Don Rosa:
> all three [Ludwig von Drake, Moby Duck and Fethry] are
> still "officially dead" in the Duck Universe
(I assume you meant that they are "dead" for Egmont.)
In the pocket book Mickey-Parade, a new Fethry story from
Italy is being published almost each month, with Fethry
usually "teaming" with Donald & Scrooge. I like them a lot,
and I assume Fethry is still very popular in Italy. I was
told "Zio Paperone" do publish some Fethry short stories (the
original Fethry - who is American as you know - drawn by Al
Hubbard).
You said you would not use "Fethry" in a new story - is that
because Fethry is not a character from Barks' universe or
just because he is unknown in the USA (as I think he is). Or
just because you're not used to him and would not know what
to do with him?
> But I LIKE Ludwig Von Drake (I sneak him into the crowd
> scenes in my stories sometimes, though I'm not allowed to
> use him as a character)
Ludwig is used in Italy as well, at least he was a year ago.
(Which means that maybe you would be allowed to make a Ludwig
story for Disney Italia).
Does any member know if any of those Fethry and Ludwig von
Drake Italian stories are being published in Egmont countries
by the way? If this is the case, how do Egmont explain that
they want to ban the character in their Danish production,
but publish Italian stories with them? This looks like a very
odd attitude to me.
Favio
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Thierry Fernand
Digest #231
Message 136 -
2000-08-15 at 20:55:45
Fernando Ventura
Amadeu and Canini
Message 137 -
2000-08-15 at 23:55:48
Graciously Paolo Fontanesi sent to me a scan which I am happy to make
available to the list. However, in my humble opinion, it looks very,
very much like the way Renato Canini would have drawn Ellsworth. I
suspect that Canini played fast and loose with the character of Ellsworth
and just borrowed him for Jose's cast for a while without explaining
anything. I'd like to hear other opinions since, even thought this
is apparently a story reprinted from Brazil into an Italian publication
and the name is only slightly altered to "Amedeo", I'm betting that
most would agree that he is still Ellsworth (Genius, Gancio, etc.).
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/amedeo.gif
I didn't find here in my house the Amadeu's story, because I'm in change
and the most big part of my collection is in my new house. When I find it, I
will do a scan of the entire story.
In my opinnion he is Ellsworth. there are no reason to not be.
I just love the Renato Canini's work. It is a shame that Disney put him out
of the production. Maybe he is the best brazilian creator, because much of
histories was writted by him too. Unfortunatelly there are just one way to
know exactilly how many and which of them; asking to him. But I didn't know
nothing about he today. I think he live on Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul.
Any brazilian menber knows more about Canini?
Fernando!
available to the list. However, in my humble opinion, it looks very,
very much like the way Renato Canini would have drawn Ellsworth. I
suspect that Canini played fast and loose with the character of Ellsworth
and just borrowed him for Jose's cast for a while without explaining
anything. I'd like to hear other opinions since, even thought this
is apparently a story reprinted from Brazil into an Italian publication
and the name is only slightly altered to "Amedeo", I'm betting that
most would agree that he is still Ellsworth (Genius, Gancio, etc.).
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/amedeo.gif
I didn't find here in my house the Amadeu's story, because I'm in change
and the most big part of my collection is in my new house. When I find it, I
will do a scan of the entire story.
In my opinnion he is Ellsworth. there are no reason to not be.
I just love the Renato Canini's work. It is a shame that Disney put him out
of the production. Maybe he is the best brazilian creator, because much of
histories was writted by him too. Unfortunatelly there are just one way to
know exactilly how many and which of them; asking to him. But I didn't know
nothing about he today. I think he live on Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul.
Any brazilian menber knows more about Canini?
Fernando!
DYER,SONIA (HP-Cupertino,ex1)
Harry's photos
Message 138 -
2000-08-16 at 00:06:25
Thanks for making your photos available on line Harry! They're great!
Sonia
Sonia
Fernando Ventura
Official Characters?!
Message 139 -
2000-08-16 at 00:26:08
Don writted:
"I was told about this comic when I was making a list of all the Duckburg
characters to put into the Egmont Christmas Calendar I did last week.
Fethry is in issue one, next will be Moby Duck, and in the final issue will
be Ludwig Von Drake. I was worried that my editor would tell me they wanted7
me to include Fethry and Moby Duck in my calendar art, something I would
decline to do. But it turns out, at least so I'm told, that this 3-issue
series does not herald the return of these characters to the weeklies --
all three are still "officially dead" in the Duck Universe. But I LIKE
Ludwig Von Drake (I sneak him into the crowd scenes in my stories
sometimes, though I'm not allowed to use him as a character), so I was
still allowed to make him one of my Christmas vignettes.
(By the way, I *was* allowed to also include Jose Carioca and Panchito
Pistoles in my series!)"
So, Egmont don't permit there artists to use al the Disney character?!
Why? there are some reason for it?
And there are a reason because some countries, like Brazil and Italy,
publish Disney stories from all the world, and some countries didn't publish
then? Maybe Don can be allowed to do Ludwig histories for others companys,
like Picsou.
Al this three characters, Ludwig, Fethry and Moby Duck are used in
Brazil, but I just see one brazilian story with Moby.
