DAVID:
You say U$A #42 will have "The Treasure of Marco Polo"? I thought that
story was banned because of violence and stereotypes. This is one Barks
story I thought I'd never see. I guess edited is better than nothing.
-Shaun
Author
Topic: 199609
(378 messages)
Shaun M. Knowler
Banned Reprint
Message 91 -
1996-09-08 at 20:25:20
Per Starback
Accented characters will work better now
Message 92 -
1996-09-08 at 20:47:00
It has become more and more common that people on the list have
discovered that they have problems writing "strange" characters, such
as accented letters, to the list. Instead there have been strange
sequences starting with equal signs.
Here's a short technical explanation on what's going on: MIME
(Multi-purpose Internet Mail Extensions) is a standard for mail
programs to tell the program on the other end what kind of data the
mail consists of and how it is coded. This way it's possible to send
stuff in mail that wasn't possible to send in the old days, like
texts with accented letters or images or sounds.
When you sent messages like that to the list they went out as
intended to those subscribers who subscribe to the "reflector list",
but not to the digests. The special headers with the MIME information
would be left in the middle of the digests where the receiving mail
programs wouldn't find them. (They should be in the header of the
mail.)
The *right* way to fix this is to mark the digests as being of the
MIME type "multipart/digest". Then mail programs that know about this
stuff will know that the mail consists of many mail messages and that
each of those could contain their own headers that say what character
set (Greek? Cyrillic?) it is written in etc. This is exactly what
SmartList does by default.
Unfortunately though, too many of you use buggy software that *tries*
to follow these standards but don't succeed and instead make a mess
out of it all. (Older software that knows nothing about MIME
constitutes no problems -- of course the special stuff won't work, but
there will be no extra problems beyond that.) When these digests were
like that there were lots of complaints from lots of you about how it
wasn't working. I still think you should try to upgrade to less buggy
software of pressure those you pay serious money to get Internet
access from to offer working mail programs for you, but I gave up and
removed the MIME declaration from the digests, and that's why there
now has been problems with accented characters.
(Oops, that didn't come out as short as I had intended it to be.)
Anyway, this is the news: Almost of the messages to the list that
aren't plain ASCII messages are written in "ISO 8859-1" and coded with
"quoted printables". I have now done a dirty hack that assumes that
this *always* is the case, and will send out digests coded like that
if any of those characters appear in that digest. It seems to work.
--
Per Starbäck <(Email removed)> http://www.update.uu.se/~starback
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
discovered that they have problems writing "strange" characters, such
as accented letters, to the list. Instead there have been strange
sequences starting with equal signs.
Here's a short technical explanation on what's going on: MIME
(Multi-purpose Internet Mail Extensions) is a standard for mail
programs to tell the program on the other end what kind of data the
mail consists of and how it is coded. This way it's possible to send
stuff in mail that wasn't possible to send in the old days, like
texts with accented letters or images or sounds.
When you sent messages like that to the list they went out as
intended to those subscribers who subscribe to the "reflector list",
but not to the digests. The special headers with the MIME information
would be left in the middle of the digests where the receiving mail
programs wouldn't find them. (They should be in the header of the
mail.)
The *right* way to fix this is to mark the digests as being of the
MIME type "multipart/digest". Then mail programs that know about this
stuff will know that the mail consists of many mail messages and that
each of those could contain their own headers that say what character
set (Greek? Cyrillic?) it is written in etc. This is exactly what
SmartList does by default.
Unfortunately though, too many of you use buggy software that *tries*
to follow these standards but don't succeed and instead make a mess
out of it all. (Older software that knows nothing about MIME
constitutes no problems -- of course the special stuff won't work, but
there will be no extra problems beyond that.) When these digests were
like that there were lots of complaints from lots of you about how it
wasn't working. I still think you should try to upgrade to less buggy
software of pressure those you pay serious money to get Internet
access from to offer working mail programs for you, but I gave up and
removed the MIME declaration from the digests, and that's why there
now has been problems with accented characters.
