On Sep 2, 2:23pm, Dinesh Mungra wrote:
> Subject: Cartoon InJoke
> This is not really about comics, but it is about Donald:
> Recently I saw a Donald Duck cartoon in which Donald orders a machine
> that helps him learn to keep his temper. The Machine speaks and
> has Donald make a promise to 'do your utmost best to keep calm <or
> something>, so help you HANNAH!'. I swear, that's what I heard.
> This is probably an in-joke by the animators.
>
Maybe. Could be. But I seem to recall that "Hannah" was a
40s-era euphemism. At least I think I've read reprints of
WWII Captain America comics where Cap would yell, "Holy
Hannah!" instead of something earthier or blasphemous.
Maybe the Duck cartoon line was a combination of 40s slang and
in-joke?
--Dwight Decker
Author
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Deckerd
Cartoon InJoke
Message 16 -
1996-09-02 at 22:46:40
Markoff
Lil Bad Wolf stories
Message 17 -
1996-09-03 at 05:51:31
HARRY FLUKS, ANDERS ENGWALL, ETC.
While indexing some Gold Key and Whitman issues, I came across two 4-page
Lil Bad Wolf stories by Jack Bradbury not in the database. Perhaps they are
among the uncoded stories in the Swedish index, Anders?
"The Girl Friend" (MM 90, reprinted in MM 174): BW tries to find a wolfish
girlfriend for LW, thinking that this will turn him into an ideal wolf
prototype, but the plan ultimately backfires.
"Caretaker Faker" (MM 94(?), reprinted MM 176): BW is assigned to guard and
maintain a mansion while the owner is away, but robs it instead. LW scares
him away by dressing like a ghost.
While indexing some Gold Key and Whitman issues, I came across two 4-page
Lil Bad Wolf stories by Jack Bradbury not in the database. Perhaps they are
among the uncoded stories in the Swedish index, Anders?
"The Girl Friend" (MM 90, reprinted in MM 174): BW tries to find a wolfish
girlfriend for LW, thinking that this will turn him into an ideal wolf
prototype, but the plan ultimately backfires.
"Caretaker Faker" (MM 94(?), reprinted MM 176): BW is assigned to guard and
maintain a mansion while the owner is away, but robs it instead. LW scares
him away by dressing like a ghost.
Mike Pohjola
10 Avatars
Message 18 -
1996-09-03 at 15:31:55
DON:
I recently got a Norwegian copy of your Treasure of the Ten
Avatars (thanks, Geir!). It was a great story although I find it hard to
believe it couldn't've been done with 24 pages. Losing the elephant
for example would've given you a few pages already, but from your column
there I understood it was one of your favourite parts in it. And if I
interpreted Norwegian correctly you also like Asterix. I didn't know they
have it in the States. Well, good for you.
And now some questions: First, did the ancient Hindus really have
the technology level to build such marvelous mechanical and hydraulic
gadgets they had there? I thought that was more of the Inca style. And
although the dungeon part with it's traps and monsters and obvious
periods reminded me alot of some old D&D roleplaying adventures I have
played, it was really enjoyable. Especially the oil-and-the-shadow
solution was just marvelous!
And in your text it also says that you would've wanted to use
that Barks maharadja, but couldn't. However, I didn't understand the
reason for that due to my poor ability to read Norwegian. So what was it?
When I was a little kid and read the great Barks adventures for
the first time, they gave me this special feeling of great excitement.
I think it could be called the Special Magic of the story and not even nearly
all of the Barks's stories could achieve it and none since them. This was
the first new story I've read in almost ten years that had that Special Magic
again. And the first non-Barks one. Congratulations for a great story, Don!
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #189
******************************************
I recently got a Norwegian copy of your Treasure of the Ten
Avatars (thanks, Geir!). It was a great story although I find it hard to
believe it couldn't've been done with 24 pages. Losing the elephant
for example would've given you a few pages already, but from your column
there I understood it was one of your favourite parts in it. And if I
interpreted Norwegian correctly you also like Asterix. I didn't know they
have it in the States. Well, good for you.
And now some questions: First, did the ancient Hindus really have
the technology level to build such marvelous mechanical and hydraulic
gadgets they had there? I thought that was more of the Inca style. And
although the dungeon part with it's traps and monsters and obvious
periods reminded me alot of some old D&D roleplaying adventures I have
played, it was really enjoyable. Especially the oil-and-the-shadow
solution was just marvelous!
And in your text it also says that you would've wanted to use
that Barks maharadja, but couldn't. However, I didn't understand the
reason for that due to my poor ability to read Norwegian. So what was it?
When I was a little kid and read the great Barks adventures for
the first time, they gave me this special feeling of great excitement.
I think it could be called the Special Magic of the story and not even nearly
all of the Barks's stories could achieve it and none since them. This was
the first new story I've read in almost ten years that had that Special Magic
again. And the first non-Barks one. Congratulations for a great story, Don!
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #189
******************************************
Mark Mayerson
Toy Story adaptation
Message 19 -
1996-09-03 at 17:18:00
Pieter van Cleef wrote:
> The opposite occured with the Marvel-version of the comic strip of Toy
> Story, which turned out to be a disaster. Not only the comic itself was a
> "pile of bullshit" (I learn a lot of new English terms of abuse in this
> group), but the readers hated it also. Our recent Popularity Poll (what's
> the right word for this stuff?) showed that readers appreciated it with the
> average of about 2 (on a scale of 1 to 10).
> Maybe Toy Story wasn't such a big succes in the Dutch cinema's among younger
> people because of the "bad publicity" it had in the Weekly.
