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> Danny Coenen <(Email removed)> wrote...
> .I'd definitely love to read more about Scrooge's days in the Yukon!
> That story you made- I think it was called "Hearts of the Yukon", is
> my favorite Rosa story to date!

I'm glad someone else wrote this first so you all don't groan and say, "Oh, it's just that
Goldie-obsessed girl again!" See, I'm not the only Yukon fan! ;-)

Okay, so my first vote goes to Goldie stories, or just anything Klondike-related.
:-)

Other interesting time periods...
Pre-Lo$ Ch. 1 stories. Delve earlier into Scrooge's childhood in Glasgow.

It was implied that Scrooge was still globe-trotting during Hortense's wedding to Quackmore,
or that would be neat to see. But they weren't on the best terms in those years...

The original construction of the Money Bin? We saw the first billion being moved in already,
and I suppose watching underpaid workers pouring concrete wouldn't be too entertaining.

Perhaps elaborate on the adventures in Ch. 11 which for time's sake had to be only touched
on. Pre-Revolution Russia would be fun. Egypt is fascinating, too. You probably even have
some notes from "The Crocodile Collector" gathering dust somewhere. (?)

How about the totem pole from 1908 (I think) that couldn't be worked in anywhere in the
original Lo$? I know the picture showed up in Chapter 12 in Scrooge's mansion, but perhaps a
longer story could be worked around it.

The Scottish homeland is interesting, not to mention ripe for more great kilt and haggis
jokes. ;-) Plus, it's a neat culture, and full of history. Those sweeping views of the
moors with castles and mist are delightful!

Barks already covered Scrooge's first encounter with Magica DeSpell, (and very well, I might
add) so I suppose that's covered. (I still occasionally refer to sunglasses as "dark, dark
glasses"!) :-)

But going back to my pet time period, there _are_ gaps that could be filled in the Yukon
days. Namely, of course, that mysterious month at White Agony. Hmm...perhaps some things
are better left to the imagination? There are other possibilities, though. Casey Coot,
Inspector Scarth, Sam Steele, Snake-Hips, Soapy Slick...there are so many wonderful characters
in Dawson and environs, it would be a shame not to visit them again.
How about this?
Soapy tries some underhanded trick to con Goldie out of the Blackjack Ballroom, and Scrooge
has to figure out a way to save it, despite his dislike for such establishments and reluctance
to show any kindness toward Goldie.

Natural disasters like avalanches and blizzards (the latter of which was in Hearts of the
Yukon, I guess) are always fun. :-)
If an avalanche were to block a mountain pass supply teams were going to take on their way to
Dawson, another food shortage would be a danger. There's only one person brave enough to
brave the wilds to rescue the supply team trapped behind the avalanche...the King of the
Klondike! (Not necessarily unaccompanied, of course. Casey and/or Goldie would be up for the
task, I think, although why she would be along is uncertain. Maybe the supplies are also for
the Blackjack, so she was a personal interest.) If you're looking for a seasonal story,
Christmas dinner and decorations are among the waylaid supplies.

Also, more light could possibly be shed on Scrooge's earliest years as a business owner in the
Klondike. (The Whitehorse bank, etc.) He was inexperienced in having employees, etc, and had
some lessons to learn, I imagine.

Another place for addition that just occurred to me...Between Chapters 1 and 2 of Lo$, Scrooge
goes from Scotland to Kentucky (familiar territory! :-). We don't get to see anything that
happens in-between. Perhaps something interesting in New Orleans, or in the boat on the way
to America? I imagine they did pass through the Bermuda Triangle, although that plot has been
overdone, IMHO.

Also, $crooge has been in Australia for three years by the time Chapter 7 begins. Perhaps
some adventure occurred during that time...

Well, I'll stop spitting out ideas now! It's fun to imagine, though...

:-)

Quackcerely,

Katie

>From: Rich Bellacera
>I'm not certain what you mean. Why doesn't it "fit" into your tree if it
>exists in your "private" tree. I'm confused... sorry. Based on your
>"published" tree, it would just appear that Daisy, her brother and sister,
>April, May and June, along with your vision of Ludwig von Drake, were
>simple omissions which aren't necessarily excluded by that tree, just not
>presently included.

