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Don Rosa
From: "Alex Schaaf" <alex at schaaf.com>
> Okay, okay, I should have *known* that people have NO SENSE OF HUMOR
> WHATSOEVER when it comes to religion.
>>>>Aaah, too bad.
I was hoping for a story:

I still need to check around and see if I'd be allowed (or if I'd even want
to for my own purposes) to include the Holy Grail or the Ark of the
Covenant in the Knights Templar treasury when $crooge goes to find it at
Castle McDuck. Mentioning the Grail would require and explanation of the
Last Supper and people allegedly being the son of God and getting
themselves nailed to crosses and other unpleasantries. But I've already
involved Hinduism in my stories, so I should be fair and muck about with
Christianity as well. But my real fear is that if I use Jesus in a Duck
story, Di$ney will start to demand royalties on the last two thousand years
of Bible sales.

From: "Olaf Solstrand" <harryklein at hotmail.com>
>Gort, Klattu birada nikto. Squa tront!
>>>Does these words have a meaning that the part of the list which don't
understand ... (finnish?) should know? What on earth does it mean?

Didn't you read the messages from the other DCML members who recognized the
phrases?
Finnish? No, someone said I was from another solar system, so I spoke in
alien.
The first sentence is from the 1951 movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still".
The second sentence is from EC comics of the 1950's -- all their aliens
would say "squa tront!" or "spa fon" when surprised. It's like "holy cow!"

From: "DYER,SONIA (HP-Cupertino,ex1)" <sonia_dyer at hp.com>
>>>Gort, Klattu birada nikto.
>>>Well I recognized the line from the movie, but after all these years I
still
don't know what "birada nikto" is supposed to mean. Are any of you fluent
in
Klattu-ese?

It's what Michael Rennie (Klattu) told Patricia Neal to tell the robot Gort
after he'd been fatally shot. It's amazing it could mean so much, but it
apparently translates as "Gort, Klattu says that you should come into town
and steal his body from the city jail, then bring it back to the spaceship
for resuscitation, but in the meantime keep her hands off me because he
says I'm his babe." Them robots is smart. They use radar.
UNDBKB
> >Gort, Klattu birada nikto. Squa tront!
Gort was a robot who would destroy the world.
Unless you told him not to, with the words Klaatu birada nikto.
I think Squa Tront or was it trout?
That was an old fanzine,( Fan generated magazine).
Kjemperotta
----- Original Message -----
From: "Olaf Solstrand" <harryklein at hotmail.com>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Cc: <donrosa at iglou.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:27 PM
Subject: Gort, Klattu birada nikto. Squa tront!

> >Gort, Klattu birada nikto. Squa tront!
>
> Does these words have a meaning that the part of the list which don't
> understand ... (finnish?) should know? What on earth does it mean?
>
> Olaf

Well, this is what I found on the subject:

At EC, any time an alien spoke, it was in a Yiddish-flavored gibberish
salted with these two phrases (which became an in-joke at EC): SPA FON SQUA
TRONT

Mine is minority opinion, but these sound like Latin-ized Yiddish to me.
SQUA is very similar to the Latin preposition "qua" (as in "sine qua non")
and SPA is obvious Roman Latin. FON and TRONT is similar to a number of
Yiddish words with the ending "on" or "ont" syllable. Most of these are
Latinate. They are loan words from the Latin-derived language of French, and
the common French suffix "-ent," is pronounced "ont." To a Yiddish speaker
in New York, perhaps nothing sounded as elegant and foreign as Latin or
French.

source:

http://www.gvny.com/columns/yaco/yaco10-1.html

- Martin S. Thoresen
Bi442
Oops!!! Sorry for not noticing sooner. David was perfectly accurate in
realising that the books that Jeff Peckham found HAD TO BE INDIAN, as they were
published in Mumbai, AND the price was listed in Rupees. The monetary unit in
Singapore is DOLLARS! Thus, they could not have been published by Egmont India
FOR Singapore. So, - I no longer need to contact Bob Hughes. Sorry Don, and
everyone else, for my server being down so often.

