Simo Malinen:
> If looking at those "high quality Dutch stories" I think some
> of them are
> aimed especially for the more grown up readers. Occasionally there is
> so exaggerated violence that it could be too upsetting for the younger
> readers. What you think about these?:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/gearlost/tmp/h82035.jpg
> http://www.geocities.com/gearlost/tmp/h93066.jpg
> http://www.geocities.com/gearlost/tmp/h78dd04a.jpg
I can't help it: these are some examples of the very good stories, and
mostly good artwork, from the Dutch producktion.
They are not more violent than the Barks stories that inspired them.
> Italian Giuseppe Perego draw many stories still in the 1970's. We know
> his quality. The styles of artists such as Franco Lostaffa,
> Guido Scala or
> Sergio Asteriti aren't fascinating everyone. In the 80's
> cheap studios like
> Bargada and Comicup started to produce lots Italian stories.
> How about the quality there?
Pujol is a very good studio artist. And so is Bernado (most of the times).
To mention just a random two. The "cheapness" of these studios is only due
to their geographical location (Spain is cheaper than Holland).
> Same goes with Dutch stories too. I placed some other scanned
> samples here:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/gearlost/011.htm
Only one studio artist there (Prodima). The others are all good to very good
artists!
> In some cases I can't tell these high-quality Dutch panels
> from the S coded
> junk stories drawn by Jaime Diaz Studios in the 80's.
Maybe you're not looking close enough?
Naah, I think it's a matter of taste. And partly a matter of which stories
you saw first. We can discuss that ad infinitum.
(Though I haven't seen that much Diaz stories from the 80s...)
> Besides some of those Dutch artists you listed have not drawn Disney
> stories for years or decades (Reiche, Coenen, de Jonge)
By coicidence: Coenen has started inking again.
> "Spanish Studios" are drawing a quite high number of Dutch
> stories nowadays
> apparently by those very high Dutch quality standards?
Why should all the Dutch stories have the same quality? Lots of Dutch work
is junk. But also lots of stories are very good.
> - Simo (a fan of Danish Disney stories)
You mean *all* Danish stories? Rydahl as well as Vicar, and Milton, and
Tello, and Jippes, and Rosa?
Naah, you must mean a specific subset of Danish stories.
--Harry.
(a fan of good Disney comic stories)
Author
Topic: 200201
(286 messages)
Fluks, H.W.
H-stories (Disney comic stories for the young/adult readers o
Message 196 -
2002-01-21 at 21:19:50
Francesco Spreafico
Disney comic stories for the young/adult readers only?
Message 197 -
2002-01-21 at 21:34:15
From: "Simo Malinen" <malines24 at hotmail.com>
> Bah. I just want to point out that no matter how high we think the quality
> standards are/were with some Disney comic producers. Almost every story
> looks very poor if compared to Carl Barks's work.
Well, not really. No Gottfredson's nor Scarpa's story looks poor to me
compared to Barks' work. For me these three are just at the very same
artistic level.
--
Sprea
> Bah. I just want to point out that no matter how high we think the quality
> standards are/were with some Disney comic producers. Almost every story
> looks very poor if compared to Carl Barks's work.
Well, not really. No Gottfredson's nor Scarpa's story looks poor to me
compared to Barks' work. For me these three are just at the very same
artistic level.
--
Sprea
Rodney W Bowcock Jr.
Young adults or younger readers.....
Message 198 -
2002-01-22 at 01:24:54
As a 23 year old reader, who hasn't posted to the digest in quite some
time, I can say that I personally am only interested in the sorts of
stories that Barks, Rosa, Van Horn and Scarpa have done and are doing.
That said, I do feel that there is a place for stories of all sorts.
Different styles of stories are for different people. I don't have much
interest in any stories that I can quickly read/scan through. I love
Rosa stories because they are so indepth and require so much effort and
attention to read.
rodney.
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time, I can say that I personally am only interested in the sorts of
stories that Barks, Rosa, Van Horn and Scarpa have done and are doing.
