Keskustelujen arkisto

>From: Fluks, H.W. <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>> SELECT art, sum(pages) as total FROM story
>> WHERE art = writ and pagel <> "c" and pagel <> "i"
>> GROUP BY art ORDER BY total DESC
>> I found this: (I wonder if they're right)
>Not 100%: it excludes the stories where writer or art were a co-operation.
>This is also a flaw in Fran?ois' list.

Yes, that also is what I said (I hope you all got my message, especially
Rob).

I can't find any simple query to show this, and I think it is not possible.
The creadits data is not in a 100% structured way in the Inducks tables. We
would need a table "art credits" with storycode^author and another "writing
credits" table (for instance) to find the correct figures.

While I'm here, I'll give you the contents of Picsou #360 (a special 30th
birthday issue):
* Interview with Fran?oise Langrognet (first Picsou editor)
* editorial on Carpi followed by "Gyro's Super Vacuum" (S 66042).
Apparently they couldn't find its origin and write "Date: help us!" (they
use Inducks though, and this reference was in the database).
* edito on Bottaro followed by "Il Corsaro Paperinero e i borsari dei
Caraibi " I AT 160-A
* edito on Cavazzano followed by "The Perfect Grape" S 69095
* lots of old Picsou covers
* "Zio Paperone e la grande bicchierata " S 71086
* Taliaferro strips

Francois

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Fabio:

>Well, here in Argentina, Editorial Abril launched "Pato Donald" working
>about the stuff from his comics published in Brazil. Because, here the name
>of Gyro Gyrloose was Pardal on the two countries. Scrooge was Tio Patinhas
>in Brazil and Tio Patilludo in Argentina literally mean... errr... please
>Fernando, help me!

Er...I don't know!!! In fact, "Patinhas", means the female diminutive of
DUCKS!!! It doesn't go anywhere!

"Tio Patilludo"?! I suppose Uncle Scrooge was called "Tio Rico"(Uncle Rich)
in Argentina!
At least was what I listen two weeks ago, when I were in your countrie!

Here we use a "Quack!", without the "k":

Quac! for you! ;)
Fernando!

P.S: QUAAAAAAAAAAAACCCC!

>Most famous is the country name "Verweggistan" (Farbackistan or so), now
widely used in the Dutch language. I still haven't found out who invented
this Dutch translation.

-In Denmark it is called "Langtbortistan" - meaning something like "FarAwyay-istan" - it is widely used, AND can be found in the dictionaries of Danish language! It was "inventet" by the danish translater Sonja Rindom...

May The Ducks Be With You!

99E

Bes?g:

www.99e.dk www.westernportalen.dk www.bromley.dk
www.savvyonline.net www.parelli.com
www.hestenettet.dk
www.cowgirl.dk
www.bornriders.dk www.dirtyboots.dk
www.donald.org www.duckburg.dk
www.duckhunt.de

Eero-Pekka:
>Why does $crooge have to change his money to Euros, I thought he lives in
>the U.S!
>>>>He does live in the U.S... and in Finland, Sweden, Denmark... Italy,
Spain, Portugal... Brasilia, Chile, Argentina... Never-Never land... and
where ever the Disney comics artists write and draw him to and/or
the readers of the comics imagine him in.

That's a very nice, politically-correct answer. But it's not true for me.
In MY stories, Scrooge and Duckburg are *definitely* in The United States
of America. Even in the mid 1950's, but that's beside the point at the
moment. (Also, I'm not a "Disney artist", again beside the point at the
moment.) If a publisher or translator, or if any readers change or
interpret my story as having $crooge live anywhere other than the west
coast of the USA, then they are *dead wrong*. As regards my story. They are
free to have their own interpretation, but NOT as regards MY story. Where
the writer or artist intends the story to take place is futile when the
various editors have the "right" (actually not the right, only the ability)
to change the original story in any way they desire. And perhaps most
writers don't care. But MY stories, few that I do, take place in Duckburg,
Calisota, *USA*.
And $crooge does not convert his money to Euros in my stories. Any of my
stories that you see with a Euro symbol on the Money Bin... well, you'll
know it's against my will and makes no earthly sense. Aside from existing
in the 1950's, "my" $crooge would still never convert his Money Bin money
to Euros no matter where or when he lived. The value of the Money Bin money
is not important. It's the memories that count.
I foresee some problems with my friends in Finland or Norway when they
start putting Euro symbols on *my* Money Bins. I will suggest they switch
to the initials of $crooge McDuck (in their translations) such as they use
in other European countries, or I will be upset. They can put the Euro
symbols on the 99.999% of the stories that are *not* mine.

