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Fernando Ventura
John Lusting writted:
"(...)Van Horn does not (and probably never will have) Internet access so
I'm going
to be acting as his agent for this.(...)"

Er, why not? I'm not very familiar with the biography of him, but I didn't
understand the reason because he will NEVER have Internet access...

Hum, maybe it is off-topic....sorry! But I'm curious...

Fernando Ventura!
Arthur Faria Jr.
Hi, All!

There are two new Brazilian Fethry Duck stories
on the Web at:

http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/b_fethry/

B 830094 Purple Butterfly "To be a heroine wears out my beauty"

11 pages. Another Red Bat + Purple Butterfly story.

B 830174 Jungle Fethry "Too many kings for not much throne"

7 pages.

That's it. Tchau.
-- Arthur.
Kriton Kyrimis
> (He's the only other
> hoomin bean I know of who has a full set of Dell FOUR COLORs, #1-1354.)

... as all other existing sets are owned by Martians! :-)

(I apologize, but I just couldn't resist!!!)

> if I
> do get the correct uniform on my characters, there will probably only be
> three people on earth who will know it: me, Ruben, and whoever he calls in
> Panama.

I think that when this story gets published, we should all write the
publishers a letter, commending Don on his correct rendition of the
Panamanian soldiers' uniforms!

HARRY:

> Maybe you'll also make a list of the INaccurate details?

I thought that Don included such a list in his last posting. ;-)

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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"The chances of success were virtually impossible. With you to assist, the
chances may be reduced to *almost* virtually impossible."
-----
Kriton Kyrimis
F. A. ELLIOTT:

> As a fan of comics though I've been thinking "what
> stories" would be the best ones to smell? In this case
> what Disney stories?

How about "The Golden Fleecing" (parsnip pudding--yum!) or "The Mysterious
Stone Ray" (boiled cabbage, both regular and fumeless)?

> Had the money bin ever exceeded its capacity or the
> level on the gauge? Where would Scrooge put the extra
> money.

Well, Don has the events in "The Pied Piper of Duckburg" take place
in Scrooge's overflow bin.

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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"The chances of success were virtually impossible. With you to assist, the
chances may be reduced to *almost* virtually impossible."
-----
John Garvin
Rodney Bowcock said:
"In closing I feel almost as ridiculous and childish as those who make big
deals out of these things for even acknowledging that they posted these
malicious messages. I apologize if I put words in anyone's mouth by
writing this, but I think I speak for at least some members of this list
when I say "Enough already!!!""

I say poppycock! I assume you are talking about the recent thread that Mr. Rosa started when he off-handedly remarked that Barks constructed his stories a certain way, mainly without fantasy elements (I'm paraphrasing here for the sake of brevity, please no flames on
misquoting him!). This was responded to by Mr. van Eijmeren, myself and others. I certainly don't recall reading ANYTHING on the thread that was "ridiculous, childish, or malicious." Can you give me some examples?

As for making "big deals out of these things" I say, I LOVE it! Fer-crying-out-loud, we are talking about comic books here. We discuss Barks characters and stories as if they were real, we spend hours agonizing over the smallest minutia of a Rosa story. We debate, as
fan-boys, whether or not Barks "oeuvre" was reality based or fantasy based! My mother would smile indulgently at me if she knew that grown men were agonizing over such details written for stories that she read and tossed and forgot 50 years ago! You know why we do it?
It's fun.

These kinds of discussions are what make this list come alive. No offence, but I'm usually bored to tears with the usual "Can someone tell me if Fethry starred in the Bolivian Ducktootoo issue number 313 and can someone list all the issues in which he wore a red shirt"
that seems to predominate on this list. I say enough is NOT enough, already, we need more discussions about controversial subjects, not less.

