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Ola:
> But I don't think I ever heard the names of the two other pigs in
> English. Does anyone on this list know their names and does Practical
> Pig has another name or is that his name ?

The English names of the pigs can be found on several places on the Web.
For instance the text file
ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/comics/disney/characters/interlingual
and Rich's Hoozoo page
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/3pigs.html

The pigs' names are:
Practical (the practical one)
Fiddler (the one with the fiddle)
Fifer (the one with the fife, a kind of flute)

--Harry.

>From: Ola Martinsson <Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: What's the English names for the three little pigs ?
>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:47:14 +0200

>But I don't think I ever heard the names of the two other pigs in
>English. Does anyone on this list know their names and does Practical
>Pig has another name or is that his name ?

Fiddler Pig and Fifer Pig.
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Don Rosa wrote:

>it rained nearly the whole time I was there, proving that the rain in
>Spain does not fall mainly where Prof. Higgins claims.
[...]
>And there was no Spanish Inquisition, but I never expect that, anyway.
>Nobody does.

:-))) I'm so glad I can still appreciate some of your omnivorously
erudite wit in your messages, after nearly two years without your
stories in English language... thanks for sharing your own "Sketches
of Spain" :-)

But this reminds me of a question I meant to ask here for a while...

Can anybody explain the reason why the matter of getting a licence
for publishing Disney comics in the States is SO complicated, to the
point of impossibility, apparently ?

I assume the problem is mostly of the monetary persuasion, but does
anybody know what Disney's requirements actually are ?

Cheers

Eta Beta

F.A. Elliott wrote:

"Still, I'm the kind of person that thinks every great fictional story needs
to have a beginning, middle, and ending. I also think Don Rosa is a stickler
for continuity, at least in the time frame or universe that Carl Barks laid
down. So, I'm going to ask him or any of you a question that's probably been
asked before. Is there a story to be told (imaginary or as you truly
see it) where we see the final days of Scrooge McDuck? If yes, then how do
you see it panning out? [...] Don Rosa's already handled the death of
Scrooge's parents with finite tact. Why not Scrooge himself? At least in an
imaginary story? Hmm, time
will tell...time will tell... No matter what, I say we have to have that
"sunset!" Another Rainbow - meets - The Final Sunset. God bless".

***

Really, what a strange idea! A few weeks ago, I wrote a mail in order to
defend Don Rosa's vision of Barks' universe (as a logical and historic
universe more than a fantasy one). Nevertheless, I think that the logic and
historic context of Barks' and Don's stories is only meant to serve as
moving and acting rules for their characters (the reader is very pleased to
see the true, real history experienced, lived by an "alternative people").
It must not influence directly the characters themself, or mark them in a
indelible
way, because Barks' or Rosa's Ducks DON'T BECOME anymore : they ARE and HAVE
BEEN, but they become no longer. Only REAL ducks grow old (you know: the
ones which don't speak but say 'quack quack'). Barks' and Rosa's ducks have
a past and a present, but not a future. Don (who will tell me if I'm wrong)
has written "Life and Times of Scrooge Mc Duck" to relate how Scrooge has
become what he IS: this "IS" is eternal and untemporal; Scrooge will not
become anymore and - so - he'll never die. Moreover, although Barks has
constructed his universe as an "open" universe, he certainly hopes that no
drawer will "kill" one of his characters - which would change his universe
into a "closed" universe.
It is only my opinion (a fan opinion) and, of course, yours is as
respectable, but I absolutely disagree: I'd HATE a story which would tell us
the death of Scrooge Mc Duck (or any other Disney character).

Clement Le Hyaric-

Well, in particular, I was thinking about the story
Don Rosa did, where Scrooge celebrates 50 years in
Duckburg. That would be (what) 1952 or 1954. So that
story would take place 5-7 years after the night on
Bear Mountain in 1947.
Then, again, I think Mr. Rosa once said that in
his opinion Carl Barks didn't really get his version
of the duck universe rolling until about this time. So
I would've agreed with you...
That is, until Mr. Rosa posted an e-mail on this
page stating that he does in fact have some final
story slowing coming together in his head.
Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to
afford whatever his prices are to have it downloaded
into my head in 2032!
All in all, I stand by my belief that there has
to be a beginning, middle and ending to all things to
make them eternal or universial. This is why most all
comic books in my opinion fall flat because there's no
sense of closure. They just go on forever.
At least we got to see what Superman's death may
have been like. At the end of Funeral For a Friend Pa
Kent drops dead from a heart attack, due to all the
stress of losing Clark, while Martha is wailing,"Why?"
Exactly, "Why?" I think it's just a wonderful moment,
and, heh, it ends with a sunset.
So, that's as close as will ever get to seeing
Superman dying. And, characters that popular should
have closure. Even though they're just comics, and I
enjoy reading them, I think closure (even the
foreshadowing of it done with Superman) should be
built into the framework of every story.
Like in Star Trek II with Kirk, Spock, McCoy and
the Kobyashimarue Test. Everybody has to face death
eventually, and in his or her own way. We can't
rewrite the program... we have to experiece it. Head
on!
Anyway, I do respect and find your opinion
interesting. So befoe I get anymore off topic...

God bless,

F.A. Elliott.

