Kenneth:
>As we all know he lives in the USA as his creator made him, but if the
>Europeans want to think he is from some where else I think that is fine.
>But they must learn to accept that the Scrooge they like is not the same
>one
>that Carl Barks created.
I think Barks' version, which is original, must be appreciated and
respected. That doesn't prevent other creators to do different
"interpretations" and that's OK.
But still, Barks clearly depicts in his comics that Duckburg is in USA.
Based on reference made by Barks, some fans, like Ken Bausert have depicted
the location of Duckburg quite accurately. I think Don Rosa have used these
as a base to draw a map, which is shown in Life & Times of SMcD part X (10).
By following some clues in stories like WDC 49 and Terror of the River FC
108 (among others) it's quite easy to pinpoint Duckburg approximately. (I
think some translations of these stories doesn't mention Niagara or Ohio.)
On the other hand, In Maharajah Donald (March of Comics 4 - 1947) we learn
to know that Donald Duck lives in Burbank. Near the Disney studios I guess.
In quite recent Egmont-produced story D 2001-085 we see Scrooge leaving off
to Alpistan. He's going there to change his money to euros.
"I've been exchanging currencies! Nearly all EC-countries have this hustle
going on. In addition of changing the money in the Bin I have traveled
around the Europe changing the cash I have there into euros."
H,D&L are coming with Scrooge.
We don't see them going to the plane, they hop in a car and drive to
Alpistan, just like that. This country looks very much like Switzerland.
Short drive away from Duckburg!
This reminded me very old Italian story made in 1938. Actually second long
Donald Duck adventure story ever. Paolino Paperino Inviato Speciale (I PG
19-A). Donald gets a job as a newspapers special correspondent and he is
sent to Selvania to write about conflict between Selvania and Marinzia.
Countries looks like some minor European states, which could be near Italy.
(I wonder if there is also something in this story that was topical at the
moment, it was 1938!). Well, Duckburg wasn't even invented yet. I wonder
where the writer/artist of this story Federico Pedrocchi thought the Ducks
were living...?
Best
Timo
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Timo Ronkainen
Scrooge's Home
Message 151 -
2002-01-17 at 21:12:46
Mika Halsvaha
Once more about the colour
Message 152 -
2002-01-17 at 21:43:02
Hello everyone,
I have been reading this list for quite some time, but never had time to
write anything myself. However the issue of Coin Colour is so concerning
that I must take action... This may be old news, since I don't read
every issue that carefully.
As a Finnish reader I have used to seeing coins in the bin coloured
yellow. There have been quite a few arguments about why yellow colour is
better, and I think that plain aesthetics is one good reason. Ok, Barks
didn't worry about colouring of the comics, but he did make a number of
oil paintings. All those paintings that I remember show us huge piles of
(mainly) yellow/gold coloured coins inside the bin. The reason for this
- I think - is plainly that silvery/white coins do not look as good. Of
course next someone points that: "Paintings have nothing to do with the
stories. They were a hobby of Barks, and that he used different duck
universe etc." That view may be accurate, and of course there are a
number of other artists that may have a totally different opinion. But
since Barks is considered to be such an authority, I'd bring this point
up.
Actually I don't even try to defend certain coloured coins. I think that
the question is not that relevant. I just wanted to bring up another
fact to the conversation, so you can continue discussing matter even
more. Most interesting point was made by Paulo Barrez. He wrote that
Barks didn't pay that much attention to continuous "Duck universe"
(actually I'm beginning to dislike that term). One good example is the
story "The Lemming with the Locket". In that story lemming jumps out of
Money Bin window. Normally, that action would have produced a very
Ex-lemming. Barks was not able to use another animal (bird, for
example); the story relied too much on characteristics of lemmings. So
he simply drew some sort of office building in front of the bin that was
newer to be seen again on any other story. Lemming Jumped out of a first
floor window, and led the Ducks into another great adventure.
I think that one of the greatest characteristic of barks stories is that
there is not too much irrelevant continuity between them. He was able to
use every ounce of his imagination, without too much concerning "Did the
Bin have windows on this side or that side etc." The stories aren't a
serial story, each is unique, and every detail (that Barks stories have
a lot) serves some purpose on that particular story.
Mika Halsvaha
I have been reading this list for quite some time, but never had time to
write anything myself. However the issue of Coin Colour is so concerning
that I must take action... This may be old news, since I don't read
every issue that carefully.
