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Per Starback
Surely not being born doesn't stop a person like Oscar Wilde.
Seriously he appears among the creators as he's credited with the plot
for one story in the Database. You will find William Shakespeare
there as well. As those fellows couldn't work directly for Egmont or
Gladstone or even for Western they had to publish their works in other
ways and then wait for someone else to adapt their stories into Disney
comics stories. Surely not ideal working conditions, but plotting
Disney comics was never easy work.

Taking a look at the index pages for those two I find that they are
empty however, as all stories involved are "unsolved" in the database.
I'll fix it so that creators whose indexes are empty will be excluded
for the creator list.
Arthur De Wolf
Hi!

HARRY FLUKS:
> I'm glad the Dutch have a symbol to replace the $ in the Scrooge
> comics (on the money bin, for instance).
Of what I've seen in Italian Disney comics, I noticed that they always keep
the dollar symbols. I think that's the best way. Is that in all Italian
Disney comics?
Maybe they do that, because if Scrooge would have filled his money-
bin with Italian lires, the entire contents of the bin would be worthless? ;-)

JONATHAN MARKOFF:
> I must commend their promptness--they replied after only three weeks
> after I sent the message! Great contrast to the Spanish Disney
> publisher, who hasn't replied to me since June.
That's probably because the Spanish Disney publisher is so busy printing
credits with every story and sending copies of their issues to the creators
of the stories. They don't need to do that in Holland, so that's why they
could comment on your letter so fast! ;-)
Naaaahhh ... this is a sick joke. I'm sorry, I didn't mean it!

> Could you publish some Superduck stories?
Are you sure you want to see those? ;-)

DWIGHT DECKER:
> The shipping time of the magazine is at most 2 weeks. (huh? Do
> they mean it usually takes two weeks to arrive?)
In the beginning of the letter, they said that they'll send it by SAL. Is
that the same term as they use in the States? In case it's not: There
are three ways of sending something to foreign countries in the Netherlands.
You can send it all the way by air-mail. Then the package would fly to,
for instance, New York and then with another plane to your place. You could
also send it by SAL, which means that it's going to fly by plane half the
way, until it is in New York, where it will be transported further by land, like
trains! And the last one is the slowest one, where there won't be any
airplanes at all and the package will go by boats, trains and trucks.

WILMER RIVERS:
> does it in fact cause a real dollar sign to be printed
> on your computer screens over there in Europe, or does the symbol
> for your local currency show up instead?
What do you mean? When you type a "$" (that's above the letter "4" on my
keyboard), people in Europe get the sign of their own currency? No, that's
not the case! We all get dollarsigns. I think that's because the dollarsign
is number 36 in the ASCII-table and that means that it is the same everywhere!
I think the letters that may be different on other computers are the letters
with the ASCII-codes above 128 (like ë, ô, û and ç), because then they are in
the extended ASCII-set and those can be different elsewhere. Am I right?

HARALD HAVAS:
> "That's Donald"-sticker-Album by Panini.
I've also seen it in the stores in Holland! I have a Panini-album called "Donald
Story" (1991) and for that album, there were lots of stickers with even panels
from Barks-stories. Isn't that the case with "That's Donald"?
For everyone who's not familiar with the Panini albums, there's an article
about Panini on my website in the Special Features-section (choose number 10).

Bye!

Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney
Danny Coenen
DON:
How about that castle or ruin or whatever it is out of WDC 60?
Or the mansion from the opening panel of WDC 154?
That rock formation from WDC 67?
The skyline from FC 108?
Shacktown (FC 367)?
The TV-building from WDC 99 and WDC 152?
The Lighthouse from US 23?
Bear Mountain (FC 178)?

I think it is really great that you ask people for things to put in
your stories. It would be very special to me to know that a certain detail
in a story is there because of me. Many people who work in the business
probably won`t understand that, but for me that would really be a great
thing.
BTW, I hope your questions about Ludwig van Drake are out of personal
interest. Please don`t include him in one of your stories!!! He is one of
my least favorite Disney characters ever created.