(Oops, that didn't come out as short as I had intended it to be.)
Anyway, this is the news: Almost of the messages to the list that
aren't plain ASCII messages are written in "ISO 8859-1" and coded with
"quoted printables". I have now done a dirty hack that assumes that
this *always* is the case, and will send out digests coded like that
if any of those characters appear in that digest. It seems to work.
--
Per Starbäck <(Email removed)> http://www.update.uu.se/~starback
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Harry Fluks
Frank, Mike, Don
Message 93 -
1996-09-08 at 21:46:05
FRANK:
> I read your info concerning the time travel stories' Dutch publication. You
> stated that the first Rota story had 44 pages. Does this include a cover?
No, the story itself was 44 pages. Either Germany is missing a page,
or one of us miscounted.
MIKE:
> Is there some logical reason for you and the index-readers having
> to go through all this "WVH-WHo-WvH-Wil-Hor-WiH-WH" trouble when it
> would be easier to just use the whole name?
1. For me and the other *indexers* it's easier to just type WVH in stead of
William Van Horn, every time we index one of his stories.
2. For me as the index *maintainer* it save a lot of storage when often
occurring names are abbreviated. Storage is not a problem per se, but I
often copy the database files from one system (e.g. at work) to another
(e.g. home) using floppy disks.
3. For you as an index *reader*, you'd prefer the full name, except when
you're printing a big index and want to use as little space as possible (only 80
columns, for instance).
I plan to use the full names on the web pages (though Per doesn't know that
yet 8-), and the abbreviations in the ASCII (text) files on the ftp site.
BTW, in every file where abbreviations are used, a legend at the end
of the file gives the full names. Example:
BTW = By The Way.
8-)
DON:
> I'm still not sure if I'm "in touch" with BP
You're improving (you once called the company "QV"), but the actual name
of the Dutch publisher is "GP".
--Harry.
> I read your info concerning the time travel stories' Dutch publication. You
> stated that the first Rota story had 44 pages. Does this include a cover?
No, the story itself was 44 pages. Either Germany is missing a page,
or one of us miscounted.
MIKE:
> Is there some logical reason for you and the index-readers having
> to go through all this "WVH-WHo-WvH-Wil-Hor-WiH-WH" trouble when it
> would be easier to just use the whole name?
1. For me and the other *indexers* it's easier to just type WVH in stead of
William Van Horn, every time we index one of his stories.
2. For me as the index *maintainer* it save a lot of storage when often
occurring names are abbreviated. Storage is not a problem per se, but I
often copy the database files from one system (e.g. at work) to another
(e.g. home) using floppy disks.
3. For you as an index *reader*, you'd prefer the full name, except when
you're printing a big index and want to use as little space as possible (only 80
columns, for instance).
I plan to use the full names on the web pages (though Per doesn't know that
yet 8-), and the abbreviations in the ASCII (text) files on the ftp site.
BTW, in every file where abbreviations are used, a legend at the end
of the file gives the full names. Example:
BTW = By The Way.
8-)
DON:
> I'm still not sure if I'm "in touch" with BP
You're improving (you once called the company "QV"), but the actual name
of the Dutch publisher is "GP".
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Disney comics Database
Message 94 -
1996-09-08 at 21:53:08
PER:
Apart from the *short* and *long* versions of the database web pages,
I have a proposal for a *very long* layout. 8-)
I'll show you somewhere this week.
> I for one think that
> "MdM" would be easier than "MMa" to associate with "Merril de Maris"
OK, I'll stick to EvS for Eddy van Schuijlenburg. But how does one spell
American names? Merill de Maris (MdM) or Merill De Maris (MDM)?
Apart from the *short* and *long* versions of the database web pages,
I have a proposal for a *very long* layout. 8-)
I'll show you somewhere this week.
> I for one think that
> "MdM" would be easier than "MMa" to associate with "Merril de Maris"
OK, I'll stick to EvS for Eddy van Schuijlenburg. But how does one spell
American names? Merill de Maris (MdM) or Merill De Maris (MDM)?
