I have translated my Marco Rota page to English.
It is to be found via my comics-page
(http://home.sol.no/~vidasven/comics.htm) or
at http://home.sol.no/~vidasven/rotaeng.htm (If you
don't want to se the other comics-pages or if your browser doesn't
handle frames).
Let me know if you have any comments (or a scanned photo
of Rota)
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Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
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Topic: 199804
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Vidar Svendsen
Marco Rota
Message 196 -
1998-04-28 at 21:04:28
Fluks, H.W.
Answers
Message 197 -
1998-04-28 at 21:05:15
Stefan Persson wrote:
> Sometimes I find answers on a letter on the same one as the letter. Is
> there any way to find the next list on the Internet?
Some people (like me) receive the individual messages in stead of a
digest. So it can happen that our answer to a message appears in the
same digest.
--Harry.
> Sometimes I find answers on a letter on the same one as the letter. Is
> there any way to find the next list on the Internet?
Some people (like me) receive the individual messages in stead of a
digest. So it can happen that our answer to a message appears in the
same digest.
--Harry.
Danny Coenen
Disney comics Digest V98 #109
Message 198 -
1998-04-29 at 01:23:14
DON:
Whoops, well, I guess the only chapter I haven't read then was 6B.
I'll have to order that one from Gladstone.
> That's Dan Shane's website. We did all that almost 2
> years ago, so it IS
> hightime I gathered the many additional texts I've
> written for German albums and so forth and added
> some scans and gave them to Dan. You send me the
> spare time to do that and consider it done.
I wish I could do that! I love that web page, but I also know how much
work it is to keep them updated... Well, hopefully you guys will have
some time to work on that.
Another Lo$ suggestion (slightly inronic):
I bet if you wrote a part about Scrooge on the Titanic, possibly
meeting "Jack" and "Rose", it would be a bestseller! ;-) Not that any
true Rosa fan would care for that, though!
==
Danny Coenen
Visit me on the World Wide Web!
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http://surf.to/saturnpage
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Whoops, well, I guess the only chapter I haven't read then was 6B.
I'll have to order that one from Gladstone.
> That's Dan Shane's website. We did all that almost 2
> years ago, so it IS
> hightime I gathered the many additional texts I've
> written for German albums and so forth and added
> some scans and gave them to Dan. You send me the
> spare time to do that and consider it done.
I wish I could do that! I love that web page, but I also know how much
work it is to keep them updated... Well, hopefully you guys will have
some time to work on that.
Another Lo$ suggestion (slightly inronic):
I bet if you wrote a part about Scrooge on the Titanic, possibly
meeting "Jack" and "Rose", it would be a bestseller! ;-) Not that any
true Rosa fan would care for that, though!
==
Danny Coenen
Visit me on the World Wide Web!
The Foreign Exchange Student Homepage at
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Breakers/5042 or
http://surf.to/saturnpage
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Katie Sullivan
Daisy and Donald...married? Huh?
Message 199 -
1998-04-29 at 02:36:33
> FRANCOIS WROTE:
> For instance, B 810236 where Donald and Daisy got married. It features:
>
> DD,FE,JO,O'Hara,Rosinha,GO,MM,Rockerduck,CL,MI,Slicker,BB,PB,DA,GL,GY !
HUH???? Okay, I know this obviously isn't part of the "official canon" (whatever the heck that
means any more), but can I have details on this? (At least they wouldn't have to change the
embroided initials on their towels... :-)
We say sometimes we wish Daisy was more modernized. If she were to take a step in that direction,
would she hyphenate her name after marriage? Daisy Duck-Duck? ;-) (It's not as absurd as it
sounds. My parents know someone whose last name was Olson, and married a guy (not a blood
relation) whose name was also Olson, same spelling and everything...and hyphenated her name. I
think she just wanted to show off the fact that she was married. And after all the time Daisy and
Donald have been dating, perhaps she'd want to make such a blatant announcement, too! ;-)
Katie
> For instance, B 810236 where Donald and Daisy got married. It features:
>
> DD,FE,JO,O'Hara,Rosinha,GO,MM,Rockerduck,CL,MI,Slicker,BB,PB,DA,GL,GY !