Fernando!
"I was told about this comic when I was making a list of all the Duckburg
characters to put into the Egmont Christmas Calendar I did last week.
Fethry is in issue one, next will be Moby Duck, and in the final issue will
be Ludwig Von Drake. I was worried that my editor would tell me they wanted7
me to include Fethry and Moby Duck in my calendar art, something I would
decline to do. But it turns out, at least so I'm told, that this 3-issue
series does not herald the return of these characters to the weeklies --
all three are still "officially dead" in the Duck Universe. But I LIKE
Ludwig Von Drake (I sneak him into the crowd scenes in my stories
sometimes, though I'm not allowed to use him as a character), so I was
still allowed to make him one of my Christmas vignettes.
(By the way, I *was* allowed to also include Jose Carioca and Panchito
Pistoles in my series!)"
So, Egmont don't permit there artists to use al the Disney character?!
Why? there are some reason for it?
And there are a reason because some countries, like Brazil and Italy,
publish Disney stories from all the world, and some countries didn't publish
then? Maybe Don can be allowed to do Ludwig histories for others companys,
like Picsou.
Al this three characters, Ludwig, Fethry and Moby Duck are used in
Brazil, but I just see one brazilian story with Moby.
Fernando!
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Various replies
Message 140 -
2000-08-16 at 00:55:41
F. A. ELLIOT:
Images of Donald "reading" _Mein Kampf_ come from the 1943 anti-Nazi
cartoon DER FUEHRER'S FACE. The cartoon is a (brilliant) nightmare scenario
of DD as a resident in Nazi Germany. At one point, a soldier's bayonet
forces _Mein Kampf_ in front of Donald's face. It's meant to distract him;
as he stares at it, befuddled (the source of the image you saw), other
soldiers march into his house and force him against his will to join their
military parade. "Quit shovin'!"
DANIEL:
>For example, there is a Finnish book by Matti Eronen, titled "Carl Barks'
>Surviving Comic Book Art" (1994), which lists Barks' surviving comic book
>artwork. But I don't have this book myself, so I can't check.
>BTW. Now that I mention this book, does someone also know if other
>original comic book artwork by Barks has turned up since then?
A fair amount has. I know at least two 1951 covers to WDC&S have
emerged from the undergrowth. Some more material appears to be in private
collections that Eronen may not have known about.
EVERYONE (ESPECIALLY GERMANS) DISCUSSING ELLSWORTH :-)
Ellsworth = Maxi Smart = Moses.
Moses is the earliest name I saw him with in a German publication,
but it isn't the one they've stuck with. They're not two different birds;
they're one and the same, and it appears that the name will be Maxi Smart
from this point on (considering that they've splashed the name all over
their covers).
We should update the dcml interlingual file so that the German name
of the character is listed as Maxi Smart (same goes for Neighbor Jones, who
is now permanently called Zorngiebel).
Lars Jensen's data, BTW, comes from the original Sunday strip.
There, Goofy really does *buy* Ellsworth! (The French, perhaps not
remembering this, did an alternative origin story for Ellsworth involving
some Arab country and Professors Ecks and Doublex as the villains, but I
can't help that.)
RICH:
In D 99156, my Pegleg Pete birthday story "History Re-Petes Itself,"
the two pigs seen *are* Patricia and Peggy - no mistake. ("Nyx" is Inducks
terminology that may disappear from the story listing later... you needn't
pay attention to it.)
I'll get back to you regarding Percy and Patricia's son.
The fish character on the wall portrait is Goofy's favorite comic
book character, Flip the Fish. You remember Byron Erickson's "Fantasy
Island," don't you? Oy! (Flip makes cameos like this in a *lot* of Egmont
stories.)
The "weasel" character at the end is really a dogface, and he's
Trigger Hawkes from the classic Gottfredson Foreign Legion story. You
haven't seen the last of him... we hope.
David Gerstein
<dge at ecn.egmont.com>
Images of Donald "reading" _Mein Kampf_ come from the 1943 anti-Nazi
cartoon DER FUEHRER'S FACE. The cartoon is a (brilliant) nightmare scenario
of DD as a resident in Nazi Germany. At one point, a soldier's bayonet
forces _Mein Kampf_ in front of Donald's face. It's meant to distract him;
as he stares at it, befuddled (the source of the image you saw), other
soldiers march into his house and force him against his will to join their
military parade. "Quit shovin'!"
DANIEL:
>For example, there is a Finnish book by Matti Eronen, titled "Carl Barks'
>Surviving Comic Book Art" (1994), which lists Barks' surviving comic book
>artwork. But I don't have this book myself, so I can't check.
>BTW. Now that I mention this book, does someone also know if other
>original comic book artwork by Barks has turned up since then?
A fair amount has. I know at least two 1951 covers to WDC&S have
emerged from the undergrowth. Some more material appears to be in private
collections that Eronen may not have known about.
EVERYONE (ESPECIALLY GERMANS) DISCUSSING ELLSWORTH :-)
Ellsworth = Maxi Smart = Moses.
Moses is the earliest name I saw him with in a German publication,
but it isn't the one they've stuck with. They're not two different birds;
they're one and the same, and it appears that the name will be Maxi Smart
from this point on (considering that they've splashed the name all over
their covers).
