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We are Scarpa fans and having just summer cleaned the house have everything
put away temporarily so cannot tell you the name of my favorites so far.
One we have read several times is the one where Donald accidentally "bids"
on an old ship in an auction he pops into.
He and the boys spruce up the ship and head off to Antarctica to do surveys
of uncharted territories so they won't loose the house paying for the ship.
Uncle $crooge sends them with a penguin talisman.
I also like several of the Mickey stories by Scarpa, but did not care for
the last stories Gladstone has printed by Scarpa, especially not "Lentils
of Babylon". It was way below the quality of storytelling I would expect
from him, but figure like all creators there are the good, bad, and maybe
some lesser stories.
Author
Topic: 199804
(229 messages)
Kfitz
Scarpa
Message 31 -
1998-04-05 at 04:10:45
Katie Sullivan
Oh, Joy!
Message 32 -
1998-04-05 at 04:26:53
Hi again, everyone!
Thanks to everyone who commented on U$ 309 and my art! :-)
I finally got my little feathered hands on WDC&S 624 and U$ 309 today. The timing couldn't
have been better, as I am currently suffering from a rotten cold. Achoooo!!!
Anyway, my comments...
I managed to make it four panels into WHADALOTTAJARGON (excuse my omission of all those
periods between letters...) without laughing out loud. Have I mentioned how much I love
Rosa's work? ;-) Without *too many spoilers*, let me say this: I loved the giant fruit bat,
the brilliant acronyms, the unedited filmstrip, Snozzie's _close_ inspection of Donald, the
gag concerning Grandma Duck's exact title, and the mouse raiding the potato chip bag. I
always appreciate how Rosa ties various relationships within the duck universe together with
the ducks and Duckburgian history. One question: Is Grandma Duck's relationship
(granddaughter) to Cornelius Coot, (and therefore ties to the Woodchucks), an invention of
Rosa's? I don't remember that family tie mentioned anywhere else. I really like it, and it's
logical, but I'm wondering if Rosa was the first to make the connection.
Also, I remember when WHADALOTTAJARGON arrived in Europe, there was some discussion about the
identity of the man walking out of the comic book store. What was the verdict? Is it
supposed to be Rosa, or who? And I realized the significance of the name Taliaferro, but what
about Osborne? Forgive my ignorance, but although the name is familiar, I don't know where I
heard it from.
The other offerings in U$ 309 were enjoyable, but not of the magnitude of a new Rosa work.
:-)
"Money to Burn" was a fun read. Surprisingly long, but quite imaginative.
"Deep Sea Trouble" was filled with typical Beagle hijinks and Donald buffoonery, but detailed
drawing and good gags (especially the hungry octopus) made it a worthwhile story.
The last story, (I believe untitled), was very original, and I loved the name "Farawaystan".
Rather Barkensian. One has to wonder why neither Scrooge nor Donald noticed the
Beagle-ishness showing through the costumes, but then that would have ruined the story! ;-)
Moving on to WDC&S 624...
"Their Loaded Forebear" was interesting, with a funny ending. I thought the art was more
connected and polished than some of Van Horn's other work, but that's just my opinion.
I've got to applaud the conclusion of "The Secret of the Ancient Incas", if only because it
has my favorite animals, llamas in it! On the whole, however, it is one of the better Mickey
stories I've read lately. Perhaps I liked it because it was an adventure story similar to the
ducks' adventures. (Nothing against you Mickey purists out there! :-)
Regarding the Bucky Bug tale: It was fun to see some different Junkville residents,
especially the cute children bugs at the end.
It's always a pleasure to encounter a Rosa story, but wasn't this Donald story printed quite
recently? Oh well. After WHADALOTTAJARGON, I can't complain. And I seem to notice something
different every time I read a Rosa story. In this case, it was the goldfish outside of the
bowl in third-to-last panel.
Clara Cluck! That was a surprise. The story wasn't anything all that special, but she's a
neat character, and I didn't really mind her inclusion.
"The Bear Tamer" was a fun story. Gyro and Gladstone make an interesting pair, and it was
interesting to see them interact. It's also nice to know that (at least when Donald is
absent) Gladstone doesn't trust his luck 100%.
This turned into a very long message, didn't it? :-)
One more thing:
I spent some time this afternoon while watching television, flipping through some old comics.
I looked through titles of The Junior Woodchucks, Daisy and Donald, Donald, and various Duck
Family Albums. The purpose of my search was to uncover previously undiscovered Phooeys. (4
nephews). I had no luck. :-( I really want to discover a new appearance of Phooey!
I'll shut my beak now! :-)
Quackcerely,
Katie
Thanks to everyone who commented on U$ 309 and my art! :-)
I finally got my little feathered hands on WDC&S 624 and U$ 309 today. The timing couldn't
have been better, as I am currently suffering from a rotten cold. Achoooo!!!
Anyway, my comments...
I managed to make it four panels into WHADALOTTAJARGON (excuse my omission of all those
periods between letters...) without laughing out loud. Have I mentioned how much I love
Rosa's work? ;-) Without *too many spoilers*, let me say this: I loved the giant fruit bat,
the brilliant acronyms, the unedited filmstrip, Snozzie's _close_ inspection of Donald, the
gag concerning Grandma Duck's exact title, and the mouse raiding the potato chip bag. I
always appreciate how Rosa ties various relationships within the duck universe together with
the ducks and Duckburgian history. One question: Is Grandma Duck's relationship
(granddaughter) to Cornelius Coot, (and therefore ties to the Woodchucks), an invention of
Rosa's? I don't remember that family tie mentioned anywhere else. I really like it, and it's
logical, but I'm wondering if Rosa was the first to make the connection.
Also, I remember when WHADALOTTAJARGON arrived in Europe, there was some discussion about the
identity of the man walking out of the comic book store. What was the verdict? Is it
supposed to be Rosa, or who? And I realized the significance of the name Taliaferro, but what
about Osborne? Forgive my ignorance, but although the name is familiar, I don't know where I
heard it from.
The other offerings in U$ 309 were enjoyable, but not of the magnitude of a new Rosa work.
:-)
"Money to Burn" was a fun read. Surprisingly long, but quite imaginative.
"Deep Sea Trouble" was filled with typical Beagle hijinks and Donald buffoonery, but detailed
drawing and good gags (especially the hungry octopus) made it a worthwhile story.
The last story, (I believe untitled), was very original, and I loved the name "Farawaystan".
Rather Barkensian. One has to wonder why neither Scrooge nor Donald noticed the
Beagle-ishness showing through the costumes, but then that would have ruined the story! ;-)
Moving on to WDC&S 624...
"Their Loaded Forebear" was interesting, with a funny ending. I thought the art was more
connected and polished than some of Van Horn's other work, but that's just my opinion.
I've got to applaud the conclusion of "The Secret of the Ancient Incas", if only because it
has my favorite animals, llamas in it! On the whole, however, it is one of the better Mickey
stories I've read lately. Perhaps I liked it because it was an adventure story similar to the
ducks' adventures. (Nothing against you Mickey purists out there! :-)
Regarding the Bucky Bug tale: It was fun to see some different Junkville residents,
especially the cute children bugs at the end.