That said, I do feel that there is a place for stories of all sorts.
Different styles of stories are for different people. I don't have much
interest in any stories that I can quickly read/scan through. I love
Rosa stories because they are so indepth and require so much effort and
attention to read.
rodney.
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Disney comic stories for the young/adult readers only?
Message 199 -
2002-01-22 at 08:32:44
Said site
>http://www.acadlib.lv/~aivars/pic/comics/
Had to be removed due the enormous traffic leap.
Great 'thanks' to those who spread info about it,
without asking permission...
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Had to be removed due the enormous traffic leap.
Great 'thanks' to those who spread info about it,
without asking permission...
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Latvian Academic Library mailto:aliepa at lib.acadlib.lv
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Ari Seppi
What if...
Message 200 -
2002-01-22 at 11:47:00
Christopher:
An interesting (if somewhat theoretical :-) ) question.
> how would you as
> a Disney comics fan or creator feel if the Walt Disney Company,
> in an attempt to create a more cohesive and "logical" universe,
> [...] came up with guidelines that standardized some (or all!)
> of the very things that have been discussed and required the
> licensees to follow them?
Hmm... that naturally depends.
I like different kinds of stories, and there are only few
stories I really dislike. Standardized guidelines might
(depending on the scale of the chages and how near or far the
guidelines were from today's producers' guidelines) mean the
end of some of the story types I like.
> What if they officially
> established Duckburg's location? What if they defined the color,
> nature and origin of the money in Scrooge's bin? What if they
> established an official historical chronology? What if this was
> all based on the works of Carl Barks and, by extension, Don Rosa?
All based on the works on Carl Barks meaning that there are,
for example, no Italian characters? Or just some historical
detail and coloring reform? The first would be a catastrophe,
the latter wouldn't mean that much since only a small
portion of today's good story types rely heavily on geographical
location or anti-Barksistic history. (There might be some good
stories I forgot.)
> What if they began an extensive effort to retell all previously
> published stories, revising them so that they adhere to this new
> Disney Comics Bible?
So not just new guidelines, but also revision of earlier
stories?
By the time they started to revise inconsistent Barks stories
they'd have so many enraged fans hunting for them with axes
that they had to stop.
> Do you think the average Disney
> comics reader would notice any difference and, if they did, would
> they care?
Probably not very fast (except for the changes in coloring).
After some time some people might notice the lack of some
type of stories they liked (if the reform was that strict).
--
Ari Seppi (mani at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
Eritt?in fanaattinen Potter-kirjojen ja Disney-sarjakuvien palvoja
An interesting (if somewhat theoretical :-) ) question.
> how would you as
> a Disney comics fan or creator feel if the Walt Disney Company,
> in an attempt to create a more cohesive and "logical" universe,
> [...] came up with guidelines that standardized some (or all!)
> of the very things that have been discussed and required the
> licensees to follow them?
Hmm... that naturally depends.
I like different kinds of stories, and there are only few
stories I really dislike. Standardized guidelines might
(depending on the scale of the chages and how near or far the
guidelines were from today's producers' guidelines) mean the
end of some of the story types I like.
> What if they officially
> established Duckburg's location? What if they defined the color,
> nature and origin of the money in Scrooge's bin? What if they
> established an official historical chronology? What if this was
> all based on the works of Carl Barks and, by extension, Don Rosa?
All based on the works on Carl Barks meaning that there are,
for example, no Italian characters? Or just some historical
detail and coloring reform? The first would be a catastrophe,
the latter wouldn't mean that much since only a small
portion of today's good story types rely heavily on geographical
location or anti-Barksistic history. (There might be some good
stories I forgot.)
> What if they began an extensive effort to retell all previously
> published stories, revising them so that they adhere to this new
> Disney Comics Bible?
So not just new guidelines, but also revision of earlier
stories?
By the time they started to revise inconsistent Barks stories
they'd have so many enraged fans hunting for them with axes
that they had to stop.