Hurra for DCML for our 10 years anniversary. I echo Fernando's sentiments. I
have made many new friends in several countries, as remote from my homes as
Brasil and Indonesia, through our group. And most ironic, many from Holland
and Danmark. For example, I had lived in Den Haag, Holland for 9 years without
meeting Harry F., who lived in a nearby town, and worked in Den Haag. We only
met on the internet, after I noticed, and answered his Disney Comics quiz. His
website had a link to DCML, which first introduced it to me. The same for
Danmark. I worked in Kopenhagen for 1/2 year, during 6 years; meeting Freddy
Milton and fellow artist colleagues (Ingo Milton, Frank Madsen, Sussi Bech,
Gorm Transgaard, Michael Jensen, etc. at Gimle Studios), and few Egmont people,
but not knowing DCML fellow fans, Ole Reichstein Nielsen, A.C. Sivebaek
(Danmark) and Joakim Gunnarsson and Stefan Dios (across the water in Malmo,
Sweden). Through DCML, I met them, first on the internet, then in person; and
now consider them good friends. I even got to meet Per Starback! It has been
great for me to meet so many great people who share such a big interest with me.

So, - HOORAY FOR DCML (AND LONG MAY IT LIVE!!!)!

Rob
Klein

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Don Rosa
Another one from rec.arts.comics.misc:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bala Menon" <bala at panix.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: english language disneys do exist!
> > "Bob Hughes" <BobHughes at 2ttlc.net> wrote in message
> > news:493d5uopqd4rfd9isgm7cfvehldq2spd8d at 4ax.com...
> > > English language Disney comics do exist!
> > > Jeff Peckham recently returned from Singapore where
> > > he bought the following:
> > >The three issues of MICKEY MOUSE I picked up (#54-56) are all 100 page
> > > digests, with coated cardstock covers, and a printed cover price of
30
> > > Rupees.
> Not to jump the gun, but if those digests had a cover price
> of 30 rupees, they're extremely old books, perhaps a
> decade or more. I just checked with a Delhi-based friend
> of mine, and he doesn't recall any recent line of Disney
> books in India.
>
> --
> Bala Menon (bala at panix.com)
Don Rosa
"... keep her hands off me ".
Oops. I meant "keep YOUR hands off me". Heh.
HorizonHse
In a message dated 1/31/02 1:53:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:

Hi all.

> Anyone who thought I was serious when I said the pope was infallible, raise
> your hands. Or hand.

Doesn't current Catholic doctrine state that the pope IS infallible? I'm sure
the Church is very serious about it. Whether you agree with several hundred
million Catholics or not, I don't think making fun of people's religious
beliefs should be part of a discussion of ducks.

Regards,

William Price
236 West Portal
San Francisco
Bi442
Hi all. I've realised that my mention of a few distant and a few ironic
contacts and new friendships from DCML might slight some others. So, - I will
list other members that I have had many enjoyable e-mail conversations with;
many of whom I have met in person, and consider my friends:

Arie Fachrisal, Marco Barlotti, Eta Beta, Luca Faccioli, Paolo Castagna, Luca
Boschi, Duco Feenstra, Arthur de Wolf, Daniel van Eijmeren, Henri Kunne,
Fernando Ventura, Arthur Faria, Jr., Sven-Oliver Troschke, Soeren Schridde,
Alex Goerig, Francois Willot, Didier Ghez, Gilles Maurice, Olivier, Vic Pratt,
Kriton Kyrimis, David Gerstein, Mattias Hallin, Kristian Pedersen, Tony
Richards, Don Rosa, Janne Heino, Timo Ronkainen, Vidar Svendsen, Leo Schulte,
Gerry Tank, and Gary Pantzer. I hope to meet many more of our list members in
person as the years go by.

I am sure I've left some people off of this list, but please forgive me, as I
am now in my mid 50s, and my memory is almost worthless. The point is that I
have had very much enjoyment from having joined our list. Thanks for all the
interesting mail conversations, and all the help finding comic books and
related information.

Rob
Klein

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Kriton Kyrimis
DON:

> My head hurts.

Don't you mean your brain?

> You are celebrating that Emperor Julian screwed up big time.

Um, it's actually Julius Caesar, and it wasn't he the one who screwed
up, but Sosigenes, the astronomer whom he consulted, and who suggested
a calendar identical to that devised by Aristarchus. (Who, to make
this relevant to the list, was mentioned in "Guardians of the Lost
Library".) Of course, Aristarchus' coming up with such a calendar in
239 BC wasn't exactly a screw-up, but more of an impressive feat.

> All that frozen food in $crooge's icebox (and did you note it was a 1910
> style ice box?) was a clue to tell astute readers that $crooge eats nothing
> but frozen TV dinners,

Did they have electric refrigerators in 1910, so that Scrooge could store
more than a day's worth of food in his ice box, or did they literally have
ice boxes, i.e. boxes in which the low temperature would be provided by
a column of ice, which had to be replaced daily? I know that, in Greece,
the latter kind was still in use until the early 1960s.