HUH???? Okay, I know this obviously isn't part of the "official canon" (whatever the heck that
means any more), but can I have details on this? (At least they wouldn't have to change the
embroided initials on their towels... :-)
We say sometimes we wish Daisy was more modernized. If she were to take a step in that direction,
would she hyphenate her name after marriage? Daisy Duck-Duck? ;-) (It's not as absurd as it
sounds. My parents know someone whose last name was Olson, and married a guy (not a blood
relation) whose name was also Olson, same spelling and everything...and hyphenated her name. I
think she just wanted to show off the fact that she was married. And after all the time Daisy and
Donald have been dating, perhaps she'd want to make such a blatant announcement, too! ;-)
Katie
Eta Beta
98V#108 - #109
Message 200 -
1998-04-29 at 10:23:55
DON MARKSTEIN -
>I only know about the one Scarpa story I worked on for Gladstone, "The Man
>from Oola-Oola"...<snip>
>The example I've given once or twice in the past is a scene where Scrooge,
>in a fit of exasperation, throws a coin into a river -- his motivation for
>doing so made little sense to one who knows the Scrooge of Barks, and had
>to be changed.
You mean, why would a guy that saves his first dime throw away a
whole dollar ? ;-)
I don't see it as too disturbing, but you've done a brilliant piece
of translation, here. You've worked around the problem perfectly, and
it fits beautifully into the plot.
>There were some glitches in characterization (as perceived by Americans)
>that had to be covered in dialog...<snip>
Well, there's a... temporal glitch that I still perceive...
see answer to KRITON later on.
>Dwight Decker touched on this point a couple of months ago, when he said
>something about gritting his teeth when he sees the dome on top of the
>Money Bin. That merely scratches the surface of the modifications that
>have been made in the Italian version of Scrooge.
I mostly agree with the distinction of the different characterization
of Scrooge. That's why a change that *was* undoubtably made in the
dialogue puzzled me to the point of writing to Gladstone, back then,
but I had no answer.
Perhaps you can enlighten me on this point:
In the last page, second panel, the nephews ask Scrooge why they
didn't use the cableway to get up that cliff in the first place,
and Scrooge's answer, in Gladstone version is:
"Are you kidding? Do you know what it COSTS to shoot that thing?"
Now, in the original Italian, the line was something like:
"Oh, no! The harpoon might have HURT mr. Bunz!"
Now, it seems strange to me that Scrooge had been made look meaner
than intended by Scarpa, here...
Note that, by Italian standards, Scarpa's Scrooge is a "softie", and
especially in this story, his goodwill is sincere (for a change).
However, what I did appreciate to the point that I think it actually
made the story better was Mr. Bunz's language... in the original he
just made guttural sounds, while you made him understandable, with
very good comic results.
DAVID KING
>I'd be interested in knowing what the greatest number of characters
>appearing in a single Disney comic story is.
I'll put my 2 cents in here, too... ;-)
The record-story I know of is, again, "Capodanno e la torta
Papera", from "Almanacco Topolino" Jan. 1963.
It features, in appearing order, MM, Pluto, M&F, Goofy, Horace,
Clarabelle, Minnie, Grandma Duck, Daisy, AMJ, HDL, Gus, Scrooge,
DD, Gyro, LVD, Gladstone and 6 Beagle Boys...
That's 23 characters, and not counting *each* Beagle Boy... ;-)
KRITON
[to DON ROSA]
>I suspect that not having Scarpa's stories as part of your childhood is
>the reason why you feel indifferent towards his art. People like me, on
>the other hand, who have grown on a combination of Barks and Scarpa,
>have the same warm feelings towards both artists. In
>fact, from the stories I remember reading as a kid, probably more than
>half are by Scarpa.
We surely had very similar readings, as children... :-)
>As for Scarpa's art appearing simplistic, bear in mind that what you saw
>in the Gladstones is printed in larger size than the one for which it was
>intended.
I don't know whether this is the case, (I don't know what the original
size of the pages, as drawn, was) but artists working for "Topolino"
surely kept this point in mind. Too fine details would have been lost
in the final print on the digest.
However, in my "Comic Art" edition, which is the same size as the
Gladstone comics, the black lines are much finer, so it was probably
a matter of films, too...