Now, I don't agree with everything Mr. Rosa says (can I call you Don?), and in fact we have had disagreements on this list before. That does not mean that I don't respect him as a creator (I own and love all of his work and have read the Pertwilliby Papers long before
there was a Son of the Sun.) or a person (even though I've never met him, though I saw him wandering around the dealers room in San Diego last year.) In fact, when it comes to Barks, I disagree with many things Mr. Rosa says. But you know what? God bless him for being
on this list and donating his valuable time to a current generation of fan-boys. Thank him for being willing to argue with us, have discussions with us, put up with us, and in general, waste time with us "making big deals out of these things." I can only wonder what
directions Carl Barks career might have taken if he had had this kind of easy access to his fans WHILE he was working on his stories? In fact, here is a direct question for Mr. Rosa: What kind of impact, for better or ill, has your direct pipeline to fandom had on your
ability to create? What do you think would have happened had Barks been working in the same kind of environment, and not in a vaccume?

My closing thoughts on this thread: Daniel is correct in pointing out that Mr. Rosa's words and thoughts about Barks probably carry much more weight that ours. Daniel was incorrect for asking him to be careful about what he says. Don was NOT summing up Barks career in
two sentences (as Don pointed out), but he certainly has the right to, as do we all. We are not responsible for the weight that others attatch to our words. (Crank up our National Anthem here:) In America, we believe in the Freedom of Speech! Even though
polical-correctness is trying to put a damper on us, we Americans are a cantankerous, feisty bunch. Don't ask us to watch what we say. If anyone is offended by what I say, that is your problem, not mine. Offence is taken by the listener, not given by the speaker, all
questions of intent aside. Don has built a career around Barks work. I've met with Barks dozens of times, written aricles about him, and taken painting lessons from him. I'm not an expert anymore that Don is. Just a fanboy with opinions. And PLEASE do not start saying
IMO or IMHO, please. I KNOW it is your opinion. Anything you say or write is your opinion. EVEN if you think you are writing pure fact, more often that not, it is still just your opinion. You don't need to remind me of that at the beginning of every paragraph.

This thread was the most entertainment I had all week. I'm sure I speak for many list members when I say, keep it up. Please.
L.B. Coutu
Hi, I'm new to the list. Could someone *please* give
me an update on the current state of American Disney
comics? Disney was the company that got me hooked on
comics in general (I now collect DC and some indies),
and I miss them. In particular I'm missing new Don
Rosa works. I'm very annoyed that he describes them
to us but I can't see them. How much exactly have we
missed since Gladstone was closed? Sounds like
there's a lot of Rosa catching up to do!

Thanks, Louis.

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John Garvin
I checked out the "rules" for the list and could not find information on the
acceptability of commercial transactions on this list, though from the
apologetic nature of the last two I've seen, I'm guessing it's not approved
of. So this is just a quick note to let the list know that I've got some
duplicate comics and want to do some horse trading. Send me an email if you
are interested. I've got good reader copies of Donald Duck FC 318, 282, 408,
US FC 495 and US 287. I'm looking for many Don Rosa issues, including 293,
which I have somehow misplaced.
JALustig
I've been contacted by a mailing list member who says he checked out my eBay
auction for Van Horn artwork, but that he can't view the image of the artwork
I'd posted. I've e-mailed a copy of the graphic to him, but I'm wondering if
other people are having the same problem. This is the first time I've ever
tried to sell anything on eBay and I'm wondering if I've made a mistake
somehow in the way I did it. If you've looked at the auction listing, but
can't see the picture then please let me know (through private e-mail.) I'll
be happy to e-mail you a copy of the image. It's an 83k jpeg. I hope that
isn't too big. If so I can send a smaller version.

I do intend to post a couple of more pieces of Van Horn artwork (plus some of
my Last Kiss comic book artwork) on eBay in a couple of days, so I'd really
appreciate some feedback from people as to whether they can see the art in
the current eBay listing.

On a somewhat related, but different matter...

Fernando Ventura! wanted to know why I said that William Van Horn will
probably never have internet access. I spoke with Bill a few minutes ago
about this (by a wonderful, new invention called a "telephone.") After he
got through laughing, he said, "Tell him I'm 104 years old and I don't
believe in that stuff."