> Do you think the average Disney
> comics reader would notice any difference and, if they did, would
> they care?
Probably not very fast (except for the changes in coloring).
After some time some people might notice the lack of some
type of stories they liked (if the reform was that strict).
--
Ari Seppi (mani at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
Eritt?in fanaattinen Potter-kirjojen ja Disney-sarjakuvien palvoja
Fabio Blanco
BE A DUPE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN 5 MINUTES!!!
Message 201 -
2002-01-22 at 14:29:50
All that wasn't a joke about millionaires???
Fabio
> The example you mailed to the list is a particularly onerous version known
> as a chain letter, promising something for nothing. It is a waste of time
> and bandwidth. You may have noticed that I altered the subject line to
> reflect the real message behind the one you originally sent.
>
> Dan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
Fabio
> The example you mailed to the list is a particularly onerous version known
> as a chain letter, promising something for nothing. It is a waste of time
> and bandwidth. You may have noticed that I altered the subject line to
> reflect the real message behind the one you originally sent.
>
> Dan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
DGE
Fethry Duck
Message 202 -
2002-01-22 at 15:02:31
Hey William,
>Here's a stocking-capped duck who's perpendicular to the world.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/williampp555/fethry.htm
Your page accidentally gives the impression that you are the author
of this text. I would appreciate it if you could please correct this.
I compiled the text as part of a Fethry character analysis, both for
Egmont and my own use. It comprises a mixture of my own writing together
with invaluable thoughts, contributions and analysis from fellow Duck
researchers and authors. I made it available on the Web two days ago in
conjunction with a German Disney comics chat session (see the page where I
originally put it up: http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/fethry.html on my
old university website).
If you want to keep it up on your own site, that's OK with me. But
then please credit me, and those who helped me, like this: Text by David
Gerstein with Lars Jensen, Jakob Soderbaum, and Joakim Gunnarsson *
Additional thanks to Jon Gisle
Best wishes,
David
>Here's a stocking-capped duck who's perpendicular to the world.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/williampp555/fethry.htm
Your page accidentally gives the impression that you are the author
of this text. I would appreciate it if you could please correct this.
I compiled the text as part of a Fethry character analysis, both for
Egmont and my own use. It comprises a mixture of my own writing together
with invaluable thoughts, contributions and analysis from fellow Duck
researchers and authors. I made it available on the Web two days ago in
conjunction with a German Disney comics chat session (see the page where I
originally put it up: http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/fethry.html on my
old university website).
If you want to keep it up on your own site, that's OK with me. But
then please credit me, and those who helped me, like this: Text by David
Gerstein with Lars Jensen, Jakob Soderbaum, and Joakim Gunnarsson *
Additional thanks to Jon Gisle
Best wishes,
David
Kriton Kyrimis
Languages
Message 203 -
2002-01-22 at 15:03:07
SPREA:
> It seemed to me that there ain't no such think as a Greek willing to index,
> maybe you've all got an anti-index gene, I don't know :-)
Well, it's been at least 41 years since I last curled up with a nice
index, while it's only been a few hours since I last did that with a
comic book!
> Hello, I'm a program :-)
From what you describe below, it would appear that it was, indeed,
a program that converted the "x" that you typed into a ksi.
> But who's gonna do this? You? You'd be definitely welcome :-)
In my last message I suggested that it should be some young enthusiastic
Greek who should do this. I don't know about the enthusiastic or the
Greek bits, but I'm definitely not in my first youth any more. :(
> I actually have no idea if the input files can be handled directly with
> Greek letters or not.
A few years ago, when I discussed this with Harry, it was my impression
that they can't, or at least that they shouldn't...
> KX 61b I TL 243-A 35 3 RSc RSc US To teleytaio mpalampoy
> [xapp:US,BRI(1st),DD,HDL] [code:K.121]
...
> As you can see, titles like "To teleytaio mpalampoy" become real Greek only
> on the output files, I never types any Greek letters.