It's always a pleasure to encounter a Rosa story, but wasn't this Donald story printed quite
recently? Oh well. After WHADALOTTAJARGON, I can't complain. And I seem to notice something
different every time I read a Rosa story. In this case, it was the goldfish outside of the
bowl in third-to-last panel.
Clara Cluck! That was a surprise. The story wasn't anything all that special, but she's a
neat character, and I didn't really mind her inclusion.
"The Bear Tamer" was a fun story. Gyro and Gladstone make an interesting pair, and it was
interesting to see them interact. It's also nice to know that (at least when Donald is
absent) Gladstone doesn't trust his luck 100%.
This turned into a very long message, didn't it? :-)
One more thing:
I spent some time this afternoon while watching television, flipping through some old comics.
I looked through titles of The Junior Woodchucks, Daisy and Donald, Donald, and various Duck
Family Albums. The purpose of my search was to uncover previously undiscovered Phooeys. (4
nephews). I had no luck. :-( I really want to discover a new appearance of Phooey!
I'll shut my beak now! :-)
Quackcerely,
Katie
Cebarat
Disney comics Digest V98 #92
Message 33 -
1998-04-05 at 21:26:39
Sorry I goofed when I sent the last message before its time! Here is what I
REALLY wanted to write...
In a message dated 98-04-03 22:21:16 EST, ARILD writes:
<< Why do so many animals in comics (and films/books) have human
personalities?
I'm writing about humanized (right word?) animals for school, and I am very
interested in your opinions. Also, why are these animals so popular, and are
they as popular now as they were before?
Thanx in advance >>
Anthropomorphized (the technical term) animals who serve as stand-ins for
humans have been used to satirize man's foibles since the days of Aesop's
Fables. Using animals instead of humans can help the author avoid such
treacherous pitfalls as ethnic differences (except when s/he wants to, of
course) and concentrate on the problems and flaws that are common to humanity.
Barks, of course, was a master at using Donald and his relatives to poke fun
at attitudes and mentalities that were all too well known to his readership.
Many modern anthro or "furry" artists and writers seem to take considerable
interest in using animals to tell stories involving relationships and sex.
Part of the reason, I'll wager, lies in the perceived "wholesomeness" of many
of the "funny animal" stars of the 40's and 50's and the resulting
iconoclast's urge to put these characters into situations that their handlers
would never condone. Think of AIR PIRATES FUNNIES for example. Of late,
however, the simple urge to bust stereotypes has given way to a desire to tell
stories of relationships, both physical and non-physical, without necessarily
having to bring human differences into the picture.
As to the popularity of "humanized animals" today: I'd have to say that the
"hardcore" anthro fans operate as something akin to a "cult," whereas the more
traditional "funny animals" like the Ducks and Mice have their share of adult
fans but have grown less popular with youngsters. Today's culture gives kids
so many different options -- and presents humanity, warts and all, in so many
different guises -- that the fable-like qualities of the best of the "funny
animals" genre isn't as much a part of growing up and learning about life as
it used to be. Adults' love of the Ducks and Mice is rooted in nostalgia and
an appreciation of the craftsmanship that went into their production.
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
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REALLY wanted to write...
In a message dated 98-04-03 22:21:16 EST, ARILD writes:
<< Why do so many animals in comics (and films/books) have human
personalities?
I'm writing about humanized (right word?) animals for school, and I am very
interested in your opinions. Also, why are these animals so popular, and are
they as popular now as they were before?
Thanx in advance >>
Anthropomorphized (the technical term) animals who serve as stand-ins for
humans have been used to satirize man's foibles since the days of Aesop's
Fables. Using animals instead of humans can help the author avoid such
treacherous pitfalls as ethnic differences (except when s/he wants to, of
course) and concentrate on the problems and flaws that are common to humanity.
Barks, of course, was a master at using Donald and his relatives to poke fun
at attitudes and mentalities that were all too well known to his readership.
Many modern anthro or "furry" artists and writers seem to take considerable
interest in using animals to tell stories involving relationships and sex.
Part of the reason, I'll wager, lies in the perceived "wholesomeness" of many
of the "funny animal" stars of the 40's and 50's and the resulting
iconoclast's urge to put these characters into situations that their handlers
would never condone. Think of AIR PIRATES FUNNIES for example. Of late,
however, the simple urge to bust stereotypes has given way to a desire to tell
stories of relationships, both physical and non-physical, without necessarily
having to bring human differences into the picture.
As to the popularity of "humanized animals" today: I'd have to say that the
"hardcore" anthro fans operate as something akin to a "cult," whereas the more
traditional "funny animals" like the Ducks and Mice have their share of adult
fans but have grown less popular with youngsters. Today's culture gives kids
so many different options -- and presents humanity, warts and all, in so many
different guises -- that the fable-like qualities of the best of the "funny
animals" genre isn't as much a part of growing up and learning about life as
it used to be. Adults' love of the Ducks and Mice is rooted in nostalgia and
an appreciation of the craftsmanship that went into their production.
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
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Per-Erik Malmström
Musse Pigg Tidningen + extra nephews
Message 34 -
1998-04-05 at 21:54:37
Because of the recent discussions about the fourth nephew, Phooey, I fe=
el
it's necessary to bring up another subject-- Mickey's third and fourth
nephews.
First of all. Is it a well known fact that Mickey has more nephews then
Teddy & Freddy? If it is, please ignore the following sentences.
In "Musse Pigg Tidningen" (The Mickey Mouse Newspaper) 1937-38 there's=
a
very interesting detective(sorry, it should be defective;-) story
with Mickey, Goofy and a turtle called Tobias. I wont give away the
plot (instead I'll put up scans in a day or two) but Mickey's third and
fourth nephews are mentioned a few times. The problem is that Teddy and
Freddy are called "Sm=E5spiggarna" (the smalsticklebacks), and that's t=
he
name that is used for the third and fourth nephews too. Minnie and Mick=
ey
seems to be very close to the smalsticklebacks, almost as if they were
their kids! This story was probably the first Disney story to be made i=
n
Sweden, so it's not impossible that the creators didn't know much about=
the
connection between our beloved friends.=20
Anyway, does anyone know anything about these "unusual" nephews, or the
turtle, Tobias? He seem to be a lot like Goofy, lazy, friendly, a littl=
e
weird, etc.
Best Wishes
Per-Erik
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(Email removed)
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el
it's necessary to bring up another subject-- Mickey's third and fourth
nephews.
First of all. Is it a well known fact that Mickey has more nephews then
Teddy & Freddy? If it is, please ignore the following sentences.
In "Musse Pigg Tidningen" (The Mickey Mouse Newspaper) 1937-38 there's=
a
very interesting detective(sorry, it should be defective;-) story
with Mickey, Goofy and a turtle called Tobias. I wont give away the
plot (instead I'll put up scans in a day or two) but Mickey's third and
fourth nephews are mentioned a few times. The problem is that Teddy and
Freddy are called "Sm=E5spiggarna" (the smalsticklebacks), and that's t=
he
name that is used for the third and fourth nephews too. Minnie and Mick=
ey
seems to be very close to the smalsticklebacks, almost as if they were
their kids! This story was probably the first Disney story to be made i=
n
Sweden, so it's not impossible that the creators didn't know much about=
the
connection between our beloved friends.=20
Anyway, does anyone know anything about these "unusual" nephews, or the
turtle, Tobias? He seem to be a lot like Goofy, lazy, friendly, a littl=
e
weird, etc.