[to DON MARKSTEIN on Man from Oola-Oola]
>The story ended with Scrooge giving the expensive computer to
>Mr. whatshisname to atone for having misjudged him. Scrooge justifies
>his generocity by saying that, in the years that had passed, that old
>vacuum tube computer had become obsolete, and was practically worthless
>these days. From the flow of the story, however, it would seem that
>Scrooge had tracked the guy immediately after leaving...
<snip>
>Do you remember what the original ending of the story was?
Practically the same, except that Scrooge talks about the future,
and the new computer Prof. Ticketacker/Hasenfeitz just built.
Now, this is a temporal glitch that didn't exist, in the
original, as you noticed yourself the "live" part follow suit
the "flashback" part, and there was no need, IMO, to introduce
a lapse of years inbetween. DON ?
STEVEN ROWE
>So, did Bertie Cow appear an any of the animated shorts?
According to Alberto Becattini, it didn't.
>I was wondering if Hubie Karp may have written the two comic
>book stories
I don't know about the comics, but Karp surely wrote the
"Calfie" gag from Silly Symphonies, drawn by Bob Grant.
SKN.
>BTW: and adoptive son called BRUTO... doesn't it remain you someone?
But Brutus is an honourable man... er... raven ?
I surely hope he's not going to slaughter poor old Ellsworth... ;-)
RICH
[L'inferno di Topolino]
>BTW, what is the original printing date and edition for this tale?
"Topolino" 7 - 12 , 10/49 - 3/50
Cheers
Eta Beta
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>I only know about the one Scarpa story I worked on for Gladstone, "The Man
>from Oola-Oola"...<snip>
>The example I've given once or twice in the past is a scene where Scrooge,
>in a fit of exasperation, throws a coin into a river -- his motivation for
>doing so made little sense to one who knows the Scrooge of Barks, and had
>to be changed.
You mean, why would a guy that saves his first dime throw away a
whole dollar ? ;-)
I don't see it as too disturbing, but you've done a brilliant piece
of translation, here. You've worked around the problem perfectly, and
it fits beautifully into the plot.
>There were some glitches in characterization (as perceived by Americans)
>that had to be covered in dialog...<snip>
Well, there's a... temporal glitch that I still perceive...
see answer to KRITON later on.
>Dwight Decker touched on this point a couple of months ago, when he said
>something about gritting his teeth when he sees the dome on top of the
>Money Bin. That merely scratches the surface of the modifications that
>have been made in the Italian version of Scrooge.
I mostly agree with the distinction of the different characterization
of Scrooge. That's why a change that *was* undoubtably made in the
dialogue puzzled me to the point of writing to Gladstone, back then,
but I had no answer.
Perhaps you can enlighten me on this point:
In the last page, second panel, the nephews ask Scrooge why they
didn't use the cableway to get up that cliff in the first place,
and Scrooge's answer, in Gladstone version is:
"Are you kidding? Do you know what it COSTS to shoot that thing?"
Now, in the original Italian, the line was something like:
"Oh, no! The harpoon might have HURT mr. Bunz!"
Now, it seems strange to me that Scrooge had been made look meaner
than intended by Scarpa, here...
Note that, by Italian standards, Scarpa's Scrooge is a "softie", and
especially in this story, his goodwill is sincere (for a change).
However, what I did appreciate to the point that I think it actually
made the story better was Mr. Bunz's language... in the original he
just made guttural sounds, while you made him understandable, with
very good comic results.
DAVID KING
>I'd be interested in knowing what the greatest number of characters
>appearing in a single Disney comic story is.
I'll put my 2 cents in here, too... ;-)
The record-story I know of is, again, "Capodanno e la torta
Papera", from "Almanacco Topolino" Jan. 1963.
It features, in appearing order, MM, Pluto, M&F, Goofy, Horace,
Clarabelle, Minnie, Grandma Duck, Daisy, AMJ, HDL, Gus, Scrooge,
DD, Gyro, LVD, Gladstone and 6 Beagle Boys...
That's 23 characters, and not counting *each* Beagle Boy... ;-)
KRITON
[to DON ROSA]
>I suspect that not having Scarpa's stories as part of your childhood is
>the reason why you feel indifferent towards his art. People like me, on
>the other hand, who have grown on a combination of Barks and Scarpa,
>have the same warm feelings towards both artists. In
>fact, from the stories I remember reading as a kid, probably more than
>half are by Scarpa.