Actually, Bill's only 61. As to the real reason he's not on the
Internet...well, I don't really have an answer. Bill doesn't have a computer
or a fax machine--things that I couldn't get along without. He just doesn't
find them necessary.

I don't think Bill's afraid of technology or hates it. For instance, he's got
a DVD player and far more DVD's than I do. But that's something useful (from
his viewpoint) and it's fairly low tech in terms of usage. (His son, Noel,
hooked it up for him. But Noel doesn't have a computer or fax machine either.)

In part, I think Bill feels that computers are something he just doesn't need
to know about. In fact, he often finds it amusing when I'm having computer
problems and I end up wasting a great deal of time...on a device that was
invented to save people time.

I guess Bill would rather spend his time drawing and not waste it "saving
time" using a computer.

--John Lustig
Jakob Soederbaum
Don:

In last week's Kalle Anka & C:o appeared something I'd least expected: a "Don Rosa school scheme" (or shall it be translated callendar?). It's four pages of new Rosa-art (the first to have been seen in Sweden for ages!) with tables, questions and suggestions for the
average 10 year old pupil who is to begin school next week. What's the story behind this, Don? It doesn't seem like something you would *spontaneously* decide on doing. ;-) Did you do the lay-out and questions too? When did you do it, is it really new or is it something
that has been lying around for a while at Egmont?

Hoping you and everybody else here had a splendid summer (and you on the other side of the planet a splendid winter)!!! I had. :-)

See ya!
/Jakob Soederbaum
Eirik Jørgensen Sollie
I am new on this list and think it is about time I make myself heard. Let me
at once say: I am Norwegian, consequently English is my second language. So
please overlook the numerous grammatical, and orthographical, mistakes I am
bound to make.

I have not followed the discussions on the list previously. I have only had
a quick glance at the messages from August. It seems like there have been
some quarrel, or at least disagreement. Involving Don Rosa, Daniel van
Eijmeren as far as I can tell. Then people have reacted to this quarrel.
Some have found it ridiculous, others have expressed their pleasure about
it.

John Garvin obviously find the disagreement most entertaining. He claims
that such discussions make this list come alive. To a certain extent, I
agree with him. He really makes some valid points. Such a forum needs some
?temperature?, and controversial meanings. After all it is a forum for
discussion. One should not be to serious, or scientific about it. After all,
we are discussing comic books!

I also tends to disagree, though. What strikes me in the Rosa/Van Ejemeren
conversation is the focus on person. That is what makes the discussion seem
ridiculous, and has someone said: ?childlike?. What I think is most
important is: stick to the case. You could very well state your opinion, and
also use as many offensive words you like, as long as you talking about the
subject - which often is related to comic books!? After all, if you really
want to share your thoughts about human behaviour there should be a lot of
discussion list on psychology online
(I do have to agree with John Garvin,
though, the discussion really was entertaining)

Well, that was all for this time.

Eirik Sollie
F. A. Elliott
Note - The following is meant to clear up any
questions
one may have about (1) an interview I tapped with Mr.
Don Rosa on 8-3-00, which I'm making available to fans
at cost only, and (2) copies of Uncle Scrooge #219,
which I also made available at cost.

In the case of the "specific" interview and comic I'm
not making any profit - nor would I want to on or off
this list. Although, I'll admit the interview will
appear in a magazine, "The New Comic Reader," that
does pay contributers. I will make $25.00. That is the
price I suggested. Transcribing the interview is not
an east feat. The interview may also appear in
AlterEgo, which I don't think I'd be making any money
off of because they accept donations only. If anyone
disagrees with me making a profit from a fan
publica-tion I want to hear his or her opinion.

As a local access producer I do locally charge $5.00
to make copies of programs I produce, which is not
exactly at cost in those sitiuations but does help me
in purchasing future tapes to make dubs and helps in
paying for my labor in those cases.