I mean Daisy's side of the family *physically* would not fit into that
published Tree. Even the Tree in my private notes shows them on a sidebar.
Had I known that the publishers would later add that sidebar with those
characters onto my Tree (that was not part of my design), I might have tried
harder, but still, I couldn't have done the additional family branch in that
single-vertical-column form.
Ludwig was left out for another reason... the same reason that Fethry was
included... by the directive of the publishers. They regarded Ludwig as
non-existant. But they now *also* regard Fethry as non-existant, so the
Tree, as published, is *not* accurate to my notes or their current thinking.

From Christopher E. Barat:
>I don't know about this... my five years of experience and observations at
>Brown University (one of the most "liberal" US universities, BTW) taught me
>that such attempts at "imposition" are pretty much universal across the
>political spectrum. The question is, how do you couch your "attempts," and
>what sort of methods do you use to get them to work?

But I just said that I *make* no attempt at such "imposition" of my ideas on
any other writers, even if I had such power, which I don't. So, I do no
"couching" nor do I use any methods to get anything to "work". It's true in
my own view of the Universe, and that's all.

>From: "Matthew R. Sommer
>Secondly, I found a little oddity at my local used bookstore today--
>its a book, a novel, from something called "Whitman's Tween Age Books"
>series... It's an illustrated novel titled _Donald Duck and the Lost
>Mesa Ranch_. Has anyone heard of this before?
>anyone know if whitman made any more of these?

There was one other DD novel, "DD and the Hidden Gold", which was much nicer
than the one you found. It appeared nearly 20 years earlier, had a
dust-jacket, original (I think, without taking a look) color & b/w
illustrations by Taliaferro, and was not marred (for me) by the inclusion of
talking mice and super-intelligent chipmunks. There have been many DD
storybooks for tiny children, where the text i s simple and with an
illustration on every page or two... but "Hidden Gold" and "Lost Mesa" were
the only DD novels for older kids.

>From: Paul Jongma <P.F.Jongma
>Just a quickie, Don. For that Lo$ 1883-Java story, you've asked a
>while ago for background literature (from dutch people on this list) on
>Java, being a former dutch colony. Did you find anything? Cuz I went
>through the entire library here and no way that I could find out the
>colors of the people's clothes at that time, or good pictures of
>specific Indonesian boats. But then again, I'm a comic-fanatic, so I
>don't do literature and I don't understand dick from my (halftechnical)
>library. Anyway, did you find anything? and how/where?

You mean you don't understand "duck"? You people keep getting that word
wrong!
I finally obtained some old books on Indonesia from the local university --
Dutch list members could have sent me some useful stuff, but there just
isn't time for that in my "fast-track" method of research where I don't have
time for gathering such materials. Later, when I had specific questions such
as 1880s style Dutch for old Batavian newspapers, Harry Fluks supplied
answers on request.

>From: Danny Coenen:
>>>>I only know the original 12 chapters and ODADAD- I guess I gotta catch
up.
I'd definitely love to read more about Scrooge's days in the Yukon!
That story you made- I think it was called "Hearts of the Yukon", is
my favorite Rosa story to date!

??? Then you *have* read chapter 8B. That's "Hearts of the Yukon". And 6B
was "Vigilante of Pizen Bluff". You didn't see that?

>>>>>I'd love to visit the area one day myself. Have you ever been there,
for "on-site-research"? Just wondering...

I was in Skagway once, but no closer.

>>>>I just visited your web site about the Lo$, and it doesn't seem to
have been updated for a while. I was just wondering if you'll be able
to add some information about the "B-parts" soon.

That's Dan Shane's website. We did all that almost 2 years ago, so it IS
hightime I gathered the many additional texts I've written for German albums
and so forth and added some scans and gave them to Dan. You send me the
spare time to do that and consider it done.

>>>From: "Donald D. Markstein"
>>>Your point on "damned if you do, damned if you don't" is
well taken. But there's a more subtle point to be made here, as
well -- namely, that it takes TWO sides taking things too
seriously to produce the irritation you speak of. And YOU are
taking this sort of criticism too seriously. I mean -- who
cares?