Come to think of it, how could there be TV dinners in 1910, when there
was no TV?

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I've looked deeply into the hearts of my fellow men, and to be honest
with you, I'd rather look into a cesspool."
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Fluks, H.W.
Rob:

> I've realised that my mention of a few distant and a
> few ironic
> contacts and new friendships from DCML might slight some
> others.

That's always the danger of making lists of persons... but I myself tried
that too.

In the past few years, I have met many DCML people in person. Most of them
are mentioned on my photo website:
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/persons.html

I hope to meet the others within the next 10 years! 8-)

--Harry.
Dan Shane
SONIA WROTE:

>
> Gort, Klattu birada nikto.
>
> Well I recognized the line from the movie, but after all these years I
still
> don't know what "birada nikto" is supposed to mean. Are any of you fluent
in
> Klattu-ese?

AND I REPLY:

I think you mean are any of us fluent in Martian or Venutian, since Klaatu
states that he is from both places (an indication that he is a citizen of a
space federation of planets -- pre STAR TREK)?

Gort was the robot's name, Klaatu was the spaceman, so we're simply left to
wonder what "birada nikto" means. Somehow those two words managed to convey
to Gort that Klaatu did not want the earth destroyed, and that Gort was to
attempt to "resurrect" Klaatu. A very efficient language.

I always say, no need for "Blah, blah, blah" when only "Blah" will do.

Dan Shane
(danshane at bellsouth.net)
Don Rosa
> From: Kriton Kyrimis <kyrimis at cti.gr>
> Come to think of it, how could there be TV dinners in 1910, when there
> was no TV?

In 1910 there would have been fresh food in the icebox. That's when his
sisters were doing the cooking and running the Bin. $crooge wasn't living
there then... he was off globetrotting.
Dan Shane
WILLIAM PRICE WROTE:

Doesn't current Catholic doctrine state that the pope IS infallible? I'm
sure the Church is very serious about it. Whether you agree with several
hundred million Catholics or not, I don't think making fun of people's
religious beliefs should be part of a discussion of ducks.

AND I REPLY:

Barks made fun of many eastern religious customs, something that would
certainly be more difficult today. Just ask Salman Rushdie.

Still, just because Don made a little jibe at the most populous religion on
the planet (and was apparently taken seriously, causing further "injury"), I
wouldn't get my knickers in a twist. I doubt there will ever be a gag about
Jehovah's Witnesses in a Duck story, though we've regularly been the target
of TV and movie writers. But if I ever did see innocent fun being poked at
us, I'd laugh along with everyone else.

Cruel humor has no place anywhere, but Don's bit of sarcasm has been used
countless times in the past, and I don't think anyone has changed their
faith just because they heard it before.

And to answer your question: no, the Catholic church no longer considers
the pope to be infallible. And they don't have to eat fish on Friday
anymore, either.
Shelley Hanson
I suppose Scrooge must have been in the saloon when some miner who had just
struck gold bought a round for the house --- because I can't imagine Scrooge
actually paying money for something frivolous, unless maybe he was with
Goldie. ("Fun? Bah!" as in King of the Golden River). But I agree with Don,
I also see his as being a tough guy who could hold his likker. ("No softies
in the Yukon....")

I always kind of thought that in the "Barada Nicto" line from "When the
Earth Stood Still," we were getting a sort of Germanized inter-galactic
Esperanto -- "Nicto" being kind of "Nicht - do" -- i.e., don't do it.
Don Markstein
>Doesn't current Catholic doctrine state that the pope IS infallible?
I'm sure the Church is very serious about it. Whether you agree with
several hundred million Catholics or not, I don't think making fun
of people's religious beliefs should be part of a discussion of ducks.

Yes, Papal infallibility is a part of Catholic belief. But that doctrine
only goes back to the 19th century, and it applies only to a certain
rigidly speficied type of statement -- so rigidly specified, I don't
think it's been invoked as many as a half-dozen times. To say that
a statement must be retroactively true because a Pope said it hundreds
of years ago is a joke that even a Catholic might make. In fact,
a well-informed Catholic would see instantly that it IS a joke. As
a Recovering Catholic myself, I see nothing wrong with a little gentle
ribbing like that.

By the way -- I sent a note about this several days ago, but something
seems to have gone wrong, as it didn't show up on the List. I heard
a RUMOR that Disney approached CrossGen (a small American comic book
publisher) about the possibility of licensing the Disney characters.
After considerable negotiation (according to what I heard), CrossGen
turned Disney down, for reasons similar to Gladstone's for not renewing
the license. Does anybody know anything about this?

Quack, Don

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