesy? It seems almost certain to me that all this moaning was VERY responsible for Boom's stupid, momentum-killing decisions early in their run--"if everyone says this stuff doesn't sell, then surely we have to do something totally different, right?" Wrong, but it certainly had the effect of substantially ruining our hobby, so if creating a situation that allowed us to feel sorry for ourselves was the goal, well, mission accomplished. If not, we (I am not for a moment excluding myself here--I'm guilty of some of the same rhetoric) ought to be prepared to take some of the blame.
I think you've hit the nail right on the head; Boom has just not done a good job of promoting this material outside the very small comic market, and made such major misteps at the beginning with all that lackluster European material that they lost all of their footing in that market as well. It's almost like they thought the Disney license was just like printing money, and no matter how banal the material they produced, fans would eat it up. The return to the classic material was a good move, but too little too late.
I'd have thought perhaps mixing new material with classic might have helped them push these books further, but they clearly wouldn't have hired any "name" creators on these stories, and they're track record on new material so far is 50/50 at best. Darkwing Duck is not bad, Rescue Rangers is pretty terrible. I'm thankful they actually got Warren Spector on DuckTales, but the way the line is disappearing, I fear it may be too little too late.
I just think that this was a case of a small company getting a license that they weren't familiar with or prepared for, and that they didn't have either the money or the knowledge to properly promote.
Interesting that Chip answered this question, but Boom continues to remain mum about the alleged cancellation of the standards titles. Not a good sign.
RancidDuck
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Message 115 -
2011-05-14 at 00:24:12
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderThings proceed to get worse. The FC Archives has been removed from Boom's site, which is a big shame. The WDC Archives is still listed, which at least makes things a bit better. The Don Rosa are also still on the site.
Just recieved an email of Boom's upcoming July releases and it has the Four Color Adventures listed with a link
http://www.boom-studios.com/disney-s-four-color-adventures-vol-1-tpb.html
Also listed is the Don Rosa Treasury Vol.2, Ducktales, Darkwing, and Rescue Rangers.
Just recieved an email of Boom's upcoming July releases and it has the Four Color Adventures listed with a link
http://www.boom-studios.com/disney-s-four-color-adventures-vol-1-tpb.html
Also listed is the Don Rosa Treasury Vol.2, Ducktales, Darkwing, and Rescue Rangers.
Mcduck_Enterprises
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Message 116 -
2011-05-14 at 13:59:53
Quote from user: VesuviusInteresting that Chip answered this question, but Boom continues to remain mum about the alleged cancellation of the standards titles. Not a good sign.
Like everyone said before, it's probably a legal thing that they cannot comment on the matter, but regardless, his responses tend to be useless anyway......terrible corporate rep.
Like everyone said before, it's probably a legal thing that they cannot comment on the matter, but regardless, his responses tend to be useless anyway......terrible corporate rep.
Patrick Hanifin
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Message 117 -
2011-05-14 at 15:44:43
The whole attitude of both Boom and Disney completely turn me off. I don't care what the excuse is it's a very poor way to treat a customer. I could go on and on but the bottom line is I'm not happy. In this economy there's lots of other places I can spend my money and I'll think about that in the future when they're trying to sell me something.
Patrick
www.PatrickHanifin.com
www.SqueakyCleanComedy.com
Patrick
www.PatrickHanifin.com
www.SqueakyCleanComedy.com
Vesuvius
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Message 118 -
2011-05-14 at 22:38:11
Quote from user: RancidDuckQuote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderThings proceed to get worse. The FC Archives has been removed from Boom's site, which is a big shame. The WDC Archives is still listed, which at least makes things a bit better. The Don Rosa are also still on the site.
Just recieved an email of Boom's upcoming July releases and it has the Four Color Adventures listed with a link
http://www.boom-studios.com/disney-s-four-color-adventures-vol-1-tpb.html
Also listed is the Don Rosa Treasury Vol.2, Ducktales, Darkwing, and Rescue Rangers.
This is pretty much the solicitation that started the whole thing, July is the first month that is missing solicitations for Uncle Scrooge, Walt Disney Comics and Stories, and Donald Duck. Mickey Mouse is now gone from Boom for the second time.
I guess it's obvious that Boom feels that the market can't support two Scrooge books...but why cancel the long running Uncle Scrooge title in favor of Ducktales? Just so you could fool retailers with a new number one? Ugh.
Just recieved an email of Boom's upcoming July releases and it has the Four Color Adventures listed with a link
http://www.boom-studios.com/disney-s-four-color-adventures-vol-1-tpb.html
Also listed is the Don Rosa Treasury Vol.2, Ducktales, Darkwing, and Rescue Rangers.
This is pretty much the solicitation that started the whole thing, July is the first month that is missing solicitations for Uncle Scrooge, Walt Disney Comics and Stories, and Donald Duck. Mickey Mouse is now gone from Boom for the second time.
I guess it's obvious that Boom feels that the market can't support two Scrooge books...but why cancel the long running Uncle Scrooge title in favor of Ducktales? Just so you could fool retailers with a new number one? Ugh.
MustangRockstar
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Message 119 -
2011-05-15 at 22:44:47
It's time to swallow hard and honestly ask ourselves if Disney comics are even feasible in North America at this point. In the last 30 years, we've seen five efforts to produce these comics, and all failed. We can blame marketing, we can blame stories, we can blame anything we want, but the sad fact is that there just isn't a big enough market for these comics in this states. There's no shows or video games to support them, and there's simply no way to compete with graphic novels or adult comics.
We keep getting made at the publishers, but let's face it, it's just not working. The audience for this material is small, and frankly, too many fans come off as miserable whiners anyway. So at best, an already small audience is cut even further.
We keep getting made at the publishers, but let's face it, it's just not working. The audience for this material is small, and frankly, too many fans come off as miserable whiners anyway. So at best, an already small audience is cut even further.
Patrick Hanifin
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Message 120 -
2011-05-16 at 05:11:46
For me I guess it comes down to this. I just want to buy some Disney comic book stories that I could enjoy as an adult. That's all. Mostly I prefer Carl Barks and Don Rosa. If there were any 3 dimensional figures or posters/lithos that I could afford relating to these stories I would also be interested.
If you collect Batman, for instance, there's all kinds of exciting stuff available. That makes the hobby and a trip to the comic book store fun. In the past I've gone out of my way to hunt and purchase some Boom/Disney stories. For me currently Boom and Disney have become very disappointing in the way I've been treated as a customer. I have no idea what's even going on.
It's always been somewhat that way. For instance, characters you read about in the comics like Uncle Scrooge are never really (with a few exceptions like when the Duck Tales shows were on TV) featured at Disneyland. This always disappointed me. Anyway, it looks like some new Rosa books will be out soon and then the new Barks library.
Patrick Hanifin
www.PatrickHanifin.com
www.SqueakyCleanComedy.com
If you collect Batman, for instance, there's all kinds of exciting stuff available. That makes the hobby and a trip to the comic book store fun. In the past I've gone out of my way to hunt and purchase some Boom/Disney stories. For me currently Boom and Disney have become very disappointing in the way I've been treated as a customer. I have no idea what's even going on.
It's always been somewhat that way. For instance, characters you read about in the comics like Uncle Scrooge are never really (with a few exceptions like when the Duck Tales shows were on TV) featured at Disneyland. This always disappointed me. Anyway, it looks like some new Rosa books will be out soon and then the new Barks library.
Patrick Hanifin
www.PatrickHanifin.com
www.SqueakyCleanComedy.com