Best Wishes
Per-Erik
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(Email removed)
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Per-Erik Malmström
Sorry...
Message 35 -
1998-04-05 at 22:04:50
Uh, I used the Swedish names for Mickey's nephews, and I think I spelled
them wrong too. Sorry about that! Of course it should be Morty and Ferdie--
I think;-)
Best Wishes
Per-Erik
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(Email removed)
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them wrong too. Sorry about that! Of course it should be Morty and Ferdie--
I think;-)
Best Wishes
Per-Erik
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(Email removed)
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Paolo Castagno
The biggest big Mickey Mouse
Message 36 -
1998-04-05 at 23:58:23
Hello,
ABOUT THE BIGGEST BIG MICKEY MOUSE:
>3. The Biggest Big Mickey Mouse (307p @ $30.00)
> "Mickey and Donald in The Seven Ghosts"
> "MM at the Bar-None Ranch"
> "MM as the Monarch of Medioka"
> "MM in Sheriff of Nugget Gulch"
>Interspersed throughout are three Goofy one-page gags.
Well, I think I can save my 30$!
>Why not try printing a book of NEW Mickey Mouse stories??
>...especially the longer Scarpa ones which have NEVER
>been presented in the USA before!!
That's exactly my idea: there are a lot of Scarpa stories, that now I'm
re-reading in the excellent edition of Comic Art, that deserve to be
shown worldwide. Expecially with Mickey there are many semi-unknown
stories, even not from the 50ties or the 60ties, such as "Mickey emperor
of Calidornia", "Mickey and the riddle of Brigaboom", "Mickey and the
gang of the sneeze", etc...
ARCHONTIS WROTE:
>publication on April 10, of a volume printing Rosa's
>Lo$, PLUS the 3 chapters that had appeared later: "Of Ducks, and
>Dimes, and Destinies", "Hearts of the Yukon" and "The Vigilante of
>Pizzen Bluff"! All these, for a total of 292 pages under a single
>cover! And you haven't heard the BEST part yet: at the amazing price
>of 29FF!!!(~$5).
Well then I hope that on the list will be someone disposed to exchange
with me a copy of this book with some italian Diseny stuff, or with
money, obviously. Didier? Francois?
LUNA STORTA:
While indexing my Topolino collection, I incourred in a story which
title reminds me of something: "Paperino e la luna storta"! ;-)
take a look at http://www.confor.it:2222/disney/
Ciao,
Paolo Castagno alias Luna Storta
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
ABOUT THE BIGGEST BIG MICKEY MOUSE:
>3. The Biggest Big Mickey Mouse (307p @ $30.00)
> "Mickey and Donald in The Seven Ghosts"
> "MM at the Bar-None Ranch"
> "MM as the Monarch of Medioka"
> "MM in Sheriff of Nugget Gulch"
>Interspersed throughout are three Goofy one-page gags.
Well, I think I can save my 30$!
>Why not try printing a book of NEW Mickey Mouse stories??
>...especially the longer Scarpa ones which have NEVER
>been presented in the USA before!!
That's exactly my idea: there are a lot of Scarpa stories, that now I'm
re-reading in the excellent edition of Comic Art, that deserve to be
shown worldwide. Expecially with Mickey there are many semi-unknown
stories, even not from the 50ties or the 60ties, such as "Mickey emperor
of Calidornia", "Mickey and the riddle of Brigaboom", "Mickey and the
gang of the sneeze", etc...
ARCHONTIS WROTE:
>publication on April 10, of a volume printing Rosa's
>Lo$, PLUS the 3 chapters that had appeared later: "Of Ducks, and
>Dimes, and Destinies", "Hearts of the Yukon" and "The Vigilante of
>Pizzen Bluff"! All these, for a total of 292 pages under a single
>cover! And you haven't heard the BEST part yet: at the amazing price
>of 29FF!!!(~$5).
Well then I hope that on the list will be someone disposed to exchange
with me a copy of this book with some italian Diseny stuff, or with
money, obviously. Didier? Francois?
LUNA STORTA:
While indexing my Topolino collection, I incourred in a story which
title reminds me of something: "Paperino e la luna storta"! ;-)
take a look at http://www.confor.it:2222/disney/
Ciao,
Paolo Castagno alias Luna Storta
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Bror Hellman
Musse Pigg Tidningen + extra nephews
Message 37 -
1998-04-06 at 09:50:23
> First of all. Is it a well known fact that Mickey has more
nephews than
> Teddy & Freddy? [Morty and Ferdie]
Well... In several cartoons, there have been numerous mort 'n'
ferdie-like rodents...
I even recall some story from the 70'ies where they (for a short
while) got a sister...
And Minnie is supposed to have at least two different nieces...
Steamboat Willie
nephews than
> Teddy & Freddy? [Morty and Ferdie]
Well... In several cartoons, there have been numerous mort 'n'
ferdie-like rodents...
I even recall some story from the 70'ies where they (for a short
while) got a sister...
And Minnie is supposed to have at least two different nieces...
Steamboat Willie
Cebarat
Disney comics Digest V98 #93
Message 38 -
1998-04-06 at 15:22:57
KATIE SULLIVAN (re UNCLE $CROOGE #309):
<SPOILERS>
<<...I remember when WHADALOTTAJARGON arrived in Europe, there was some
discussion about the
identity of the man walking out of the comic book store. What was the
verdict? Is it
supposed to be Rosa, or who?>>
If it isn't Rosa, then it's probably ME. If I were transformed into a
Duckburgian dogface, I'd look almost exactly like that... though I would
probably forego the dotted tie...
<<And I realized the significance of the name Taliaferro, but what about
Osborne?>>
Ted Osborne was one of the writers on the MICKEY MOUSE comic strip during the
1930's.
It may once again be coincidence, but I have another sighting of a parallel
between an occurrence in a Rosa story and an episode of DUCKTALES... in "Ducky
Mountain High" (note to Katie: remember, this one featured Goldie), Launchpad
saved a trapped Scrooge from a log-carrying conveyor belt by swinging across
to him on a length of chain. Donald actually performed the feat more adeptly
than Launchpad.
There's also this whole business of Donald "encouraging" the Nephews to join
the Woodchucks so as to keep them out of his hair. In "Treasure of the Golden
Suns," Scrooge was being driven to distraction by the hellionish Nephews and
eagerly greeted a JW recruiter's claim that the 'Chucks "[keep] boys so busy
collecting merit badges that they can't get into trouble!".
<<The other offerings in U$ 309 were enjoyable, but not of the magnitude of a
new Rosa work.>>
The "Farawaystan" story was the one that got the most laughs out of me, if
only because the Beagles' disguise was so ludicrously transparent. Just as
acquaintances of superheroes suffer from "superhero myopia" when it comes to
secret identities, so too do the Ducks frequently slip a mental cog when the
BB's slip
on a disguise.