I'm curious to know if this was the adaptation that used frame blow-ups
from the film. While the script was a major simplification of the film, the
artwork was great. It was one of the few printed things that actually
showed the humans. If it was the version with frame blow-ups, do you
suppose that the lack of popularity was due to the writing or due to
the art?
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Catapult Productions
Internet: (Email removed) Toronto, Ontario, Canada
In Production: Monster By Mistake (416) 504-9876
> The opposite occured with the Marvel-version of the comic strip of Toy
> Story, which turned out to be a disaster. Not only the comic itself was a
> "pile of bullshit" (I learn a lot of new English terms of abuse in this
> group), but the readers hated it also. Our recent Popularity Poll (what's
> the right word for this stuff?) showed that readers appreciated it with the
> average of about 2 (on a scale of 1 to 10).
> Maybe Toy Story wasn't such a big succes in the Dutch cinema's among younger
> people because of the "bad publicity" it had in the Weekly.
I'm curious to know if this was the adaptation that used frame blow-ups
from the film. While the script was a major simplification of the film, the
artwork was great. It was one of the few printed things that actually
showed the humans. If it was the version with frame blow-ups, do you
suppose that the lack of popularity was due to the writing or due to
the art?
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Catapult Productions
Internet: (Email removed) Toronto, Ontario, Canada
In Production: Monster By Mistake (416) 504-9876
Pieter Van Cleef
Facts & Figures
Message 20 -
1996-09-03 at 17:27:00
TO DANIEL:
I WROTE:
> Naturally it's very nice to make a "literary comic" (and I really would
> love to do it), but I think the Disney Company wouldn't be enthusiastic
> if the Dutch publisher decided to give up the Weekly (and the good
> profits) just to make "literary" comics.
YOU WROTE:
>Isn't the Monthly becoming such a comic more and more? That's at least
>how it looks to me with the stories by Van Horn and Rosa frequently being
>published in it.
According to incoming letters, the Monthly becomes indeed more and more a
succesful magazine for, let's say, "special interest"-readers (like the
students I mentioned before). I like that development, it means we can
experiment with the contents of the Monthly, without the danger of losing
our readers. We probably can't do these things with the Weekly. Publishing
"Runaway Brain" was a big gamble, but according to reactions of our readers,
we got away with it pretty well. Most of the kids love the new Mickey.
BTW:
The opposite occured with the Marvel-version of the comic strip of Toy
Story, which turned out to be a disaster. Not only the comic itself was a
"pile of bullshit" (I learn a lot of new English terms of abuse in this
group), but the readers hated it also. Our recent Popularity Poll (what's
the right word for this stuff?) showed that readers appreciated it with the
average of about 2 (on a scale of 1 to 10).
Maybe Toy Story wasn't such a big succes in the Dutch cinema's among younger
people because of the "bad publicity" it had in the Weekly.
>You told us about the sales of the Weekly, how are the sales of the
>Monthly?
If everything goes extremely well (like the summer holiday period) we're
selling almost 50.000. I don't know the average sales, but let's say it's
between 30.000 and 40.000 every month. There are more than 10.000
subscribers to the magazine, more than we expected. But that's only a very
small amount if you compare that to the more than 250.000
Weekly-subscribers...
How's the Monthly being made? You told about buying the stories
>for it in bulk, is it also possible for you to publish a specific story
>(which isn't in that bulk-packet) in the Monthly?
We have subscriptions to most of the international Disney-magazines, and
sometimes we see a comic which is very special. We buy specific stories
every now and then. (like recently a Rosa story in which the pages were not
traditionally from top to bottom but from left to right (almost upside
down): I can't remember the title, but I'm sure you all know what I'm
talking about.
So, we order a lot of "bulk-stories", but with VISION! (These hair-raising
Beagle Boys-stories in the Monthly though, will continue to be published
until the 24th century I'm afraid: not my idea... just a difference in
VISION...
>Enough questions for today, I think. ;-)
And enough answers for me, I'm sure... Don't be surprised if the Weekly
isn't in the shops for the next three weeks... it's all your fault! :-)
Bye,
PIETER (going really back to work this time...)
BTW: I noticed that some of my messages are "fucked up" (here's a new one
for you Mikko!) in the digest due to strange character-mix-ups. I'm trying
to figure out why, so be patient.
I WROTE:
> Naturally it's very nice to make a "literary comic" (and I really would
> love to do it), but I think the Disney Company wouldn't be enthusiastic
> if the Dutch publisher decided to give up the Weekly (and the good
> profits) just to make "literary" comics.
YOU WROTE:
>Isn't the Monthly becoming such a comic more and more? That's at least
>how it looks to me with the stories by Van Horn and Rosa frequently being
>published in it.
According to incoming letters, the Monthly becomes indeed more and more a
succesful magazine for, let's say, "special interest"-readers (like the
students I mentioned before). I like that development, it means we can
experiment with the contents of the Monthly, without the danger of losing
our readers. We probably can't do these things with the Weekly. Publishing
"Runaway Brain" was a big gamble, but according to reactions of our readers,
we got away with it pretty well. Most of the kids love the new Mickey.
BTW:
The opposite occured with the Marvel-version of the comic strip of Toy
Story, which turned out to be a disaster. Not only the comic itself was a
"pile of bullshit" (I learn a lot of new English terms of abuse in this
group), but the readers hated it also. Our recent Popularity Poll (what's
the right word for this stuff?) showed that readers appreciated it with the
average of about 2 (on a scale of 1 to 10).
Maybe Toy Story wasn't such a big succes in the Dutch cinema's among younger
people because of the "bad publicity" it had in the Weekly.
>You told us about the sales of the Weekly, how are the sales of the
>Monthly?
