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GREETINGS -- David Gerstein here! I'm on vacation here in Santa
Barbara, and will be back at my usual address (and in Denmark again) next
week.

PER-ERIK:
Toby Tortoise comes from the Silly Symphonies of the mid-1930s; he
and Max Hare appeared in THE TORTOISE AND THE HARE and TOBY TORTOISE
RETURNS. It was Al Taliaferro and Ted Osborne who made Toby a detective in
the Silly Symphony Sunday strip; it was the British who came up with the
notion of pairing Goofy and Toby as detectives in Mickey's own universe.
I think the Swedish weekly of the 1930s reprinted some British
material too (?). *Maybe* the story you're currently discussing is actually
not Swedish, but British too? The Italians reprinted the British Goofy and
Toby material in Italy at the time.
The detective duo Goofy/Toby lasted as late as Britain's 1946
MICKEY MOUSE ANNUAL, I've discovered!

DANNY:
FANTASIA 2000's "Pomp and Circumstance" sequence (it's *not*
Carnival of the Animals) features Donald as Noah in charge of the Ark. The
animals are real animals (and not at all easy for Donald to handle), not
humanized Disney characters. The sequence has long been complete and is
reportedly great!

David Gerstein

Hello,

>UNCA CARL'S BIRTHDAY
>So, how'd it go? I've been waiting patiently for
>a report . . .

Yeah, me too! Micheal, are you still on the list? We are all waiting for
your news!

WDPOSTER(?) wrote:
>I think , though not sure, that the guy coming
>out of the Comic store may have been Ted Osborn.
>Has anyone asked Don yet?

As long as I remember Don himself told us that that guy is Byron
Erickson.

>Second question: what is the web ring I've seen
>mentioned on the list? Can someone send me some
>details on it? Can we link our web pages to it
>or something?

Yes, there is a "Disney Comics Webring" that, in
my hopes, should tie together as many pages as
possible, in order to join the ring, just follow
that link:
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney

Ciao,

- Paolo Castagno alias Luna Storta

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Didier Ghez: Patibulette

>For those of you who wanted to see Patibulette, just check the following
>URL: http://www.pizarro.net/didier/_private/patibul.htm

Thank you for sharing that... It was nice to see, and truly Mr. Marin's art
was very good. Though I must say, Paty looks a tad "vampish" with an
underlying motive... He was certainly able to display a very animated
skill WRT to face & body language.

Gladstone? :-)

Christopher Barat:
> <<...in America we also have that wonderful *holiday*
> called "Tax Day" which comes every April 15th....>>
>
>Don't forget the more recently created "Tax Independence Day," the day each
>year where Americans cease paying taxes to various entities and start getting
>to keep money for themselves. It seems to get later every year.

Well, they say such a day comes, but I can honestly say *I've* never
experienced
it! :-)

> DANNY COENEN said:
> <<...Fantasia 2000.... possibly starring Donald Duck....>>
>
>The original buzz was that the film would feature a version of "Pomp and
>Circumstance" in which a huge number of Disney characters would take part.
>Has this intention been changed?

To the best of my knowledge, the Donald Duck sequence is about the only
piece that has remained among the NEW material, practically all the other
new pieces have been revamped. I sure hope the delay is worth the wait.
I've been waiting decades for this sequel...

On another note, I wish they would finish "Destino" (art styling originally
conceived by Savador Dali). I have several illustrations in some books and
magazines that were created by Dali, and think the time is really ripe for
Disney to explore that form of metamorphic animation... It would be a
feast for the eyes for certain.

I guess the list has been a little slow due to the Easter Holiday.
Happy Easter everyone... The Disney Easter Day Parade is on the tele and
having seen some scenes from the upcoming feature "Mulan" I hope they
show something new during the parade... Mulan looks VERY GOOD!

Ciao all.

-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html

ARCHONTIS wrote:

>I have an observation about the otherwise enjoyable Scarpa story "The
>Mongol Springs": in the recent French edition of that story in "Mickey
>Parade" #219, about one-and-a-half page is cut where it had originally
>showed Atomino Bip-Bip using nuclear power to fly a dilapidated plane.
>Is nuclear power such a tabboo in modern day Disney comics to warrant
>this censorship?
>

and FRANCOIS replied:

>This story was published in MP#5, with the same cuts. Most of the time,
>the cuts in "Mickey Parade" were made by Mondadori for the "Classici"
>(Hachette used to reprint the Classici versions of the stories).
>
>So the question is: why the Italians made these cuts?