We should update the dcml interlingual file so that the German name
of the character is listed as Maxi Smart (same goes for Neighbor Jones, who
is now permanently called Zorngiebel).
Lars Jensen's data, BTW, comes from the original Sunday strip.
There, Goofy really does *buy* Ellsworth! (The French, perhaps not
remembering this, did an alternative origin story for Ellsworth involving
some Arab country and Professors Ecks and Doublex as the villains, but I
can't help that.)
RICH:
In D 99156, my Pegleg Pete birthday story "History Re-Petes Itself,"
the two pigs seen *are* Patricia and Peggy - no mistake. ("Nyx" is Inducks
terminology that may disappear from the story listing later... you needn't
pay attention to it.)
I'll get back to you regarding Percy and Patricia's son.
The fish character on the wall portrait is Goofy's favorite comic
book character, Flip the Fish. You remember Byron Erickson's "Fantasy
Island," don't you? Oy! (Flip makes cameos like this in a *lot* of Egmont
stories.)
The "weasel" character at the end is really a dogface, and he's
Trigger Hawkes from the classic Gottfredson Foreign Legion story. You
haven't seen the last of him... we hope.
David Gerstein
<dge at ecn.egmont.com>
Henri Knne
DCML digest, Vol 1 #230 - 16 msgs
Message 141 -
2000-08-16 at 02:00:22
Hi to all,
Halvor Sandven wrote:
> I think the most interesting part of the Rosa-Calendar was the first
> page....
I understand this calendar is an attachment to a Norwegian Donald Duck & Co
issue. Do you think it's somehow possible to get a copy from that issue,
here abroad? I'm living in the Netherlands, I haven't got any idea how to
contact them.
> The drawing also made me wonder how old the boys really are.
Their age varies from 5 to 15, or even more. In the latest Micky Maus, the
German weekly, they're doing full-fledged chemical experiments and ignoring
their dwarfish statue, they look almost 20. On the other hand, in the
Grandma stories, they sometimes hardly look 5. Guess Duckburg chronology
is not ours.... It's simply done as fits the story best.
Greetings,
Henri
Halvor Sandven wrote:
> I think the most interesting part of the Rosa-Calendar was the first
> page....
I understand this calendar is an attachment to a Norwegian Donald Duck & Co
issue. Do you think it's somehow possible to get a copy from that issue,
here abroad? I'm living in the Netherlands, I haven't got any idea how to
contact them.
> The drawing also made me wonder how old the boys really are.
Their age varies from 5 to 15, or even more. In the latest Micky Maus, the
German weekly, they're doing full-fledged chemical experiments and ignoring
their dwarfish statue, they look almost 20. On the other hand, in the
Grandma stories, they sometimes hardly look 5. Guess Duckburg chronology
is not ours.... It's simply done as fits the story best.
Greetings,
Henri
F. A. Elliott
Uncle Scrooge #219 & The Printed Interview
Message 142 -
2000-08-16 at 05:06:30
Lately, for particular reasons, I've been concerned
copies of the Uncle Scrooge #219s I made available may
be ending up in the hands of some investors and not
the fans I intended. Fortunately, these investors will
get a little shock when they see the "red mark"
through the cover price of the U$ #219s. Like I said,
I found them in a "sales bin" and they were already
red marked. So, I'm "not" sorry to tell any investor
you'll not be able to get guideprice for these little
gems. Hee-hee - good day to you. Ahem! Now, back to
"The Fans!"
The printed interview is ready; although, I'm first
letting Mr. Don Rosa proof read it after he gets back
from Spain next week.
Like I said, the interview may see print in a
magazine. Once Mr. Rosa approves of the text, I've
decided to go with AlterEgo, which is edited by Roy
Thomas. I opted to go with the latter, and would not
make any money off it.
F.A. Elliott.
=====
The 'one' who has a finger on 'it'... scratches against the mahogany lining of a coffin crying, "I am Jonah! I am Jonah! Spit me back out so I may see and feel the light of day again." And, the levithan does not heed for it knows every great epic must come to an 'end.'
A tasty morsel known as... "understanding." (F.A. Elliott)
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copies of the Uncle Scrooge #219s I made available may
be ending up in the hands of some investors and not
the fans I intended. Fortunately, these investors will
get a little shock when they see the "red mark"
through the cover price of the U$ #219s. Like I said,
I found them in a "sales bin" and they were already
red marked. So, I'm "not" sorry to tell any investor
you'll not be able to get guideprice for these little
gems. Hee-hee - good day to you. Ahem! Now, back to
"The Fans!"
The printed interview is ready; although, I'm first
letting Mr. Don Rosa proof read it after he gets back
from Spain next week.
Like I said, the interview may see print in a
magazine. Once Mr. Rosa approves of the text, I've
decided to go with AlterEgo, which is edited by Roy
Thomas. I opted to go with the latter, and would not
make any money off it.
F.A. Elliott.
=====
The 'one' who has a finger on 'it'... scratches against the mahogany lining of a coffin crying, "I am Jonah! I am Jonah! Spit me back out so I may see and feel the light of day again." And, the levithan does not heed for it knows every great epic must come to an 'end.'