...and coupled with the above example, which doesn't seem to contain any
indication that the text is in Greek, other than the name of the magazine
(KX), suggests that the conversion into Greek is an all or nothing,
10 ksi 10, automated approach.
> > In any case, I don't know how useful a Greek index in its present
> > form would be to a non-Greek. Speaking for myself as a Greek, however,
> > I don't think I could use it.
>
> I still can't see why. It's only titles after all that are in Greek, and
> titles are definitely not the most important part of an index.
This is a rather surprising statement. I guess it depends on the things
for which one uses an index. Not being much of an indexing enthusiast,
as you may have gathered, the few INDUCKS searches that I've done always
involved the story of a title. As to why I find the current state of
the Greek titles unusable, perhaps you should put yourself in my place,
imagining all Italian titles horribly misspelled and with all accents
removed. Looking at the titles is, at best, a cause for laughter or,
at worst, a cause for despair. :(
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"One always has choices. Whether one chooses to see them or not is,
in itself, its own choice."
-----
> It seemed to me that there ain't no such think as a Greek willing to index,
> maybe you've all got an anti-index gene, I don't know :-)
Well, it's been at least 41 years since I last curled up with a nice
index, while it's only been a few hours since I last did that with a
comic book!
> Hello, I'm a program :-)
From what you describe below, it would appear that it was, indeed,
a program that converted the "x" that you typed into a ksi.
> But who's gonna do this? You? You'd be definitely welcome :-)
In my last message I suggested that it should be some young enthusiastic
Greek who should do this. I don't know about the enthusiastic or the
Greek bits, but I'm definitely not in my first youth any more. :(
> I actually have no idea if the input files can be handled directly with
> Greek letters or not.
A few years ago, when I discussed this with Harry, it was my impression
that they can't, or at least that they shouldn't...
> KX 61b I TL 243-A 35 3 RSc RSc US To teleytaio mpalampoy
> [xapp:US,BRI(1st),DD,HDL] [code:K.121]
...
> As you can see, titles like "To teleytaio mpalampoy" become real Greek only
> on the output files, I never types any Greek letters.
...and coupled with the above example, which doesn't seem to contain any
indication that the text is in Greek, other than the name of the magazine
(KX), suggests that the conversion into Greek is an all or nothing,
10 ksi 10, automated approach.
> > In any case, I don't know how useful a Greek index in its present
> > form would be to a non-Greek. Speaking for myself as a Greek, however,
> > I don't think I could use it.
>
> I still can't see why. It's only titles after all that are in Greek, and
> titles are definitely not the most important part of an index.
This is a rather surprising statement. I guess it depends on the things
for which one uses an index. Not being much of an indexing enthusiast,
as you may have gathered, the few INDUCKS searches that I've done always
involved the story of a title. As to why I find the current state of
the Greek titles unusable, perhaps you should put yourself in my place,
imagining all Italian titles horribly misspelled and with all accents
removed. Looking at the titles is, at best, a cause for laughter or,
at worst, a cause for despair. :(
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"One always has choices. Whether one chooses to see them or not is,
in itself, its own choice."
-----
Kriton Kyrimis
H-stories
Message 204 -
2002-01-22 at 15:12:03
> I can't help it: these are some examples of the very good stories, and
> mostly good artwork, from the Dutch producktion.
> They are not more violent than the Barks stories that inspired them.
Looking at some of those violent scenes, I was reminded of Barks' "Silent
Night", which had been banned for years because of the extreme violence.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"One always has choices. Whether one chooses to see them or not is,
in itself, its own choice."
-----
> mostly good artwork, from the Dutch producktion.
> They are not more violent than the Barks stories that inspired them.
Looking at some of those violent scenes, I was reminded of Barks' "Silent
Night", which had been banned for years because of the extreme violence.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"One always has choices. Whether one chooses to see them or not is,
in itself, its own choice."
-----
Petri Kanninen
Standards?