I can try to give a possible answer.
These cuts in reprints of two-part stories were usually NEVER acts of
censorship, but rather "technical" cuts to join the two parts. Sometimes a
couple of pages were cut off, sometimes panels were added (these added
panels were usually drawn by Perego and so are VERY distinguishable from the
"true" ones).
To understand why this happened, one must know that in those years
"Topolino" was printed with half of the pages in 4 colo(u)rs and the other
half in black-and-white. Presumably, the FRONT of each printing sheet was in
4 colo(u)rs and the back was in b/w; anyway, the usual sequence was: two
pages in colo(u)r, two pages in b/w, two pages in colo(u)r, two pages in
b/w, and so on. Now, the publisher wanted to keep this sequence also in the
reprint (because the reprint, too, had the same sequence).
It happened some times that part one ENDED with two colo(u)r pages and part
two, in the next issue, STARTED with two colo(u)r pages just the same. This
was the case of Scapra's "Flying Scotman", and also of "Mongol springs". The
publisher had two choices: either CUT two colo(u)r pages or ADD two b/w
pages. I think they decided to CUT pages whenever possible, and so they did
BOTH with "Flying Scotman" and "Mongol springs".

I'm leaving tomorrow for a short vacation (happy Easter everybody!), and
when I'm back (around Friday, the 17th ;-)) I'll put on my WWW pages
scans of these deleted pages.

Marco

Mike wrote, 13 days ago:

> Here is a short quote from Don Rosa concerning his next public signing
> appearances. [..]=20
>> I'll be at the Goteborg Book Fair in Sweden on October 22-25.
> So I hope you don=B4t miss him if you are in the area!

Does anyone have more information about this book fair? Is it worth
going to? Is it about *comics* or about books in general? And... are the
dates correct?

--Harry.

Today, Tax Day, I got the issue mentioned in the subject line, so it's time
for my usual regular review.

***SPOILERS***

"Their Loaded Forebear" was nice, with a neat antagonist, but I really think
William Van Horn has been spinning his wheels lately. His stories seem to
run in a cycle, much like the Taliaferro strips--Donald participates in a
sham contest, Donald competes for a job, Donald's get-rich-quick scheme
backfires on him, Donald and Neighbor Jones make a big to-do over the
ownership of a pennyante object, Donald walks in the woods (like this
story). While I like Van Horn's style, I think he should make an effort to
be more diverse. Why not focus on different characters for a change, like
Scrooge, Gyro, and Gladstone? (Actually Van Horn has NEVER done a
Donald-versus-Gladstone battle! When Gladstone has appeared in Van Horn's
stories, it is as a walk-on, with no consequence to the main story except
sometimes to siphon a hard-earned prize away from Donald at the last minute.)

"The Secret of the Ancient Incas" part 3 of 3 was somehow a disappointment.
Why have an "Inca treasure" comic book story if you don't show a lavish
panel displaying the whole treasure trove in all its glory? As a sidenote,
it's strange that Mickey doesn't recognize Pete's henchman when this
character (now referred to as Weasel) has been in several stories drawn by
Paul Murry before and after this (and several stories post-P. M.)! In fact,
in many of those other stories Mickey doesn't recognize Weasel either, so I
suspect that Murry was adding something which wasn't defined in his writers'
scripts.

"Bucky Bug and Mickey Moosebug" was a little bit more interesting than last
issue's feature, with the diverse Junkvillians depicted and the unusual
villain, but beyond that I haven't much comments. BTW, the story was written
by Evert Geradts, drawn by Bardon, first printed in Holland in DONALD DUCK
WEEKBLAD 16 van 1995, and its American script written by Donald Markstein,
who Gladstone erroneously credits as the sole author.

For Donald Duck by Al Taliaferro, I have nothing to say either.

"Hole in the Wall at Hoodyadoo" was nice enough, but was hurt by
serialization. Gladstone should have printed this in one piece.

"Metaphorically Spanking" was a nice surprise, as I hand't expected Don Rosa
to be good at "HDL play hookey" stories. I particularly got a kick out of
the picnic scene, which was reminiscent of a certain skit out of the Three
Stooges. Still, this is no "Little Something Special" as Rosa stories go.

"Clara Cluck." It was interesting as the first appearance of a character,
but otherwise--no comment. Credit clarification: the story originally
appeared in WDC&S 34 in 1943--SILLY SYMPHONIES 4 in 1954 was a reprint.

"The Bear Tamer" was neat for its Gladstone-Gyro collaboration and
Gladstone's unusual pessimistic side (at least one other story of this theme
exists, BTW--"The Lost Rabbit Foot" in FC 1047), but the ending seemed a
little abrupt.

Altogether a nice issue, but not really worth the $6.95 it costs.

***END SPOILERS***

--Jonathan Markoff

"We Beagle Boys will be EMPERORS of the world! We'll have KINGS and
PRESIDENTS grovelling at our feet!"
--Carl Barks, "The Mysterious Stone Ray"

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sorry for the off-topic;

but Alberto Becattani e-mailed me, and I can't seem to e-mail him back; imy
response keeps coming back....

Steven R