If everything goes extremely well (like the summer holiday period) we're
selling almost 50.000. I don't know the average sales, but let's say it's
between 30.000 and 40.000 every month. There are more than 10.000
subscribers to the magazine, more than we expected. But that's only a very
small amount if you compare that to the more than 250.000
Weekly-subscribers...
How's the Monthly being made? You told about buying the stories
>for it in bulk, is it also possible for you to publish a specific story
>(which isn't in that bulk-packet) in the Monthly?
We have subscriptions to most of the international Disney-magazines, and
sometimes we see a comic which is very special. We buy specific stories
every now and then. (like recently a Rosa story in which the pages were not
traditionally from top to bottom but from left to right (almost upside
down): I can't remember the title, but I'm sure you all know what I'm
talking about.
So, we order a lot of "bulk-stories", but with VISION! (These hair-raising
Beagle Boys-stories in the Monthly though, will continue to be published
until the 24th century I'm afraid: not my idea... just a difference in
VISION...
>Enough questions for today, I think. ;-)
And enough answers for me, I'm sure... Don't be surprised if the Weekly
isn't in the shops for the next three weeks... it's all your fault! :-)
Bye,
PIETER (going really back to work this time...)
BTW: I noticed that some of my messages are "fucked up" (here's a new one
for you Mikko!) in the digest due to strange character-mix-ups. I'm trying
to figure out why, so be patient.
Jacob Sparre Andersen
Long stories
Message 21 -
1996-09-03 at 18:00:10
Nobody seems to have mentioned "The Hunt for the Star Circle" (my, not very
good, translation). It is split up in 12 parts (I 1780 - I 1791), that were
published in two Jumbo Books (117 & 118). The total page count is 347 pages
(3-tier) equivalent to approximately 260 pages in the ordinary Disney format.
It's a story, where U$, DD and MM (and the rest of the crew) cooperates to
collect the twelve pieces of the "Star Circle".
Cheers,
Jacob
--
Jacob Sparre Andersen http://www.nbi.dk/~sparre/
Center for Chaos and Turbulence Studies Phone: (+45) 39 65 53 51
The Niels Bohr Institute (+45) 35 32 53 05
--
LEGO: MOC+++c TO+++(6543) TC+++(8880) AQ+++ BV-- #++ S LS++ A-/+ YB72m
good, translation). It is split up in 12 parts (I 1780 - I 1791), that were
published in two Jumbo Books (117 & 118). The total page count is 347 pages
(3-tier) equivalent to approximately 260 pages in the ordinary Disney format.
It's a story, where U$, DD and MM (and the rest of the crew) cooperates to
collect the twelve pieces of the "Star Circle".
Cheers,
Jacob
--
Jacob Sparre Andersen http://www.nbi.dk/~sparre/
Center for Chaos and Turbulence Studies Phone: (+45) 39 65 53 51
The Niels Bohr Institute (+45) 35 32 53 05
--
LEGO: MOC+++c TO+++(6543) TC+++(8880) AQ+++ BV-- #++ S LS++ A-/+ YB72m
Gary Leach
Indians
Message 22 -
1996-09-03 at 21:00:11
JAN:
> Were the Indian tribe-related strips part of the 1938-1941 run? I had a
>quick look through the Danish collections of Taliaferro dailies and couldn'=
t
>find them anywhere.
There was a run of strips in 1938 depicting an Indian tribe that Disney
found risky, and would not approve for reprinting. This might had something
to do with their absence in the Danish collections, though my impression
has long been that overseas Disney publishers operate in a different
approval arena from Gladstone (which casts envious eyes=8A), especially when
it comes to depictions of Native Americans.
CAREY:
It is unlikely Gladstone will do a poster of Don's original artwork for the
cover of US #300, though it is a neat idea. Again, it is stuck on the issue
of Native Americans (Disney is not amused by Don's Peeweegahs), and there's
the uncertainty of our current marketplace being able, even at its most
enthusiastic, to profitably support such a project.
Gary
> Were the Indian tribe-related strips part of the 1938-1941 run? I had a
>quick look through the Danish collections of Taliaferro dailies and couldn'=
t
>find them anywhere.
There was a run of strips in 1938 depicting an Indian tribe that Disney
found risky, and would not approve for reprinting. This might had something
to do with their absence in the Danish collections, though my impression
has long been that overseas Disney publishers operate in a different
approval arena from Gladstone (which casts envious eyes=8A), especially when
it comes to depictions of Native Americans.
CAREY:
It is unlikely Gladstone will do a poster of Don's original artwork for the
cover of US #300, though it is a neat idea. Again, it is stuck on the issue
of Native Americans (Disney is not amused by Don's Peeweegahs), and there's
the uncertainty of our current marketplace being able, even at its most
enthusiastic, to profitably support such a project.
Gary
Harry Fluks
A message for indexers
Message 23 -
1996-09-03 at 21:35:55
This message is only of use for indexers of the Disney comics Database
(who may be 5 per cent of this list's membership...).
Other readers: please skip it.
I have made some new "rules" for creator abbreviations (abbrevs) in the
Database:
1. a creator has an abbrev if he occurs more than 10 times in the database
(so e.g. Gianfranco Goria and Dwight Decker have no abbrev, until they
produce more stories. 8-)
(The threshold of 10 is introduced to have not too many
[conflicting] abbreviations in the database.)
2. the abbrev is the 1st letter of their 1st name, plus the 1st two letters
of the surname (e.g. Dave Rawson -> DRa)
(Note that we use the most used first name, not the most "official"
first name. Bob Grant -> BGr, not: Robert Grant -> RGr)
3. if the surname has more than one capital, the 1st two capitals are used
(e.g. Massimo De Vita -> MDV, Frank McSavage -> FMS, William Van Horn
-> WVH, but Ed van Schuijlenburg -> ESc [because lowercase 'v'])
The rules above are broken when:
4. the first name is unknown. In this case the first 3 letters of the surname
are used (e.g. Tello -> Tel, but Santanach -> TSa, since we now know his
first name is Tino).