As a Finnish reader I have used to seeing coins in the bin coloured
yellow. There have been quite a few arguments about why yellow colour is
better, and I think that plain aesthetics is one good reason. Ok, Barks
didn't worry about colouring of the comics, but he did make a number of
oil paintings. All those paintings that I remember show us huge piles of
(mainly) yellow/gold coloured coins inside the bin. The reason for this
- I think - is plainly that silvery/white coins do not look as good. Of
course next someone points that: "Paintings have nothing to do with the
stories. They were a hobby of Barks, and that he used different duck
universe etc." That view may be accurate, and of course there are a
number of other artists that may have a totally different opinion. But
since Barks is considered to be such an authority, I'd bring this point
up.
Actually I don't even try to defend certain coloured coins. I think that
the question is not that relevant. I just wanted to bring up another
fact to the conversation, so you can continue discussing matter even
more. Most interesting point was made by Paulo Barrez. He wrote that
Barks didn't pay that much attention to continuous "Duck universe"
(actually I'm beginning to dislike that term). One good example is the
story "The Lemming with the Locket". In that story lemming jumps out of
Money Bin window. Normally, that action would have produced a very
Ex-lemming. Barks was not able to use another animal (bird, for
example); the story relied too much on characteristics of lemmings. So
he simply drew some sort of office building in front of the bin that was
newer to be seen again on any other story. Lemming Jumped out of a first
floor window, and led the Ducks into another great adventure.
I think that one of the greatest characteristic of barks stories is that
there is not too much irrelevant continuity between them. He was able to
use every ounce of his imagination, without too much concerning "Did the
Bin have windows on this side or that side etc." The stories aren't a
serial story, each is unique, and every detail (that Barks stories have
a lot) serves some purpose on that particular story.
Mika Halsvaha
Fluks, H.W.
Disney Licensee
Message 153 -
2002-01-17 at 22:29:36
Fernando:
H> That's Disney's fault, and the fault of the creators who
H> agreed to work for
H> Disney, or a Disney licensee. They agreed to be anonymous,
H> and to lose all rights over their creations.
> And I don't agree with you, Harry! :)
That's probably a difference in the meaning of the word "agree".
Rob Klein already addressed this issue.
> Wasn't Romano Scarpa into a tribunal 'cause
> he wants his original pages back to him? And what's the
> result? OF COURSE Disney didn't returned it...
The thing is that every publisher does this differently. The Dutch licencee
(Sanoma) and Egmont in Denmark *do* return original artwork. In fact, a
Spanish studio begged the Dutch editor to *not* return the original
artwork...
--Harry.
H> That's Disney's fault, and the fault of the creators who
H> agreed to work for
H> Disney, or a Disney licensee. They agreed to be anonymous,
H> and to lose all rights over their creations.
> And I don't agree with you, Harry! :)
That's probably a difference in the meaning of the word "agree".
Rob Klein already addressed this issue.
> Wasn't Romano Scarpa into a tribunal 'cause
> he wants his original pages back to him? And what's the
> result? OF COURSE Disney didn't returned it...
The thing is that every publisher does this differently. The Dutch licencee
(Sanoma) and Egmont in Denmark *do* return original artwork. In fact, a
Spanish studio begged the Dutch editor to *not* return the original
artwork...
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Languages
Message 154 -
2002-01-17 at 22:30:45
Olivier:
> Uncle Scrooge on the other hand can speak many languages. I
> can't remember exactly which--
He can read a bit of Dutch. He learned that when he sold wind to the wind
millers along the Zuyder Zee.
--Harry.
> Uncle Scrooge on the other hand can speak many languages. I
> can't remember exactly which--
He can read a bit of Dutch. He learned that when he sold wind to the wind
millers along the Zuyder Zee.
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
D.O.S.T.
Message 155 -
2002-01-17 at 22:34:32
Favio:
> > I have the opposite experience: *many* Disney comics
> > editors are also Disney comics freaks!
>
> That's because *you* only get in touch with the ones
> interested in Disney Comics.
"Only"? I am or have been in touch with editors in Holland, Germany,
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Italy, Portugal, and the USA. Other people on DCML
have been in touch with editors in Greece and France. We all met people who
are very interested in Disney comics.
So if you find uninterested people (maybe in Brazil?), I do hope they are a
minority.
--Harry
(brag brag...)
> > I have the opposite experience: *many* Disney comics
> > editors are also Disney comics freaks!
>
> That's because *you* only get in touch with the ones
> interested in Disney Comics.