A tasty morsel known as... "understanding." (F.A. Elliott)
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Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere!
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Rich
Duck, Duck, Burg
Message 143 -
2000-08-16 at 07:27:25
Don Rosa said that Moby Duck, Fethry and Ludwig Von Drake are "Officially
Dead" in Duckburg. I'm curious what this means. Don, would it be fair
to say that there are, at least in the various countries where Disney
Comics are published, "different versions of Duckburg"? And in these
various countries they all seem to use their own rules, thus making some
characters "official" whereas other countries do not recognise these
same characters? For instance, a while back we were talking about how
Brazil publishes comics where Gyro has a girlfriend named Ermengarda who
was even originally invented in the US as a one-shot character named
Matilda. I suspect Don never utilizes Matilda in any stories featuring
Gyro. The same is probably true in Italy where Scarpa created a brother
for Scrooge named Gideon and a "girlfriend" named Bridgetta. I know
Rosa prefers the Barks characters to any other creators, but are Scarpa's
characters "dead" even though they seemed to do quite well in Italian
and other European and Brazilian publications? Perhaps it is just one
publisher that considers certain characters as dead, and that publisher
being the one Don works for, and thus reflective in Don's work? I
realize there are most assuredly characters Don wouldn't touch with a
ten foot pole (Moby Duck & Dim Witty, Fethry, Dugan and Gloria, and,
it seems Mickey Mouse & Goofy, too, fall well into that category?). I
guess this is fine, but it still tends to make for several versions of
Duckburg that co-exist in the publishing world of Disney comics. This
going beyond just the INDUCKS seperations of "Duck Tales" and "Duck
Universe", but even to an extent that we can see Brazil tends to mix
Mickey's world with Donald's, and Don & Carl's version of Duckburg, and
Romano Scarpa's version of Duckburg, Van Horn's and probably others
where the distinctions are even less clear. I realize Don may not be
able to respond to this right away. Actually I'm not even sure he's
interested in any version of Duckburg other than the one he feels
most comfortable with, but does one version of Duckburg necessarily
invalidate any of the others? At lease in Rosa's Duckburg it is nice
to know Panchito and Jose still exist.
Even I have my preferences, that is that Mickey, Goofy and Pete all
live in Mouseton (or whatever it might be called these days?) and
that Donald, Scrooge, Ludwig and even Launchpad all live in Duckburg.
In anycase, I enjoy much of Don's work, but I also enjoy Scarpa's,
van Horns and many others. Of course I'm mostly a fan of Mickey and
Goofy comics moreso than Donald and Scrooge, but I like the entire
line of Disney characters so its all good to me.
Thierry Fernand said (to Don Rosa):
> You said you would not use "Fethry" in a new story - is that
> because Fethry is not a character from Barks' universe or
> just because he is unknown in the USA (as I think he is). Or
> just because you're not used to him and would not know what
> to do with him?
I know we discussed Fethry quite a bit on this list in the
past, and despite what I have read Mr. Rosa supposedly saying
that Fethry has never appeared in the USA, this is false since
he has his very first stories published in the USA as far back
as the mid 1960s. He looked very different, but he was definitely
the same character. He had one or two of his newer comics from
Europe published among the last of Gladstone II's run here in
the USA also in the late 1990s. Fethry is not entirely unknown
in the USA, though he was not very well know for sure. His
nephew Dugan and his hippy girlfriend, Gloria, and there
superhero identies as the Red Bat and the Purple Butterfly
have never seen publication in the USA either.
David Gerstein said:
> In D 99156, my Pegleg Pete birthday story "History Re-Petes Itself,"
> the two pigs seen *are* Patricia and Peggy - no mistake. ("Nyx" is Inducks
> terminology that may disappear from the story listing later... you needn't
> pay attention to it.)
Ahhh. O.K., but does that mean Patricia's name will move into a proper
place of being indexed along with the other appearing characters, since
as of now she is relegated to the segregated "nyx" footnote which makes
it seem as if she's being removed rather than included. Perhaps one of
the Master indexers knows? And the Name of the story should also be there.
> I'll get back to you regarding Percy and Patricia's son.
Oh good! :-)
> The fish character on the wall portrait is Goofy's favorite comic
> book character, Flip the Fish. You remember Byron Erickson's "Fantasy
> Island," don't you? Oy! (Flip makes cameos like this in a *lot* of Egmont
> stories.)
Would it be presumptious of me to assume that "Flip the Fish" is somehow
an homage to Ub Iwerks' "Flip the Frog"? If it is I think that is wonderful!
http://vitaphone.thetaband.com/flip.html
> The "weasel" character at the end is really a dogface, and he's
> Trigger Hawkes from the classic Gottfredson Foreign Legion story. You
> haven't seen the last of him... we hope.
Yes, that makes sense... He is a rather cool looking character (much better
than Scuttle anyhow), and I think he would make a nice addition to Mickey's
rogues gallery! I always enjoy your indulgences into the past... You
have breathed new life into such characters as Butch and Patricia, and many
of the old Gottfredson villains. I just wish I could enjoy them more! I
get to see some of them through the comics I receive through trade with
Franco, but I see you have so many other stories to your credit that I
haven't seen! It's nice that you are keeping the Gottfredson legacy alive.