Harry Fluks
Daan Jippes
Message 95 -
1996-09-08 at 21:57:46
Jonathan:
> Is Daan quite a common Dutch name?
I would say quite common. At least in Amsterdam. Daan is short
for Daniel.
(I once thought Daan Jippes was from Friesland, because his last
name is Frisian. But Daan was born in Amsterdam, so his
ancestors must have moved there.)
--Harry.
(for the 99% of the world that doesn't know: Amsterdam is NOT in
Friesland. 8-)
> Is Daan quite a common Dutch name?
I would say quite common. At least in Amsterdam. Daan is short
for Daniel.
(I once thought Daan Jippes was from Friesland, because his last
name is Frisian. But Daan was born in Amsterdam, so his
ancestors must have moved there.)
--Harry.
(for the 99% of the world that doesn't know: Amsterdam is NOT in
Friesland. 8-)
Stefan Printz-Pahlson
Time Machine Albums
Message 96 -
1996-09-08 at 22:27:36
AN APOLOGY FROM THE PRINTZ
Shame on me! I'm Stefan Printz-Pahlson, and I'm truly sorry that it's taken
me so long to respond to the queries about "The Time Machine" stories. In
my defence I can only tell you that I've had lot's of other things to do,
(amongst them writing *new* adventures for our favourite water fowl) and
then it just sort of - well, slipped my mind.
Anyway, the concept of Donald and the kids floating about helplessly
thought time and space in one of Gyro Gearloose's useless time machines was
introduced by fellow Egmont editor Lars Bergstrom and myself in 1986. We
spent two days away from work to plot the first "Viking" adventure, and
then asked one of our American writers (Tom Anderson) to script it. We
introduced the idea to Marco Rota at a meeting in Copenhagen later that
year, and then proceeded to work with Marco in Milan to finish the album.
Regarding credits for the *other* time machine stories I'll have to check
my files back at Egmont first (I'm mailing this from my home in Malmo,
Sweden). But, rest assured: the info will be forthcoming. Soon.
And, hey! Great way to use the information highway in the sky, Byron. Why
just "embarrass" a colleague at work when you can do it globally on the
Internet? Modern computer technology is truly wonderful. Thanx, pal :-)
Stefan Printz-P=E5hlson
Shame on me! I'm Stefan Printz-Pahlson, and I'm truly sorry that it's taken
me so long to respond to the queries about "The Time Machine" stories. In
my defence I can only tell you that I've had lot's of other things to do,
(amongst them writing *new* adventures for our favourite water fowl) and
then it just sort of - well, slipped my mind.
Anyway, the concept of Donald and the kids floating about helplessly
thought time and space in one of Gyro Gearloose's useless time machines was
introduced by fellow Egmont editor Lars Bergstrom and myself in 1986. We
spent two days away from work to plot the first "Viking" adventure, and
then asked one of our American writers (Tom Anderson) to script it. We
introduced the idea to Marco Rota at a meeting in Copenhagen later that
year, and then proceeded to work with Marco in Milan to finish the album.
Regarding credits for the *other* time machine stories I'll have to check
my files back at Egmont first (I'm mailing this from my home in Malmo,
Sweden). But, rest assured: the info will be forthcoming. Soon.
And, hey! Great way to use the information highway in the sky, Byron. Why
just "embarrass" a colleague at work when you can do it globally on the
Internet? Modern computer technology is truly wonderful. Thanx, pal :-)
Stefan Printz-P=E5hlson
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V96 #193
Message 97 -
1996-09-08 at 23:03:06
HARALD:
Ah! There you are! I had just been asking a few folks like Arthur where you
were! I hope you don't disappear on us too often -- you are certainly a
great addition to these "ranks" where we (and the world) can pop in here and
see casual discussions by some of the world's best Disney comics experts.