At the moment, this applies to 21 creators, mostly studio artists.
5. a conflict occurs. At the moment applicable to the following abbrevs:
BGy Bob Gregory [BGr = Bob Grant]
GBC Giovan Battista Carpi [GCa = Giorgio Cavazzano]
GPz Giorgio Pezzin [GPe = Giuseppe Perego]
GSh Glenn Schmitz [GSc = Guido Scala]
JKz Joel Katz [JKa = John Kane]
JRn Joe Rinaldi [JRi = Joanika Ring]
JSa Jaap Stavenuiter [JSt = Jan Steeman]
JSh Joeroen Steehouwer [ " ]
JSi Jeannette Steiner [ " ]
JSg Jerry Siegel [JSi = Jeannette Steiner...]
MRt Marco Rota [MRo = Mike Royer]
PHf P. Haardfeldt [PHa not in use]
PHl Paul Halas [ " ]
RAa Roman Arambula [RAr = Roger Armstrong]
RBb Raul Barbero [RBa = Robert Bat]
RSf Ron Scholefield [RSc = Romano Scarpa]
RSh Russell Schroeder [ " ]
6. the creator is VERY well known or VERY often used:
AH Al Hubbard
AT Al Taliaferro
CB Carl Barks
DR Don Rosa
FG Floyd Gottfredson
JB Jack Bradbury
PM Paul Murry
TS Tony Strobl
VR Victor A. Rios (Vicar) [VRi = Vivie Risto]
(This list is my own choice. If you want to argue that Rota, Scarpa,
Cavazzano, Jippes or Kelly should be there too: go ahead...)
A complete list of "official" abbrevs will be in the ftp file "creators.legend".
You can also ask me ((Email removed)) for it.
I plan to introduce the new abbrevs in the next version of the database,
expected somewhere this or next week.
Any remarks are welcome!
--Harry.
(who may be 5 per cent of this list's membership...).
Other readers: please skip it.
I have made some new "rules" for creator abbreviations (abbrevs) in the
Database:
1. a creator has an abbrev if he occurs more than 10 times in the database
(so e.g. Gianfranco Goria and Dwight Decker have no abbrev, until they
produce more stories. 8-)
(The threshold of 10 is introduced to have not too many
[conflicting] abbreviations in the database.)
2. the abbrev is the 1st letter of their 1st name, plus the 1st two letters
of the surname (e.g. Dave Rawson -> DRa)
(Note that we use the most used first name, not the most "official"
first name. Bob Grant -> BGr, not: Robert Grant -> RGr)
3. if the surname has more than one capital, the 1st two capitals are used
(e.g. Massimo De Vita -> MDV, Frank McSavage -> FMS, William Van Horn
-> WVH, but Ed van Schuijlenburg -> ESc [because lowercase 'v'])
The rules above are broken when:
4. the first name is unknown. In this case the first 3 letters of the surname
are used (e.g. Tello -> Tel, but Santanach -> TSa, since we now know his
first name is Tino).
At the moment, this applies to 21 creators, mostly studio artists.
5. a conflict occurs. At the moment applicable to the following abbrevs:
BGy Bob Gregory [BGr = Bob Grant]
GBC Giovan Battista Carpi [GCa = Giorgio Cavazzano]
GPz Giorgio Pezzin [GPe = Giuseppe Perego]
GSh Glenn Schmitz [GSc = Guido Scala]
JKz Joel Katz [JKa = John Kane]
JRn Joe Rinaldi [JRi = Joanika Ring]
JSa Jaap Stavenuiter [JSt = Jan Steeman]
JSh Joeroen Steehouwer [ " ]
JSi Jeannette Steiner [ " ]
JSg Jerry Siegel [JSi = Jeannette Steiner...]
MRt Marco Rota [MRo = Mike Royer]
PHf P. Haardfeldt [PHa not in use]
PHl Paul Halas [ " ]
RAa Roman Arambula [RAr = Roger Armstrong]
RBb Raul Barbero [RBa = Robert Bat]
RSf Ron Scholefield [RSc = Romano Scarpa]
RSh Russell Schroeder [ " ]
6. the creator is VERY well known or VERY often used:
AH Al Hubbard
AT Al Taliaferro
CB Carl Barks
DR Don Rosa
FG Floyd Gottfredson
JB Jack Bradbury
PM Paul Murry
TS Tony Strobl
VR Victor A. Rios (Vicar) [VRi = Vivie Risto]
(This list is my own choice. If you want to argue that Rota, Scarpa,
Cavazzano, Jippes or Kelly should be there too: go ahead...)
A complete list of "official" abbrevs will be in the ftp file "creators.legend".
You can also ask me ((Email removed)) for it.
I plan to introduce the new abbrevs in the next version of the database,
expected somewhere this or next week.
Any remarks are welcome!
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
AW: Lil Bad Wolf stories
Message 24 -
1996-09-03 at 21:35:58
Jonathan:
> "The Girl Friend" (MM 90, reprinted in MM 174)
Yep. I recognised your description, and now added the code to the Dutch
reprint. Thanks.
--Harry.
> "The Girl Friend" (MM 90, reprinted in MM 174)
Yep. I recognised your description, and now added the code to the Dutch
reprint. Thanks.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Indians
Message 25 -
1996-09-03 at 23:37:39
Gary:
> my impression
> has long been that overseas Disney publishers operate in a different
> approval arena from Gladstone
At least the Indian sequence *was* published in the Dutch version of
"Donald Duck, Day by Day".