... and you went on to say many wise things that I totally agree with.
But... did you read my previous message carefully? Anyone reading your
response would think I was saying I didn't like criticism!!! Nowhere did I
say such a thing! I was saying I was frustrated by the weird
hostility/resentment/reactions a minority has to *any* reaction I make (or
lack of reaction, or my very presence) to either praise or criticism... NOT
the criticism itself. Oh, yes, I have ALWAYS known that I cannot please
everyone, nor have I ever tried to please anyone but myself, with hopes that
will please more others than not (but with no guarantees).

BERTIE GOES to Hell

ETA BETA:
> LUNA STORTA
> >Bonifacio appeared even in one of the first italian stories: "L'
> >inferno di Topolino" (Mickey's hell) by Martina and Bioletto, where
> >Mickey and Goofy meet almost all Disney characters.
>
> I did completely forgot about that. Thanks for refreshing my memory
> (...I've got a cheap reprint ;-). It's at
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/4531/cosimo.gif

WOW! What a bizarre looking tale! I love surrealism (Dali, etc.).

Well, that is definitely "Bertie"! Based on this imagery my earlier
that Bertie and Bonifacio are different characters still theory stands.

BTW, what is the original printing date and edition for this tale?

MR. MARKSTEIN:

I sincerely did not mean to denigrate any of your work, especially
concerning the difficult task of translating tales from one culture
into another (there are so many nuances involved and it is nearly
impossible to relay all the subtlties one would have to understand
to successfully do so). I can't relate to Don Rosa's dislike for
the Scarpa tales he listed since I loved them, even though my only
exposure to those specific tales is from Gladstone's printings. I
have since come into the possession of many other Scarpa tales as
they appear in such books as Topolino and Mega Almanacco, so I guess
my exposure to Scarpa's work is slightly more than Don's, not that
that matters, since, like Don's is toward "The Ducks", my enjoyment
is primarily from "The Mouse." I was merely offering some possible
speculations as to why Don didn't care much for Scarpa... Everyone
is certainly entitled to their own likes and dislikes, as well as
personal biases (or "preferences", if you will). Don answered my
queries so I guess I should leave it at that.

> What you might be referring to is some discussion here on
> the List a year or two back...

You may be right. I recall a discussion concerning ommission of
text and art WRT to Scarpa from earlier Mailing Lists, though I
think there was also something about severl panels or even pages
of text ommitted from a Cavazzano "Fethry" tale as well. Perhaps
the Scarpa *changes* were really minor by comparison?

> TO ALL CONTINUITY FREAKS --

I don't want to respond to the "prunes" comment, since that seems
unimportant (to me). You seem very upset with this train of
thought... I hope that's not the case.

WRT "continuity" vs. "nonsequiturs" (I'm sure there's a better
word than that, but it eludes me at the moment) I probably shouldn't
even persue this line of discussion since it appears to be a very
volitile topic for some, but I guess it must be my Libran nature that
desires balance, anyhow...

I don't understand why we can't have both? As humans with a natural
need for order in the things of our lives, it's quite understandable
that there are folks who enjoy seeing stories that are a part of a
conscious effort toward continuity, while retaining the element of
"fun." However, I can honestly admit I enjoy stories which stand
completely on their own merrits, completely independent of any
perceived facts established in other stories. My only true
requirement in this respect is that the comic be enjoyable... whether
it is linear or not. Though, I'd imagine, even you would expect the
characters to be "in character" when placed in these stories. In
other words, if Scrooge was to suddenly act more like Goofy, and no
reasonable explanation is given by the end of the tale (infact should
he remain in Goofy's character by the end), even you wouldn't find
that redeemable. Maybe continuity is just a matter of degrees for
folks, some like lots, others, just the bare minimum (i.e., that
Scrooge acts Scrooge-like).

I think it's an impossible task to expect all writers to check with
eachother before writing a tale, but some modicum or sense of
continuity should be there, to keep the characters "in character."

Rich
((Email removed))

-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html

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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #109
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Hello,

About "The Flying Scot":
Happy to hear that soon it will be published in the USA (BTW is there
someone who wants to trade it with some italian stuff?) and yet more
happy to hear that will be published in its full version! You'll see it
with your eyes, don, and I'm sure that you, and many others, will
appreciate it!
**SPOILERS**
About the story's structure, I fully agree with Harry and his example of
Atlantis's story, and when I read it for the first time it didn't seemed
unbeliveable to me that on 3rd May it rains sardines on Tegucigalpa!
And many gags are excellent, even if not related to the story: think of
US self imprisoned for his money wasting :-)))))

------

About Bonifacio:
Many of you made me notice that the character occourring in "L'inferno
di Topolino" is Cosimo, a different character than Bonifacio, and you
all were right, my fault! :-( As a partial excuse I can say that
Bonifacio may be a grown Bertie, and all his bad-luck is a sort of
celestial punition for all his malicious mischiefs.... (a weak excuse,
isn't it?)
BTW, Marco, here at the office I can't check where Cosimo appears, but I
think that Eta's scan can be useful.