That was my idea when I spotted you waxing eloquent about Disney comics (and
wasting your breath) over on one of those general Disney forums and
"recruited" you to join us here. But I need to make a note of your e-mail
address so I don't lose track of you again -- is it that address made up of
a jumble of numbers?
Ah! There you are! I had just been asking a few folks like Arthur where you
were! I hope you don't disappear on us too often -- you are certainly a
great addition to these "ranks" where we (and the world) can pop in here and
see casual discussions by some of the world's best Disney comics experts.
That was my idea when I spotted you waxing eloquent about Disney comics (and
wasting your breath) over on one of those general Disney forums and
"recruited" you to join us here. But I need to make a note of your e-mail
address so I don't lose track of you again -- is it that address made up of
a jumble of numbers?
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Gladstone Nov '96
Message 98 -
1996-09-09 at 02:41:14
Whoops - sorry this report is so late in coming. I've been getting
used to my new school/work schedule. I also have about ten days'
worth of digests to catch up on. UGH
Solicited in Diamond's PREVIEWS for books shipping in November 1996:
* DUCK MAN: AN INTERVIEW WITH CARL BARKS VIDEO
90 minute video of the 1975 interview with Unca Carl. $29.95
* DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES #42
"The Saga of Sourdough Sam" by Paul Murray
"The Kangaroo Kid" from Donald Duck #92
$1.50
* UNCLE $CROOGE #302
"Monkey Business" by Carl Barks
"The Tell Tale Hand" by Tony Strobl
$1.50
* WALT DISNEY'S COMICS AND STORIES
"Sleepless in Duckburg" by WVH
"Stranded in Time" by Don Rosa (part 2 of 3)
"Plastic Mickey" by Michael T. Gilbert and Caesar Ferioli
"Christmas on Bear Mountain" by Carl Barks
[I am really looking forward to this, not ever having read
this story. I'm interested in the connection between it an Don's
Lo$]
$5.95
* UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #13
"Land Beneath the Ground"
$8.95
* UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #14
"The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan"
$8.95
* UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES #43
"Queen of the Wild Dog Pack" by Carl Barks
$1.50
This month Gladstone's solicitation appears on page 229, right
opposite a full-page ad for Stroman/Johnson's Tribe, a superhero-like
book filled with lots of large T&A. It is on the same page with a
full color promo for "Widow/Luxura: Blood Lust Alpha." UGH
-Augie
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) * (Email removed)
http://daniel.drew.edu/~adebliec/index.html
"Just how well does the subconscious hold its liquor?" -Duncan, "VR.5"
used to my new school/work schedule. I also have about ten days'
worth of digests to catch up on. UGH
Solicited in Diamond's PREVIEWS for books shipping in November 1996:
* DUCK MAN: AN INTERVIEW WITH CARL BARKS VIDEO
90 minute video of the 1975 interview with Unca Carl. $29.95
* DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES #42
"The Saga of Sourdough Sam" by Paul Murray
"The Kangaroo Kid" from Donald Duck #92
$1.50
* UNCLE $CROOGE #302
"Monkey Business" by Carl Barks
"The Tell Tale Hand" by Tony Strobl
$1.50
* WALT DISNEY'S COMICS AND STORIES
"Sleepless in Duckburg" by WVH
"Stranded in Time" by Don Rosa (part 2 of 3)
"Plastic Mickey" by Michael T. Gilbert and Caesar Ferioli
"Christmas on Bear Mountain" by Carl Barks
[I am really looking forward to this, not ever having read
this story. I'm interested in the connection between it an Don's
Lo$]
$5.95
* UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #13
"Land Beneath the Ground"
$8.95
* UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #14
"The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan"
$8.95
* UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES #43
"Queen of the Wild Dog Pack" by Carl Barks
$1.50
This month Gladstone's solicitation appears on page 229, right
opposite a full-page ad for Stroman/Johnson's Tribe, a superhero-like
book filled with lots of large T&A. It is on the same page with a
full color promo for "Widow/Luxura: Blood Lust Alpha." UGH
-Augie
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) * (Email removed)
http://daniel.drew.edu/~adebliec/index.html
"Just how well does the subconscious hold its liquor?" -Duncan, "VR.5"
Markoff
Pat Block in Europe
Message 99 -
1996-09-09 at 04:22:03
Have Pat Block's stories ever been printed in Europe? (The database doesn't
seem to indicate that, but that could be out-of-date, or just missing.)