"Only"? I am or have been in touch with editors in Holland, Germany,
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Italy, Portugal, and the USA. Other people on DCML
have been in touch with editors in Greece and France. We all met people who
are very interested in Disney comics.
So if you find uninterested people (maybe in Brazil?), I do hope they are a
minority.
--Harry
(brag brag...)
Francesco Spreafico
Disney Licensee
Message 156 -
2002-01-17 at 22:51:18
From: "Fernando Ventura" <fernandopventura at uol.com.br>
> he wants his original pages back to him? And what's the result? OFF COURSE
> Disney didn't returned it...
Yes, "of course" they didn't.
*BUT*, this happened in 1988, now, that same trial would have very likely
ended completely differently.
Still, *that* trial, not another, because since then contracts were changed
to what they are now (leaving nothing to the author).
Or so I seem to remember to have read on the book "Casa Disney", a little
booklet about Disney rights in comics. (Maybe I remember wrong)
> and why Scarpa continues to do work for
> Disney? 'Cause he loves his work and the characters he's working with,
> beside the fact that they are "Disney" characters!!!
Well, actually he'd sued Mondadori, not Disney itself, and 1988 was the year
in which Mondadori stopped publishing Disney comics :-)
--
Sprea
> he wants his original pages back to him? And what's the result? OFF COURSE
> Disney didn't returned it...
Yes, "of course" they didn't.
*BUT*, this happened in 1988, now, that same trial would have very likely
ended completely differently.
Still, *that* trial, not another, because since then contracts were changed
to what they are now (leaving nothing to the author).
Or so I seem to remember to have read on the book "Casa Disney", a little
booklet about Disney rights in comics. (Maybe I remember wrong)
> and why Scarpa continues to do work for
> Disney? 'Cause he loves his work and the characters he's working with,
> beside the fact that they are "Disney" characters!!!
Well, actually he'd sued Mondadori, not Disney itself, and 1988 was the year
in which Mondadori stopped publishing Disney comics :-)
--
Sprea
Søren Krarup Olesen
What's right and what's not
Message 157 -
2002-01-17 at 23:50:49
I have followed this discussion quite closely, and it looks similar to
many debates we've had ealier on this mailing list. What should the
colour of money be, where is Duckburg situated etc.
Now, frankly speaking, are such questions really important in order to
appreciate and love Disney comics? How come, apparently, that a story
may fall apart (or considered inappropriate) just because Scrooge's
money bin just for once isn't placed on Killmotor Hill. Who cares--as
long as it fits the story. I fully agree with Morten on these matters!
All this attempt to focus on accuracy. C'mon, Disney comics aren't black
and white in any sense. Is Donald's shirt blue or black? Well, it
depends; on covers he wears a blue shirt, in most stories it's black, so
the question whether "Donald has a blue or black shirt" is basically
meaningless. His shirt is both!
In fact, that's what I like most about Disney comics, they are so
amasingly flexible and one never runs out of surprices or new
interpretations of our beloved characters...mice or ducks.
The only thing that really bothers me is when someone claims that they
are closer to the "true fact", the so-called "original" and stick to
that, not for sake of making good Disney comics but for the sake of
being original only. I don't know who invented the wheel, but if those
who did suddenly claimed that this was the best wheel ever made, and
that everybody in ze world should follow that example, then...well, the
American automobile industry would certainly look different then...
Translators are necessary for the kids to understand the stuff being
published in whatever country, and mostly they really do a creative
job--a hard task as it may be. If some story loses its integrity or
meaning just because some bank notes had the wrong colour, or a gag
wasn't literally translated then such a story would not be a part of the
open and varying "duck world" that I've enjoyed for some twenty years.
So my message is plain and simple: Don't bother with consistancy and
details, Disney comics wasn't meant for that in the first place!
Greetings,
S?ren
many debates we've had ealier on this mailing list. What should the
colour of money be, where is Duckburg situated etc.
Now, frankly speaking, are such questions really important in order to
appreciate and love Disney comics? How come, apparently, that a story
may fall apart (or considered inappropriate) just because Scrooge's
money bin just for once isn't placed on Killmotor Hill. Who cares--as
long as it fits the story. I fully agree with Morten on these matters!
All this attempt to focus on accuracy. C'mon, Disney comics aren't black
and white in any sense. Is Donald's shirt blue or black? Well, it
depends; on covers he wears a blue shirt, in most stories it's black, so
the question whether "Donald has a blue or black shirt" is basically
meaningless. His shirt is both!
In fact, that's what I like most about Disney comics, they are so
amasingly flexible and one never runs out of surprices or new
interpretations of our beloved characters...mice or ducks.