> It is unlikely Gladstone will do a poster of Don's original artwork for the
> cover of US #300, though it is a neat idea. Again, it is stuck on the issue
> of Native Americans (Disney is not amused by Don's Peeweegahs)
I thought the main objection of Disney was that all Peeweegahs look alike.
So maybe they could accept a poster where there's only *one* of them?
--Harry.
> my impression
> has long been that overseas Disney publishers operate in a different
> approval arena from Gladstone
At least the Indian sequence *was* published in the Dutch version of
"Donald Duck, Day by Day".
> It is unlikely Gladstone will do a poster of Don's original artwork for the
> cover of US #300, though it is a neat idea. Again, it is stuck on the issue
> of Native Americans (Disney is not amused by Don's Peeweegahs)
I thought the main objection of Disney was that all Peeweegahs look alike.
So maybe they could accept a poster where there's only *one* of them?
--Harry.
Per Starback
A message for indexers
Message 26 -
1996-09-04 at 01:19:15
> (The threshold of 10 is introduced to have not too many
> [conflicting] abbreviations in the database.)
How many creators are there in the Database that are listed with fewer
stories than that? In some ways it would be practical if every
creator was treated in the same way I think, but if there are lots and
lots of them and see your concerns. (Currently there are only WWW
creator pages for the creators with their own abbreviations, but
that's my fault. Of course it should be able to list all stories by
the less productive as well.)
> if the surname has more than one capital, the 1st two capitals are used
Suggestion: Use the capitals for two *first* names as well (so
Michael T. Gilbert -> MTG, not MGi). That will lead to fewer
clashes, and for some names you might not be sure if the three parts
are two first names or one surname or vice versa.
> but Ed van Schuijlenburg -> ESc [because lowercase 'v'])
Why not "EvS" as it is now? That sort of abbreviation would also lead
to fewer clashes. Let's avoid the uppercase+lowercase+lowercase when
possible!
> VR Victor A. Rios (Vicar) [VRi = Vivie Risto]
Isn't Vicar really VR's studio, and he is personally involved in only
some of the stories? Should a difference be made? A difference
between Jaime Diaz and Jaime Diaz Studios ought to be made anyway,
right?
Final suggestion: Get rid of the special codes for some sets of two
creators collaborating if you haven't already done so. They only make
it more difficult to find all stories by a particular creator.
--
PSt <(Email removed)> http://www.update.uu.se/~starback
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> [conflicting] abbreviations in the database.)
How many creators are there in the Database that are listed with fewer
stories than that? In some ways it would be practical if every
creator was treated in the same way I think, but if there are lots and
lots of them and see your concerns. (Currently there are only WWW
creator pages for the creators with their own abbreviations, but
that's my fault. Of course it should be able to list all stories by
the less productive as well.)
> if the surname has more than one capital, the 1st two capitals are used
Suggestion: Use the capitals for two *first* names as well (so
Michael T. Gilbert -> MTG, not MGi). That will lead to fewer
clashes, and for some names you might not be sure if the three parts
are two first names or one surname or vice versa.
> but Ed van Schuijlenburg -> ESc [because lowercase 'v'])
Why not "EvS" as it is now? That sort of abbreviation would also lead
to fewer clashes. Let's avoid the uppercase+lowercase+lowercase when
possible!
> VR Victor A. Rios (Vicar) [VRi = Vivie Risto]
Isn't Vicar really VR's studio, and he is personally involved in only
some of the stories? Should a difference be made? A difference
between Jaime Diaz and Jaime Diaz Studios ought to be made anyway,
right?
Final suggestion: Get rid of the special codes for some sets of two
creators collaborating if you haven't already done so. They only make
it more difficult to find all stories by a particular creator.
--
PSt <(Email removed)> http://www.update.uu.se/~starback
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Gerstein
The Truth About "Byron Erickson"
Message 27 -
1996-09-04 at 04:09:27
OLE:
I guess we're all old enough, here on this list, for me to debunk a
cherished legend of Mouse fandom...
"Byron" recently wrote to us that I was really his alter ego. I
see I shouldn't have written that letter, because now it's confusing things
too much.
What's the real truth? Well, folks, it's about time you learned
that Byron Erickson doesn't exist.
"Byron Erickson" is just a pen name I use when I want to write a
Mickey story where Mickey acts older, and more mature. For the stories
that have Mickey acting sillier, I use my real name.
So when you see a good Mickey story like "Fantasy Island," remember
that "Byron" (hah!) had NOTHING to do with it! ;-)
(THE ABOVE IS ALL A JOKE, GUYS.) I could never reply to Byron's
gag about being ME without getting in a real plum!
Just so you know, I did write the Mickey Mouse nursery-rhyme story,
"A Mouse Against the World". I'm glad you liked it! Hopefully, John will
be able to use it in the United States sometime soon. It's one of the
Mickey stories I had a particularly fun time writing.
DWIGHT:
You're right, "Hannah" does seem to be a WWII-era euphemism. Felix
the Cat often says "Hoppin' Hannah" in comics around 1939-40.
FABIO:
Is Martina the fellow who often had Scrooge chase Donald with a
shotgun? (Sorry to pin that on someone who wrote a great story like "The
Blot's Double Mystery"! ;-)
Byr... er, David Gerstein
(Back to my FLIP THE FISH collection!)
(Email removed)
I guess we're all old enough, here on this list, for me to debunk a
cherished legend of Mouse fandom...
"Byron" recently wrote to us that I was really his alter ego. I
see I shouldn't have written that letter, because now it's confusing things
too much.
What's the real truth? Well, folks, it's about time you learned
that Byron Erickson doesn't exist.