We surely had very similar readings, as children... :-)
>As for Scarpa's art appearing simplistic, bear in mind that what you saw
>in the Gladstones is printed in larger size than the one for which it was
>intended.
I don't know whether this is the case, (I don't know what the original
size of the pages, as drawn, was) but artists working for "Topolino"
surely kept this point in mind. Too fine details would have been lost
in the final print on the digest.
However, in my "Comic Art" edition, which is the same size as the
Gladstone comics, the black lines are much finer, so it was probably
a matter of films, too...
[to DON MARKSTEIN on Man from Oola-Oola]
>The story ended with Scrooge giving the expensive computer to
>Mr. whatshisname to atone for having misjudged him. Scrooge justifies
>his generocity by saying that, in the years that had passed, that old
>vacuum tube computer had become obsolete, and was practically worthless
>these days. From the flow of the story, however, it would seem that
>Scrooge had tracked the guy immediately after leaving...
<snip>
>Do you remember what the original ending of the story was?
Practically the same, except that Scrooge talks about the future,
and the new computer Prof. Ticketacker/Hasenfeitz just built.
Now, this is a temporal glitch that didn't exist, in the
original, as you noticed yourself the "live" part follow suit
the "flashback" part, and there was no need, IMO, to introduce
a lapse of years inbetween. DON ?
STEVEN ROWE
>So, did Bertie Cow appear an any of the animated shorts?
According to Alberto Becattini, it didn't.
>I was wondering if Hubie Karp may have written the two comic
>book stories
I don't know about the comics, but Karp surely wrote the
"Calfie" gag from Silly Symphonies, drawn by Bob Grant.
SKN.
>BTW: and adoptive son called BRUTO... doesn't it remain you someone?
But Brutus is an honourable man... er... raven ?
I surely hope he's not going to slaughter poor old Ellsworth... ;-)
RICH
[L'inferno di Topolino]
>BTW, what is the original printing date and edition for this tale?
"Topolino" 7 - 12 , 10/49 - 3/50
Cheers
Eta Beta
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Fluks, H.W.
Off-topic
Message 201 -
1998-04-29 at 14:29:43
Katie:
>would she hyphenate her name after marriage? Daisy Duck-Duck? ;-)
>It's not as absurd as it sounds.
In Holland it is quite common for married women to use both names with a
hyphen inbetween. My aunt is called Hinny Fluks-Fluks (her father and
her husband's father were cousins). In the Fluks family tree, there are
two more women called Fluks-Fluks.
(And I'm sure there must be a few Duck-Duck women already, like the
mother of April, May and June.)
--Harry Fluks.
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #110
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>would she hyphenate her name after marriage? Daisy Duck-Duck? ;-)
>It's not as absurd as it sounds.
In Holland it is quite common for married women to use both names with a
hyphen inbetween. My aunt is called Hinny Fluks-Fluks (her father and
her husband's father were cousins). In the Fluks family tree, there are
two more women called Fluks-Fluks.
(And I'm sure there must be a few Duck-Duck women already, like the
mother of April, May and June.)
--Harry Fluks.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #110
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Eta Beta
Renata Rizzo
Message 202 -
1998-04-29 at 15:34:38
LUNA STORTA
>About Renata Rizzo:
>Didn't we agreed that she never wrote anything? Wasn't it just a fake
>name for Guido Martina???
Wak! I always believed she was Martina's *wife*, and did write
together with him.... ?
Cheers
Eta Beta
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>About Renata Rizzo:
>Didn't we agreed that she never wrote anything? Wasn't it just a fake
>name for Guido Martina???
Wak! I always believed she was Martina's *wife*, and did write
together with him.... ?
Cheers
Eta Beta
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Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #110
Message 203 -
1998-04-29 at 16:07:58
DON:
> But the word "granddaughter" should of course be
> NIECE ! Aaauuugh!
For better or worse, this misprint now makes it an established fact that
Scrooge does have children, making those requests about the story telling what
*really* happened between Scrooge and Goldie to be taken more seriously.
BTW, I just read the WHADALOTTAJARGON issue, and I must admit that it
contained some of the funniest duck stories I've ever read. The best
one was, of course, the leading story, which had me laughing to tears--I
have the wet spots on the comic book to prove it! Regarding the title,
apart from its being an ingenious acronym, I wonder if it is also a cry
of frustration because of all the other acronyms you had to invent for
this story!