Message 205 -
2002-01-22 at 15:18:34
CHRISTOPHER:
>how would you as a Disney comics fan or creator feel if the Walt Disney
>Company, in an attempt to create a more cohesive and "logical" universe
>(or as logical as a universe can be when it's peopled with talking ducks,
>dogs, geese, etc.), came up with guidelines that standardized some (or
>all!) of the very things that have been discussed and required the
>licensees to follow them?
Go berserk, perhaps. One of the great things about Disney comics is that
there is such a variety of them. My comics collection has about 60% (tens
of thousands of pages) of Disney comics and if they all were Barksian or
Italian or Egmontian etc. stories I'd gotten bored of them long time ago.
I can read a Barks story and next open a pocket book and read a different
(Italian) version of the characters and universe and enjoy the aspects
they've thought are important. There are (probably) no other comic book
universes that offer so many different views and that is one of the reason
why I'm still interested of Disney comics (the other being the good
stories). That is also the reason why I keep reading bad stories: because
they give yet another perspective to Disney universe. Luckily Walt Disney
company is definately not interested what European (or Brasilian)
publishers do with its characters. Difference is a treasure, if you ask
me.
--
Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi)
Aku Ankan taskukirja -tietokanta: http:/www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/
"Elokuvataiteen kannalta Van Damme on ollut merkitt?vimmill??n
Replicant-elokuvan loppuhuipennuksessa, jossa h?n potki ja
pieksi perusteellisesti itse??n." -Mikko Vienonen, IS 13.10.2001
>how would you as a Disney comics fan or creator feel if the Walt Disney
>Company, in an attempt to create a more cohesive and "logical" universe
>(or as logical as a universe can be when it's peopled with talking ducks,
>dogs, geese, etc.), came up with guidelines that standardized some (or
>all!) of the very things that have been discussed and required the
>licensees to follow them?
Go berserk, perhaps. One of the great things about Disney comics is that
there is such a variety of them. My comics collection has about 60% (tens
of thousands of pages) of Disney comics and if they all were Barksian or
Italian or Egmontian etc. stories I'd gotten bored of them long time ago.
I can read a Barks story and next open a pocket book and read a different
(Italian) version of the characters and universe and enjoy the aspects
they've thought are important. There are (probably) no other comic book
universes that offer so many different views and that is one of the reason
why I'm still interested of Disney comics (the other being the good
stories). That is also the reason why I keep reading bad stories: because
they give yet another perspective to Disney universe. Luckily Walt Disney
company is definately not interested what European (or Brasilian)
publishers do with its characters. Difference is a treasure, if you ask
me.
--
Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi)
Aku Ankan taskukirja -tietokanta: http:/www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/
"Elokuvataiteen kannalta Van Damme on ollut merkitt?vimmill??n
Replicant-elokuvan loppuhuipennuksessa, jossa h?n potki ja
pieksi perusteellisesti itse??n." -Mikko Vienonen, IS 13.10.2001
Søren Krarup Olesen
Wittal?
Message 206 -
2002-01-22 at 16:22:41
On November 29th last year I received the following message. There is no
"Wittal" or likewise in Inducks, but perhaps the name rings a bell to
some of you:
----------
I have a friend that has a plate that was painted in 1950 with 3 Disney
characters as a gift and it is signed Wittal. Do you know who the
artist would be? I am trying to find out if this person is a disney
artist or not. Thank you for your time.
Eurtacia
--- Eurtacia Bodle
--- lifeiscopy at earthlink.net <mailto:lifeiscopy at earthlink.net
----------
S?ren
"Wittal" or likewise in Inducks, but perhaps the name rings a bell to
some of you:
----------
I have a friend that has a plate that was painted in 1950 with 3 Disney
characters as a gift and it is signed Wittal. Do you know who the
artist would be? I am trying to find out if this person is a disney
artist or not. Thank you for your time.
Eurtacia
--- Eurtacia Bodle
--- lifeiscopy at earthlink.net <mailto:lifeiscopy at earthlink.net
----------
S?ren
Timo Ronkainen
What if...