"Byron Erickson" is just a pen name I use when I want to write a
Mickey story where Mickey acts older, and more mature. For the stories
that have Mickey acting sillier, I use my real name.
So when you see a good Mickey story like "Fantasy Island," remember
that "Byron" (hah!) had NOTHING to do with it! ;-)
(THE ABOVE IS ALL A JOKE, GUYS.) I could never reply to Byron's
gag about being ME without getting in a real plum!
Just so you know, I did write the Mickey Mouse nursery-rhyme story,
"A Mouse Against the World". I'm glad you liked it! Hopefully, John will
be able to use it in the United States sometime soon. It's one of the
Mickey stories I had a particularly fun time writing.
DWIGHT:
You're right, "Hannah" does seem to be a WWII-era euphemism. Felix
the Cat often says "Hoppin' Hannah" in comics around 1939-40.
FABIO:
Is Martina the fellow who often had Scrooge chase Donald with a
shotgun? (Sorry to pin that on someone who wrote a great story like "The
Blot's Double Mystery"! ;-)
Byr... er, David Gerstein
(Back to my FLIP THE FISH collection!)
(Email removed)
Markoff
Lesser-known characters
Message 28 -
1996-09-04 at 07:33:57
Harry Fluks has told me of some lesser-known charcters--Li'l Davy from 1950s
stories, and Belle from S-coded Scrooge stories. There are other characters
mentioned in the database who are not on the character page. Can anyone give
enough info on these?
stories, and Belle from S-coded Scrooge stories. There are other characters
mentioned in the database who are not on the character page. Can anyone give
enough info on these?
Arthur De Wolf
Some (?!?) comments
Message 29 -
1996-09-04 at 10:03:26
Hi!
JYRKY VAINIO:
> see an X-files episode about the mystery around Unca Walt's death...
Who knows we'll also see an X-Files episode on the mysterious fourth nephew:
Phooey! Maybe Phooey is in fact some kind of extraterrestrial biological
enitity or maybe he is the result of secret government experimentation
with extraterrestrial DNA or maybe he's an alien mutant ritual serial-killer
that leaves it's cocoon once every ten years to appear in a duck-story or
maybe he's a reincarnation of Bombie the Zombie to take revenge at Scrooge or
maybe ... naaaahhhh!
PIETER VAN CLEEF:
> Let me tell you something about the difference between the readers
> of the Weekly and the Monthly ...
Ahhh ... now I get it! I never knew that! That is indeed a very good reason
for not printing Rosa's stories in the weekly! So the Extra is actually for
more literary stories, like Rosa's ones. Good reason! Sorry that I didn't
recognize that, but when I often talked to some of your people at comic
conventions, they always told these mean things about Don Rosa and I got the
idea that you folks REALLY didn't like his stories, but I guess I was wrong.
You folks DO like his stories and his scripts in particular!
So, don't understand me wrong, I think you folks are doing a REALLY
great job! I think your Disney comics are extremely popular in Holland. I often
travel by trains (to go to school) and I often see people reading Disney comics.
Making Donald Extra into subscription in begin 1995 was also a very good idea.
6,000 subscribers already in May of 1995 is just amazing!
> The second album is lying on my desk for two weeks
> now, so I assume it must be in the shops about now.
I haven't seen it yet. (Don: I will get you a copy as soon as possible, when
it's out). Wouldn't it be a good idea if you continued the "Oom Dagobert"-
series by reprinting Rosa's stories in it? Then you would have the "Beste
Verhalen"-album series reprinting Barks' stories and the other album-series
reprinting Rosa's stories! Then you also could use Rosa's beautiful covers
on these albums! Or isn't it as simple as that? ;-)
> We used a part of Don's original published cover-illustration, and the
> "scan-quality" turned out to be a bit "poor". We had to "polish and
> brush" things up a bit.
If you can do that, why do you complain about buying those covers being
more expensive than making them your own? If I understand it well, you could
simply scan in a cover from a Gladstone-cover and use that one?
> Mind you: 99% of our readers are NOT interested in Don Rosa or
> Van Horn , they are interested in Donald Duck and the upcoming
> adventures and stories.
Mind you that NOONE in Holland can be interested in Don Rosa or Van Horn,
because NOONE knows them! How can they be interested in credits if they don't
know they exist? Lots of Dutch readers probably think Walt Disney himself
drew most of the stories!
But, on the other hand I completely agree with you! I definetely don't
want Dutch Disney comics to happen what happened to American Disney comics.
Hey ... Gladstone and DC printed credits and look what happened to them.
They targeted on a more adult-audience and that didn't work!
HARRY wrote:
> Well, tastes differ. And I'm sure the Dutch editors are doing what
> they think is right.
I also think that! They are sure doing what is exactly right. We shouldn't
compare the Dutch Disney comic market with the American one. It is COMPLETELY
different. And people like us, don't need credits because we know who made the
stories anyway!
ANYONE FROM GERMAN:
I was at Didier's place (which was REALLY great! His collection is
just amazing and Didier is one of the most friendly people I have ever met)
last weekend and he showed me some issues of Der Donaldist. I never knew
that magazine was so full of interesting articles and pictures. And the
paper is also of VERY good quality. I can even read German, so what am
I waiting for? I want to subscribe myself!!! But ... how?
MIKE POHJOLA:
> but I do have rather firm ground under my argument that at least
> 90% of the Finnish over 12-year-old readers ARE interested in Don Rosa
> and Carl Barks
VERY good point! How come that in countries like Sweden, Denmark, Finland,
Italy, Germany, France and Norway Don Rosa IS popular, when they print his name
along his stories, while the market is almost exactly the same as the one in
Holland?