WHOEVER CARES:
Gladstone`s e-mail address is (Email removed) Surprise, that`s of course
Gary`s address, too. Stupid me didn`t think of that earlier. I am sorry for
that.
Danny Coenen
Kopernikusstr. 18 Tel. :
(049)2461/56129
D-52428 Juelich
Germany EU e-mail :
(Email removed)
Mikko Aittola
First of all I'm sorry I put words to Gary Browns mouth.
I try to be more careful next time.

I'm also sorry that I posted the same message here twice,
but for some reason I received two digests after I sent
it the first time, and I thought it didn't make it, so
I re-sent it.

/Mikko
Marco Barlotti
DWIGHT:
> Something tickling at the back of my mind
>insists that there's a kind of pasta called "rotelle," in the
>shape of little wheels or discs. I'm wondering if what happened
>was this...the Italians wanted to use the story, but the pun
>was impossible to translate (it's kind of far-fetched even in
>English), and there wasn't a good way to rewrite the story and
>still use the existing artwork. Then somebody thought of the
>pasta called rotelle, and had the art retouched to make what
>had been stones into little gears so that the pun would work.

There is now that kind of pasta, but it did'nt exist (or at least was not
popular at all) when the "scones/stones" story first appeared in Italy. And
anyway the story carries on clearly dealing with pancakes (er... scones) so
the reference to pasta wouldn't have made any sense anyway.

> I'm thinking
>of the Christmas story that depends on somebody assuming the
>plural of "moose" is "meese."

Aha! That was the next one I was going to ask help about!
The italian translation has "alci" ("mooses") everywhere. We readers guess
that somewhere there must be some misunderstanding between $crooge and the
nephews, but I never could say what.
Who's willing to tell me how the pun goes?
And what about other countries? Did they attempt a translation anywhere?

>Puns are a translator's nightmare.

I remember the first time after many years when the UK devalued the pound
sterling. It was, if I remember well, a strip with the Wizard of Id.
Blanche comes in running: "My God, they've devalued the pound! I wonder how
much I'll weigh now!"
In Italy we have two definitively different words for the pound sterling
("sterlina") and the weight unit pound ("libbra"). In the translation of the
strip, they used "libbra", which of course didn't make any sense.

JACOB

>Who's behind the Italian "life and family of Gyro" type stories? (They aren't
>presented as a series, but they look alike.)

I have no words. Never seen this kind of stories in Italy. Are you sure they
are italian? not from Brazil? (Alipio, where are you?) not from France?
Could you tell us some CODES?

Marco
Jacob Sparre Andersen
I wrote:

|^^^^^^^^^^
| Who's behind the Italian "life and family of Gyro" type stories? (They
| aren't presented as a series, but they look alike.)
|__________

And Marco "had no words":

> I have no words. Never seen this kind of stories in Italy. Are you sure they
> are italian? not from Brazil? (Alipio, where are you?) not from France?
> Could you tell us some CODES?

This is the most recent one:

"Hjælp fra Japan" [I 2088], 31 pages in Jumbobog 183.
Gyro, Little Helper, DD, DA, HDL (and JW), US, Grandma Duck, Gus Goose,
Super Duck.

The story code, the publication and the style all points to Italy!
I'll have to reread my newest comics to find the other stories I was thinking
of.

Greetings,

Jacob
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Anders Engwall
JAN LUND THOMSEN:

> There also was a Super-Chip and a Super-Dale once. They accidentally got
> some of Goofy's peanuts and used their newfound super-powers to get even with
> some denizen of the forest. Anyone remember this story?

Yeah, sure. That's from WDC 397 (AA 74-49), right?

As others already pointed out, there are several other stories along these
lines. I think the oddest pairing has to be the one where Scamp becomes a
super pup like this. I don't think the characters from the Scamp universe
ever mixed with characters from elsewhere -- except here. This oddity can be
found in WDC 357.