Message 207 -
2002-01-22 at 19:22:50
>From: "Christopher Burton" if the Walt Disney Company, in an attempt to
>create a more cohesive and "logical" universe, came up with guidelines that
>standardized some (or all!) of the very things that have been discussed and
>required the licensees to follow them? What if they officially established
>Duckburg's location? What if they defined the color, nature and origin of
>the money in Scrooge's bin? What if they established an official historical
>chronology?
I think that's excatly what has been done for years and many times with
comics like Batman, Superman (and other). Yet we have seen many different
versions and origin stories of them - in different times different
chronologies have been created. And writers, artists and comics editors have
nearly lost their minds trying to weave all loose parts and details together
in one coherent "universe". Still there is lots of unlogical things. And
things like these haven't prevent writers and artists to create something
that is out of "guidelines", Batman have had his "Elseworlds" adventures
etc...
Therefore I think it would be futile trying to create some guidelines or
anything like that.
Much more freedom is what Disney creators needs nowadays. It's kind of funny
how Don Rosa have been able to do stuff he have done. Lucky thing he have
had that freedom. Some editor could have easily said: "No new relatives for
Ducks and especially no parents!"...
Greetings
Timo
^^''*''^^
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>create a more cohesive and "logical" universe, came up with guidelines that
>standardized some (or all!) of the very things that have been discussed and
>required the licensees to follow them? What if they officially established
>Duckburg's location? What if they defined the color, nature and origin of
>the money in Scrooge's bin? What if they established an official historical
>chronology?
I think that's excatly what has been done for years and many times with
comics like Batman, Superman (and other). Yet we have seen many different
versions and origin stories of them - in different times different
chronologies have been created. And writers, artists and comics editors have
nearly lost their minds trying to weave all loose parts and details together
in one coherent "universe". Still there is lots of unlogical things. And
things like these haven't prevent writers and artists to create something
that is out of "guidelines", Batman have had his "Elseworlds" adventures
etc...
Therefore I think it would be futile trying to create some guidelines or
anything like that.
Much more freedom is what Disney creators needs nowadays. It's kind of funny
how Don Rosa have been able to do stuff he have done. Lucky thing he have
had that freedom. Some editor could have easily said: "No new relatives for
Ducks and especially no parents!"...
Greetings
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
¨¨ Personal:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
¨¨ Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
http://welcome.to/ankistit
.................................
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Go sit on cowslip - far from me!"
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L. Schulte
Translated Jokes
Message 208 -
2002-01-22 at 19:34:19
Concerning translations of jokes, in this case from Barks' English to
German, I had written earlier:
> A cowboy asks Donald at the same time for a
> donation to a party for "cowboys who can't yodel". In German
> the cowboy asks for a donation for the "Small Animal Breeders
> Society" (Kleintierz?chterverein), a word that I assume seems
> fairly ridiculous in German, but is not on the same level as
> "cowboys who can't yodel" (Cowboys, die nicht jodeln k?nnen).
Harry responded:
"I think your point was that the German texts were *better* ("more
literary"). Is that is so, I don't understand this example. The
Kleintierz?chterverein does not sound funny to me (I do know some German),
while the non-yodeling cowboys are hilarious."
To Harry:
No, my point was that the German translation is not as funny as Barks'
original. You are quite right! And the "literary" nature of the German
translation is not necessarily "better", as this example shows!
German, I had written earlier:
> A cowboy asks Donald at the same time for a
> donation to a party for "cowboys who can't yodel". In German
> the cowboy asks for a donation for the "Small Animal Breeders
> Society" (Kleintierz?chterverein), a word that I assume seems
> fairly ridiculous in German, but is not on the same level as
> "cowboys who can't yodel" (Cowboys, die nicht jodeln k?nnen).
Harry responded:
"I think your point was that the German texts were *better* ("more
literary"). Is that is so, I don't understand this example. The
Kleintierz?chterverein does not sound funny to me (I do know some German),
while the non-yodeling cowboys are hilarious."