KATIE SULLVIAN again (reWDC&S 624...)
<MORE SPOILERS>
<<"Their Loaded Forebear" was interesting, with a funny ending. I thought the
art was more
connected and polished than some of Van Horn's other work, but that's just my
opinion.>>
I had a distinct flashback to one or two scenes from Marco Rota's "Money
Ocean" when I saw the panel displaying the "Caveduck"'s pine cone collection.
Can you imagine the "Caveduck" being Bubba Duck's father? ;-)
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
<SPOILERS>
<<...I remember when WHADALOTTAJARGON arrived in Europe, there was some
discussion about the
identity of the man walking out of the comic book store. What was the
verdict? Is it
supposed to be Rosa, or who?>>
If it isn't Rosa, then it's probably ME. If I were transformed into a
Duckburgian dogface, I'd look almost exactly like that... though I would
probably forego the dotted tie...
<<And I realized the significance of the name Taliaferro, but what about
Osborne?>>
Ted Osborne was one of the writers on the MICKEY MOUSE comic strip during the
1930's.
It may once again be coincidence, but I have another sighting of a parallel
between an occurrence in a Rosa story and an episode of DUCKTALES... in "Ducky
Mountain High" (note to Katie: remember, this one featured Goldie), Launchpad
saved a trapped Scrooge from a log-carrying conveyor belt by swinging across
to him on a length of chain. Donald actually performed the feat more adeptly
than Launchpad.
There's also this whole business of Donald "encouraging" the Nephews to join
the Woodchucks so as to keep them out of his hair. In "Treasure of the Golden
Suns," Scrooge was being driven to distraction by the hellionish Nephews and
eagerly greeted a JW recruiter's claim that the 'Chucks "[keep] boys so busy
collecting merit badges that they can't get into trouble!".
<<The other offerings in U$ 309 were enjoyable, but not of the magnitude of a
new Rosa work.>>
The "Farawaystan" story was the one that got the most laughs out of me, if
only because the Beagles' disguise was so ludicrously transparent. Just as
acquaintances of superheroes suffer from "superhero myopia" when it comes to
secret identities, so too do the Ducks frequently slip a mental cog when the
BB's slip
on a disguise.
KATIE SULLVIAN again (reWDC&S 624...)
<MORE SPOILERS>
<<"Their Loaded Forebear" was interesting, with a funny ending. I thought the
art was more
connected and polished than some of Van Horn's other work, but that's just my
opinion.>>
I had a distinct flashback to one or two scenes from Marco Rota's "Money
Ocean" when I saw the panel displaying the "Caveduck"'s pine cone collection.
Can you imagine the "Caveduck" being Bubba Duck's father? ;-)
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
Rich Bellacera
Matilda & Hortense
Message 39 -
1998-04-07 at 10:12:59
I hope someone knows the answer to this question. I was reading some
older Disney comics and was taking mental notes about the different
stories which feature references to The Duck Family Tree, especially
ones which feature an actual diagrams. Anyhow, I couldn't find any
which mentioned Matilda and Hortense, Scrooge's sisters, except for
Don Rosa's famous tree from WDC (#600?). Anyhow, According to
Don's own notes Matilda and Hortense are both from Carl Barks' tree
and thus predate Don's use. Can anyone tell me where I can find those
Barksian tales which mention these girls before Don's use in Lo$?
I'm also starting to list all the occurances of actual Duck Family Trees
in the comics... if anyone knows of a pre-existing list it would probably
save me a great deal of time... otherwise any occurances of which you
know would be very helpful.
Thanks.
-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
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older Disney comics and was taking mental notes about the different
stories which feature references to The Duck Family Tree, especially
ones which feature an actual diagrams. Anyhow, I couldn't find any
which mentioned Matilda and Hortense, Scrooge's sisters, except for
Don Rosa's famous tree from WDC (#600?). Anyhow, According to
Don's own notes Matilda and Hortense are both from Carl Barks' tree
and thus predate Don's use. Can anyone tell me where I can find those
Barksian tales which mention these girls before Don's use in Lo$?
I'm also starting to list all the occurances of actual Duck Family Trees
in the comics... if anyone knows of a pre-existing list it would probably
save me a great deal of time... otherwise any occurances of which you
know would be very helpful.
Thanks.
-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
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Poul S. Frøkjær
Covers for DD 106 and WDC 301
Message 40 -
1998-04-07 at 11:14:18
GERMUND:
(about who might have helped Barks on these covers)
>>W WDC 301-00 1 c 65-03-15 CB DD T:Entangled fishing
| us : BL10-646
| nl : KV.16
| se : 67-16
| dk : AA67-17<<
>>W DD 106-00 1 c 65-07-22 CB DD O:Ambush At Thunder
Mountain
| us : BL 2-641
| nl : KV.16
| se : 67-27
| dk : AA67-26<<
I have the same idea as you about these covers. My guess is that
Tony Strobl has had a hand in them both.
The other way round I have a feeling about a cover I think Barks has had
something to do with. I dont know where it has appeared in USA but in
Denmark it is the cover of AA68-14. It has Donald and the kids waiting at
an ice-cream bar with Goofy being the unsuccessful assistant trying to
serve the ice-cream, but spills it all over the place.
I admit that I have never read or even heard that Barks should have any
part in this cover but there is something in the ducks faces I think looks like
his touch. Yes/no/maybe???
Poul Frokjar, Denmark
(about who might have helped Barks on these covers)
>>W WDC 301-00 1 c 65-03-15 CB DD T:Entangled fishing
| us : BL10-646
| nl : KV.16
| se : 67-16
| dk : AA67-17<<
>>W DD 106-00 1 c 65-07-22 CB DD O:Ambush At Thunder
Mountain
| us : BL 2-641
| nl : KV.16
| se : 67-27
| dk : AA67-26<<
I have the same idea as you about these covers. My guess is that
Tony Strobl has had a hand in them both.
The other way round I have a feeling about a cover I think Barks has had
something to do with. I dont know where it has appeared in USA but in
Denmark it is the cover of AA68-14. It has Donald and the kids waiting at
an ice-cream bar with Goofy being the unsuccessful assistant trying to
serve the ice-cream, but spills it all over the place.
I admit that I have never read or even heard that Barks should have any
part in this cover but there is something in the ducks faces I think looks like
his touch. Yes/no/maybe???
Poul Frokjar, Denmark
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
Scarpa stories and modern censorship
Message 41 -
1998-04-07 at 17:40:26
PAOLO:
>That's exactly my idea: there are a lot of Scarpa stories, that now I'm
>re-reading in the excellent edition of Comic Art, that deserve to be
>shown worldwide. Expecially with Mickey there are many semi-unknown
>stories, even not from the 50ties or the 60ties, such as "Mickey emperor
>of Calidornia", "Mickey and the riddle of Brigaboom", "Mickey and the
>gang of the sneeze", etc...
I think that most people would agree that Scarpa's MM stories should be
exposed to a wider reading public. As I mentioned here before, the answer
hinges on whether the added costs of translating, lettering, etc. are
covered by the extra revenues. Gladstone, for example, may not feel that the
American audience would differentiate in favor of Scarpa to a degree that
would make such publications worthwhile.