The only thing that really bothers me is when someone claims that they
are closer to the "true fact", the so-called "original" and stick to
that, not for sake of making good Disney comics but for the sake of
being original only. I don't know who invented the wheel, but if those
who did suddenly claimed that this was the best wheel ever made, and
that everybody in ze world should follow that example, then...well, the
American automobile industry would certainly look different then...
Translators are necessary for the kids to understand the stuff being
published in whatever country, and mostly they really do a creative
job--a hard task as it may be. If some story loses its integrity or
meaning just because some bank notes had the wrong colour, or a gag
wasn't literally translated then such a story would not be a part of the
open and varying "duck world" that I've enjoyed for some twenty years.
So my message is plain and simple: Don't bother with consistancy and
details, Disney comics wasn't meant for that in the first place!
Greetings,
S?ren
Fernando Ventura
Uninterested editor
Message 158 -
2002-01-18 at 00:21:55
Harry:
>I am or have been in touch with editors in Holland, Germany,
>Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Italy, Portugal, and the USA. Other people on DCML
>have been in touch with editors in Greece and France. We all met people who
>are very interested in Disney comics.
>So if you find uninterested people (maybe in Brazil?), I do hope they are a
>minority.
Unfortunatelly, since Chin was out from Editora Abril, this sentende is
right, Brazil was probably the only place that the actual Disney editor
doesn't care for Disney Comics...
Bu?????! :(
Fernando...
>I am or have been in touch with editors in Holland, Germany,
>Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Italy, Portugal, and the USA. Other people on DCML
>have been in touch with editors in Greece and France. We all met people who
>are very interested in Disney comics.
>So if you find uninterested people (maybe in Brazil?), I do hope they are a
>minority.
Unfortunatelly, since Chin was out from Editora Abril, this sentende is
right, Brazil was probably the only place that the actual Disney editor
doesn't care for Disney Comics...
Bu?????! :(
Fernando...
Don Rosa
DCML digest #806
Message 159 -
2002-01-18 at 01:35:39
From: bi442 at lafn.org Rob Klein
>>>>Some writers and artists have used "Elvira" for her Christian name. I do
not
believe Barks gave her a name.
I first resurrected that name in my Duck Family Tree as part of the creation
of my "Lo$". It is the name used for Grandma in an obscure old issue of
WDC&S in the back-up feature (not the main DD story) where we see her
looking in a photo album of her baby pictures (labeled "Elviry", the rural
pronunciation of Elvira). If you say other people are now following that
resurrected name, that's nice.
From: per-christian.bjelke at telenor.com
>>>>it really annoyes me
tremendously when the stories are badly (or wrongly) colored. Reading Rosa
stories last night I noticed that the hair-bundle in Scrooges coffin (from
his "favourite dog" ;-) had a blue ribbon, while it was referred to as red
in the text. In another story the sky was colored light blue even though it
was clearly night (just lit by lightning). I feel that these things ruins my
experience of the story.
Mine, too!!!
From: Tommi Perkola <matope at uta.fi>
>>>>However AA was very popular here in Finland, partly
because people remembered the good old Barkses and Murrys,
Okay....
>>>Then came Rosa, kaboom! Duckfans in Finland went
completely nuts, and AA:s prestice began to rise again. Rosa saved AA.
I don't know if that's true, but okay...
>>>Rosa began to draw ...something that will fill the gaps in history
of family Duck. For our surprise, this history was based solely on
Barks' stories,
AA no more supports the older view of Duck universum. Boohoo ;-)
So, read the above and tell me that you are not directly contradicting
yourself. AA readers love the old stories... Don Rosa returns to the truths
of the old stories... AA supports Don Rosa's stories.... "AA no more
supports the older view of Duck universum." ??? This is why I can't follow
any of the logic in your messages. Sorry!
>>>>Some writers and artists have used "Elvira" for her Christian name. I do
not
believe Barks gave her a name.
I first resurrected that name in my Duck Family Tree as part of the creation
of my "Lo$". It is the name used for Grandma in an obscure old issue of
WDC&S in the back-up feature (not the main DD story) where we see her
looking in a photo album of her baby pictures (labeled "Elviry", the rural
pronunciation of Elvira). If you say other people are now following that
resurrected name, that's nice.