PIETER VAN CLEEF:
Is he "Barks enough?"
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End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #194
******************************************
seem to indicate that, but that could be out-of-date, or just missing.)
PIETER VAN CLEEF:
Is he "Barks enough?"
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #194
******************************************
Greg Wright
Donald a secondary character?
Message 100 -
1996-09-09 at 06:47:50
Hi All,
We recently had a Disney Store open just down the road (only the 3rd in the
country) and I eagerly went along hoping to pick up some Donald memorabilia
or maybe even some Scrooge. After much searching I was only able to find one
Donald T-shirt and a Scrooge clock shaped like a round bank vault door. I
must have looked lost because the Store Manager came over and asked me what
I thought of the place. When I lamented the lack of Duck items she said it
was because Donald "was only a secondary character"!
Can anyone point me in the direction of some facts and figures that I can
use to argue my case? Or is this the attitude of Disney Stores worldwide and
I'm doomed to living in just the one T-shirt.
Greg Wright
http://www.ows.com.au
"Enthusiasm is the greatest asset in the world. It beats money and power and
influence" - Henry Chester
We recently had a Disney Store open just down the road (only the 3rd in the
country) and I eagerly went along hoping to pick up some Donald memorabilia
or maybe even some Scrooge. After much searching I was only able to find one
Donald T-shirt and a Scrooge clock shaped like a round bank vault door. I
must have looked lost because the Store Manager came over and asked me what
I thought of the place. When I lamented the lack of Duck items she said it
was because Donald "was only a secondary character"!
Can anyone point me in the direction of some facts and figures that I can
use to argue my case? Or is this the attitude of Disney Stores worldwide and
I'm doomed to living in just the one T-shirt.
Greg Wright
http://www.ows.com.au
"Enthusiasm is the greatest asset in the world. It beats money and power and
influence" - Henry Chester
Frank Fabian
Page count
Message 101 -
1996-09-09 at 10:10:30
HARRY:
Thanks for the info on the page length on that story. It seems to me that
Germany is indeed missing a page. But we'll soon know, as info on this from
Egmont seems to be forthcoming (thanks, Stefan!)
Best regards, Frank
****************************************************************************
********
Wuerttembergische Landesbibliothek Frank Fabian
Konrad-Adenauer Str. 8 Tel.: 49-711-212 4383
Abt. Katalogisierung Periodika (KaP) Fax.: 49-711-212 4437
70173 Stuttgart mail:(Email removed)
****************************************************************************
********
Thanks for the info on the page length on that story. It seems to me that
Germany is indeed missing a page. But we'll soon know, as info on this from
Egmont seems to be forthcoming (thanks, Stefan!)
Best regards, Frank
****************************************************************************
********
Wuerttembergische Landesbibliothek Frank Fabian
Konrad-Adenauer Str. 8 Tel.: 49-711-212 4383
Abt. Katalogisierung Periodika (KaP) Fax.: 49-711-212 4437
70173 Stuttgart mail:(Email removed)
****************************************************************************
********
Jaki Ellenby
Der Donaldist
Message 102 -
1996-09-09 at 10:38:57
Arthur,
You asked recently how to subscribe to Der Donaldist. Just write to Johnny Grote
and send 28DEM for a four issues subscription to the following address:
Der Donaldist
Belvederestrasse 24
50933 Koln
Germany
Didier Ghez
You asked recently how to subscribe to Der Donaldist. Just write to Johnny Grote
and send 28DEM for a four issues subscription to the following address:
Der Donaldist
Belvederestrasse 24
50933 Koln
Germany
Didier Ghez
Ole R. Nielsen
big in Denmark
Message 103 -
1996-09-09 at 14:17:46
About the outrageously popular Disney comics in Europe: a recent article
in a Danish newspaper stated that the print runs on the weekly has dropped
below 100.000 copies a week. In the eighties they were closer to 150.000
and even longer ago over a quarter of a million - Denmark still having
5-6 million people.
