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Don:

> As far as I know, this is the *only* work AT did on Donald
> Duck outside of the newspaper comics, right?

For the record: Taliaferro did a few 2-page stories directly for the comics
(WD's C&S).
(But this has no effect on the specialty of your item.)

--Harry.

I should also mention that the first person to contact me was Luca Boschi,
and this is okay because he is writing a book on Taliaferro and will now
include some art from this book in *that* book so that many more AT fans
will see it. What could be better?!
Luca just mentioned to me that AT *did* do other Duck/Disney stories/art
than the Donald Duck newspaper strip, so I hope he'll write to the ML and
mention some of that stuff and correct my hasty assumption that the DD strip
was all AT did.

>From: Kriton Kyrimis These people were actually "dwarves". Perhaps Peter
>Jackson will film
>"Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" as a sequel to both "The Lord of the
>Rings" and "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs"!

Forth part to Lords of the Rings..;-)

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My goodness, a third message! I was so busy explaining that Taliaferro stuff
that I forgot to comment on:

From: "M.J. Prior" <M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl>
>>>In Voodoo Hoodoo, first page, there *was* a black man cleaning
the street, but later this man was replaced by a white man on a
tricycle-or-something. Maybe Disney had the black man replaced
by this man Bop-Bop because Donald adresses him as 'an expert
on ghost stuff', which they probably considered insulting to black
men cleaning the streets, but, of course, not to white men on small
tricycles.

Just so you have a correct idea of how this story was changed:
In the original version, printed in the Dell FOUR COLOR #238 in 1949, there
were two street cleaners in the first panel who we assume are caucasian
since they are drawn and they speak "normally". Bop-Bop was always there in
the original on his tricycle, but in that first printing he was quite
obviously a black man with the entire part of his head below his nose being
simply a gigantic pair of bulbous pink lips. This is the same way the black
natives later in the story originally appeared, with the further addition of
sharp teeth.
Also, Bop-Bop's dialogue was clearly a black-dialect -- in answer to
Donald's question of whether he had ever seen a zombie, Bop-Bop says
"Nossah! An' if ah evah does, it'll be just a short glance!" In Gladstone
reprints Bop-Bop's lips and dialogue were changed, as were all the African
natives' faces.
(One change that has always been assumed to have been made prior to the
original 1949 publication is the substitution of the words "done fer" in
place of "dead" in Bop-Bop's first balloon... the word balloon bulges
strangely at that point and the lettering is crowded.)

>>>Back to Voodoo Hoodoo. The version printed in the Netherlands
still has the black streetcleaner.

That's weird since, as I said, the street cleaners in the original wwere not
black!

>>>>In Don Rosa's 'Terror of the Transvaal', there are lots and lots of
white people to be found in *South Africa*, but only four black
people, in one single panel on the last page, and from a long
distance, so if you didn't care to look more closely, you wouldn't
even have noticed!

I did that for two reasons. One, I was dealing with the community of white
settlers and prospectors, so I didn't need any natives. Secondly, I knew
that it would be risky trying to figure out how to draw natives that would
suit Disney if that story was ever reprinted in America, so I saw no reason
to needlessly go out of my way to use natives that I didn't need.
But no one has ever told me *not* to put black people in my stories, if that
answers your question. What Disney will allow in an American reprint is
something you'd need to ask their censor-of-the-day... their logic and
reasoning is too inscrutable for me to even try to figure out so I don't
bother.

By the way, when I drew Foola Zoola, Barks' black witch doctor from "Voodoo
Hoodoo", in my episode 11 of the "Lo$", I drew him exactly as Barks had done
in 1949, with the lips and sharp teeth. But even in the original version,
Foola's lips were normal sized for a black native, not drawn as over-the-top
caricature lips like the other natives had in that story. I don't recall if
Gladstone had to change my version of Foola when they reprinted that episode
in America... I'd need to go check that myself.

>>In Don Rosa's 'Terror of the Transvaal', there are lots and lots of
>>white people to be found in *South Africa*, but only four black
>>people, in one single panel on the last page, and from a long
>>distance, so if you didn't care to look more closely, you wouldn't
>>even have noticed!

>>Is this because black people *aren't* allowed in Disney comics,
>>after all?

Someone can, and will, correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I was always
led to believe that there was a large amount of Caucasian (ie White)
people in South Africa.

rodney.

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I picked up a copy of this magazine on a whim
in the checkout line, and since it is (right
now) the only source for Disney comics in the
USA, I thought I'd tell everyone about the
contents:

1) The Hall Monitors (untitled), JZ622, 1 page.
Story and art by Jim Paillot. Not a Disney
property; copyright Jim Pallot.

2) Disney's Tall Tails (magazine-style gag
cartoons with Disney characters), JZ621, 1
page. Writing and art by Glenn McCoy. Donald
and Mickey appear.

3) Stitch in "A Smashing Success!", JZ627, 4
pages. Story by Michael Stewart. Art by
Giovanni Rigano. Art assist by Dario Clabria.
Stich is from this summer's upcoming animated
feature, Lilo & Stich.

4) Lilo in "Back to the Beach!", JZ628, 4
pages. Story by Michael Stewart. Layouts by
Giovanni Rigano. Pencils by Anna Merli. Inks
by Maria Elena Naggi. Art assist by Dario
Clabria. Lilo is from this summer's upcoming
animated feature, Lilo & Stich.

5) Peter Pan in "Hooked!", JZ624, 3 pages.
Story by Michael Stewart. Pencils by Steven
Butler. Inks by Jim Amash. Features
characters (Jane, the octopus) just introduced
in Return to Neverland (in theatres now).
Tinker Bell, Captain Hook, Smee and the rest
of the pirates also appear.

6) Spy Kids in "F.A.N.G.S. a Lot!", JZ626,
4 pages. Story by Steve Behing. Art by
Christine Norrie. Not a Disney property;
copyright Miramax Film Corp.

7) Cinderella in "Wand Fine Day!", JZ625, 2
pages. Story by John Green. Art by Steven
Butler. Intended to promote Cinderella II,
coming soon to video. Gus, Jaq and the
Fairy Godmother also appear.

8) The Last Laugh (a gag feature that always
closes the magazine) "Celebrate These Little-
Known Pet Holidays", JZ620, 1 page. Written by
John Green. Art by Charly La Greca.

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Rodney:

> I was always
> led to believe that there was a large amount of Caucasian (ie White)
> people in South Africa.

Maybe, but there is a HUGE amount of NON-white people in South Africa. I
think less than 10% of the people in SA can be regarded caucasian.

--Harry.