Pete Fernbaugh posts his thoughts on the DuckFAIL fiasco (via @Pete_Fernbaugh on Twitter)...
http://www.petefernbaugh.com/2011/08/first-post-ducktales-story.html
A snippet...
"It's a miracle [Boom!] didn't inaugurate their stint publishing the "Core Four" with # 1s across-the-board. And multiple covers for each of those issue 1s, of course... "
I'm shocked they didn't think of that, Pete!
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Topic: BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
(294 messages)
Kneon
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 136 -
2011-08-10 at 14:40:59
Vesuvius
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 137 -
2011-08-10 at 15:49:19
I wish I knew how to paste today's "The Gutters" into this post. It's pretty much dead-on.
http://www.the-gutters.com/
http://www.the-gutters.com/
Arnaud
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 138 -
2011-08-10 at 16:37:57
Kneon
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 139 -
2011-08-10 at 17:56:20
"Kaboom, bitches!"
Ha ha ha ha. :)
Ha ha ha ha. :)
Vesuvius
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 140 -
2011-08-10 at 18:28:13
"Kaboom, bitches!" is rapidly becoming the catch-phrase of fail in the comics industry.
Further down the page, Ryan Sohmer says he'd like to see Kaboom focus on original content. I don't see that happening; they don't have the vision or the marketing to get something like that off the ground. They were smart to grab "Snarked", but I understand it's zero issue launch sales were not good. I blame that on Boom's inability to get things noticed. If this book was at IDW or Image, they'd be getting Roger Langridge the notice he desrves.
I think with Mark Waid abandoning ship, the death of their big Stan Lee line, the layoffs, and this complete clusterduck with Disney, the clock is ticking on Boom's expiration date.
Further down the page, Ryan Sohmer says he'd like to see Kaboom focus on original content. I don't see that happening; they don't have the vision or the marketing to get something like that off the ground. They were smart to grab "Snarked", but I understand it's zero issue launch sales were not good. I blame that on Boom's inability to get things noticed. If this book was at IDW or Image, they'd be getting Roger Langridge the notice he desrves.
I think with Mark Waid abandoning ship, the death of their big Stan Lee line, the layoffs, and this complete clusterduck with Disney, the clock is ticking on Boom's expiration date.
Kneon
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 141 -
2011-08-10 at 18:37:18
Quote from user: VesuviusI think with Mark Waid abandoning ship, the death of their big Stan Lee line, the layoffs, and this complete clusterduck with Disney, the clock is ticking on Boom's expiration date.
All that's missing are the rumors of unpaid freelancers, and it's [every other failed indy comics publisher ever] all over again.
Let's sincerely, truly hope that we never hear about someone not getting paid.
Ever.
Never ever.
Because...
http://www.mamapop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/eye-of-sauron-lord-of-the-rings.jpg
People are watching. ;)
All that's missing are the rumors of unpaid freelancers, and it's [every other failed indy comics publisher ever] all over again.
Let's sincerely, truly hope that we never hear about someone not getting paid.
Ever.
Never ever.
Because...
http://www.mamapop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/eye-of-sauron-lord-of-the-rings.jpg
People are watching. ;)
Charlie Brown
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 142 -
2011-08-10 at 19:15:35
"Kaboom, bitches."
:D I love that line.
:D I love that line.
Jano
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 143 -
2011-08-11 at 04:17:46
Quote from user: KneonLet's sincerely, truly hope that we never hear about someone not getting paid.
Well, actually, I *did* hear about that... so... I guess this can only mean one thing...
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Kaboom, bitches!
Well, actually, I *did* hear about that... so... I guess this can only mean one thing...
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Kaboom, bitches!
Vesuvius
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 144 -
2011-08-11 at 07:31:51
I can't remember where, but I saw a post on some forum that Don Rosa won't sign any Boom material because [... /rest removed by admin]
Kaboom, bitches!
Kaboom, bitches!
Lars Jensen
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 145 -
2011-08-11 at 08:14:10
Everyone:
I realize many posters in this thread are annoyed with BOOM! But let's dial down on the personal attacks, OK?
I realize many posters in this thread are annoyed with BOOM! But let's dial down on the personal attacks, OK?