--- Clément_Le_Hyaric <p.lehyaric at free.fr> wrote:
> F.A. Elliott wrote:
>
> "Still, I'm the kind of person that thinks every
> great fictional story needs
> to have a beginning, middle, and ending. I also
> think Don Rosa is a stickler
> for continuity, at least in the time frame or
> universe that Carl Barks laid
> down. So, I'm going to ask him or any of you a
> question that's probably been
> asked before. Is there a story to be told (imaginary
> or as you truly
> see it) where we see the final days of Scrooge
> McDuck? If yes, then how do
> you see it panning out? [...] Don Rosa's already
> handled the death of
> Scrooge's parents with finite tact. Why not Scrooge
> himself? At least in an
> imaginary story? Hmm, time
> will tell...time will tell... No matter what, I say
> we have to have that
> "sunset!" Another Rainbow - meets - The Final
> Sunset. God bless".
>
> ***
>
> Really, what a strange idea! A few weeks ago, I
> wrote a mail in order to
> defend Don Rosa's vision of Barks' universe (as a
> logical and historic
> universe more than a fantasy one). Nevertheless, I
> think that the logic and
> historic context of Barks' and Don's stories is only
> meant to serve as
> moving and acting rules for their characters (the
> reader is very pleased to
> see the true, real history experienced, lived by an
> "alternative people").
> It must not influence directly the characters
> themself, or mark them in a
> indelible
> way, because Barks' or Rosa's Ducks DON'T BECOME
> anymore : they ARE and HAVE
> BEEN, but they become no longer. Only REAL ducks
> grow old (you know: the
> ones which don't speak but say 'quack quack').
> Barks' and Rosa's ducks have
> a past and a present, but not a future. Don (who
> will tell me if I'm wrong)
> has written "Life and Times of Scrooge Mc Duck" to
> relate how Scrooge has
> become what he IS: this "IS" is eternal and
> untemporal; Scrooge will not
> become anymore and - so - he'll never die. Moreover,
> although Barks has
> constructed his universe as an "open" universe, he
> certainly hopes that no
> drawer will "kill" one of his characters - which
> would change his universe
> into a "closed" universe.
> It is only my opinion (a fan opinion) and, of
> course, yours is as
> respectable, but I absolutely disagree: I'd HATE a
> story which would tell us
> the death of Scrooge Mc Duck (or any other Disney
> character).
>
> Clement Le Hyaric-
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml

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The 'one' who has a finger on 'it'... scratches against the mahogany lining of a coffin crying, "I am Jonah! I am Jonah! Spit me back out so I may see and feel the light of day again." And, the levithan does not heed for it knows every great epic must come to an 'end.'
A tasty morsel known as... "understanding." (F.A. Elliott)

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Hello!

F.A. Elliot wrote: "Did Carl Barks, or anyone for that matter, ever do a
story where we see Scrooge in the future. Not necessarly, dealing with time
travel to the far flung future. But a not so distant future, where he sees
or witnesses what happens to Donald, his nephews, the money bin, and other
matters of his affairs in Duckburg."

I'm sure several stories have dealt with this matter, but one story comes to
mind. This is an italian story written by Attilio Mazzanti and drawn by
Luciano Gatto (one of my favourites) in 1961. It's called 'Paperino... Anno
2001' (I TL 309-A) and has also been printed in pocket-books in several
countries (see Inducks). It's about Scrooge wanting Donald and HDL to go to
the future, because he's worried that Donald won't take care of his fortune
if he inheritages this. When they arrive at the future, the soon see a
poster of what they believe is Scrooge. Being puzzled about that he
apparently hasn't changed any, they go to see him, only to discover that
this isn't Scrooge, but Donald himself that looks exactly as Scrooge did.
They are told that HDL now work for Donald, being placed on the moon, March
and Venus. The elder Donald also shows them the last picture taken of
Scrooge, looking very old and tired. They soon discover that the elder
Donald is maybe even more careful about his money than what Scrooge ever
was. The younger Donald wants half of the heritage, because he's an heir
too. When the elder Donald tries to trick the younger one by giving him very
little 'future-money', the younger Donald goes to the B-boys for help. An
interesting part of the story, is when the younger Donald takes a bath in
the money, acting exactly the same way as Scrooge used to do, this
indicating that it's actually possibly that Donald could turn into a version
of Scrooge. In the last confrontation of the Donalds, the younger one is so
disgusted by his older self, that he treatens to tell Scrooge that he has
spent the whole fortune, just to make this future not to happen. After being
chased by the older Donald and the B-boys, the younger one and HDL finds
their way back to the past. They then tell Scrooge the lie, and Scrooge
kicks Donald out of the bin, and tells him that he won't inherit anything.
Well, this is a very nice story, but for some reasons the first panel is
drawn by Perego. The part where Doanld and the boys go back to the past,
also looks a bit strange, so I suspect that something is edited away. Does
someone know what really happened here?
---Halvor

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F. A. ELLIOT + HALVOR:

> This is an italian story written by Attilio Mazzanti and drawn by
> Luciano Gatto (one of my favourites) in 1961. It's called 'Paperino... Anno
> 2001' (I TL 309-A) and has also been printed in pocket-books in several
> countries (see Inducks).

Funny! Exactly the same story came to my mind, but I think I have
mentioned it before on this list, on another occation.

> Well, this is a very nice story, but for some reasons the first panel is
> drawn by Perego.

Yes, there is a page missing in the Egmont/Gutenberghus reprint. I once
asked Marco (or was it Eta Beta?) to do a scan of the two first pages,
and I managed to find these. Take a look at

http://raptus.dk/tmp/2001_1.jpg

http://raptus.dk/tmp/2001_2.jpg

Perhaps the editors found the splash panel to be a bit too futuristic,
taking the story into account--it's not really a science-fiction story,
well at least in the soft or parodic end of the scale.

> The part where Doanld and the boys go back to the past, also looks
> a bit strange, so I suspect that something is edited away. Does
> someone know what really happened here?

The situation at this point of the story is rather nightmare like, but I
don't think anything was changed.

Søren

DON:

> I'll use my 2023 model Microsoft veeblefetzer to beam it directly into your
*********
> brains.

*No way!!!*

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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