I hope this issue was not a fluke, and that Gladstone will follow up with
similar issues. WDC&S just dropped by one place in the list of the world's
best comic books!
ETA BETA:
> KRITON
> >from the stories I remember reading as a kid, probably more than
> >half are by Scarpa.
>
> We surely had very similar readings, as children... :-)
The "half" refers to the stories I remember, not the ones I read :-),
but the Greek "Mickey Mouse" magazine did publish a lot of classic stuff
from both Greece and Italy back in the 60s.
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Changing history is a very fanatical idea, you know."
-----
> But the word "granddaughter" should of course be
> NIECE ! Aaauuugh!
For better or worse, this misprint now makes it an established fact that
Scrooge does have children, making those requests about the story telling what
*really* happened between Scrooge and Goldie to be taken more seriously.
BTW, I just read the WHADALOTTAJARGON issue, and I must admit that it
contained some of the funniest duck stories I've ever read. The best
one was, of course, the leading story, which had me laughing to tears--I
have the wet spots on the comic book to prove it! Regarding the title,
apart from its being an ingenious acronym, I wonder if it is also a cry
of frustration because of all the other acronyms you had to invent for
this story!
I hope this issue was not a fluke, and that Gladstone will follow up with
similar issues. WDC&S just dropped by one place in the list of the world's
best comic books!
ETA BETA:
> KRITON
> >from the stories I remember reading as a kid, probably more than
> >half are by Scarpa.
>
> We surely had very similar readings, as children... :-)
The "half" refers to the stories I remember, not the ones I read :-),
but the Greek "Mickey Mouse" magazine did publish a lot of classic stuff
from both Greece and Italy back in the 60s.
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Changing history is a very fanatical idea, you know."
-----
Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 204 -
1998-04-29 at 17:13:27
LUNA STORTA --
Thanks for supplying the Italian ending to the "Oola-Oola"
story. I don't have the English version I started with in front
of me to check, but I do NOT recall that as being in it.
Apparently, there were modifications before I even saw the story.
Which, of course, leads to speculation -- I wonder if one or two
of the modifications I made actually RESTORED it . . .
ETA BETA --
I'm glad you liked my modified motivation for Scrooge to
throw a coin into the river. I was pretty pleased with how well
it meshed with the art, too. The original motivation (someday his
fortune might be reduced to a single coin, and having it around
as a reminder would be too painful, so it's better to chuck it
now) was not only weak -- it didn't make sense to me at all.
Finding all the logical glitches is an exercise for the reader --
not that logical glitches can't be funny, but I didn't think
these were.
When I changed the bit about shooting the harpoon, I was
thinking of two things -- first, the unlikelihood of having it
come down on Bunz when it's got the whole island to land on, and
second, Barks having Scrooge hike through mountains for a week
to save a few bucks. It just seemed truer to the character, as
well as more likely to get a laugh.
And I'm REALLY glad you liked the language. I had loads of
fun with Mr. Bunz's dialog!
Quack, Don
Thanks for supplying the Italian ending to the "Oola-Oola"
story. I don't have the English version I started with in front
of me to check, but I do NOT recall that as being in it.
Apparently, there were modifications before I even saw the story.
Which, of course, leads to speculation -- I wonder if one or two
of the modifications I made actually RESTORED it . . .
ETA BETA --
I'm glad you liked my modified motivation for Scrooge to
throw a coin into the river. I was pretty pleased with how well
it meshed with the art, too. The original motivation (someday his
fortune might be reduced to a single coin, and having it around
as a reminder would be too painful, so it's better to chuck it
now) was not only weak -- it didn't make sense to me at all.
Finding all the logical glitches is an exercise for the reader --
not that logical glitches can't be funny, but I didn't think
these were.
When I changed the bit about shooting the harpoon, I was
thinking of two things -- first, the unlikelihood of having it
come down on Bunz when it's got the whole island to land on, and
second, Barks having Scrooge hike through mountains for a week
to save a few bucks. It just seemed truer to the character, as
well as more likely to get a laugh.
And I'm REALLY glad you liked the language. I had loads of
fun with Mr. Bunz's dialog!
Quack, Don
Fluks, H.W.