Stories like "The Delta Dimension", "The Chirikawa Necklace", "The Emperor
of Calidornia", (which, BTW, DOES come from 1961), "The Mongol Springs",
"The Eternal Flame of Kalhoa", and "The Man from Altacraz" to name just a
handfull, are examples of classic MM stories deserved to be enjoyed by all
Disney fans out there.
I have an observation about the otherwise enjoyable Scarpa story "The Mongol
Springs": in the recent French edition of that story in "Mickey Parade"
#219, about one-and-a-half page is cut where it had originally showed
Atomino Bip-Bip using nuclear power to fly a dilapidated plane. Is nuclear
power such a tabboo in modern day Disney comics to warrant this censorship?
Cheers,
Archontis
>That's exactly my idea: there are a lot of Scarpa stories, that now I'm
>re-reading in the excellent edition of Comic Art, that deserve to be
>shown worldwide. Expecially with Mickey there are many semi-unknown
>stories, even not from the 50ties or the 60ties, such as "Mickey emperor
>of Calidornia", "Mickey and the riddle of Brigaboom", "Mickey and the
>gang of the sneeze", etc...
I think that most people would agree that Scarpa's MM stories should be
exposed to a wider reading public. As I mentioned here before, the answer
hinges on whether the added costs of translating, lettering, etc. are
covered by the extra revenues. Gladstone, for example, may not feel that the
American audience would differentiate in favor of Scarpa to a degree that
would make such publications worthwhile.
Stories like "The Delta Dimension", "The Chirikawa Necklace", "The Emperor
of Calidornia", (which, BTW, DOES come from 1961), "The Mongol Springs",
"The Eternal Flame of Kalhoa", and "The Man from Altacraz" to name just a
handfull, are examples of classic MM stories deserved to be enjoyed by all
Disney fans out there.
I have an observation about the otherwise enjoyable Scarpa story "The Mongol
Springs": in the recent French edition of that story in "Mickey Parade"
#219, about one-and-a-half page is cut where it had originally showed
Atomino Bip-Bip using nuclear power to fly a dilapidated plane. Is nuclear
power such a tabboo in modern day Disney comics to warrant this censorship?
Cheers,
Archontis
Francois Willot
Scarpa
Message 42 -
1998-04-07 at 18:25:29
Archontis:
>I have an observation about the otherwise enjoyable Scarpa story "The
>Mongol Springs": in the recent French edition of that story in "Mickey
>Parade" #219, about one-and-a-half page is cut where it had originally
>showed Atomino Bip-Bip using nuclear power to fly a dilapidated plane.
>Is nuclear power such a tabboo in modern day Disney comics to warrant
>this censorship?
This story was published in MP#5, with the same cuts. Most of the time,
the cuts in "Mickey Parade" were made by Mondadori for the "Classici"
(Hachette used to reprint the Classici versions of the stories).
So the question is: why the Italians made these cuts?
By the way, nuclear power is not (always) a taboo. I just read "Paperino
e i 50 megaton", from 1962 (I AT 67-B) and it's a very good story
(which ends in a nuclear explosion!).
Francois
>I have an observation about the otherwise enjoyable Scarpa story "The
>Mongol Springs": in the recent French edition of that story in "Mickey
>Parade" #219, about one-and-a-half page is cut where it had originally
>showed Atomino Bip-Bip using nuclear power to fly a dilapidated plane.
>Is nuclear power such a tabboo in modern day Disney comics to warrant
>this censorship?
This story was published in MP#5, with the same cuts. Most of the time,
the cuts in "Mickey Parade" were made by Mondadori for the "Classici"
(Hachette used to reprint the Classici versions of the stories).
So the question is: why the Italians made these cuts?
By the way, nuclear power is not (always) a taboo. I just read "Paperino
e i 50 megaton", from 1962 (I AT 67-B) and it's a very good story
(which ends in a nuclear explosion!).
Francois
Shaun Knowler
Disney comics Digest V98 #94
Message 43 -
1998-04-07 at 18:38:33
Katie & Chris Barat:
<If you think a discussion about one character walking out of a store in
one panel of WHADALOTTAJARGON spoils the story, then read no further!> :)
I was under the impression that the guy walking out of the comic store was
none other than Byron Erickson. I seem to recall Don discussing this
story with us when it was first published in Europe.
-Shaun
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
<If you think a discussion about one character walking out of a store in
one panel of WHADALOTTAJARGON spoils the story, then read no further!> :)
I was under the impression that the guy walking out of the comic store was
none other than Byron Erickson. I seem to recall Don discussing this
story with us when it was first published in Europe.
-Shaun
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
Matthew Thompson
Disney comics Digest V98 #94
Message 44 -
1998-04-07 at 18:57:47
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>Contents:
> Per-Erik Malmstrom Musse Pigg Tidningen + extra nephews
> Per-Erik Malmstrom Sorry...
> Paolo Castagno The biggest big Mickey Mouse
> Bror Hellman SV: Musse Pigg Tidningen + extra nephews
> Cebarat Re: Disney comics Digest V98 #93
> Rich Bellacera Matilda & Hortense
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:54:37 +0200
>From: "Per-Erik Malmström"
<(Email removed)>
>To: "dcomics-mailinglist" <(Email removed)>
>Subject: Musse Pigg Tidningen + extra nephews
>
>Because of the recent discussions about the fourth nephew, Phooey, I fe=
>el
>it's necessary to bring up another subject-- Mickey's third and fourth
>nephews.
>
>First of all. Is it a well known fact that Mickey has more nephews then
>Teddy & Freddy? If it is, please ignore the following sentences.
> In "Musse Pigg Tidningen" (The Mickey Mouse Newspaper) 1937-38 there's=
> a
>very interesting detective(sorry, it should be defective;-) story
>with Mickey, Goofy and a turtle called Tobias. I wont give away the
>plot (instead I'll put up scans in a day or two) but Mickey's third and
>fourth nephews are mentioned a few times. The problem is that Teddy and
>Freddy are called "Sm=E5spiggarna" (the smalsticklebacks), and that's t=
>he
>name that is used for the third and fourth nephews too. Minnie and Mick=
>ey
>seems to be very close to the smalsticklebacks, almost as if they were
>their kids! This story was probably the first Disney story to be made i=
>n
>Sweden, so it's not impossible that the creators didn't know much about=
> the
>connection between our beloved friends.=20
>Anyway, does anyone know anything about these "unusual" nephews, or the
>turtle, Tobias? He seem to be a lot like Goofy, lazy, friendly, a littl=
>e
>weird, etc.
>
>Best Wishes
>Per-Erik
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>(Email removed)
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:04:50 +0200
>From: "Per-Erik Malmström"
<(Email removed)>
>To: "dcomics-mailinglist" <(Email removed)>
>Subject: Sorry...