Kurt Appel
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 146 -
2011-08-11 at 09:17:16
I think that Boom did a good job. They gave to us really interesting new material like Casty´s Mickey Mouse and Doubleduck, unpublished stories of William Van Horn and Carl Barks/Daan Jippes, classics of Barks, Rosa, Gottfredson, Scarpa and Murry and specials like the pre-Barks Duck story of Pedrocchi. Above all they respected the fact that the Disney Comic world doesn´t contain only Barks and Rosa!
Kneon
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 147 -
2011-08-11 at 11:08:43
Quote from user: Lars JensenI realize many posters in this thread are annoyed with BOOM! But let's dial down on the personal attacks, OK?
Not trying to attack them personally Lars, I'm just hoping everyone that's freelanced for them has gotten paid. I imagine this doesn't happen too often overseas, but many, many small North American comic book publishers have gone under over the past few years. It starts with cancellations, then the layoffs, then continues with rumors of freelancers not getting paid, and ultimately ends with the company suddenly closing up shop... and 99% of the time without paying their freelancers first. It's happened time and time again, and has affected many friends of mine.
Boom! has hit two other markers (even if they tried to keep the layoffs under wraps) but word of freelancers not getting paid would be the death knell. Once a company gets to that point, there's usually no turning back. Unpaid freelancers = the public perception that your business is essentially done.
And I do agree, Boom! have done some good things with the Disney license in the past (as I've stated before.) It's a shame to see their Disney run go out on a low like this.
The only "personal" issue I have (if you can even call it that) is with their marketing guy, and even that's not too personal because I don't know him from Adam. He could be the coolest guy in the world in "real life" -- I dunno. I just thought the whole attempt to silence any and all criticism was bizarre, as is the handling of this situation (by completely ignoring repeated requests by Disney readers for some kind of explanation.)
I think longtime Disney readers do have a right to be angry about the radio silence, but most of the personal attacks have come from outside of this forum. Those 'Gutters' strips were written by (webcomic icon) Ryan Sohmer, who has no connection to Boom! or Disney whatsoever (that I'm aware of.)
But as for myself, I'll keep any personal attacks in check.
And yeah, I'd like to see everyone get paid.
That is all. ;)
Not trying to attack them personally Lars, I'm just hoping everyone that's freelanced for them has gotten paid. I imagine this doesn't happen too often overseas, but many, many small North American comic book publishers have gone under over the past few years. It starts with cancellations, then the layoffs, then continues with rumors of freelancers not getting paid, and ultimately ends with the company suddenly closing up shop... and 99% of the time without paying their freelancers first. It's happened time and time again, and has affected many friends of mine.
Boom! has hit two other markers (even if they tried to keep the layoffs under wraps) but word of freelancers not getting paid would be the death knell. Once a company gets to that point, there's usually no turning back. Unpaid freelancers = the public perception that your business is essentially done.
And I do agree, Boom! have done some good things with the Disney license in the past (as I've stated before.) It's a shame to see their Disney run go out on a low like this.
The only "personal" issue I have (if you can even call it that) is with their marketing guy, and even that's not too personal because I don't know him from Adam. He could be the coolest guy in the world in "real life" -- I dunno. I just thought the whole attempt to silence any and all criticism was bizarre, as is the handling of this situation (by completely ignoring repeated requests by Disney readers for some kind of explanation.)
I think longtime Disney readers do have a right to be angry about the radio silence, but most of the personal attacks have come from outside of this forum. Those 'Gutters' strips were written by (webcomic icon) Ryan Sohmer, who has no connection to Boom! or Disney whatsoever (that I'm aware of.)
But as for myself, I'll keep any personal attacks in check.
And yeah, I'd like to see everyone get paid.
That is all. ;)
Vesuvius
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 148 -
2011-08-11 at 19:33:08
Quote from user: Kurt AppelI think that Boom did a good job. They gave to us really interesting new material like Casty´s Mickey Mouse and Doubleduck, unpublished stories of William Van Horn and Carl Barks/Daan Jippes, classics of Barks, Rosa, Gottfredson, Scarpa and Murry and specials like the pre-Barks Duck story of Pedrocchi. Above all they respected the fact that the Disney Comic world doesn´t contain only Barks and Rosa!