Puindorps Dagblad
Message 205 -
1998-04-29 at 18:32:09
DON M:
> The original motivation (someday his
> fortune might be reduced to a single coin, and having it around
> as a reminder would be too painful, so it's better to chuck it
> now) was not only weak -- it didn't make sense to me at all.
I find that a *very* funny joke! I like that kind of logic. It's a pity
that it didn't make sense to you...
Anyway, thanks for telling, so I could have my big laugh now! 8-)
--Harry.
> The original motivation (someday his
> fortune might be reduced to a single coin, and having it around
> as a reminder would be too painful, so it's better to chuck it
> now) was not only weak -- it didn't make sense to me at all.
I find that a *very* funny joke! I like that kind of logic. It's a pity
that it didn't make sense to you...
Anyway, thanks for telling, so I could have my big laugh now! 8-)
--Harry.
Marco Barlotti
Man from Oola-Oola
Message 206 -
1998-04-29 at 19:57:41
KRITON+PAOLO:
KK>Do you remember what the original ending of the story
KK>was? If there was no mention of the computer having
KK>become obsolete, why was this introduced in the English
KK>version, thus reducing the impact of the original
KK>ending?
>
LS>Quoting from memory: In the italian original version Uncle Scrooge says
LS>that the same professor built him a newer computer identical to the
LS>original one, but that doesn't need to be manipulated by a nice guy.
>
Paolo is right. I checked on my original copy.
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex
KK>Do you remember what the original ending of the story
KK>was? If there was no mention of the computer having
KK>become obsolete, why was this introduced in the English
KK>version, thus reducing the impact of the original
KK>ending?
>
LS>Quoting from memory: In the italian original version Uncle Scrooge says
LS>that the same professor built him a newer computer identical to the
LS>original one, but that doesn't need to be manipulated by a nice guy.
>
Paolo is right. I checked on my original copy.
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex
Marco Barlotti
The marriage of Donald and Daisy Duck
Message 207 -
1998-04-29 at 19:57:45
FW>For instance, B 810236 where Donald and Daisy got married.
>
RB>WOW! Another interesting story. Since I doubt the hitching was a
RB>completed act (Don & Daisy probably didn't go through with the wedding
RB>by the end), I would still love to see this tale.
Well, the story I know about this marriage is in fact a different one:
B 870024
It looks like in Brazil they LIKE this subject ;-)
*****************SPOILER********************
*********************************************
The act was completed enough, and D+D got SIX children (three males and
three females) with Daisy's FIRST pregnancy...
There is of course a final surprise which all of you can imagine!
Anyway, the story is nice enough and well-drawn (with an excellent drawing
of the Notre-Duck cathedral), featuring a few pleasant gags (like Minnie
hinting to Mickey: good examples SHOULD be followed!).
*************END OF SPOILER****************
*********************************************
RB>I checked the database
RB>on-line but I guess it's not in there. Does anyone know WHERE this tale
RB>has appeared (what books, what years?).
The one I'm talking about has appeared in Italy on "Mega Almanacco" #380 of
August 1988, while I have no notice of B 810236 having ever been published
in Italy (but my data are far from complete...)
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics
>
RB>WOW! Another interesting story. Since I doubt the hitching was a
RB>completed act (Don & Daisy probably didn't go through with the wedding
RB>by the end), I would still love to see this tale.
Well, the story I know about this marriage is in fact a different one:
B 870024
It looks like in Brazil they LIKE this subject ;-)
*****************SPOILER********************
*********************************************
The act was completed enough, and D+D got SIX children (three males and
three females) with Daisy's FIRST pregnancy...
There is of course a final surprise which all of you can imagine!
Anyway, the story is nice enough and well-drawn (with an excellent drawing
of the Notre-Duck cathedral), featuring a few pleasant gags (like Minnie
hinting to Mickey: good examples SHOULD be followed!).
*************END OF SPOILER****************
*********************************************
RB>I checked the database
RB>on-line but I guess it's not in there. Does anyone know WHERE this tale
RB>has appeared (what books, what years?).
The one I'm talking about has appeared in Italy on "Mega Almanacco" #380 of
August 1988, while I have no notice of B 810236 having ever been published
in Italy (but my data are far from complete...)