A bit strange, and quite sad, development, since the quality has increased
greatly since, say 1990, when Don Rosa's first stories appeared.
Coincidentally this date also marks the inauguration of the first commercial
TV station in Denmark, and since satellite channels have flooded the ether,
thus introducing an American-like situation with breakfast TV and the like,
only 30 years later. The disturbing fact that children don't read as well
as they used to makes one jump to the conclusion that for entertainment
Power Rangers etc. have replaced the good old comic book.
Which has already been declared dead in the US, and certainly is getting
weeker here.
The best selling book is the Jumbo Books we hear, but what are the actual
figures? Byron?
-- Ole
in a Danish newspaper stated that the print runs on the weekly has dropped
below 100.000 copies a week. In the eighties they were closer to 150.000
and even longer ago over a quarter of a million - Denmark still having
5-6 million people.
A bit strange, and quite sad, development, since the quality has increased
greatly since, say 1990, when Don Rosa's first stories appeared.
Coincidentally this date also marks the inauguration of the first commercial
TV station in Denmark, and since satellite channels have flooded the ether,
thus introducing an American-like situation with breakfast TV and the like,
only 30 years later. The disturbing fact that children don't read as well
as they used to makes one jump to the conclusion that for entertainment
Power Rangers etc. have replaced the good old comic book.
Which has already been declared dead in the US, and certainly is getting
weeker here.
The best selling book is the Jumbo Books we hear, but what are the actual
figures? Byron?
-- Ole
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V96 #194
Message 104 -
1996-09-09 at 16:17:29
HARRY:
Oops... now that the Dutch are here, I wanted to stop using "Oberon" and try
to learn the current initials. That's hard to remember since they have no
meaning to me -- I don't know what they stand for. The last time someone
mentioned the intitials, I decided I'd try to remember them by their being
the same as one of the most popular gas stations in America... but I
promptly disremembered it as their new name BP (British Petroleum) rather
than their old name GP (Gulf). Okay, GP, GP, GP, GP, GP, GP.
"QV"? Where would I have gotten that??? I'm half wacky!
Oops... now that the Dutch are here, I wanted to stop using "Oberon" and try
to learn the current initials. That's hard to remember since they have no
meaning to me -- I don't know what they stand for. The last time someone
mentioned the intitials, I decided I'd try to remember them by their being
the same as one of the most popular gas stations in America... but I
promptly disremembered it as their new name BP (British Petroleum) rather
than their old name GP (Gulf). Okay, GP, GP, GP, GP, GP, GP.
"QV"? Where would I have gotten that??? I'm half wacky!
RHODE
Don Rosa is everywhere... relatively speaking
Message 105 -
1996-09-09 at 17:47:40
Hello all,
I had a non-Duck Don Rosa fest this weekend totally by accident.
At a going out of business sale, I picked up The Comics Journal #87 which
had a Rosa cover. It's a very amusing one of a bunch of Marvel-like heroes
beating up on each other with 3 Stooges-like moves.
Later, I was reading Star Spangled War #202 from DC in 1976 and the Italian
doctor being forced to work with the Nazis was named "Keno Rosa"! A
coincidence... I don't think so.
Mike Rhode
I had a non-Duck Don Rosa fest this weekend totally by accident.
At a going out of business sale, I picked up The Comics Journal #87 which
had a Rosa cover. It's a very amusing one of a bunch of Marvel-like heroes
beating up on each other with 3 Stooges-like moves.
Later, I was reading Star Spangled War #202 from DC in 1976 and the Italian
doctor being forced to work with the Nazis was named "Keno Rosa"! A
coincidence... I don't think so.
Mike Rhode