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About the multi-character stories:
Cuirious that this question came up while talking about "L'inferno di
Topolino": in this story appear almost ALL Disney characters of that
period (1949), calling from memory: Mickey, Goofy, Pete, Minnie, Eega
Beeva, Cucciolo (one of the 7 dwarves, I don't recall his english name,
he is the dumb one), Eli Squinch, Donald, HDL, Bad Wolf, Brer Bear, Brer
Fox (?), Brer Rabbit, Pluto, Bertie and maybe many others (surely some
of the humanized childs that appear too are very similar to Lucignolo).
Hey, it's really a GREAT story.....

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About Renata Rizzo:
Didn't we agreed that she never wrote anything? Wasn't it just a fake
name for Guido Martina???

Ciao,

- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney

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Danny wrote:

<<My wife found some Whitman Disney comics from the late 70s in her
mom's old stuff, and I was just wondering if there is something like
an online source where I can see what they are worth. Not much
probably, but I am just curious, since those are the oldest comics I
have now.
In case one of you knows more, it's
Donald Duck # 208, 209, 210
Mickey Mouse # 212
Chip n Dale #72>>

You don't list condition (which affects comics prices greatly), so let me list
mint prices:

Donald duck $5 ($2 in fine)
Mickey Mouse $2 (80 cents in fine)
Chip N Dale $1.50

Cheaper than the new books I see. And these are your oldest comics?
I'm suddenly feeling very very old...

My oldest? three pre-Barks WDC&S and a couple of Mickey Mouse Magazines (one
of which blurbs: Coming soon: Pinocchio)

Steven Rowe

MOST (RECURRING) CHARACTERS IN A STORY:
FRANCOIS WILLOT:
>> David, Soeren:
>> >> I'd be interested in knowing what the greatest number of characters
>> >> appearing in a single Disney comic story is.
>
>For instance, B 810236 where Donald and Daisy got married. It features:
>
>DD,FE,JO,O'Hara,Rosinha,GO,MM,Rockerduck,CL,MI,Slicker,BB,PB,DA,
>GL,GY !

WOW! Another interesting story. Since I doubt the hitching was a
completed act (Don & Daisy probably didn't go through with the wedding
by the end), I would still love to see this tale. I checked the database
on-line but I guess it's not in there. Does anyone know WHERE this tale
has appeared (what books, what years?).

Also, who is "Slicker" in your above listing? Does he correspond to
Montmorency (Monty) Rodent. a.k.a. Mortimer (called "Topesio" by the
Italians and "Ranulfo" in Brazil)? In stories where Topesio or Ranulfo
appear, he is still chasing Minnie (and irking Mickey), though his
primary target for torture appears to be Goofy (by pulling practical
jokes on him).

Just to add my 7 and a half cents, the tale in which I find the most Disney
characters might be "Paperino e il Carneval del Movimento" from "Mega
Almanacco" #350 in which I see Donald, Fethry, Scrooge, Jose Carioca,
Nestor, Rosita, Phantom Blot, Rockerduck, Goofy, Mickey, Chief O'Hara,
Minnie, Topesio [Mortimer], Minnie, 4 Beagle Boys, Clarabelle, Gyro (with
Li'l Helper), Eega Beeva, Gladstone and Daisy, and possibly Belle Duck
(dressed as the Babylonian Princess). 20 or more characters (hey, it was
Carnivale afterall). Storycode: B 810236

I'm surprised no one from Italy mentioned "Disney Olimpiadi" (J 1705)
in which appears: Scrooge, Rockerduck, the Owl Judge, Gyro, HD&L,
Sgrizzo, Fethry, Donald, Filo Sganga, Brigitta, Cavillo Busillis, Pete,
Trudy, Chief O'Hara, Det. Casey (Manetta), Plottigat, 3 Beagle Boys, Bruto,
Mickey, and some minor Scarpa creations Zilia, Ducklien, Gallien and the
Paperoidi. This story being approximately 250 pages long could be the
LONGEST Disney story on record?