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics
Marco Barlotti
Greatest number of major characters in a single story
Message 208 -
1998-04-29 at 19:57:47
CLAUDIA
nice to see another Italian aboard. First we'll get India, then the DC
mailing list, then we'll conquer the WORLD.... :-p :-p :-p
>I remember a story being published many years ago here in Italy, (not a
>wonderful one indeed), whose title was "Topolino e il Paese delle Vacanze"
>("Mickey Mouse and the Land of Holidays"), in which the whole Disney band
>went together on a holiday
This is probably a "MM in Disneyland" or so special, so it's probably an
American story and as such should suit David. The only problem is tracing it
down.
It was on "Almanacco Topolino", wasn't it? Maybe Alberto can help us...
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it
nice to see another Italian aboard. First we'll get India, then the DC
mailing list, then we'll conquer the WORLD.... :-p :-p :-p
>I remember a story being published many years ago here in Italy, (not a
>wonderful one indeed), whose title was "Topolino e il Paese delle Vacanze"
>("Mickey Mouse and the Land of Holidays"), in which the whole Disney band
>went together on a holiday
This is probably a "MM in Disneyland" or so special, so it's probably an
American story and as such should suit David. The only problem is tracing it
down.
It was on "Almanacco Topolino", wasn't it? Maybe Alberto can help us...
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it
Francois Willot
A few replies
Message 209 -
1998-04-29 at 20:33:54
Rich wrote:
>so I did a search in the DC database to find the original presentation
>of of this tale with no results. I checked under "The Detective
>Agency", "The Defective Agency", "The Detective Bureau", "The Defective
>Bureau" and "Toby Tortoise" and even "Def/tective agency" as written by
I think it's not there, indeed.
>I realize (and appreciate) the *gag* in the title of the tale, but can
>anyone provide the *regular expression* for the title and give the date
>of it's first printed appearance (I guess in that English MM Weekly)?
I haven't the book here, but I'll check tomorrow.
>>DD,FE,JO,O'Hara,Rosinha,GO,MM,Rockerduck,CL,MI,Slicker,BB,PB,DA,
>>GL,GY !
>[Donald, Fethry, Neighbour Jones, Chief O'Hara, Goofy, Mickey,
>Rockerduck, Clarabelle, Minnie, Beagle Boys, Phantom Blot, Daisy,
>Gladstone, Gyro]
>
>WOW! Another interesting story. Since I doubt the hitching was a
>completed act (Don & Daisy probably didn't go through with the wedding
>by the end)
You're right of course! The entire story is a dream. When Donald wakes
up, he says to Daisy he made a stupid dream, a marriage, and Daisy
becomes very angry.
>Does anyone know WHERE this tale has appeared (what books, what
>years?).
In "Picsou" # 192. By the way, Scrooge is also in the story.
It's in the DcD, but only as an issue entry, not as a story. I think
it'll be in the future.
>Also, who is "Slicker" in your above listing? Does he correspond to
>Montmorency (Monty) Rodent. a.k.a. Mortimer (called "Topesio" by the
>Italians and "Ranulfo" in Brazil)?
Yes, that's him. Called "Ratino" in France. I looked at the story, but I
think I made an error, this is not "Slicker" actually, but Sylvester
Shyster. That's the english name, if I'm not mistaken, of the notary in
Death Valley, "Chicaneau" here (a very good name).
>In stories where Topesio or Ranulfo
>appear, he is still chasing Minnie (and irking Mickey), though his
>primary target for torture appears to be Goofy (by pulling practical
>jokes on him).
I indexed at least one story with "Slicker", S 77182, published in JM
1490.
>Almanacco" #350 in which I see Donald, Fethry, Scrooge, Jose Carioca,
>Nestor, Rosita, Phantom Blot, Rockerduck, Goofy, Mickey, Chief O'Hara,
>Minnie, Topesio [Mortimer], Minnie, 4 Beagle Boys, Clarabelle, Gyro
>(with Li'l Helper), Eega Beeva, Gladstone and Daisy, and possibly Belle
>Duck (dressed as the Babylonian Princess). 20 or more characters (hey,
>it was Carnivale afterall). Storycode: B 810236
It's not the same story, so my code is wrong (or *your* code is wrong!).
Frederik:
>Does anyone know about any other Disney comics (or any comics) where
>ju-jutsu (jiujitsu, ju jitsu, etc) is used or mentioned? I already know
>about Barks' "Vacation Time".