Oh, and keep using Figaro... I like that! :-) I wonder if you've ever
worked Fifi into any stories?
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
xephyr at jps.net
Dead" in Duckburg. I'm curious what this means. Don, would it be fair
to say that there are, at least in the various countries where Disney
Comics are published, "different versions of Duckburg"? And in these
various countries they all seem to use their own rules, thus making some
characters "official" whereas other countries do not recognise these
same characters? For instance, a while back we were talking about how
Brazil publishes comics where Gyro has a girlfriend named Ermengarda who
was even originally invented in the US as a one-shot character named
Matilda. I suspect Don never utilizes Matilda in any stories featuring
Gyro. The same is probably true in Italy where Scarpa created a brother
for Scrooge named Gideon and a "girlfriend" named Bridgetta. I know
Rosa prefers the Barks characters to any other creators, but are Scarpa's
characters "dead" even though they seemed to do quite well in Italian
and other European and Brazilian publications? Perhaps it is just one
publisher that considers certain characters as dead, and that publisher
being the one Don works for, and thus reflective in Don's work? I
realize there are most assuredly characters Don wouldn't touch with a
ten foot pole (Moby Duck & Dim Witty, Fethry, Dugan and Gloria, and,
it seems Mickey Mouse & Goofy, too, fall well into that category?). I
guess this is fine, but it still tends to make for several versions of
Duckburg that co-exist in the publishing world of Disney comics. This
going beyond just the INDUCKS seperations of "Duck Tales" and "Duck
Universe", but even to an extent that we can see Brazil tends to mix
Mickey's world with Donald's, and Don & Carl's version of Duckburg, and
Romano Scarpa's version of Duckburg, Van Horn's and probably others
where the distinctions are even less clear. I realize Don may not be
able to respond to this right away. Actually I'm not even sure he's
interested in any version of Duckburg other than the one he feels
most comfortable with, but does one version of Duckburg necessarily
invalidate any of the others? At lease in Rosa's Duckburg it is nice
to know Panchito and Jose still exist.
Even I have my preferences, that is that Mickey, Goofy and Pete all
live in Mouseton (or whatever it might be called these days?) and
that Donald, Scrooge, Ludwig and even Launchpad all live in Duckburg.
In anycase, I enjoy much of Don's work, but I also enjoy Scarpa's,
van Horns and many others. Of course I'm mostly a fan of Mickey and
Goofy comics moreso than Donald and Scrooge, but I like the entire
line of Disney characters so its all good to me.
Thierry Fernand said (to Don Rosa):
> You said you would not use "Fethry" in a new story - is that
> because Fethry is not a character from Barks' universe or
> just because he is unknown in the USA (as I think he is). Or
> just because you're not used to him and would not know what
> to do with him?
I know we discussed Fethry quite a bit on this list in the
past, and despite what I have read Mr. Rosa supposedly saying
that Fethry has never appeared in the USA, this is false since
he has his very first stories published in the USA as far back
as the mid 1960s. He looked very different, but he was definitely
the same character. He had one or two of his newer comics from
Europe published among the last of Gladstone II's run here in
the USA also in the late 1990s. Fethry is not entirely unknown
in the USA, though he was not very well know for sure. His
nephew Dugan and his hippy girlfriend, Gloria, and there
superhero identies as the Red Bat and the Purple Butterfly
have never seen publication in the USA either.
David Gerstein said:
> In D 99156, my Pegleg Pete birthday story "History Re-Petes Itself,"
> the two pigs seen *are* Patricia and Peggy - no mistake. ("Nyx" is Inducks
> terminology that may disappear from the story listing later... you needn't
> pay attention to it.)
Ahhh. O.K., but does that mean Patricia's name will move into a proper
place of being indexed along with the other appearing characters, since
as of now she is relegated to the segregated "nyx" footnote which makes
it seem as if she's being removed rather than included. Perhaps one of
the Master indexers knows? And the Name of the story should also be there.
> I'll get back to you regarding Percy and Patricia's son.
Oh good! :-)
> The fish character on the wall portrait is Goofy's favorite comic
> book character, Flip the Fish. You remember Byron Erickson's "Fantasy
> Island," don't you? Oy! (Flip makes cameos like this in a *lot* of Egmont
> stories.)
Would it be presumptious of me to assume that "Flip the Fish" is somehow
an homage to Ub Iwerks' "Flip the Frog"? If it is I think that is wonderful!
http://vitaphone.thetaband.com/flip.html
> The "weasel" character at the end is really a dogface, and he's
> Trigger Hawkes from the classic Gottfredson Foreign Legion story. You
> haven't seen the last of him... we hope.
Yes, that makes sense... He is a rather cool looking character (much better
than Scuttle anyhow), and I think he would make a nice addition to Mickey's
rogues gallery! I always enjoy your indulgences into the past... You
have breathed new life into such characters as Butch and Patricia, and many
of the old Gottfredson villains. I just wish I could enjoy them more! I
get to see some of them through the comics I receive through trade with
Franco, but I see you have so many other stories to your credit that I
haven't seen! It's nice that you are keeping the Gottfredson legacy alive.
Oh, and keep using Figaro... I like that! :-) I wonder if you've ever
worked Fifi into any stories?