Fabio:

>Years later, when we begin to read the editions from Chile we did known to
>Scrooge like Tio Rico. I prefer this to the inextricable Tio Gilito from
>Spain (!!!!???)

Well, "inextricable" or not, I'll tell you that in Spanish versions, few
names have been translated: Donald, Daisy, Mickey, Minnie & Goofy (among
many others) remain the same. But notice this fact: other personages have
been named with an ACTUAL SPANISH NAME. I mean, $crooge is "GIL PATO"
(nicknamed Gilito), which in fact *is* an actual surname + name. And the
same goes for "NARCISO BELLO" (Gladstone Gander), and this fact encourgages
me to meet someday someone with one of these names. Be sure I'll ask'em for
an authograph! ;-)

Greetings,

Santiago.

Don:
> > He does live in the U.S... and in Finland, Sweden, Denmark...
Italy,
> > Spain, Portugal... Brasilia, Chile, Argentina... Never-Never
land... and
> > where ever the Disney comics artists write and draw him to and/or
> > the readers of the comics imagine him in.
> That's a very nice, politically-correct answer.

Thank you. I also think it's the right answer. :-)

> (Also, I'm not a "Disney artist", again beside the point at the
> moment.)

I just defined a "Disney artist" as "a person who has done comics
stories for official Disney comics producer or producers".
I didn't mean it as... But ok. :-) (Hmm. I overuse these smileys.)

> In MY stories, Scrooge and Duckburg are *definitely* in The United
States
> of America.

Yes, my point exactly.

I think the artist always has the ultimate say in the questions
related
to his work. So your ducks live in the United States. That is a fact
like
"Harry Potter lives in the UK." and "Winnie the Pooh is a bear with
very little brain." No translator or editor can ever change these
universal
facts even if they changed their printing of a story.

But while I do think you are the best "person who has done comics
stories for official Disney comics producer or producers" alive, there
are also other comics creators.

And as you said some of the other writers don't care about the exact
location of their Duckburg. Some simply don't think the location is
that important. Some might place their ducks on some fantasy
planet. Some might even wish that the people in different countries
could imagine that the ducks live in their country thus giving the
reader the final say over where Scrooge lives.

And that is why: "and/or the readers of the comics imagine him in."

To summarize my post: Rosa ducks in the US, others where ever.

--
Ari Seppi (mani at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
Eritt?in fanaattinen Potter-kirjojen ja Disney-sarjakuvien palvoja

JOHN:

> But, I'm historically-minded and I know many other DCML'ers are also
> keen on keeping Scrooge stories as set in the mid 1900's. Thus, it seems
> that though Scrooge's bin obviously has money in various currencies from
> various countries, the idea of the Euro is not one that should be
> handled.

If Scrooge can have Don's Eisner award plaque hung on a wall, I see no
reason why he cannot have at least a sample of Euros, new style dollar
bills, Federation credits, bars of gold-pressed latinum, or other forms
of post-1950 currency!!!

Seriously speaking, catching up on US currency history, it
would appear that uncle Scrooge would have found himself in
a similar situation to that of switching to the Euro, even if
he only owned US currency. From 1863 to 1933, one of the forms
of currency circulating in the US were gold certificates (see
http://www.dawnscurrency.com/types/goldcertificate.html), which were
currency that were redeemable in gold coin. When the Gold Reserve Act was
passed in 1933, possession of gold certificates was made illegal. Did
Scrooge choose to keep his gold certificates illegally, like many
collectors did, or did he exchange them for other, legal, forms of
currency (US notes, silver certificates, or Federal Reserve notes)?

An interesting note: possession of gold certificates was re-legalized
in 1964, the year when, according to Don, Scrooge is supposed to have
died. I wonder if there is a connection...

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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