To Harry:
No, my point was that the German translation is not as funny as Barks'
original. You are quite right! And the "literary" nature of the German
translation is not necessarily "better", as this example shows!
Jvainio
Barks covers question
Message 209 -
2002-01-22 at 22:33:39
In November I visited the editorial offices of the Finnish Aku Ankka. While I
was there up came something that I hadn't really thought about before. They knew
me as something of an art collector and the conversation turned to the two Barks
pieces I have: two blue pencil cover preliminaries, one for Walt Disney's Comics
and Stories #281 ("Feud and Far Away" and a Daisy Duck's Diary story) and one
for Uncle Scrooge #58 ("Giant Robot Robbers"). They're from 1963-1964.
Looking at the published covers I've always thought that they were inked by
someone else than Barks. They don't LOOK like Barks! Yet when I mentioned this
to Markku Kivekas, the Aku Ankka editor, he looked shocked. He challenged me to
prove my point and said that he had never read anywhere anything like that.
I thought about this and went through 'all the usual suspect' book sources.
Nowhere could I find any mention of this. Where did I get this notion?
Now, I'm not an expert on Barks's later work because I don't care too much for
what happened to his drawing style after mid-50s, but did it get THIS bad??
Comparing the blue pencil sketches (and there's a whole section of them
published in the hardcover Carl Barks Library) and the published cover I see a
definite non sequitor: the sketches DO look like Barks's work, but the inked
work DOESN'T. (I'm not talking about all of them, because many clearly were
inked by Barks, but some, like the ones I mentioned).
So, in a nutshell, here's my question to the list: did Barks ink all his covers
himself or was someone else inking them in the later years, based on Barks's
pencils? If someone else inked them, can you point me to a written source saying
that? If Barks inked them himself, can you explain why they look different than
the art in the stories? Did he ink them with his feet??
Even suspecting something like this lead Markku to announce that this would be
the "biggest news since the burning of Rome".
---Jyrki Vainio, Finland (currently U.S.)
was there up came something that I hadn't really thought about before. They knew
me as something of an art collector and the conversation turned to the two Barks
pieces I have: two blue pencil cover preliminaries, one for Walt Disney's Comics
and Stories #281 ("Feud and Far Away" and a Daisy Duck's Diary story) and one
for Uncle Scrooge #58 ("Giant Robot Robbers"). They're from 1963-1964.
Looking at the published covers I've always thought that they were inked by
someone else than Barks. They don't LOOK like Barks! Yet when I mentioned this
to Markku Kivekas, the Aku Ankka editor, he looked shocked. He challenged me to
prove my point and said that he had never read anywhere anything like that.
I thought about this and went through 'all the usual suspect' book sources.
Nowhere could I find any mention of this. Where did I get this notion?
Now, I'm not an expert on Barks's later work because I don't care too much for
what happened to his drawing style after mid-50s, but did it get THIS bad??
Comparing the blue pencil sketches (and there's a whole section of them
published in the hardcover Carl Barks Library) and the published cover I see a
definite non sequitor: the sketches DO look like Barks's work, but the inked
work DOESN'T. (I'm not talking about all of them, because many clearly were
inked by Barks, but some, like the ones I mentioned).
So, in a nutshell, here's my question to the list: did Barks ink all his covers
himself or was someone else inking them in the later years, based on Barks's
pencils? If someone else inked them, can you point me to a written source saying
that? If Barks inked them himself, can you explain why they look different than
the art in the stories? Did he ink them with his feet??
Even suspecting something like this lead Markku to announce that this would be
the "biggest news since the burning of Rome".
---Jyrki Vainio, Finland (currently U.S.)
Manningjet
DCML digest, Vol 1 #811 - 6 msgs???????
Message 210 -
2002-01-23 at 17:13:06
dear sirs, I could not read the mime files because I don,t know how to do
this.. could you please send something i can read. pictures work too. I
have never uncripted a letter before.
this.. could you please send something i can read. pictures work too. I
have never uncripted a letter before.