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
xephyr at jps.net
Søren Krarup Olesen
Duck, Duck, Burg (nyx)
Message 144 -
2000-08-16 at 14:32:18
RICH + DAVID:
> David Gerstein said:
> > In D 99156, my Pegleg Pete birthday story "History Re-Petes Itself,"
> > the two pigs seen *are* Patricia and Peggy - no mistake. ("Nyx" is Inducks
> > terminology that may disappear from the story listing later... you needn't
> > pay attention to it.)
>
> Ahhh. O.K., but does that mean Patricia's name will move into a proper
> place of being indexed along with the other appearing characters, since
> as of now she is relegated to the segregated "nyx" footnote which makes
> it seem as if she's being removed rather than included. Perhaps one of
> the Master indexers knows? And the Name of the story should also be there.
"nyx" was Brix' way of saying "not yet xapped", and it was introduced
because we (at that time) didn't want all sorts of one-time characters
to appear in the xapp field. I believe this has changed now, so in fact
all nyx characters should go directly to the xapp field.
Søren
> David Gerstein said:
> > In D 99156, my Pegleg Pete birthday story "History Re-Petes Itself,"
> > the two pigs seen *are* Patricia and Peggy - no mistake. ("Nyx" is Inducks
> > terminology that may disappear from the story listing later... you needn't
> > pay attention to it.)
>
> Ahhh. O.K., but does that mean Patricia's name will move into a proper
> place of being indexed along with the other appearing characters, since
> as of now she is relegated to the segregated "nyx" footnote which makes
> it seem as if she's being removed rather than included. Perhaps one of
> the Master indexers knows? And the Name of the story should also be there.
"nyx" was Brix' way of saying "not yet xapped", and it was introduced
because we (at that time) didn't want all sorts of one-time characters
to appear in the xapp field. I believe this has changed now, so in fact
all nyx characters should go directly to the xapp field.
Søren
Kriton Kyrimis
DCML digest, Vol 1 #229 - 11 msgs
Message 145 -
2000-08-16 at 14:39:07
DAN:
> It
> has been pointed out to other Europeans, South Americans, etc., on this
> list many times that we residents of the USA usually have much poorer
> English skills than most of the "foreigners" who write us in their
> non-native tongue.
> ...
> href=3D"mailto:eirik.sollie at c2i.net"><STRONG><FONT=20
> face=3DSystem =
> size=3D2>eirik.sollie at c2i.net</FONT></STRONG></A><STRONG><FONT=20
> face=3DSystem size=3D2>></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DSystem size=3D2>To: <</FONT></STRONG><A=20
> href=3D"mailto:dcml at stp.ling.uu.se"><STRONG><FONT face=3DSystem=20
> size=3D2>dcml at stp.ling.uu.se</FONT></STRONG></A><STRONG><FONT =
> ...
I see what you mean!!!
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Sorry, but once more, I just couldn't resist:
DON:
> > Maybe you'll also make a list of the INaccurate details?
> >>>I thought that Don included such a list in his last posting. ;-)
>
> I was puzzled a bit by that line, myself, but I assumed it was just
> supposed to sound funny.
Indeed. What I meant was that inaccuracies in your stories are so few
and far between, that an empty list would be pretty comprehensive.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I'm playing with a fire so dangerous I could scorch eternity."
-----
> It
> has been pointed out to other Europeans, South Americans, etc., on this
> list many times that we residents of the USA usually have much poorer
> English skills than most of the "foreigners" who write us in their
> non-native tongue.
> ...
> href=3D"mailto:eirik.sollie at c2i.net"><STRONG><FONT=20
> face=3DSystem =
> size=3D2>eirik.sollie at c2i.net</FONT></STRONG></A><STRONG><FONT=20
> face=3DSystem size=3D2>></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DSystem size=3D2>To: <</FONT></STRONG><A=20
> href=3D"mailto:dcml at stp.ling.uu.se"><STRONG><FONT face=3DSystem=20
> size=3D2>dcml at stp.ling.uu.se</FONT></STRONG></A><STRONG><FONT =
> ...
I see what you mean!!!
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Sorry, but once more, I just couldn't resist:
DON:
> > Maybe you'll also make a list of the INaccurate details?
> >>>I thought that Don included such a list in his last posting. ;-)
>
> I was puzzled a bit by that line, myself, but I assumed it was just
> supposed to sound funny.
Indeed. What I meant was that inaccuracies in your stories are so few
and far between, that an empty list would be pretty comprehensive.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I'm playing with a fire so dangerous I could scorch eternity."
-----
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Digest #231
Message 146 -
2000-08-16 at 15:40:11
Hey Thierry,
>Does any member know if any of those Fethry and Ludwig von
>Drake Italian stories are being published in Egmont countries
>by the way? If this is the case, how do Egmont explain that
>they want to ban the character in their Danish production,
>but publish Italian stories with them? This looks like a very
>odd attitude to me.
We Egmonters "killed" Fethry from our Danish production in the early
1990s because the character had been misused too often - readers (and
editors) were used to him acting like a dumber twin of Donald rather than an
interesting character of his own. Not a very rewarding version of Fethry. He
stole the spotlight from Donald, was shallow in and of himself, and thus
acquired a bad reputation.