From: per-christian.bjelke at telenor.com
>>>>it really annoyes me
tremendously when the stories are badly (or wrongly) colored. Reading Rosa
stories last night I noticed that the hair-bundle in Scrooges coffin (from
his "favourite dog" ;-) had a blue ribbon, while it was referred to as red
in the text. In another story the sky was colored light blue even though it
was clearly night (just lit by lightning). I feel that these things ruins my
experience of the story.
Mine, too!!!
From: Tommi Perkola <matope at uta.fi>
>>>>However AA was very popular here in Finland, partly
because people remembered the good old Barkses and Murrys,
Okay....
>>>Then came Rosa, kaboom! Duckfans in Finland went
completely nuts, and AA:s prestice began to rise again. Rosa saved AA.
I don't know if that's true, but okay...
>>>Rosa began to draw ...something that will fill the gaps in history
of family Duck. For our surprise, this history was based solely on
Barks' stories,
AA no more supports the older view of Duck universum. Boohoo ;-)
So, read the above and tell me that you are not directly contradicting
yourself. AA readers love the old stories... Don Rosa returns to the truths
of the old stories... AA supports Don Rosa's stories.... "AA no more
supports the older view of Duck universum." ??? This is why I can't follow
any of the logic in your messages. Sorry!
Rob Klein
Euro-Disney comics Rennaisance
Message 160 -
2002-01-18 at 04:16:00
I want to point out that Italian Disney comics were not the only high-quality
European new comic productions in the 1970s and 1980s. Oberon's (Dutch
Disney's) stories drawn by Daan Jippes, Freddy Milton, Ben Verhagen, Jan
Gulbransson, Michel Nadorp, Volker Reiche, Marc deJonge, Jules Coenen,Mau
Heymans and others set a very high quality standard. Also, I believe Egmont
produced a fair amount of high-quality stories in the 1970s - and certainly in
the 1980s. The latter may not have been a high percentage of all produced, but
their sheer volume of production ensured many decent, worthwhile stories.
Burbank may be a real city in California, but Donald's and Scrooge's only
connection with California were a few short visits as vacationing tourists.
Barks' Burbank, Glendale and corner of Wilshire and Vermont were NOT in
Southern California and the Los Angeles Area! They were in CALISOTA!!!-and the
DUCKBURG regional area! Barks never mentioned the Ducks living in California.
Burbank and Glendale were either suburbs of Duckburg, or small towns in Duck
County, or nearby Squawbunion, Webfoot, Squash or Goose Egg Counties!
Shelly is interested in finding out if there is any English language
publication of Egmont produced Disney comics. Can David G., Joakim, or any
other DCML member furnish any information?
European new comic productions in the 1970s and 1980s. Oberon's (Dutch
Disney's) stories drawn by Daan Jippes, Freddy Milton, Ben Verhagen, Jan
Gulbransson, Michel Nadorp, Volker Reiche, Marc deJonge, Jules Coenen,Mau
Heymans and others set a very high quality standard. Also, I believe Egmont
produced a fair amount of high-quality stories in the 1970s - and certainly in
the 1980s. The latter may not have been a high percentage of all produced, but
their sheer volume of production ensured many decent, worthwhile stories.
Burbank may be a real city in California, but Donald's and Scrooge's only
connection with California were a few short visits as vacationing tourists.
Barks' Burbank, Glendale and corner of Wilshire and Vermont were NOT in
Southern California and the Los Angeles Area! They were in CALISOTA!!!-and the
DUCKBURG regional area! Barks never mentioned the Ducks living in California.
Burbank and Glendale were either suburbs of Duckburg, or small towns in Duck
County, or nearby Squawbunion, Webfoot, Squash or Goose Egg Counties!
Shelly is interested in finding out if there is any English language
publication of Egmont produced Disney comics. Can David G., Joakim, or any
other DCML member furnish any information?
Kriton Kyrimis
Languages
Message 161 -
2002-01-18 at 09:29:47
KJELL:
> If not, take a look at
> http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/country.php/0/gr
>
> and please, tell us want you think about it!
I just had a look and, suffice it to say that these pages need a lot of
work, and I don't meen the addition of more indexing data. :(
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I am not a student of human nature. I am a professor of a far wider academy,
of which human nature is merely a part."
-----
> If not, take a look at
> http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/country.php/0/gr
>
> and please, tell us want you think about it!
I just had a look and, suffice it to say that these pages need a lot of
work, and I don't meen the addition of more indexing data. :(
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I am not a student of human nature. I am a professor of a far wider academy,
of which human nature is merely a part."
-----
Kriton Kyrimis
Languages
Message 162 -
2002-01-18 at 09:29:47
KJELL:
> If not, take a look at
> http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/country.php/0/gr
>
> and please, tell us want you think about it!