>
>Uh, I used the Swedish names for Mickey's nephews, and I think I spelled
>them wrong too. Sorry about that! Of course it should be Morty and Ferdie--
>I think;-)
>
>Best Wishes
>Per-Erik
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>(Email removed)
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 13:58:23 PDT
>From: "Paolo Castagno" <(Email removed)>
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: The biggest big Mickey Mouse
>
>Hello,
>
>ABOUT THE BIGGEST BIG MICKEY MOUSE:
>>3. The Biggest Big Mickey Mouse (307p @ $30.00)
>> "Mickey and Donald in The Seven Ghosts"
>> "MM at the Bar-None Ranch"
>> "MM as the Monarch of Medioka"
>> "MM in Sheriff of Nugget Gulch"
>>Interspersed throughout are three Goofy one-page gags.
>
>Well, I think I can save my 30$!
>
>>Why not try printing a book of NEW Mickey Mouse stories??
>>...especially the longer Scarpa ones which have NEVER
>>been presented in the USA before!!
>
>That's exactly my idea: there are a lot of Scarpa stories, that now I'm
>re-reading in the excellent edition of Comic Art, that deserve to be
>shown worldwide. Expecially with Mickey there are many semi-unknown
>stories, even not from the 50ties or the 60ties, such as "Mickey emperor
>of Calidornia", "Mickey and the riddle of Brigaboom", "Mickey and the
>gang of the sneeze", etc...
>
>ARCHONTIS WROTE:
>>publication on April 10, of a volume printing Rosa's
>>Lo$, PLUS the 3 chapters that had appeared later: "Of Ducks, and
>>Dimes, and Destinies", "Hearts of the Yukon" and "The Vigilante of
>>Pizzen Bluff"! All these, for a total of 292 pages under a single
>>cover! And you haven't heard the BEST part yet: at the amazing price
>>of 29FF!!!(~$5).
>
>Well then I hope that on the list will be someone disposed to exchange
>with me a copy of this book with some italian Diseny stuff, or with
>money, obviously. Didier? Francois?
>
>LUNA STORTA:
>While indexing my Topolino collection, I incourred in a story which
>title reminds me of something: "Paperino e la luna storta"! ;-)
>take a look at http://www.confor.it:2222/disney/
>
>Ciao,
>
> Paolo Castagno alias Luna Storta
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:50:23 +0200
>From: Bror Hellman <(Email removed)>
>To: 'dcomics-mailinglist' <(Email removed)>
>Subject: SV: Musse Pigg Tidningen + extra nephews
>
> > First of all. Is it a well known fact that Mickey has more
>nephews than
> > Teddy & Freddy? [Morty and Ferdie]
>
>
>
> Well... In several cartoons, there have been numerous mort 'n'
>ferdie-like rodents...
> I even recall some story from the 70'ies where they (for a short
>while) got a sister...
> And Minnie is supposed to have at least two different nieces...
>
>
>
> Steamboat Willie
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:22:57 EDT
>From: Cebarat <(Email removed)>
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V98 #93
>
>KATIE SULLIVAN (re UNCLE $CROOGE #309):
>
><SPOILERS>
>
>
><<...I remember when WHADALOTTAJARGON arrived in Europe, there was some
>discussion about the
> identity of the man walking out of the comic book store. What was the
>verdict? Is it
> supposed to be Rosa, or who?>>
>
>If it isn't Rosa, then it's probably ME. If I were transformed into a
>Duckburgian dogface, I'd look almost exactly like that... though I would
>probably forego the dotted tie...
>
><<And I realized the significance of the name Taliaferro, but what about
>Osborne?>>
>
>Ted Osborne was one of the writers on the MICKEY MOUSE comic strip during the
>1930's.
>
>It may once again be coincidence, but I have another sighting of a parallel
>between an occurrence in a Rosa story and an episode of DUCKTALES... in
"Ducky
>Mountain High" (note to Katie: remember, this one featured Goldie), Launchpad
>saved a trapped Scrooge from a log-carrying conveyor belt by swinging across
>to him on a length of chain. Donald actually performed the feat more adeptly
>than Launchpad.
>
>There's also this whole business of Donald "encouraging" the Nephews to join
>the Woodchucks so as to keep them out of his hair. In "Treasure of the
Golden
>Suns," Scrooge was being driven to distraction by the hellionish Nephews and
>eagerly greeted a JW recruiter's claim that the 'Chucks "[keep] boys so busy
>collecting merit badges that they can't get into trouble!".
>
><<The other offerings in U$ 309 were enjoyable, but not of the magnitude of a
>new Rosa work.>>
>
>The "Farawaystan" story was the one that got the most laughs out of me, if
>only because the Beagles' disguise was so ludicrously transparent. Just as
>acquaintances of superheroes suffer from "superhero myopia" when it comes to
>secret identities, so too do the Ducks frequently slip a mental cog when the
>BB's slip
>on a disguise.
>
>KATIE SULLVIAN again (reWDC&S 624...)
>
><MORE SPOILERS>
>
>
><<"Their Loaded Forebear" was interesting, with a funny ending. I thought
the
>art was more
> connected and polished than some of Van Horn's other work, but that's
just my
>opinion.>>
>
>I had a distinct flashback to one or two scenes from Marco Rota's "Money
>Ocean" when I saw the panel displaying the "Caveduck"'s pine cone collection.
>
>Can you imagine the "Caveduck" being Bubba Duck's father? ;-)
>
>
>-- Christopher E. Barat
>(Email removed)
>http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:12:59 -0800
>From: Rich Bellacera <(Email removed)>
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: Matilda & Hortense
>
>I hope someone knows the answer to this question. I was reading some
>older Disney comics and was taking mental notes about the different
>stories which feature references to The Duck Family Tree, especially
>ones which feature an actual diagrams. Anyhow, I couldn't find any
>which mentioned Matilda and Hortense, Scrooge's sisters, except for
>Don Rosa's famous tree from WDC (#600?). Anyhow, According to
>Don's own notes Matilda and Hortense are both from Carl Barks' tree
>and thus predate Don's use. Can anyone tell me where I can find those
>Barksian tales which mention these girls before Don's use in Lo$?
>
>I'm also starting to list all the occurances of actual Duck Family Trees
>in the comics... if anyone knows of a pre-existing list it would probably
>save me a great deal of time... otherwise any occurances of which you
>know would be very helpful.
>
>Thanks.
>
>-Rich (xephyr)
>http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
>
>--------------------------------
>End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #94
>*****************************************
>
>
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>Contents:
> Per-Erik Malmstrom Musse Pigg Tidningen + extra nephews
> Per-Erik Malmstrom Sorry...
> Paolo Castagno The biggest big Mickey Mouse
> Bror Hellman SV: Musse Pigg Tidningen + extra nephews
> Cebarat Re: Disney comics Digest V98 #93
> Rich Bellacera Matilda & Hortense
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:54:37 +0200
>From: "Per-Erik Malmström"
<(Email removed)>
>To: "dcomics-mailinglist" <(Email removed)>
>Subject: Musse Pigg Tidningen + extra nephews
>
>Because of the recent discussions about the fourth nephew, Phooey, I fe=
>el
>it's necessary to bring up another subject-- Mickey's third and fourth
>nephews.
>
>First of all. Is it a well known fact that Mickey has more nephews then
>Teddy & Freddy? If it is, please ignore the following sentences.