---
Anders Engwall

"Alle man står still som en stum fisk, tills vi hittar den knyckta stångkorven!"
Harald Havas
DON
I think you should include Ludvig - besides his Italian appearances
he is quite commonly known in the German speaking araea - and with
about 100 million people this is the biggest language-chunk we have
in Europe. I think a lot of people around here like him because of his
seemingly German name (Prof. Primus von Quack BTW), making him the
only duck with German origins. (In some comics it's even claimed, that
he's from Austria! Yeah!)

RE: Translations of puns and cultural references
Dont tell me about it - I translated 3 years of Krazy-Kat-Sundays
(yes, it IS possible) to German... and could write a book on the process!

$ vs. Taler
Yes, the Germans remove all the $-references (on Srooges money-bin
you would find a giant DD - for Dagobert Duck), which is kinda sad,
BUT: "Taler" is an ancient, more or less mythological, currency! For
Cents the translator (Fuchs again) used "Kreuzer" - but the actual
currency in Germany is, of course, Mark and Pfennig. If this was done,
because the German edition also appears in Austria (Schillng and
Groschen) and Switzerland (Franken and Rappen) and German-Speaking
North-Italy (Lira and - now extinct - Centesimi), or just to remove
the whole money-thing from reality, I dont know.
It certainly adds to the "out of this world" feeling the German
Duck-comics radiate, putting Duckburgh on a very mythological plane.
"Taler", BTW is the historical source for - tataa - Dollar...

WILMER
When you print a $ we get a $ all right! It's on all international
keyboards, as this sign is a) necessary for buisness and b) sometimes
also used for different means (like in programming a Commodore 64)

ASS-TIME
Now it's my turn to make an ass out of myself...
"What I always wanted to know, but was to ashamed to ask"-Dept.:
Pleass would someone explain, what it is exactly that Don puts on page
1 of his comics - a D.U.C.K.? Does this mean ... in letters? Or a
head? Or a "real" duck? I just don't know!
Omigosh, what a question on a list like this... please, don't hate me?

Harald

--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)
Deckerd
On Sep 25, 11:56am, Marco Barlotti wrote:
> Subject: word puns and translations

> > I'm thinking
> >of the Christmas story that depends on somebody assuming the
> >plural of "moose" is "meese."
>
> Aha! That was the next one I was going to ask help about!
> The italian translation has "alci" ("mooses") everywhere. We readers
guess
> that somewhere there must be some misunderstanding between $crooge
and the
> nephews, but I never could say what.
> Who's willing to tell me how the pun goes?

Scrooge asked for 100 geese, but the letter "g" was burned off
the note, leaving "eese." The nephews assume Scrooge must have
meant 100 "meese," but meese are hard to catch and content
themselves with just the two. The problem here is that the real
plural of moose is moose. One moose, two moose, three moose.
There is no such word as "meese." The joke has to do with
irregular English plurals, since the plural of goose is geese.
It's just not a mistake anybody would make, and it's always
seemed to me a weak part of that story. Harry Fluks mentioned
that the Dutch translation based it on confusion between ganzen
and elanden, with the artwork changed to add another hole in the
note so more letters would be missing, and that seemed to me to
be far more plausible than the original.

--Dwight (he's worried about plausibility with talking ducks?) Decker
Arthur De Wolf
Hi!

About UNCLE SCROOGE #300:
They colored the Van Horn-story in this issue a little wrong. The entire
purpose of the story is that the ducks find some guy on an island wearing a
red feather on his hat. The ducks know that the guy's feather is red, because
they've seen and spoke to him on the fourth page. Only problem is, they colored
his feather blue! Hah ... what a joke!

About SINGAPORE COMIC:
Talking about mistakes, I received a Mickey Mouse comic from Singapore
today. Looks terrific. There are reprints from Danish and Dutch stories in it,
including a Dutch story coded H8112. The story is titled "Uncle Scrooge in Hat
Chasing". Only problem is that Scrooge isn't even in that story. The story is
only about Donald. They even printed a line on the cover saying: "Uncle Scrooge
in Hat Chasing". Hah ... what a joke!

About DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN:
I just want to say that Daniel has some problem with his internet provider.
His provider stopped providing, so now he doesn't have internet-access anymore.
We hope that he'll be on-line again soon. Until then, we'll have to do without
him here ... If anyone has any important messages for Daniel, he can write me or
Harry and we'll be able to contact him by phone!

To HARALD HAVAS:
> D.U.C.K.?
It means "Dedicated to Unca Carl from Keno", 'Carl' being Carl Barks and 'Keno'
being Don Rosa and 'from' being an English preposition. It's not only on the
first pages of Rosa's stories, but also on most of his covers.

Bye!

Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney
Mark Mayerson
Did I miss something, or wasn't there supposed to be a reprint of
Walt Kelly's gremlin material in WDC&S 606? Has it been killed
or rescheduled, or has it already appeared? Please let me know.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Catapult Productions
Internet: (Email removed) Toronto, Ontario, Canada
In Production: Monster By Mistake (416) 504-9876
Gary Leach
JONATHAN:

Gladstone has no plans to publish any Superduck stories. This might change
if our Pennywise books prove successful; they, even more than the late but
largely unlamented Walt Disney Giant series, are geared to presenting more
offbeat material than our regular titles.

PEKKA:

I wish I could tell you about The Duck Man video tape, but I haven't seen
it. However, I do know more about the tape cover than anyone else on the
planet!
Arthur De Wolf
Hi!

GARY LEACH:
Can you tell us more about those 'Pennywise' comicbooks?

Bye!

Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney

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Sven-Oliver Troschke
Hi, OLE! (Sorry to all the others, but I couldn't reach Ole
under his private email address

(Email removed)

since last sunday. So I decided to put this message on
the list, although it is of no common interest.)

You wrote to me on the Disney Comics mailing list:
> Hi, you _must_ be new on the list: everybody knows
> that indexes go straight to Harry <(Email removed)>! :)
> You are welcome to send it to me too. Jacob Sparre has
> a Danish index for the Super Duck stories, and since I'm
> about to cross check it with my own _and_ can rely on
> the assistance of Jan, Super Expert Extra-ordinary, I
> may as well 'double cross check' with yours.

Yes, you're right. I'm new on the list. I'm there since #196.
Thanks for the information on where to send my Super-Duck
index. I discovered that I have to do some more work on
the index before I can send it to Harry. Namely I have not
written down the story code numbers yet. As I saw from
other indices on the Disney Comics net pages this is
what has to be done. Up to now I could only provide the
German titles of the stories and where they were published.
But that wouldn't suffice. Also you couldn't use this to
'double cross check'.

As soon as I have completed this work, I will send the index
to Harry and to you. But unfortunately this could take some
time, since I have these comics at my parents place (270
km from here) and since I will go for a 10 day holiday on
Friday.

Greetings
Sven
Sven-Oliver Troschke
Hi, OLE! (Sorry to all the others, but I couldn't reach Ole
under his private email address

(Email removed)

since last sunday. So I decided to put this message on
the list, although it is of _no_ common interest.)

You wrote to me on the Disney Comics mailing list:
> Hi, you _must_ be new on the list: everybody knows
> that indexes go straight to Harry <(Email removed)>! :)
> You are welcome to send it to me too. Jacob Sparre has
> a Danish index for the Super Duck stories, and since I'm
> about to cross check it with my own _and_ can rely on
> the assistance of Jan, Super Expert Extra-ordinary, I
> may as well 'double cross check' with yours.

Yes, you're right. I'm new on the list. I'm there since #196.
Thanks for the information on where to send my Super-Duck
index. I discovered that I have to do some more work on
the index before I can send it to Harry. Namely I have not
written down the story code numbers yet. As I saw from
other indices on the Disney Comics net pages this is
what has to be done. Up to now I could only provide the
German titles of the stories and where they were published.
But that wouldn't suffice. Also you couldn't use this to
'double cross check'.

As soon as I have completed this work, I will send the index
to Harry and to you. But unfortunately this could take some
time, since I have these comics at my parents place (270
km from here) and since I will go for a 10 day holiday on
Friday.

Greetings
Sven
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