In Picsou # 188, there's a Gottfredson daily, from the 40s, whose title
is "Sur un air de jiu-jitsu".
Francois
>so I did a search in the DC database to find the original presentation
>of of this tale with no results. I checked under "The Detective
>Agency", "The Defective Agency", "The Detective Bureau", "The Defective
>Bureau" and "Toby Tortoise" and even "Def/tective agency" as written by
I think it's not there, indeed.
>I realize (and appreciate) the *gag* in the title of the tale, but can
>anyone provide the *regular expression* for the title and give the date
>of it's first printed appearance (I guess in that English MM Weekly)?
I haven't the book here, but I'll check tomorrow.
>>DD,FE,JO,O'Hara,Rosinha,GO,MM,Rockerduck,CL,MI,Slicker,BB,PB,DA,
>>GL,GY !
>[Donald, Fethry, Neighbour Jones, Chief O'Hara, Goofy, Mickey,
>Rockerduck, Clarabelle, Minnie, Beagle Boys, Phantom Blot, Daisy,
>Gladstone, Gyro]
>
>WOW! Another interesting story. Since I doubt the hitching was a
>completed act (Don & Daisy probably didn't go through with the wedding
>by the end)
You're right of course! The entire story is a dream. When Donald wakes
up, he says to Daisy he made a stupid dream, a marriage, and Daisy
becomes very angry.
>Does anyone know WHERE this tale has appeared (what books, what
>years?).
In "Picsou" # 192. By the way, Scrooge is also in the story.
It's in the DcD, but only as an issue entry, not as a story. I think
it'll be in the future.
>Also, who is "Slicker" in your above listing? Does he correspond to
>Montmorency (Monty) Rodent. a.k.a. Mortimer (called "Topesio" by the
>Italians and "Ranulfo" in Brazil)?
Yes, that's him. Called "Ratino" in France. I looked at the story, but I
think I made an error, this is not "Slicker" actually, but Sylvester
Shyster. That's the english name, if I'm not mistaken, of the notary in
Death Valley, "Chicaneau" here (a very good name).
>In stories where Topesio or Ranulfo
>appear, he is still chasing Minnie (and irking Mickey), though his
>primary target for torture appears to be Goofy (by pulling practical
>jokes on him).
I indexed at least one story with "Slicker", S 77182, published in JM
1490.
>Almanacco" #350 in which I see Donald, Fethry, Scrooge, Jose Carioca,
>Nestor, Rosita, Phantom Blot, Rockerduck, Goofy, Mickey, Chief O'Hara,
>Minnie, Topesio [Mortimer], Minnie, 4 Beagle Boys, Clarabelle, Gyro
>(with Li'l Helper), Eega Beeva, Gladstone and Daisy, and possibly Belle
>Duck (dressed as the Babylonian Princess). 20 or more characters (hey,
>it was Carnivale afterall). Storycode: B 810236
It's not the same story, so my code is wrong (or *your* code is wrong!).
Frederik:
>Does anyone know about any other Disney comics (or any comics) where
>ju-jutsu (jiujitsu, ju jitsu, etc) is used or mentioned? I already know
>about Barks' "Vacation Time".
In Picsou # 188, there's a Gottfredson daily, from the 40s, whose title
is "Sur un air de jiu-jitsu".
Francois
Aderack
Disney comics Digest V98 #110
Message 210 -
1998-04-29 at 23:01:53
DON:
> But the word "granddaughter" should of course be
> NIECE ! Aaauuugh! I guess the letterer just letters too fast to notice
> what he's writing, because *anyone* should have known that was a drastic
> FUBAR!!!
I noticed this, too (admittedly, not until after a couple of readings) -- but,
hey -- $crooge is just regaining conciousness as he mumbles his remark. His
brain's probably just in a mixmaster. <g>
Okay; back to lurking.
> But the word "granddaughter" should of course be
> NIECE ! Aaauuugh! I guess the letterer just letters too fast to notice
> what he's writing, because *anyone* should have known that was a drastic
> FUBAR!!!
I noticed this, too (admittedly, not until after a couple of readings) -- but,
hey -- $crooge is just regaining conciousness as he mumbles his remark. His
brain's probably just in a mixmaster. <g>
Okay; back to lurking.