Just take a look at France what they do with their stories. In "Le Journal
the Mickey" they print a very tiny text in the lower right corner of the first
page of every story like "Barks/Van Horn" (that would be the story written by
Barks and drawn by Van Horn). Noone should really be bothered by that, if they're
not interested in it, and it wouldn't fill an entire page of credits, like
Pieter once said!
> I mean people would hardly call you canceling subscriptions and making
> complaints about having to look a small box full of (yuch!) names in
> their comic books..
I think that's also VERY impossible, and credits would use even lesser space
when you do it 'The French way'!
MIKKO HENRI JUHANI AITOLA:
What you said to Pieter van Cleef definetely doesn't count for me! I
think you were a little to harsh with him (although I think everyone should
be able to say on this list what he or she thinks)!
I think Pieter gave very good reasons for all the questions I asked
and suggestions I gave.
ANYONE FROM ITALY:
Didier also showed me two of the new PK-comics. Whoa ... they REALLY
look amazing! What beautiful artwork. It isn't really Disney, but I sure think
they will be very popular. I know that these were only test issues, but does
anyone know yet if they will continue publishing this title in Italy?
Talking about Didier:
DIDIER GHEZ:
So you finally were able to subscribe to the list? After all that time!
I'm glad you're here! Welcome!
People were talking on this list about ordering the one-parters of Rosa,
and I remember something you told me about that in one of your letters. I didn't
exactly understand that, though. You said:
"He (the editor of Picsou) first has to know about the existence of the
story. For this he relies on yearly or bi-yearly reports sent by Egmont listing
all the stories published in Denmark during the past year or 6-month period with
their DANISH code (this is very important to notice since he therefore does not
know the code that would give him access to the one-parter art but only to the
multi-parter art!)".
What did you exactly mean by this last sentence? WHAT does he need to know
to order the one-parter?
PIETER VAN CLEEF:
I was wondering, by the way, does GP plan to make any new series in the
near future? Why not starting a new Mickey-title again? (hint hint)
I was also wondering (for my "Disney Comics Worldwide Interactive Database",
which is going extremely well), if Dutch Disney comics are distributed to other
countries in the world that we don't know of! I know that the weekly is distrbuted to,
let's say Spain in the summer and ofcourse to Belgium, but is it also sold in
other regions of the world where lots of Dutch-speaking people live? Like South
Africa, Namibia or Indonesia?
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney
JYRKY VAINIO:
> see an X-files episode about the mystery around Unca Walt's death...
Who knows we'll also see an X-Files episode on the mysterious fourth nephew:
Phooey! Maybe Phooey is in fact some kind of extraterrestrial biological
enitity or maybe he is the result of secret government experimentation
with extraterrestrial DNA or maybe he's an alien mutant ritual serial-killer
that leaves it's cocoon once every ten years to appear in a duck-story or
maybe he's a reincarnation of Bombie the Zombie to take revenge at Scrooge or
maybe ... naaaahhhh!
PIETER VAN CLEEF:
> Let me tell you something about the difference between the readers
> of the Weekly and the Monthly ...
Ahhh ... now I get it! I never knew that! That is indeed a very good reason
for not printing Rosa's stories in the weekly! So the Extra is actually for
more literary stories, like Rosa's ones. Good reason! Sorry that I didn't
recognize that, but when I often talked to some of your people at comic
conventions, they always told these mean things about Don Rosa and I got the
idea that you folks REALLY didn't like his stories, but I guess I was wrong.
You folks DO like his stories and his scripts in particular!
So, don't understand me wrong, I think you folks are doing a REALLY
great job! I think your Disney comics are extremely popular in Holland. I often
travel by trains (to go to school) and I often see people reading Disney comics.
Making Donald Extra into subscription in begin 1995 was also a very good idea.
6,000 subscribers already in May of 1995 is just amazing!
> The second album is lying on my desk for two weeks
> now, so I assume it must be in the shops about now.
I haven't seen it yet. (Don: I will get you a copy as soon as possible, when
it's out). Wouldn't it be a good idea if you continued the "Oom Dagobert"-
series by reprinting Rosa's stories in it? Then you would have the "Beste
Verhalen"-album series reprinting Barks' stories and the other album-series
reprinting Rosa's stories! Then you also could use Rosa's beautiful covers
on these albums! Or isn't it as simple as that? ;-)
> We used a part of Don's original published cover-illustration, and the
> "scan-quality" turned out to be a bit "poor". We had to "polish and
> brush" things up a bit.
If you can do that, why do you complain about buying those covers being
more expensive than making them your own? If I understand it well, you could
simply scan in a cover from a Gladstone-cover and use that one?
> Mind you: 99% of our readers are NOT interested in Don Rosa or
> Van Horn , they are interested in Donald Duck and the upcoming
> adventures and stories.
Mind you that NOONE in Holland can be interested in Don Rosa or Van Horn,
because NOONE knows them! How can they be interested in credits if they don't
know they exist? Lots of Dutch readers probably think Walt Disney himself
drew most of the stories!
But, on the other hand I completely agree with you! I definetely don't
want Dutch Disney comics to happen what happened to American Disney comics.
Hey ... Gladstone and DC printed credits and look what happened to them.
They targeted on a more adult-audience and that didn't work!
HARRY wrote:
> Well, tastes differ. And I'm sure the Dutch editors are doing what
> they think is right.
I also think that! They are sure doing what is exactly right. We shouldn't
compare the Dutch Disney comic market with the American one. It is COMPLETELY
different. And people like us, don't need credits because we know who made the
stories anyway!