I credit David Gerstein for giving us this, once Boom realized they were floundering and decided to hire someone who knew what they were doing. (Though they realized it too little too late, it seems.)
I credit David Gerstein for giving us this, once Boom realized they were floundering and decided to hire someone who knew what they were doing. (Though they realized it too little too late, it seems.)
Kneon
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 149 -
2011-08-12 at 11:26:17
In all fairness, here's the other side of the coin...
This is a pro-kaboom! article by comic shop owner Steve Bennett over at ICv2:
I have to confess I fully expected an official announcement at Comic-Con about KABOOM! losing their Disney comics license, but upon reflection I realized not publishing comics really isn't something you want to announce at a Nerd Prom program. If you absolutely have to do you do it the way KABOOM! did, in a couple of lines ticked into the solicitation of their last two Disney titles, DuckTales #6 and Darkwing Duck #18:
"This is it fans, the last Disney single issue from KABOOM! has arrived. It's the end of an era as we say goodbye to Disney at KABOOM!"
I for one will miss them because KABOOM! did a good job of producing Disney comics that could actually appeal to kids without alienating their core readership; men in their 50's no longer surprised when offers to join AARP appeared in the mail. One comic I??m going to miss on a personal level is Darkwing Duck. I can't say I was what you'd call a fan of the syndicated cartoon series from the early 90's but clearly a lot of people were. How else can you explain the way writer Ian Brill and artist James Silvani have not only recreated all of the characters from the series with an amazing exactitude they??ve found a way to make you care about them.
DuckTales was another one of those cartoons which didn't impress me overmuch but I know has it's fans, including video game designer Warren Spector who created Epic Mickey (I'm still waiting for the 64-page graphic novel adaptation of the game written by Peter David, by the way). I was surprised when it was first announced he was going to write the comic but an Internet search showed Spector was on record as wanting to loving the Disney ducks and wanting to do a video game with them (in his own words) "real bad."
Which in retrospect might not have been the best choice of words. I liked his DuckTales, especially the plot. It contained the genius idea that some of the indigenous people from whom Scrooge McDuck had acquired some of his incredibly valuable artifacts might actually want them back. So it's a shame that over on the Cartoon Brew website there's a piece asking "Is this the Worst Disney Comic of All-Time?"
Well, I??ll admit the execution of the plot I liked so much has left something to be desired but before anyone marks this comic with the definitive declaration worst there's a couple of things to keep in mind. One, as someone who's read an awful lot of Disney Comics let me tell you, competition for that particular title is something fierce. I myself would be happy to nominate any of the Mickey Mouse comics of the 50's, ostensibly adventure stories that could have been marketed as sleep aids and appear to have been drawn in a moving vehicle.
But that's just my opinion, which underscores the fact that opinion is always subjective. It didn't take me long online to discover that one of my absolute favorite Disney comics is considered by a some people to be one of the very worst. I mean of course Mickey Mouse, Super Secret Agent, a series of three issues of Mickey Mouse from 1966 where Mickey and Goofy, drawn by Paul Murry, where inserted into a world of humans drawn by the great Dan Spiegle. It's definitely very odd, but also very cool; if you want to see for yourself just Google "Mickey Mouse: Super Secret Agent."
But I'm also gong to miss the KABOOM! Disney titles because in spite of the fact Disney owns Marvel I frankly don't know just how much interest they have in publishing Disney comics. By which I mean the individual monthly titles, i.e. comic books as we know them, the kind that Disney collectors, well, collect. Even though Marvel already publishes kid's comics in the standard format, Marvel Super Squad and their on-going series of Oz adaptations, so far the only Disney comics Marvel has published have come in other formats.
So far they've come out in two different 96 page for $5.95 formats, the oversized comic (Muppets Presents: Meet The Muppets) and the more newsstand friendly magazine (Disney*Pixar Presents). Me, I'd like to see a Mickey Mouse #1 with a Marvel logo on it, but don??t expect to see one.
I??d also love to see a sequel to Mickey Mouse, Super Secret Agent; there were all sorts of "mash-ups" (affectionate and otherwise) of Marvel and Disney characters after the announcement of the merger. Well, Mickey Mouse, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. seems like a natural way of finally bringing their two different worlds together--as well as selling a lot of comics.
The opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the writer, and do not necessarily reflect the views of the editorial staff of ICv2.com.