DAVID GERSTEIN:
Thanks for your perspective on Toby. I seem to vaguely recall hearing or
reading about Al Taliaferro's "Boarding School Mystery" (1934) starring
Toby & Max. I guess that tale as well as the "Defective Agency" series
was riding the coat tails of what must have been a brief popularity for
Toby (as well as Max), akin to the much more lasting popularity of the 3
Little Pigs. I thought both characters had lots of potential, especially
since their personas were NOT duplicated by any other recurring Disney
characters (except for the case of Max Hare and perhaps Monty Rodent
a.k.a. Mortimer).

-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html

KRITON KYRIMIS --
It's been a LONG time since I read Sherlock Holmes, so I
can no longer evaluate "The Valley of Fear" as compared with the
other stories. But there's plenty of room for it to be least of
its series, and still a very good story.
Somewhere in my ancient, mouldering files, I have a copy
of "The Man from Oola-Oola" exactly as I received it from
Gladstone -- in English, but somewhat clumsy, not optimally
readable English. But I don't know exactly where and would have
to be strongly motivated before launching a search. I can no
longer recall the exact original wording of the ending, but do
remember thinking it was muddled and unclear, and I had to try to
make sense of it before dubbing in my own words.
But I do, very clearly, recall several references
throughout the story, both as I received it and as I modified
the language, to the fact that a considerable amount of time had
passed between the main action of the story and the portion that
took place on the island. So a reference to passage of time was
perfectly in keeping with the story as I was given it. (Anyway,
that was definitely a 1950s computer in the story -- not
surprising, since the story originally came out in the 1950s --
whereas I, for one, write Scrooge stories in an amorphous,
undefined "present".)
I can see where a different version of the ending, wher
e Scrooge was actually making a very expensive sacrifice, might
be reminiscent of the sacrifice he made in "Back to the Klondike"
-- but I think it would be inappropriate in this case. Mr. Bunz
may have been a highly esteemed colleague, but his place in
Scrooge's personal history can never be equated with that of
Glittering Goldie! I don't recall such a thing in the version I
worked from, and would not have added it because I think such a
deviance from his established behavior patterns would call for
much stronger motivation (the sort that Goldie could have
provided but Bunz could not).

DON ROSA --
I looked over what I wrote in yesterday's Digest, and I
guess it could be interpreted the way you say, tho that's not
how I intended it. Sorry for any confusion.

RICH BELLACERA --
I didn't have any impression you were denigrating my work
-- just that I think you misremembered some discussion on
Gladstone's publication of Scarpa. If it seemed I was taking
offense, let me say right now that I didn't.
There ARE cases in which Gladstone edited out parts of
published stories -- but these, I believe, came from a less-than-
wonderful period of Egmont's history, when there actually WAS
stuff in some stories that COULD be edited out. I don't see it
happening with Scarpa; and at the Egmont of today, there's a fair
amount of pressure to distill stories into the smallest space
they can possibly occupy.
I wasn't too upset either, over Barks getting his own
"prunes" continuity wrong. But if people are going to jump on
little glitches, there's one by the Master that they shouldn't
overlook.

Quack, Don

(Moooaaaannnnn!) I don't have the new Gladstone U$ issue yet, but I just
received this in an e-mail:
"My wife and I were reading your last
story, "W.H.A.D.A. L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N." (fantastic story,by the way) and
she noted something that I actually glossed right over. Scrooge mentions
that
the nephews' mother is his grand-daughter!!! Is this right, does Scrooge
have
children we don't know about?"

This is an error that was in the "official" script sent out by Egmont with
that story. Some foreign translators called me and notified me of it last
year, but I didn't really know when Gladstone was going to use that story to
warn them of the error (and I might not have remembered to warn them if I
had known their plans). But the word "granddaughter" should of course be
NIECE ! Aaauuugh! I guess the letterer just letters too fast to notice
what he's writing, because *anyone* should have known that was a drastic
FUBAR!!!
(But I'll stop short of giving my opinion on the answer to the final
question above...)