The Italian Fethry stories were comparatively okay, though, so we
continued to publish *those* in our pocketbooks, because they were still
popular enough. Makes perfect sense, I hope :-)
And...
Very recently (this year) we've begun to feature an *occasional* new
Fethry story in our own production, so he *is* returning to the weeklies
once in a while. But he's not the boring Fethry of our older stories - that
version remains dead!!! The "new" Egmont Fethry is the *real* Fethry created
by Dick Kinney in 1964.
There have been two of the new Fethry stories this year, and
according to present plan, more will be coming in 2001.
David Gerstein
>Does any member know if any of those Fethry and Ludwig von
>Drake Italian stories are being published in Egmont countries
>by the way? If this is the case, how do Egmont explain that
>they want to ban the character in their Danish production,
>but publish Italian stories with them? This looks like a very
>odd attitude to me.
We Egmonters "killed" Fethry from our Danish production in the early
1990s because the character had been misused too often - readers (and
editors) were used to him acting like a dumber twin of Donald rather than an
interesting character of his own. Not a very rewarding version of Fethry. He
stole the spotlight from Donald, was shallow in and of himself, and thus
acquired a bad reputation.
The Italian Fethry stories were comparatively okay, though, so we
continued to publish *those* in our pocketbooks, because they were still
popular enough. Makes perfect sense, I hope :-)
And...
Very recently (this year) we've begun to feature an *occasional* new
Fethry story in our own production, so he *is* returning to the weeklies
once in a while. But he's not the boring Fethry of our older stories - that
version remains dead!!! The "new" Egmont Fethry is the *real* Fethry created
by Dick Kinney in 1964.
There have been two of the new Fethry stories this year, and
according to present plan, more will be coming in 2001.
David Gerstein
Francesco Spreafico
Ellsworth vs. Genius
Message 147 -
2000-08-16 at 18:05:31
From: "Thierry Fernand" <favio31 at caramail.com>
was reprinting Scarpa stories with Ellsworth's nephew at the
same time).
"Son", not "nephew"... or better, "godson" (or "stepson"? what's the word?
Ellsworth adopted him)
I'm not nit-picking I'm just wondering whether they've changed that in
translations.
--
Sprea
was reprinting Scarpa stories with Ellsworth's nephew at the
same time).
"Son", not "nephew"... or better, "godson" (or "stepson"? what's the word?
Ellsworth adopted him)
I'm not nit-picking I'm just wondering whether they've changed that in
translations.
--
Sprea
Alexgoe
Various replies (Ellsworth)
Message 148 -
2000-08-16 at 18:27:20
David wrote:
> EVERYONE (ESPECIALLY GERMANS) DISCUSSING ELLSWORTH :-)
> Ellsworth = Maxi Smart = Moses.
> Moses is the earliest name I saw him with in a German publication,
>but it isn't the one they've stuck with. They're not two different birds;
>they're one and the same, and it appears that the name will be Maxi Smart
>from this point on (considering that they've splashed the name all over
>their covers).
> We should update the dcml interlingual file so that the German name
>of the character is listed as Maxi Smart (same goes for Neighbor Jones, who
>is now permanently called Zorngiebel).
> Lars Jensen's data, BTW, comes from the original Sunday strip.
>There, Goofy really does *buy* Ellsworth! (The French, perhaps not
>remembering this, did an alternative origin story for Ellsworth involving
>some Arab country and Professors Ecks and Doublex as the villains, but I
>can't help that.)
Strange, strange, strange... ;-) Maxi Smart is also called "Bruno" in some
stories. They're also written and drawn by Scarpa and these two look totally
equal...
Alex
> EVERYONE (ESPECIALLY GERMANS) DISCUSSING ELLSWORTH :-)
> Ellsworth = Maxi Smart = Moses.
> Moses is the earliest name I saw him with in a German publication,
>but it isn't the one they've stuck with. They're not two different birds;
>they're one and the same, and it appears that the name will be Maxi Smart
>from this point on (considering that they've splashed the name all over
>their covers).
> We should update the dcml interlingual file so that the German name
>of the character is listed as Maxi Smart (same goes for Neighbor Jones, who
>is now permanently called Zorngiebel).
> Lars Jensen's data, BTW, comes from the original Sunday strip.
>There, Goofy really does *buy* Ellsworth! (The French, perhaps not
>remembering this, did an alternative origin story for Ellsworth involving
>some Arab country and Professors Ecks and Doublex as the villains, but I
>can't help that.)
Strange, strange, strange... ;-) Maxi Smart is also called "Bruno" in some
stories. They're also written and drawn by Scarpa and these two look totally
equal...
Alex
Thierry Fernand
Ellsworth vs. Genius
Message 149 -
2000-08-16 at 18:44:31
David:
>The French, perhaps not remembering this, did an alternative
>origin story for Ellsworth involving some Arab country and
>Professors Ecks and Doublex as the villains, but I
>can't help that.
In 1985, the original Gonzales sunday strips introducing
Ellsworth (including the first one) were published in the
Journal de Mickey as back cover gags (I think the pocket book
was reprinting Scarpa stories with Ellsworth's nephew at the
same time).