I just had a look and, suffice it to say that these pages need a lot of
work, and I don't meen the addition of more indexing data. :(
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I am not a student of human nature. I am a professor of a far wider academy,
of which human nature is merely a part."
-----
> If not, take a look at
> http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/country.php/0/gr
>
> and please, tell us want you think about it!
I just had a look and, suffice it to say that these pages need a lot of
work, and I don't meen the addition of more indexing data. :(
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I am not a student of human nature. I am a professor of a far wider academy,
of which human nature is merely a part."
-----
Fluks, H.W.
What's right and what's not
Message 163 -
2002-01-18 at 10:57:27
S?ren:
> So my message is plain and simple: Don't bother with consistancy and
> details, Disney comics wasn't meant for that in the first place!
I think the truth is in the middle (as often is the case). We certainly need
*some* consistency. I wouldn't accept a story where Donald is rich and has
no temper (that is, without any explanation in the story).
So maybe your statement can be rephrased as: "Don't bother with consistancy
*of* details." 8-)
--Harry.
> So my message is plain and simple: Don't bother with consistancy and
> details, Disney comics wasn't meant for that in the first place!
I think the truth is in the middle (as often is the case). We certainly need
*some* consistency. I wouldn't accept a story where Donald is rich and has
no temper (that is, without any explanation in the story).
So maybe your statement can be rephrased as: "Don't bother with consistancy
*of* details." 8-)
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Translation example
Message 164 -
2002-01-18 at 11:01:42
L. Schulte:
> A cowboy asks him at the same time for a
> donation to a party for "cowboys who can't yodel". In German
> the cowboy asks for a donation for the "Small Animal Breeders
> Society" (Kleintierz?chterverein), a word that I assume seems
> fairly ridiculous in German, but is not on the same level as
> "cowboys who can't yodel" (Cowboys, die nicht jodeln k?nnen).
I think your point was that the German texts were *better* ("more
literary"). Is that is so, I don't understand this example. The
Kleintierz?chterverein does not sound funny to me (I do know some German),
while the non-yodeling cowboys are hilarious.
--Harry.
(Dutch: "Bejaarde [= old timer] cowboys die niet kunnen jodelen")
> A cowboy asks him at the same time for a
> donation to a party for "cowboys who can't yodel". In German
> the cowboy asks for a donation for the "Small Animal Breeders
> Society" (Kleintierz?chterverein), a word that I assume seems
> fairly ridiculous in German, but is not on the same level as
> "cowboys who can't yodel" (Cowboys, die nicht jodeln k?nnen).
I think your point was that the German texts were *better* ("more
literary"). Is that is so, I don't understand this example. The
Kleintierz?chterverein does not sound funny to me (I do know some German),
while the non-yodeling cowboys are hilarious.
--Harry.
(Dutch: "Bejaarde [= old timer] cowboys die niet kunnen jodelen")
Fluks, H.W.
"Needless and irritating details"
Message 165 -
2002-01-18 at 11:07:24
Per Christian to Paulo:
> >Don Rosa in my opinion is the exact opposite of Barks
> >in this respect. His later stories give too much
> >importance (still again IMO) on the Ducks' history,
> >settings and so on. The stories are good, but they
> >come with extremely long explanations of everything in
> >the Duck family, Duckburg. The stories suffer of this.
>
> That is the exact opposite of my opinion. It is the details
> and explanations
> that makes Dons stories appealing to me.
The details and explanations are a very nice extra. But they should be not
more than that: an extra for the reader who appreciates them. One should be
able to read and enjoy a story without having to go through all the details.
Don is sometimes going too far w.r.t. that, IMO.
--Harry.
(Who recently learned something about crusaders by reading half a Rosa
story...)
> >Don Rosa in my opinion is the exact opposite of Barks
> >in this respect. His later stories give too much
> >importance (still again IMO) on the Ducks' history,
> >settings and so on. The stories are good, but they
> >come with extremely long explanations of everything in
> >the Duck family, Duckburg. The stories suffer of this.
>
> That is the exact opposite of my opinion. It is the details
> and explanations
> that makes Dons stories appealing to me.
The details and explanations are a very nice extra. But they should be not
more than that: an extra for the reader who appreciates them. One should be
able to read and enjoy a story without having to go through all the details.
Don is sometimes going too far w.r.t. that, IMO.
--Harry.
(Who recently learned something about crusaders by reading half a Rosa
story...)