ANYONE FROM GERMAN:
I was at Didier's place (which was REALLY great! His collection is
just amazing and Didier is one of the most friendly people I have ever met)
last weekend and he showed me some issues of Der Donaldist. I never knew
that magazine was so full of interesting articles and pictures. And the
paper is also of VERY good quality. I can even read German, so what am
I waiting for? I want to subscribe myself!!! But ... how?
MIKE POHJOLA:
> but I do have rather firm ground under my argument that at least
> 90% of the Finnish over 12-year-old readers ARE interested in Don Rosa
> and Carl Barks
VERY good point! How come that in countries like Sweden, Denmark, Finland,
Italy, Germany, France and Norway Don Rosa IS popular, when they print his name
along his stories, while the market is almost exactly the same as the one in
Holland?
Just take a look at France what they do with their stories. In "Le Journal
the Mickey" they print a very tiny text in the lower right corner of the first
page of every story like "Barks/Van Horn" (that would be the story written by
Barks and drawn by Van Horn). Noone should really be bothered by that, if they're
not interested in it, and it wouldn't fill an entire page of credits, like
Pieter once said!
> I mean people would hardly call you canceling subscriptions and making
> complaints about having to look a small box full of (yuch!) names in
> their comic books..
I think that's also VERY impossible, and credits would use even lesser space
when you do it 'The French way'!
MIKKO HENRI JUHANI AITOLA:
What you said to Pieter van Cleef definetely doesn't count for me! I
think you were a little to harsh with him (although I think everyone should
be able to say on this list what he or she thinks)!
I think Pieter gave very good reasons for all the questions I asked
and suggestions I gave.
ANYONE FROM ITALY:
Didier also showed me two of the new PK-comics. Whoa ... they REALLY
look amazing! What beautiful artwork. It isn't really Disney, but I sure think
they will be very popular. I know that these were only test issues, but does
anyone know yet if they will continue publishing this title in Italy?
Talking about Didier:
DIDIER GHEZ:
So you finally were able to subscribe to the list? After all that time!
I'm glad you're here! Welcome!
People were talking on this list about ordering the one-parters of Rosa,
and I remember something you told me about that in one of your letters. I didn't
exactly understand that, though. You said:
"He (the editor of Picsou) first has to know about the existence of the
story. For this he relies on yearly or bi-yearly reports sent by Egmont listing
all the stories published in Denmark during the past year or 6-month period with
their DANISH code (this is very important to notice since he therefore does not
know the code that would give him access to the one-parter art but only to the
multi-parter art!)".
What did you exactly mean by this last sentence? WHAT does he need to know
to order the one-parter?
PIETER VAN CLEEF:
I was wondering, by the way, does GP plan to make any new series in the
near future? Why not starting a new Mickey-title again? (hint hint)
I was also wondering (for my "Disney Comics Worldwide Interactive Database",
which is going extremely well), if Dutch Disney comics are distributed to other
countries in the world that we don't know of! I know that the weekly is distrbuted to,
let's say Spain in the summer and ofcourse to Belgium, but is it also sold in
other regions of the world where lots of Dutch-speaking people live? Like South
Africa, Namibia or Indonesia?
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney
Frank Fabian
Time travel stories
Message 30 -
1996-09-04 at 10:44:41
Hi Arthur,
I'm a bit behind in digests and just recently read your question about the
Time travel stories in German "Big Fun Comics" Nr. 1. I also liked the story
by Rota very much; it was also an enjoyably LONG story and very nicely
drawn, as all stories by Rota I know.
The first of these time travel stories, also drawn by Rota, was published
way back in 1989. in Germany, it was published as a supplement to an issue
of the Micky Maus weekly (very nicely done, cover by Rota, pure comic from
beginning to end, no ads). In this story you can also read the beginning of
Donald's and the nephews' odyssey through time; they travel back to the time
of the Vikings in it.
The publishers promised further installments of the series, but as far as I
can remember, there were none (I'll have to look it up, though, somewhere in
the back of my head I think there was another installment about the stone
age). I was delighted to find this further installment by Rota in this book,
which otherwise almost exclusively reprints stories that were run in the
weekly 10 to 15 years ago.
I don't have story codes handy at the moment, but will look them up. Until
then, I hope this helps.
Best regards, Frank
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Wuerttembergische Landesbibliothek Frank Fabian
Konrad-Adenauer Str. 8 Tel.: 49-711-212 4383
Abt. Katalogisierung Periodika (KaP) Fax.: 49-711-212 4437
70173 Stuttgart mail:(Email removed)
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I'm a bit behind in digests and just recently read your question about the
Time travel stories in German "Big Fun Comics" Nr. 1. I also liked the story
by Rota very much; it was also an enjoyably LONG story and very nicely
drawn, as all stories by Rota I know.
The first of these time travel stories, also drawn by Rota, was published
way back in 1989. in Germany, it was published as a supplement to an issue
of the Micky Maus weekly (very nicely done, cover by Rota, pure comic from
beginning to end, no ads). In this story you can also read the beginning of
Donald's and the nephews' odyssey through time; they travel back to the time
of the Vikings in it.
The publishers promised further installments of the series, but as far as I
can remember, there were none (I'll have to look it up, though, somewhere in
the back of my head I think there was another installment about the stone
age). I was delighted to find this further installment by Rota in this book,
which otherwise almost exclusively reprints stories that were run in the
weekly 10 to 15 years ago.
I don't have story codes handy at the moment, but will look them up. Until
then, I hope this helps.
Best regards, Frank
****************************************************************************
********
Wuerttembergische Landesbibliothek Frank Fabian
Konrad-Adenauer Str. 8 Tel.: 49-711-212 4383
Abt. Katalogisierung Periodika (KaP) Fax.: 49-711-212 4437
70173 Stuttgart mail:(Email removed)
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