The journal de Mickey also published some Dutch Ellsworth
gags, and then Hachette started to produce its own.
So the creators definitely knew Ellsworth's origin (as any
Disney comics fan. In fact Jean-Luc Cochet - editor of the
stories - has always been an amateur and fan of Disney
comics).
I remember this first French story with Ellsworth very well.
In fact, despite it was probably not "canonical" for a Disney
comics purist (and I can understand that), I always liked the
story. Though I admit the story did radically change
Ellsworth's origin, it did not affect its original
personality as a genius with popular (or sometimes very
elegant) manners but with a good heart.
The later French stories *did* change his personality in a
way that I disliked very much (pretentious & somehow stupid).
I finally found the character boring (the weekly gags in fact
are now abandoned).
Favio
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>The French, perhaps not remembering this, did an alternative
>origin story for Ellsworth involving some Arab country and
>Professors Ecks and Doublex as the villains, but I
>can't help that.
In 1985, the original Gonzales sunday strips introducing
Ellsworth (including the first one) were published in the
Journal de Mickey as back cover gags (I think the pocket book
was reprinting Scarpa stories with Ellsworth's nephew at the
same time).
The journal de Mickey also published some Dutch Ellsworth
gags, and then Hachette started to produce its own.
So the creators definitely knew Ellsworth's origin (as any
Disney comics fan. In fact Jean-Luc Cochet - editor of the
stories - has always been an amateur and fan of Disney
comics).
I remember this first French story with Ellsworth very well.
In fact, despite it was probably not "canonical" for a Disney
comics purist (and I can understand that), I always liked the
story. Though I admit the story did radically change
Ellsworth's origin, it did not affect its original
personality as a genius with popular (or sometimes very
elegant) manners but with a good heart.
The later French stories *did* change his personality in a
way that I disliked very much (pretentious & somehow stupid).
I finally found the character boring (the weekly gags in fact
are now abandoned).
Favio
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Thierry Fernand
Fethry & Moby
Message 150 -
2000-08-16 at 19:22:25
> We Egmonters "killed" Fethry from our Danish
>production in the early 1990s because the character had been
>misused too often - readers (and editors) were used to him
>acting like a dumber twin of Donald rather than an
>interesting character of his own.
>The Italian Fethry stories were comparatively okay, though,
>so we continued to publish *those* in our pocketbooks,
>because they were still popular enough. Makes perfect sense,
>I hope :-)
Absolutely, yes. You made me curious of what these Danish
supposedly bad Fethry stories look like. I can't think of any
of them, but maybe they just didn't appear in France.
After a difficult look in Inducks, I have to say I can't find
many of them. If you disregard covers, gags and remakes, it
turns out that I only got 11 of these Fethry Danish stories,
most being quite old. (But maybe I did something something
wrong in my search?).
> Very recently (this year) we've begun to feature an >*occasional* new Fethry story in our own production, so he
>*is* returning to the weeklies once in a while. But he's not
>the boring Fethry of our older stories - that version
>remains dead!!! The "new" Egmont Fethry is the *real* Fethry
>created by Dick Kinney in 1964.
> There have been two of the new Fethry stories this >year, and according to present plan, more will be coming in >2001.
Thanks for sharing these very good news with us. I am looking
forward to see the results obviously (let's hcross our
fingers so that Hachette will publish them).
Regarding Moby, I heard that this character really was dead
because of his job (killing cachalots & whales) being not
something Disney would allow for the "hero" of one of its
comics. At least I have never seen any recent story -
Italian, Danish or Mongolian - with him.
But maybe you have more information about this?
(I must say that I had never been very fond of this character
myself - his US stories really have somehow awful art).
Favio
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>production in the early 1990s because the character had been
>misused too often - readers (and editors) were used to him
>acting like a dumber twin of Donald rather than an
>interesting character of his own.
>The Italian Fethry stories were comparatively okay, though,
>so we continued to publish *those* in our pocketbooks,
>because they were still popular enough. Makes perfect sense,
>I hope :-)
Absolutely, yes. You made me curious of what these Danish
supposedly bad Fethry stories look like. I can't think of any
of them, but maybe they just didn't appear in France.
After a difficult look in Inducks, I have to say I can't find
many of them. If you disregard covers, gags and remakes, it
turns out that I only got 11 of these Fethry Danish stories,
most being quite old. (But maybe I did something something
wrong in my search?).
> Very recently (this year) we've begun to feature an >*occasional* new Fethry story in our own production, so he
>*is* returning to the weeklies once in a while. But he's not
>the boring Fethry of our older stories - that version
>remains dead!!! The "new" Egmont Fethry is the *real* Fethry
>created by Dick Kinney in 1964.
> There have been two of the new Fethry stories this >year, and according to present plan, more will be coming in >2001.
Thanks for sharing these very good news with us. I am looking
forward to see the results obviously (let's hcross our
fingers so that Hachette will publish them).
Regarding Moby, I heard that this character really was dead
because of his job (killing cachalots & whales) being not
something Disney would allow for the "hero" of one of its
comics. At least I have never seen any recent story -
Italian, Danish or Mongolian - with him.
But maybe you have more information about this?
(I must say that I had never been very fond of this character
myself - his US stories really have somehow awful art).
Favio
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