> In "Musse Pigg Tidningen" (The Mickey Mouse Newspaper) 1937-38 there's=
> a
>very interesting detective(sorry, it should be defective;-) story
>with Mickey, Goofy and a turtle called Tobias. I wont give away the
>plot (instead I'll put up scans in a day or two) but Mickey's third and
>fourth nephews are mentioned a few times. The problem is that Teddy and
>Freddy are called "Sm=E5spiggarna" (the smalsticklebacks), and that's t=
>he
>name that is used for the third and fourth nephews too. Minnie and Mick=
>ey
>seems to be very close to the smalsticklebacks, almost as if they were
>their kids! This story was probably the first Disney story to be made i=
>n
>Sweden, so it's not impossible that the creators didn't know much about=
> the
>connection between our beloved friends.=20
>Anyway, does anyone know anything about these "unusual" nephews, or the
>turtle, Tobias? He seem to be a lot like Goofy, lazy, friendly, a littl=
>e
>weird, etc.
>
>Best Wishes
>Per-Erik
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>(Email removed)
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:04:50 +0200
>From: "Per-Erik Malmström"
<(Email removed)>
>To: "dcomics-mailinglist" <(Email removed)>
>Subject: Sorry...
>
>Uh, I used the Swedish names for Mickey's nephews, and I think I spelled
>them wrong too. Sorry about that! Of course it should be Morty and Ferdie--
>I think;-)
>
>Best Wishes
>Per-Erik
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>(Email removed)
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 13:58:23 PDT
>From: "Paolo Castagno" <(Email removed)>
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: The biggest big Mickey Mouse
>
>Hello,
>
>ABOUT THE BIGGEST BIG MICKEY MOUSE:
>>3. The Biggest Big Mickey Mouse (307p @ $30.00)
>> "Mickey and Donald in The Seven Ghosts"
>> "MM at the Bar-None Ranch"
>> "MM as the Monarch of Medioka"
>> "MM in Sheriff of Nugget Gulch"
>>Interspersed throughout are three Goofy one-page gags.
>
>Well, I think I can save my 30$!
>
>>Why not try printing a book of NEW Mickey Mouse stories??
>>...especially the longer Scarpa ones which have NEVER
>>been presented in the USA before!!
>
>That's exactly my idea: there are a lot of Scarpa stories, that now I'm
>re-reading in the excellent edition of Comic Art, that deserve to be
>shown worldwide. Expecially with Mickey there are many semi-unknown
>stories, even not from the 50ties or the 60ties, such as "Mickey emperor
>of Calidornia", "Mickey and the riddle of Brigaboom", "Mickey and the
>gang of the sneeze", etc...
>
>ARCHONTIS WROTE:
>>publication on April 10, of a volume printing Rosa's
>>Lo$, PLUS the 3 chapters that had appeared later: "Of Ducks, and
>>Dimes, and Destinies", "Hearts of the Yukon" and "The Vigilante of
>>Pizzen Bluff"! All these, for a total of 292 pages under a single
>>cover! And you haven't heard the BEST part yet: at the amazing price
>>of 29FF!!!(~$5).
>
>Well then I hope that on the list will be someone disposed to exchange
>with me a copy of this book with some italian Diseny stuff, or with
>money, obviously. Didier? Francois?
>
>LUNA STORTA:
>While indexing my Topolino collection, I incourred in a story which
>title reminds me of something: "Paperino e la luna storta"! ;-)
>take a look at http://www.confor.it:2222/disney/
>
>Ciao,
>
> Paolo Castagno alias Luna Storta
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:50:23 +0200
>From: Bror Hellman <(Email removed)>
>To: 'dcomics-mailinglist' <(Email removed)>
>Subject: SV: Musse Pigg Tidningen + extra nephews
>
> > First of all. Is it a well known fact that Mickey has more
>nephews than
> > Teddy & Freddy? [Morty and Ferdie]
>
>
>
> Well... In several cartoons, there have been numerous mort 'n'
>ferdie-like rodents...
> I even recall some story from the 70'ies where they (for a short
>while) got a sister...
> And Minnie is supposed to have at least two different nieces...
>
>
>
> Steamboat Willie
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:22:57 EDT
>From: Cebarat <(Email removed)>
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V98 #93
>
>KATIE SULLIVAN (re UNCLE $CROOGE #309):
>
><SPOILERS>
>
>
><<...I remember when WHADALOTTAJARGON arrived in Europe, there was some
>discussion about the
> identity of the man walking out of the comic book store. What was the
>verdict? Is it
> supposed to be Rosa, or who?>>
>
>If it isn't Rosa, then it's probably ME. If I were transformed into a
>Duckburgian dogface, I'd look almost exactly like that... though I would
>probably forego the dotted tie...
>
><<And I realized the significance of the name Taliaferro, but what about
>Osborne?>>
>
>Ted Osborne was one of the writers on the MICKEY MOUSE comic strip during the
>1930's.
>
>It may once again be coincidence, but I have another sighting of a parallel
>between an occurrence in a Rosa story and an episode of DUCKTALES... in
"Ducky
>Mountain High" (note to Katie: remember, this one featured Goldie), Launchpad
>saved a trapped Scrooge from a log-carrying conveyor belt by swinging across
>to him on a length of chain. Donald actually performed the feat more adeptly
>than Launchpad.
>
>There's also this whole business of Donald "encouraging" the Nephews to join
>the Woodchucks so as to keep them out of his hair. In "Treasure of the
Golden
>Suns," Scrooge was being driven to distraction by the hellionish Nephews and
>eagerly greeted a JW recruiter's claim that the 'Chucks "[keep] boys so busy
>collecting merit badges that they can't get into trouble!".
>
><<The other offerings in U$ 309 were enjoyable, but not of the magnitude of a
>new Rosa work.>>
>
>The "Farawaystan" story was the one that got the most laughs out of me, if
>only because the Beagles' disguise was so ludicrously transparent. Just as
>acquaintances of superheroes suffer from "superhero myopia" when it comes to
>secret identities, so too do the Ducks frequently slip a mental cog when the
>BB's slip
>on a disguise.
>
>KATIE SULLVIAN again (reWDC&S 624...)
>
><MORE SPOILERS>
>
>
><<"Their Loaded Forebear" was interesting, with a funny ending. I thought
the
>art was more
> connected and polished than some of Van Horn's other work, but that's
just my
>opinion.>>
>
>I had a distinct flashback to one or two scenes from Marco Rota's "Money
>Ocean" when I saw the panel displaying the "Caveduck"'s pine cone collection.
>
>Can you imagine the "Caveduck" being Bubba Duck's father? ;-)
>
>
>-- Christopher E. Barat
>(Email removed)
>http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:12:59 -0800
>From: Rich Bellacera <(Email removed)>
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: Matilda & Hortense
>
>I hope someone knows the answer to this question. I was reading some
>older Disney comics and was taking mental notes about the different
>stories which feature references to The Duck Family Tree, especially
>ones which feature an actual diagrams. Anyhow, I couldn't find any
>which mentioned Matilda and Hortense, Scrooge's sisters, except for
>Don Rosa's famous tree from WDC (#600?). Anyhow, According to
>Don's own notes Matilda and Hortense are both from Carl Barks' tree
>and thus predate Don's use. Can anyone tell me where I can find those
>Barksian tales which mention these girls before Don's use in Lo$?