In this case I wanted to put the interview in the
hands of fans like myself. I was very impressed with
the number of request I received outside of America -
More than 5 to 1. Many people were likewise impressed
with, as one put it, "...my selflessness." Then again,
I'm not perfect.

In retrospect I made a bad judgement call by not first
letting Mr. Don Rosa know about my plan. I hadn't
expected to do anything with the interview outside of
where I live at until I thought the internet might be
used as a tool to reach more fans.

Anyway, Mr. Rosa watched the finished product and said
it was ok. So now it's available, and will probably
stay available as long as there's an interest.

Last but not least I "think" I'm going to have some
bonus footage showing more of Mr. Don Rosa's studio. I
think this will basically consist of an entire room
sequence or a pan around the studio. I have a mystery
member to thank for this. It will fit in very well
with the numerous close-up shots that I personally
taped. Now, as for the information in general...

A postal clerk told me not to worry about my P.O Box
concerns and that things most likely wouldn't be sent
back. Anyway the title "O'Little Mouse Productions"
has now been added to my P.O. Box.

Interview On Tape (Still Available )

The following costs to me include tape, shipping, and
bubble lined envelope. I will try to send back any
change. So the total cost for those wanting a tape:

Europe - $6.50 regular or $7.50 for short wait airmail

Brazil - $6.50 regular or $7.00 for short wait airmail

America - $4.00 reg or $4.25 for short wait 1st class

Note - One can save $2.00 by sending me a bubble lined
envelope which would "fit" your VHS tape.

If you've requested a copy of the interview and aren't
included this means your price is the same as Europe.

Uncle Scrooge #219 ("All Copies Spoken For)

The following costs to me include comic, bag, 2
boards,
shipping, and envelope. I will try to send back any
change. So the total cost for those who "reserved" a
comic:

Europe - $3.00 regular or $3.75 for short wait airmail

South - $3.00 regular or $4.25 for short wait airmail
Australia

America - $2.75 reg or $3.00 for short wait 1st class

Note - One can save $1.00 by sending me an envelope
which would "fit" your comic.

Note 2 - Add the price of tape and comic together if
you're getting both because I'll be sending
them separately and "not" in same package .

If you've requested a copy of the comic and aren't
included this means your price is the same as Europe.

Please contact me if any of the above doesn't answer
your questions. Thanks to all who participated. God
bless.

F.A. Elliott
812-467-0278.

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The 'one' who has a finger on 'it'... scratches against the mahogany lining of a coffin crying, "I am Jonah! I am Jonah! Spit me back out so I may see and feel the light of day again." And, the levithan does not heed for it knows every great epic must come to an 'end.'
A tasty morsel known as... "understanding." (F.A. Elliott)

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Gameman150
I HAD PURCHASED TWO AIR PIRATE FUNNIES BACK IN THE LATE 60'S OR EARLY 70'S //
AT THIS TIME I AM NOT SURE WHAT ISSUES I HAVE BUT, I DO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT
COPIES OF AIR PIRATE FUNNIES/// WHAT I AM WONDERING IS WHAT WOULD BE THE
VALUE OF THESE AND HOW MUCH WOULD THEY BE WORTH TO A COLLECTOR
Dan Shane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eirik J?rgensen Sollie" <eirik.sollie at c2i.net>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 6:56 PM
Subject: Entertaining?

>
> I am new on this list and think it is about time I make myself heard. Let me
> at once say: I am Norwegian, consequently English is my second language. So
> please overlook the numerous grammatical, and orthographical, mistakes I am
> bound to make.
>

You needn't apologize to us Americans for your command of English. It has been pointed out to other Europeans, South Americans, etc., on this list many times that we residents of the USA usually have much poorer English skills than most of the "foreigners" who write us in their non-native tongue. You may certainly count yourself among their number.

I sometimes think one of the main reasons I subscribe to the DCML is so I can exchange pleasantries with folks who can use proper English for a change!