Source: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/20787.html
This is a pro-kaboom! article by comic shop owner Steve Bennett over at ICv2:
I have to confess I fully expected an official announcement at Comic-Con about KABOOM! losing their Disney comics license, but upon reflection I realized not publishing comics really isn't something you want to announce at a Nerd Prom program. If you absolutely have to do you do it the way KABOOM! did, in a couple of lines ticked into the solicitation of their last two Disney titles, DuckTales #6 and Darkwing Duck #18:
"This is it fans, the last Disney single issue from KABOOM! has arrived. It's the end of an era as we say goodbye to Disney at KABOOM!"
I for one will miss them because KABOOM! did a good job of producing Disney comics that could actually appeal to kids without alienating their core readership; men in their 50's no longer surprised when offers to join AARP appeared in the mail. One comic I??m going to miss on a personal level is Darkwing Duck. I can't say I was what you'd call a fan of the syndicated cartoon series from the early 90's but clearly a lot of people were. How else can you explain the way writer Ian Brill and artist James Silvani have not only recreated all of the characters from the series with an amazing exactitude they??ve found a way to make you care about them.
DuckTales was another one of those cartoons which didn't impress me overmuch but I know has it's fans, including video game designer Warren Spector who created Epic Mickey (I'm still waiting for the 64-page graphic novel adaptation of the game written by Peter David, by the way). I was surprised when it was first announced he was going to write the comic but an Internet search showed Spector was on record as wanting to loving the Disney ducks and wanting to do a video game with them (in his own words) "real bad."
Which in retrospect might not have been the best choice of words. I liked his DuckTales, especially the plot. It contained the genius idea that some of the indigenous people from whom Scrooge McDuck had acquired some of his incredibly valuable artifacts might actually want them back. So it's a shame that over on the Cartoon Brew website there's a piece asking "Is this the Worst Disney Comic of All-Time?"
Well, I??ll admit the execution of the plot I liked so much has left something to be desired but before anyone marks this comic with the definitive declaration worst there's a couple of things to keep in mind. One, as someone who's read an awful lot of Disney Comics let me tell you, competition for that particular title is something fierce. I myself would be happy to nominate any of the Mickey Mouse comics of the 50's, ostensibly adventure stories that could have been marketed as sleep aids and appear to have been drawn in a moving vehicle.
But that's just my opinion, which underscores the fact that opinion is always subjective. It didn't take me long online to discover that one of my absolute favorite Disney comics is considered by a some people to be one of the very worst. I mean of course Mickey Mouse, Super Secret Agent, a series of three issues of Mickey Mouse from 1966 where Mickey and Goofy, drawn by Paul Murry, where inserted into a world of humans drawn by the great Dan Spiegle. It's definitely very odd, but also very cool; if you want to see for yourself just Google "Mickey Mouse: Super Secret Agent."
But I'm also gong to miss the KABOOM! Disney titles because in spite of the fact Disney owns Marvel I frankly don't know just how much interest they have in publishing Disney comics. By which I mean the individual monthly titles, i.e. comic books as we know them, the kind that Disney collectors, well, collect. Even though Marvel already publishes kid's comics in the standard format, Marvel Super Squad and their on-going series of Oz adaptations, so far the only Disney comics Marvel has published have come in other formats.
So far they've come out in two different 96 page for $5.95 formats, the oversized comic (Muppets Presents: Meet The Muppets) and the more newsstand friendly magazine (Disney*Pixar Presents). Me, I'd like to see a Mickey Mouse #1 with a Marvel logo on it, but don??t expect to see one.
I??d also love to see a sequel to Mickey Mouse, Super Secret Agent; there were all sorts of "mash-ups" (affectionate and otherwise) of Marvel and Disney characters after the announcement of the merger. Well, Mickey Mouse, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. seems like a natural way of finally bringing their two different worlds together--as well as selling a lot of comics.
The opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the writer, and do not necessarily reflect the views of the editorial staff of ICv2.com.
Source: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/20787.html
Rodney
BOOM!'s DuckTales comics
Message 150 -
2011-08-12 at 12:08:04
Also, it should be noted that he actually liked Mickey Mouse, Super Secret Agent. That makes his opinions a whole lot less valid.