>
>I'm also starting to list all the occurances of actual Duck Family Trees
>in the comics... if anyone knows of a pre-existing list it would probably
>save me a great deal of time... otherwise any occurances of which you
>know would be very helpful.
>
>Thanks.
>
>-Rich (xephyr)
>http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
>
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>End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #94
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>
>
Rich Bellacera
Disney comics Digest V98 #94
Message 45 -
1998-04-07 at 18:58:57
PER-ERIK:
>Teddy & Freddy?
{...}
>In "Musse Pigg Tidningen" (The Mickey Mouse Newspaper)
>1937-38 there's a very interesting detective (sorry, it should be
>defective;-) story with Mickey, Goofy and a turtle called Tobias.
{...}
>Anyway, does anyone know anything about these "unusual"
>nephews, or the turtle, Tobias? He seem to be a lot like Goofy,
>lazy, friendly, a little weird, etc.
I won't rehash that since you already noted that Teddy & Freddy
are indeed Morty & Ferdie's Swedish names.
However, the Tortoise is none other than "Toby Tortoise" from
the Silly Symphony "The Tortoise and the Hare", and the sequel,
"Toby Tortoise Returns." Apparently the newpapers of that time
were riding on the popularity of those cartoons and decided to
use Toby more. I've never had the good fortune of seeing those
detective stories featuring Goofy & Toby, however.
Perhaps Harry can tell us more about them since he mentions
them on his site as a British Disney series:
http://home.pi.net/~fluks4/uk.htm
BROR HELLMAN:
> First of all. Is it a well known fact that Mickey has more
>nephews than Teddy & Freddy? [Morty and Ferdie]
>
>Well... In several cartoons, there have been numerous mort 'n'
>ferdie-like rodents...
Yes, and I've compiled a list of Mickey Nephews (and a niece)
from these cartoons (especially "Mickey's Steamroller", "Gulliver
Mickey" and "Pluto's Party") to include:
Morty & Ferdie Fieldmouse "The Twins," Monty, Marmaduke,
Morrie, Timmy, Billy, Freddy, Huey, Georgie, Dewey, Louie,
Ronnie, Donnie (nephews); Maisie (niece).
[notice the inclusion of HD&L's names???].
>I even recall some story from the 70'ies where they (for a short
>while) got a sister...
I'm not sure, but I think you are referring to Minnie's niece, Melody
who appeared in several "Morty & Ferdie" stories (though never
in the USA to the best of my knowledge, at least not in the Italian
Disney stories I've seen).
>And Minnie is supposed to have at least two different nieces...
Yes, aside from the one above (Melody) she has a set of twin
nieces who have gone by the names "Millicent and Melody" and
"Pammy & Tammy" in stories which I have encountered. I
went on a scavenger hunt for these mysterious girls. I've also
found that, at least in Italy, Minnie has another niece by the name
of Zizi, though she may be Melody also. This past summer I
was at an antiques faire and I picked up a book (which I regret
not having actually purchased) from the late 1920s or maybe the
very early 1930s (I forget), but it had a story called something
like "Mickey's Picnic" in which Mickey and Minnie take Minnie's
triplet nieces, Molly, Polly & Dolly on a picnic. Also on Per
Starbeck's website there is a reference to Minnie's niece being
named "Molly" in America, but I haven't found a comic with
her in it (yet! But I still have a bunch of old MM comics to buy).
Then, of course, there is the small mousegirl who appears in
the cartoon "Mickey's Christmas Carol." Many authors whom
I have read attribute the two "Cratchit" boys to roles performed
by none other than Morty & Ferdie (Mortie specifically being
"Tiny Tim" though how one would know is beyond me), and
I figure that the Cratchit girl must be "Melody."
-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
>Teddy & Freddy?
{...}
>In "Musse Pigg Tidningen" (The Mickey Mouse Newspaper)
>1937-38 there's a very interesting detective (sorry, it should be
>defective;-) story with Mickey, Goofy and a turtle called Tobias.
{...}
>Anyway, does anyone know anything about these "unusual"
>nephews, or the turtle, Tobias? He seem to be a lot like Goofy,
>lazy, friendly, a little weird, etc.
I won't rehash that since you already noted that Teddy & Freddy
are indeed Morty & Ferdie's Swedish names.
However, the Tortoise is none other than "Toby Tortoise" from
the Silly Symphony "The Tortoise and the Hare", and the sequel,
"Toby Tortoise Returns." Apparently the newpapers of that time
were riding on the popularity of those cartoons and decided to
use Toby more. I've never had the good fortune of seeing those
detective stories featuring Goofy & Toby, however.
Perhaps Harry can tell us more about them since he mentions
them on his site as a British Disney series:
http://home.pi.net/~fluks4/uk.htm
BROR HELLMAN:
> First of all. Is it a well known fact that Mickey has more
>nephews than Teddy & Freddy? [Morty and Ferdie]
>
>Well... In several cartoons, there have been numerous mort 'n'
>ferdie-like rodents...
Yes, and I've compiled a list of Mickey Nephews (and a niece)
from these cartoons (especially "Mickey's Steamroller", "Gulliver
Mickey" and "Pluto's Party") to include:
Morty & Ferdie Fieldmouse "The Twins," Monty, Marmaduke,
Morrie, Timmy, Billy, Freddy, Huey, Georgie, Dewey, Louie,
Ronnie, Donnie (nephews); Maisie (niece).
[notice the inclusion of HD&L's names???].
>I even recall some story from the 70'ies where they (for a short
>while) got a sister...
I'm not sure, but I think you are referring to Minnie's niece, Melody
who appeared in several "Morty & Ferdie" stories (though never
in the USA to the best of my knowledge, at least not in the Italian
Disney stories I've seen).
>And Minnie is supposed to have at least two different nieces...
Yes, aside from the one above (Melody) she has a set of twin
nieces who have gone by the names "Millicent and Melody" and
"Pammy & Tammy" in stories which I have encountered. I
went on a scavenger hunt for these mysterious girls. I've also
found that, at least in Italy, Minnie has another niece by the name
of Zizi, though she may be Melody also. This past summer I
was at an antiques faire and I picked up a book (which I regret
not having actually purchased) from the late 1920s or maybe the
very early 1930s (I forget), but it had a story called something
like "Mickey's Picnic" in which Mickey and Minnie take Minnie's
triplet nieces, Molly, Polly & Dolly on a picnic. Also on Per
Starbeck's website there is a reference to Minnie's niece being
named "Molly" in America, but I haven't found a comic with
her in it (yet! But I still have a bunch of old MM comics to buy).
Then, of course, there is the small mousegirl who appears in
the cartoon "Mickey's Christmas Carol." Many authors whom
I have read attribute the two "Cratchit" boys to roles performed
by none other than Morty & Ferdie (Mortie specifically being
"Tiny Tim" though how one would know is beyond me), and
I figure that the Cratchit girl must be "Melody."
-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html