Dan Shane (. danshane at bellsouth.net )
Torch
Greetings fellow Disney Comics fans. I apologize for my extended absence,
but I've been overwhelmed by work, school, and then my mother's serious
illness which recently resulted in her death. During a happier moment
I contacted several of you with a fun post, but then things turned
worse for my mother.... Anyhow, I just finished catching up on most of
the DCML back mailouts and have found some comments that intrigued
me.

Some questions:

>>Fernando Ventura said (concerning a third talking bird):
In Brazil, the character act as a friend of Jos? Carioca, in some histories
made in the 70's by Renato Canini. Very interisting. He is called Amadeu in
Brazil.

Can you tell us/me more about Amadeu? He was not just Ellsworth or Bruto
on an extended visit with Jose was he? I know that this happens on some
occassions (such as Bequinho and others who have done the same). Do
you have any scans of him? What eventually happened to him (did he go
back to where ever he came from?).

Don Rosa mentioned his new "Three Cabelleros" tale featuring Don, Jose
and Panchito. In the message he gave Panchito a surname of "Pistoles"
which I loved!!!! Can anyone tell me the origin of that surname? Was it
originally created for Panchito back when the film "Three Cabelleros"
was being storyboarded, but just never made it to the actual film (much
like Jose's girlfriend Aurora never made it past the drawingboard
stage until she was named "Rosinha" in Brazilian comics), or did Mr.
Rosa invent the name of "Pistoles"? Either way, I like it. I'm extremely
sad that we may never get Don's "Three Cabelleros" tale here is the
USA! :-(

>>Favio (Thierry Fernand) said:
In the "Journal de Mickey" (France), Ellsworth is a real
star, and appears in hundreds of stories (litterally). He is
one of the main characters, together with Goofy and Mickey. A
superhero version was made a few years ago, but I think it
was abandoned.

Does anyone know how Ellsworth became a superhero (magic, supergoobers,
chemical potion, aliens, etc.)? Are any scans available of him in his costume?

Finally, Paolo shared a couple scenes from a comic he read:
http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?D+99156
"History re-Petes itself"
in which Pete is transformed into a child and Mickey attempts to re-raise
him properly. According to the INDUCKS file it was written by David
Gerstein (YAY!). Paolo suggested that the Pig-woman and pig-girl that
appear are Patricia Pigg and her daughter Peggy, but the INDUCKS says,
"nyx;Patricia Pigg". What does that mean? Is it NOT Patricia? If it *is*
Patricia, does anyone know what Patricia & Percy's son's name is?
Two related questions: On Pete's nursery wall are several posters. There
is a picture of two early Disney characters: Oswald the Lucky Rabbit and
Julius the Cat. Who is the Fish-like character? Is he a Disney character
or something else entirely (maybe a Dr. Seuss character?). Also, who is
the weasel-like jailmate in the cell with Pete and Shyster at the end?

Thank you for any insight on these queries,

Rich Bellacera
xephyr at jps.net
Rfichte
jgarvin:

>My closing thoughts on this thread: Daniel is correct in pointing out
>that Mr. Rosa's words and thoughts about Barks probably carry much
more
>weight that ours. Daniel was incorrect for asking him to be careful
>about what he says. Don was NOT summing up Barks career in
>two sentences (as Don pointed out), but he certainly has the right to,
>as do we all. We are not responsible for the weight that others
attatch
>to our words. (Crank up our National Anthem here:) In America, we
>believe in the Freedom of Speech! Even though polical-correctness is
>trying to put a damper on us, we Americans are a cantankerous, feisty
>bunch. Don't ask us to watch what we say. If anyone is offended by
>what I say, that is your problem, not mine. Offence is taken by the
>listener, not given by the listener

That's obviously true. Don't believe the nitpickers on this list. There
was absolutely nothing wrong in Don and other's messages for us
Europeans. I loved the discussion about Barks' real & fantasy world.
Only the discussion about wordings was boring.

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